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Want to make a one sided main event a little more interesting?  Take an amount of money you would be comfortable losing on a bet.  Double it.  Deposit said money onto your favorite offshore bookie (don't forget to check it's rating on SportsBookReview.com!).  Find the MMA lines.  Click the checkmark by "Georges St-Pierre".  Confirm your bet.  Start ingesting alcohol.

Note: The percentage next to the best available line is the breakeven rate for the bet.  It's how often the fight would have to win the fight for the best to be profitable.  For example, the best line on Georges St-Pierre is -625, which yields an 86% break even rate.  If Georges were to fight Dan Hardy 100 times, he would have to win at least 87 of those fights for your bet to be profitable in the long run.

Georges St-Pierre

#1 Welterweight
UFC WW Champ



vs.

Dan Hardy

#6 Welterweight

-625 (BODOG) / 86% Best Line +550 (5DIMES/BOOK) / 15%
28 Age 27
5'10" Height 6'0"
19 - 2 - 0 Record 23 - 6 - 0, 1 NC
8 / 5 TKO / SUB 11 / 4
Jackson's / Zahabi MMA Camp Team Rough House
W - Alves (UD)
W - Penn (TKO)
W - Fitch (UD)
Last Three W - Swick (UD)
W - Davis (SD)
W - Markham (KO)

The message has reverberated through the echo chamber for the past month: Dan Hardy has no shot when he steps in the cage against Georges St-Pierre.  I'm not going to tell you any differently.  

I like what I've seen and heard from Hardy's camp.  If he's prepared to deal with St-Pierre's wrestling without his mind being consumed with the idea of being taken down, he's put himself in a great mindset entering the fight.  He looks to be in awesome physical shape and he seems genuinely confident he can win the fight on Saturday.

I just don't see how he can overcome St-Pierre on Saturday night.  Georges gets ball-washed all over the place with good reason; the guys is a physical specimen with a work ethic that puts him in the same breath as Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods.  The man doesn't want to just be the best.  He wants to be the best ever.

While Hardy can't worry about St-Pierre's takedowns during the fight, anyone who bets on him has to.  I have no clue how Georges St-Pierre developed his wrestling ability.  Genetic predisposition?  A conscious effort to make it the focus of his game?  Dumb luck?

Whatever the case may be, St-Pierre's wrestling is an absolute game changer, and there's no reason to believe Hardy can do anything to prevent it.  Jon Fitch - similar in size to Hardy with an established wrestling pedigree - had no answers.  Thiago Alves (with Mo Lawal's guarantee) had no answers.  Even Hardy himself has publicly accepted the fact that he'll spend the majority of this fight on his back.

Most people don't like laying a lot of chalk, but if you've got the balls to sweat twenty five minutes of wrestling, I think you can find some slim value on GSP at -625.  Hardy stands next to no chance of taking a decision and won't submit Georges.  Outside of the Serra Swan, St-Pierre hasn't found himself in any danger on his feet.  Hardy's going to have to land something coming off a clinch or out of a scramble when St-Pierre might not have his complete composure.  Other than that, this fights looks academic.

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Frank Mir

#3 Heavyweight
Former UFC HW Champ



vs.

Shane Carwin

#6 Heavyweight

-148 (BOOK) / 60% Best Line +140 (BODOG) / 42%
30 Age 35
6'3" Height 6'3"
13 - 4 - 0 Record 11 - 0 - 0
2 / 8 TKO / SUB 6 / 5
Team Sityodtong Camp Jackson's Submission Fighting
W - Kongo (SUB)
L - Lesnar (TKO)
W - Nogueira (TKO)
Last Three W - Gonzaga (KO)
W - Wain (TKO)
W - Wellisch (KO)

This is a really fun fight to break down as their styles and attributes complement each other well.  Mir, as much as it pains me to say it, is the more technical fighter standing, but Carwin makes up for it in power.  Carwin, we can assume, is a much better wrestler, but Mir is dangerous off his back.  Mir brings more UFC experience; Carwin lacks experience because he's crushed all eleven of his opponents.

One issue I've had with Frank's standup is that he's been prone to standing very stiff, straight legged, and flat footed.  It's very apparent in his win over Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira.  His stance looked to improve somewhat in the second Lesnar fight and his last fight with Cheick Kongo, but not much of either contest was spent vertically, so I can't say for sure how much ground he's gained. 

Frank's inviting Shane Carwin to take him down if he moves and throws strikes stiff and flat footed.  There's really nothing more to add to that.  You're not going to be able to sprawl effectively standing on your heels.  Watch Frank's feet from the opening bell, and you'll have a good gauge on how the wrestling will go during the fight.

