DREAM Officials Talking About Alistair Overeem vs Josh Barnett With the Winner Promised Fedor Emelianenko
by Nate Wilcox on Mar 23, 2010 9:07 PM EDT
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This little nugget has gotten much less attention than it merits, via MMA Fighting's account of Dream Event Producer Keiichi Sasahara's post event press conference after DREAM.13:
Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem fights for Dream more often than he fights for Strikeforce. Sasahara said he hopes to see Overeem fight Josh Barnett, and that the winner of that fight would take on Fedor Emelianenko.
"Of course, belts will be involved so you can expect this year to be about Strikeforce vs. Dream and also titles on the line," Sasahara said. "Watching tonight's fights, I think we have a taste of what this year will be like."
Naturally American fans who are truly sick and tired of waiting for Strikeforce champ Alistair Overeem defend his belt, Fedor Emelianenko to work out his contractual issues, and just plain sick and tired of Josh Barnett will not be excited about any of these match-ups. Josh Gross's commentary on DREAM.13 points out another negative to a Barnett vs Overeem match:
Dream must consider implementing meaningful drug-testing, otherwise it will deservedly earn the reputation as a haven for P.E.D. users like heavyweight Josh Barnett. "The problem of the Japanese promoter is that athletic commissions don't exist," Dream executive Sotaro Shinoda told SI.com last week. That's not a responsible position which stands up to the realities of sport.
Michael David Smith piled on, in his brutal review of Barnett's fiasco of a fight against Mighty Mo at DREAM.13:
The win improves Barnett to 25-5, but it does nothing to advance his MMA career. The bottom line is that Barnett has the talent to be a great fighter, but he's stuck in Japan fighting mediocre opponents because he refuses to follow American rules against performance-enhancing drugs. What a shame.
If DREAM books a fight between Overeem -- who is suspected by many of using PEDs -- and Barnett -- who has failed more steroid tests than anyone in MMA history -- this criticism of DREAM as a haven for PED abusers will only grow louder.
Not that that matters to Japanese fans, DREAM's management, or honestly me. I'd love to see Barnett vs Overeem with the winner to get Fedor. Provided that Overeem defends his Strikeforce belt against Brett Rogers first and that the final fight takes place in the States and everyone passes their drug tests.
I won't be holding my breath.
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barnett looked like complete shit
if he can take overeem down overeems in trouble if it stays standing though i dont see overreem standing a chance
this is really a fight between the 2 most overrated hws in hthe world in my opinion im not a big fan of either fighter
Barnett had waaay too much trouble taking down
a fat Mighty Mo for me to think he could get Overeem down easily.
Well..
Most people forget that Overeem is a really accomplished grappler. Honestly, if Barnett gets him down it won’t be that cut and dry, as Overeem’s submission ability has always been great, people just forget that recently because of his K-1 rampage.
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5-4 isn’t a rampage.
"an excellent example of why most MMA "journalism" is a joke. Pseudonyms like "toxic" and shitty writing like that dopey article"--- Joe Rogan.
That's like saying Couture sucks
because you looked up his record on Fight Finder. Aerts, Hari, Teixeira, and Bojanski is a murderers row. None of his wins were lucky either, he’s just a really fucking good athlete in combat sports.
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couture got subbed by no names back in rings, what’s coutures biggest win? gonzaga? Silvia? probably a prime randleman or that time he beat Liddell.
marketing genius.
by kanodogg on Mar 23, 2010 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Give Couture some credit
He beat Sylvia when Sylvia was the champ and no one gave Randy a shot in hell.
He beat Gonzaga after Gonzaga KOed Cro Cop and people thought he’d do the same to Randy.
He beat Chuck when Chuck was the best LHW in the UFC and everyone thought he’d kill Randy.
He spanked Tito (literally) when Tito held the belt and everyone listed him as one of the top LHW in the world.
And he was able to hang in there and compete with the BROCKLESNAR for a round and a half, which in hindsight is a pretty friggin’ big accomplishment.
The man has done enough to earn his accolades.
fair enough, he’s a great fighter, just not as great as he is made out to be. respect him a ton though
by kanodogg on Mar 23, 2010 7:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He’s a good athlete. I’m not trying to deny it. He clearly belongs in K-1. But a guy who is 5-4 overall and 3-2 isn’t on a rampage, not if that word is to mean anything. Win, lose, win win lose is almost the anti-rampage, especially when your last fight had Overeem getting absolutely annihilated in revenge for his most impressive win.
"an excellent example of why most MMA "journalism" is a joke. Pseudonyms like "toxic" and shitty writing like that dopey article"--- Joe Rogan.
Breaking onto an elite scene and making it deep into the biggest tournament
… Seriously, I don’t think arguing semantics has any real value here.
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I think it does. A rampage is a winning streak. Alistair is not on a winning streak. Ergo, rampage ain’t the right word, and I don’t get why people are acting like I’m calling him a can instead of just checking some hyperbole. I didn’t say the dude sucked, just that he wasn’t on a rampage.
"an excellent example of why most MMA "journalism" is a joke. Pseudonyms like "toxic" and shitty writing like that dopey article"--- Joe Rogan.
He's 3-2 since his K-1 return
Made it to the semi-finals of his first ever K-1 World Grand Prix against the very best fighters in the world. That is not by any means a small feat.
His losses were to Badr Hari, easily the #2 kickboxer in the world behind Schilt and to Remy Bonjasky. Badr’s record in the same amount of time (end of Dec. 08 – now) is 6-2 and Remy’s is 3-1. These are guys who do kickboxing as a career and are elite. If he had losses to lesser opponents, sure, you could say he wasn’t great…
This is like entering the olympics on a whim and leaving with a bronze medal.
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by Dave Walsh on Mar 23, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Overeem is a really accomplished grappler
If you keep this up you’ll end up beating your head bloody into your keyboard. People simply refuse to believe this.
by Chris Barton on Mar 23, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well hell
He only has 19 submission victories.
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a few of those victories are bupkis
Guillotine on Thompson
Same on Sylvester
Buentello “tapping” to knees to the gut
He’s clearly not terrible at grappling, and did a fair amount as an amateur earlier in his life, but “accomplished” is a stretch.
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by Cory Braiterman on Mar 23, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Overeem is too tall and lengthy for Barnett to get inside for a TD
and if he does, he has fractions of a second to get it before he’s kneed into a new dimension which contains little more than fragments of Adamantium blown off of Fujita’s skull, Paul Buentello’s sternum, and the tortured soul of Ewerton Teixeira.
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Yes, brutal knees. Like a Zaromskis kick highlight but with knees.
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All I want is for Rogers to ruin somebodys plans.
Kimbo wants to take your caterpiller and do bad things to it.
Yes yes yes
I want this to happen
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no way, overeem is a far more technical striker, and striking is rogers’ game
by kanodogg on Mar 23, 2010 7:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Same can be said went he fought Arlovksi. Overeem vs Rogers is a toss up imo. Rogers’ power is something every HW should respect.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
Its not like Overeem’s knee is made of baby wipes.
I want your ugly I want your disease I want your everything As long as it’s free I want your love Love-love-love I want your love I want your drama The touch of your hand I want you leather studded kiss in the scene And want your love Love-love-love I want your love You know that I want youAnd you know that I need youI want a bad,your bad romance I want your loving And I want your revenge You and me could write a bad romance I want your loving All your love is revenge You and me could write a bad romance
I don’t see how Fedor fighting the winner of that fight in japan meshes with any of the songs that m1 has been singing recently.
by Phildo on Mar 23, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I know you guys have to report on this stuff but...
yawn. Wake me up when Fedor is walking to the ring, until then i dont care.
"Will Rogers never met Barry Switzer."
by Broncho1673 on Mar 23, 2010 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Getting two fights completed between the three of them is going to take three years, minimum.
by ChiCubs23 on Mar 23, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
why do people care about steroid use?
I think its something like at least 13 ufc champs/tournament champs have pissed hot. How many do you figure haven’t been caught that take them regularly?
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 23, 2010 5:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
are you serious? or trying to push buttons?
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
I don’t get too upset over anyone getting caught using and I think PED use should be allowed.
That said, if its illegal than pissing hot should carry major consequences as defined by the league/AC. (Just don’t ask me to care about it)
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Mar 23, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’th think PED use should be legal in contact sports. Juiced up Ubermonsters could kill people.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
did silvia kill anyone? bonnar?barrnett?leben? sherk? kimo? ken shamrock? royce gracie? ..... well you get it.
I don’t care if its illegal. NEITHER do the users.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 23, 2010 6:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no i am not trying to.
I don’t really care one way or the other if some takes them. I am a realist. Look what happened to the Olympians once blood testing started. Remember all the track people that had to give medals back. If they start that in other sports I will guarantee a similar result.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 23, 2010 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My point is i dont care if
Ubereem and barrnett inject roids in the ring/cage. I would love to see either of them fight Fedor. Roids can’t teach you to fight. that takes hard work and I think both have put in the work to fight the Emperor after Werdum.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 23, 2010 5:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
That's why they're called performance ENHANCING drugs
If you’re a capable fighter, using steroids can give you an unfair advantage such as more strength or muscle mass.