The big flaw I see from Carwin is his striking defense.  He has a tendency to charge forward with his punches and leaves his head wide open.  In each of his UFC fights (Gonzaga, Wain, and Wellisch), he gets tagged pretty good at some point.  There's a silver lining in that he's demonstrated a strong chin, but it's exploitable if Mir can avoid getting clipped by Shane's clubs.

Pandora's Box awaits us if this fight hits the floor.  I haven't seen Carwin grapple (and if tape exists, it's certainly not against someone at Frank Mir's level), so what he brings to the table as far as top control will be fresh to most everyone watching the bout.

We've seen Mir fight a dominating wrestler, and it's not pretty.  Thankfully for Mir backers, he recognizes that the issues he had with Lesnar had as much to do with a gap in technique as it did with Lesnar's size and strength.  Frank made no discernible effort to move his hips and allowed himself to be flattened on the mat.  He should be fine if he's corrected this mistake, but if Carwin can keep Frank immobilized like Lesnar, it's going to be a long night for Mir.

Of course, an analysis involving a fighter with a past history of gassing, another with no history of going past the two minute mark, and the two being involved in a five rounder wouldn't be complete without some sort of mention about cardio.  This fight shouldn't go past the second round.  I'll leave it at that.

Frank looks like the favorite in this fight, but I don't think it's as wide as this line.  Shane's power is such a huge equalizer in this fight, and his wrestling presents a big roadblock for Mir to work a submission.  I like a small half-unit to unit play on Carwin at +140.

Jon Fitch

#2 Welterweight



vs.

Ben Saunders

Unranked

-350 (BOOK) / 78% Best Line +310 (5DIMES) / 24%
32 Age 26
6'1" Height 6'3"
21 - 3 - 0, 1 NC Record 11 - 1 - 2
4 / 5 TKO / SUB 4 / 3
American Kickboxing Academy Camp American Top Team
W - Pierce (UD)
W - Thiago (UD)
W - Gono (UD)
Last Three W - Davis (KO)
L - Swick (TKO)
W - Wolff (TKO)

The New Jersey Athletic Commission pulled a Northern Iowa and busted everyone's bracket this weekend.  Thiago Alves might have something in his head, Jake Ellenberger loses a fight, and I have to scramble some words together into an omelet for you.

I took Fitch at -350 when I saw the line.  I'm fairly happy with it, but without much time to rewatch tape and having to beat the market (I expect this to settle at -500 Fitch), my analysis may be hasty.  Saunders had trouble staying off his back in the Swick fight, which gave me reason to hit Fitch.  That said, Saunders height and length pose an interesting problem for Fitch, and taking the fight on a day's notice may exacerbate those problems without opponent specific training.

Still, I think Fitch at -350 is still at a place where you can take him comfortably.  Saunders' destruction of Marcus Davis was impressive, but Davis is much shorter than and does not have the intimidating wrestling of Fitch.

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you can not consistently bet in the -600 + lines and continue to win money. not very many times is somebody over a 90% favor in a fight. and betting on a 5% difference in what you perceive to be the chances of gsp winning the fight, and what the breakeven % is, will not make you money either.

by chadington on Mar 26, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t recommend laying heavy chalk often. There are plenty of examples where it’s appropriate.

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by Mike Fagan on Mar 26, 2010 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You cannot reasonably say that ANYONE in MMA is more than a 90% favorite in a fight. especially at this level, escpecially with GSP’s small margin of error.

Even if you were to say GSP is a 100% favorite, with a breakeven of 86% that’s only 14% difference in the sports books vs an intelligent persons assumption of the fight. There are better % differences even on this card. coupled with the fact that its a -625 fight to begin with.

Im sorry, but gambling like that is wreckless.

by chadington on Mar 27, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Mir is going to get GnP out like he did in the Brock fight. That’s my favorite play on the card.

Betting -600 is crazy to me. You’d have to lay A TON of chalk just to make a decent payday Risking $600 to make $100 does not compute for me. I think Hardy has better striking and power than Serra. It’s not likely but but a fluke KO is more than enough for me to stay away from that line.

by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 26, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

16.67% return on investment is very good in other financial investments like mutual funds and stocks. I guess it all depends on how you look at things.

by DjCopasetic_519 on Mar 26, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose if you look at it like that.

You rarely lose 100% of what you risk though in those investments.

by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 26, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true. I would like to see a % of how often in MMA a fighter with a -600+ has lost. I think GSP, BJ and Anderson are near locks and am playing numerous parlays with them

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by keyboardwarrior on Mar 26, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ring rust for Carwin

despite training for Lessnar and what not, Carwin hasn’t fought in over a year. This is often a huge and much overlooked factor in MMA.

2 units on Mir please.

by Ben Lebovitz on Mar 26, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Huh

tiger woods has a work ethic?

I know shit about gold, but what’s he gotta work on?

"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."

by At Least On Paper on Mar 26, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

…golfing?

It’s not something you’re just naturally good at.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 26, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think Golfing’s actually one of the toughest sports out there to perfect.

by TLow on Mar 26, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, anyone who’s played a round of golf would know that the above is a pretty ridiculous statement.

by LiuLang on Mar 26, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Press confrences.

Keep firing Assholes!

Blackout is always right

by Ubernoober on Mar 26, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've spoken to guys who watched Carwin fights live

and some guys who fought him in regionals. Apparently he has brutally powerful takedowns, but smaller guys with good scrambles were able to get back to their feet. That’s about all they remember of the fight because suddenly everything went black. My favorite quote: “I got paid pretty well for only needing to fight for a minute.”

Mir is not a smaller guy, nor does he have a great scramble. He’s a legit 265 pounder who is a little too comfortable in his ground offense to remember position before submission. He’s almost like a Sambo or Luta Livre practitioner in that sense. If Carwin dumps him and gets into half guard, it’s going to be a short night. If Mir stays standing, his poor head movement is going to get him clipped by a short off balance power punch that’s enough to end it. Mir’s conditioning is proven to be so-so and I expect the same from Carwin. If Mir hopes to outbox him to a decision there will be a gasfest, where power becomes much more important than abandoned technique. And if I can put together these ideas, I can assure you that Greg Jackson has some much better and more specific plans for victory.

I’m with you on this, Fagan. Carwin just has a lot of ways to win for being the dog. I like a small play on him for this.

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by pdl on Mar 26, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice breakdown.

Sometimes it pays to be the smaller guy like you said. I think the extra muscle Frank put on might actually hurt him here – he’ll have less mobility on the ground and may even gas quicker. I got a big play on Carwin and a Carwin/Camoes parlay that pay 5 – 1.

by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 26, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you sir, but I have to warn you that Morango is not a good bet here.

He looked pretty mediocre against Uno. Got swept when he was on top and then couldn’t get out from under him the rest of the round, each round. Pellegrino has solid control, good submission awareness, and better striking. The line is a little wider than it should be thanks to the hometown special and nobody knowing who the hell Morango is so its good for a straight bet, but I wouldn’t have worked it into a parlay personally. Anybody know what Fitch-Carwin-GSP would pay out?

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by pdl on Mar 26, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the lines you’re getting but at the lines listed above it would be about 2.58-1.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/parlay-calculator/

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Mar 26, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the link

at 2.58-2.81 (depending on who’s odds) I think that’s a great parlay. Fitch and GSP are damn near unstoppable and both drew lesser opponents. Like I said above, Carwin has lots of ways to win. Mir’s (recent) wins are outboxing Nog, submitting Kongo, and a kneebar on Lesnar after he was was saved by a questionable standup… and still nearly got TKO’d by the overanxious prospect in his second fight. Carwin, for all the questions we have about him, has a lot of answers to Mir’s game and is still the biggest risk in this parlay. Now, should I risk my beer money on this?

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by pdl on Mar 26, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woah woah woah

Beer money? We do not risk the beer money.

We risk the rent or the student loan payment. We do not risk the beer money.

by woomikee on Mar 26, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It was going to be rent money already

I’m not sure if I’m confident enough to put beer money on top of it. I’ll need something to drink if I can’t make rent.

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by pdl on Mar 26, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not remove most of the risk and parlay GSP and Fitch. Make $50 on every $100 risked.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Mar 26, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because there's no fun in that, and much less money to be made.

Don’t make me get the Night Man, sir. I’ll pay the troll toll, then you gonna get it. I don’t care if you’re a master of karate and friendship to everyone.

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by pdl on Mar 26, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, it’s just a small play I have on the parlay. You’re absolutely right though, I actually don’t expect to win that bet. That’s why it’s gambling though right? I read in a another write up that Camoes held his own for 27 minutes with Anderson Silva in a Vale Tudo tournament before finally succumbing to exhaustion. I don’t how much of that his is true but it sure is interesting.