You derail your own argument by saying “look at the Olympic athletes who had to give medals back”. Would they have won those medals if they hadn’t been using them?
If you want to make the argument that ALL athletes should be on PEDs, well, I can’t argue against that kind of nonsense. There are probably people who think Fedor’s next opponent should be a kodiak bear. I don’t have any way of explaining to them why their idea is inherently stupid if we’re not even starting the conversation in the same reality.
Get rid of the ramp!
um we all know what happens when fedor fights bears its been documented.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cws7igZEeBA&feature=youtube_gdata
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 23, 2010 6:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Would love to here your explanation for why creatine is a legal supplement and anabolic steroids are not.
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My guess would be because AAS are about 100x as effective as creatine. But you didn’t ask me…
IMO when they ban stuff (steroids, phenphen) its because it actually works. And if you are gonna buy a “drug” that actually works the FDA (acting on behalf of the pharmaceutical lobby) wants you to have a prescription, so they can control who gets it.
/rant
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Mar 23, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Sir, are you trying to tell me anabolic steroids aren’t inherently evil? Preposterous!
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by Mike Fagan on Mar 24, 2010 9:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As a fan I don’t want to see steroid users. PED testing needs to be increased and done in a more effective manner. I will never tune in to watch fighters like Barnett and James Toney.
So I take it you won’t watch Vitor Belfort, Sean Sherk, Kirill Sidelnikov, Stephan Bonnar, Hermes Franca, Tim Sylvia, Ricco Rodriguez, Chris Leben, Kit Cope, Kevin Randleman, Phil Baroni, Thiago Alves, Antonio Silva or Royce Gracie fight?
Alvez didn't use PEDs
unless you count diuretics for helping a weight cut. If it’s no banned substances at all, then you gotta throw Diego on there as well. You did forget Marquardt though, he’s usually the top of my list. The other major ones are Cole Province and Jeff Monson. And that’s only publicly. People like this guy would shit bricks if they knew how many guys used but just didn’t get caught or tested at the time.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I actually toyed with the idea of writing “pdl please insert your list here”, but I was worried you would miss it and then there would be no reply.
Haha, it's nice to be known for some shtick at least.
I love pointing out how many guys have been busted to insane fans. If they want to miss quality fights because of what happened in the past then fine by me. I’ll still look forward to Vitor vs. Nate and know it’s gonna be a sick fight. In case you ever need a good reference list, try this one out: http://www.cagepotato.com/mma-steroid-busts-definitive-timeline
MMAfan: It’s not just the jacked guys either. Barnett and Monson both use and don’t look anything like Kongo, who has neither tested positive nor admitted to use. In fact, look at a lot of the guys who got busted. Sidelnikov, Sylvia, Franca, and Leben do not look like bodybuilders. I’ll tell you right now that anything you think you know about ‘roids in MMA or athletics in general is horse shit that you’ve convinced yourself of based on nothing.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
It’s amazing how many times I have to read that “such and such a fighter doesn’t use because they test in the UFC” or in “US”. Never mind that the NSAC doesn’t test every fighter at an event, or that they only test immediately following the fight so that anyone who knows anything can properly cycle whatever they’re using, or that they rarely if ever do random testing leading up to a fight, even with fighters that have failed previous tests (Karo Parysian and Sean Sherk have never been randomly tested leading up to an event).
i dont even think its for anything but to heal up so they can train more.
i
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
Well in his defense absolutely nobody wants to see Kiril Sidelnikov.
I want your ugly I want your disease I want your everything As long as it’s free I want your love Love-love-love I want your love I want your drama The touch of your hand I want you leather studded kiss in the scene And want your love Love-love-love I want your love You know that I want youAnd you know that I need youI want a bad,your bad romance I want your loving And I want your revenge You and me could write a bad romance I want your loving All your love is revenge You and me could write a bad romance
start the rumormill
Does this help point to the demise of Strikeforce and Fedor to the UFC?
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Strikeforce gets hurt in the end
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Spinach, huh?
Is that the new word for it nowadays? Back in my day it was called “Gear.”
I think it’s obvious why Overeem and Barnett want to stay in Japan, but they have a bigger fan base there as well. As does Fedor. This translates into bigger pay days. I’m surprised Overeem even acts like he wants to fight in the states considering the money he makes in K-1 and the occasional can they feed him in Dream.