Wasn’t the Uno/Camoes fight a draw? I think Camoes even lost a point due to illegal upkick.

by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 26, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a majority draw if I recall correctly

but there’s a reason it was the only fight of 106 that didn’t make the air. I had pretty decent seats and was very unimpressed. Morango is a beast in the gym, not so much in the cage.

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by pdl on Mar 26, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Fitch does settle at -500

I’d be inclined to put money on Saunders.

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by Llewdor on Mar 26, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

I love Carwin, and I just kinda like Frank Mir, but this is Mir’s fight to lose.

- Carwin hasn’t fought in over a year.
- Carwin hasn’t fought anybody approaching Mir’s level, not to mention Mir is better than ever.
- Carwin’s main strength is striking and Mir is better at it as far as precision and movement. His boxing was really nice against Kongo and he’s only been improving. He out boxed Nog too.

I think Mir’s new found muscle and fanatical devotion to winning makes up for any wrestling advantage Carwin has. He submitted Lesnar in a flash and he’d do the same to Carwin.

The main thing is Mir plans out his fights like a master. He has a solid game plan and knows how to beat guys.

Frank will take it to round 2 to prove a point, drop Carwin and submit him. It sucks, because I love carwin, but you just don’t stay undefeated in MMA unless you’re Fedor.

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by At Least On Paper on Mar 26, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I think if Mir starts getting to Carwin standing up Carwin will take him down the same way Lesnar did. I don’t think he has the length to pull off the same hold Lesnar was able to but I do think he knows what he needs to do to keep in a low risk position to avoid submissions and do damage.

by YoungGun on Mar 26, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your lines with the exception of of Pierre/Hardy — I’d be more interested in a small bet on Hardy’s puncher’s chance, though most inclined not to bet at all on the fight. Pierre will win, but he just costs too much.

I think Mir is the rightful favorite, but the fight is closer to a pick-em. Fitch will beat Saunders, as you believe.

by superflat on Mar 26, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Gambling noob

Ok, I’ve been thinking about putting a little money down on fights for awhile, but not sure where to start. Where’s the best place to bet?

by Mocha Shaka Khan on Mar 26, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

U.S. address or international?

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Mar 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately probably bodog. The U.S. market really gets screwed. 5dimes and Pinnacle are awesome MMA books but its so hard to get money in and out as a U.S. citizen.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Mar 26, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

5dimes and Bookmaker are good. Money on all 3 is better.

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by Mike Fagan on Mar 26, 2010 5:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like Matchbook a lot. It is a betting exchange. Very low vig.

by jebmak on Mar 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think GSP is a pretty good bet at -625. Honestly I could see Hardy impressing us, but I don’t see his way to victory. People underestimate the technical aspects of his game, but the UFC’s trying to emphasise him as being some incredibly heavy-handed knockout artist. He’s not, not even close.

Anything could happen, but I think a 2nd or 3rd RNC by GSP is most likely. Hardy will get taken down. I don’t question his heart, but I think he’ll keep trying to get up and give his back at some point for the choke.

I like Carwin at +140. I think people are making a mistake here in that they grossly overestimated Kongo’s chances to win, which made Mir’s win look more impressive. I think Shane Carwin will take him with a hard right.

by TLow on Mar 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

::::

I doin a hardy carwin and saunders parlay. =)

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by JRO623 on Mar 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You’d be better off donating that money to charity

by nastyem on Mar 26, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

kiss that bet goodbye...

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by B Money on Mar 26, 2010 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

whats the pay out on that?

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by Rayce. on Mar 26, 2010 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like Carwin as well

He’s a bit stiff on his feet, but he took two power shots from GG and managed to rally, and for the power that Frank may have standing, I don’t think he’s as quick as Shane.

by woomikee on Mar 26, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Really looking forward to Mir Carwin but dont think I can pull the trigger on either guy. I’m not worried about ring rust for Carwin but the problem is none of us know how much his boxing has improved. I dont think the Shane Carwin from a year ago has a great chance against Frank’s more technical striking.
I do like Riddle, Pelligrino, and Palhares. Throw in GSP with each of them for 3 different 2-team parlays.

by naturalist on Mar 26, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Im thinkin a round robin with GSP-Pellegrino- Miller- Fitch, Matt Brown might be the underdog of the night, first time Almeida fights at WW, he had problems finishing Cote, and Brown is been surprising me every fight

by kchav21 on Mar 26, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

You're probably better off picking a fight you really like

then tagging on GSP as a parlay. You’re just not making money at +650.

by Trysdor on Mar 26, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

If I can get GSP at +650 I am selling the car and betting the cash.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Mar 26, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

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