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
If Overeem wanted to fight in the states, he would have by now. It’s all about a person’s actions, not their words. Same with Barnett: he keeps missing his appeals or whatever for the PEDs he took. If he really was serious, he’d have been at the meetings fighting it every step of the way. The way I see it, Overeem and Barnett’s words are for shit, since their actions say otherwise.
I don't want to lick any butt. - GSP
Devil's advocate:
Strikeforce events have not exactly been raining down from the heavens lately. Overeem has been busy kneeing people in the face in K-1, or breaking his hands on bouncers’ faces.
Get rid of the ramp!
One of those guys failed a drug test and the other didn’t. Alastiar won his Strikeforce belt in the states and presumably was tested then and was clean.
by Chris Barton on Mar 23, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that either of these gentlemen would want to fight in a testing enviroment ever again.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
They make more money overseas, they can do whatever they want, and the Japanese fans don’t give a shit about PEDs. So it’s all win for them. Makes sense I guess. I hope they don’t expect history to reward them with any sort of cemented MMA legacy.
I don't want to lick any butt. - GSP
Provided that Overeem defends his Strikeforce belt against Brett Rogers first and that the final fight takes place in the States and everyone passes their drug tests.
I won’t be holding my breath.
I think yopu would die trying…
If it doesn't matter to you
then why the insistence that the fight should take place somewhere with drug testing?
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
thats a good point
What’s your reason Nate?
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 23, 2010 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just want the fight to happen in the US
because I don’t like watching fights at 6am
and fights in the U.S. require drug testing.
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by Nate Wilcox on Mar 23, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
no
that’s not what i was doing.
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by Nate Wilcox on Mar 23, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
ROGERS KO'S OVEREEM
so no need for Overeem / Barnett to be a qualifier match.
Rogers will defend the belt vs Fedor…..and WIN!!! : )
now who's just writing to fill the page?
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 23, 2010 6:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I GUARANTEE
Rogers beats Overeem
and I really feel that Rogers can dominate certain areas and beat Fedor
Fedor v Rogers 1 was a good fight, Rogers looked very good.
He is a TOP 10 HW on his way to TOP 5!
I'm glad SF is giving him this fight.
He seems like the only loyal HW they have under contract.
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
Why are you so confident that Rogers beats Overeem? Overeem is as good or better in most of Roger’s strengths. Those being his ridiculous clinch, punches, knees and size. He’s a more technical striker overall. Also Overeem is the better, more experienced grappler.
Rogers has a bit faster hands, jab and probably has a better chin but AO can control distance fairly well and clinch up. Rogers is a great fighter, but Alistair is an awful matchup for him.
by Super Dingus on Mar 23, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Co sign. I’d say overeems hand speed is on par with rogers. I’m excited for this fight!!
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by Thats It For you! on Mar 23, 2010 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mighty Mo almost KO’s Barnett for pete sake. The way I see it going down is Overeem blows up Barnett. Bqarnett drops to #30 on every ones top 10 list. Then Overeem vs Fedor goes down at Dynamite. I am predicting that Dynamite this year is a co-promo between K1, Dream, Strike Force and possibly SRC or what ever they call them selves. We may be getting close to Dynamite being like the Pride of old.
that’s amazing if barnett can be ranked #30 on a top 10 list
by kanodogg on Mar 23, 2010 7:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
"Not that that matters to Japanese fans, DREAM's management, or honestly me"
Kid Nate doesn’t care about steroid use.
This is my surprised face.
This would be a baller matchup
with the potention that either Barnett’s face gets punched in and oozes out rivers of roids, or Megareem’s arm gets ripped off and it’s revealed he’s a cybernetic organism
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
*potential
/cocktails after diner
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Mar 23, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
At a diner.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
damn you
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Mar 24, 2010 12:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Almost without exception I find myself not only disagreeing with you, but finding your tone childish.
Me?
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Mar 23, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Or is it Kid Nate's fault, per usual?
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Mar 23, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This sounds like fantastic news!
And that’s why none of it will ever happen.
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With the track record these 3 guys have what would be the odds on the second fight actually coming together? +2500?
by ufc4 on Mar 23, 2010 8:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’d like to see Overeem vs Barnett just because Overeem has been fighting cans lately, and it would be nice to see him fight a quality Heavyweight. I would have to go with Overeem if they do fight because he has the size, strength, and good striking. I think that Barnett would have a hard time taking Overeem down, and might not be able to take him down at all.
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