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UFC on Versus Post-Fight Analysis: Impressive Finishes Deliver Wow Factor

Jon Jones lands a vicious elbow to Brandon Vera's face in the first round of action at UFC on Versus I from Broomfield, Colorado. Photo by UFC.com

For many fans, the UFC's debut on Versus went as expected. The ferocious and powerful Jon Jones, a fighter who once shared a wrestling room turned proving ground at Iowa Central Community College with another familiar name in Cain Velasquez, took down the fading Brandon Vera in the early moments of their epic tilt on Sunday night and put the pressure solely on Vera to prove his words had meaning.

During the lead-in to the event, Vera had stated that we would no longer see a hesitant fighter, but a fighter who would go for the kill at all costs. While it was apparent Vera's leg kicks were kept under control due to the dangers of Jones' wrestling ability, Vera's guard proved to be highly active and threatening to Jones. Unfortunately for Vera, Jones' strength allowed him to keep his arms stretched out and Vera's back down without ever being in enormous danger. As a result, Jones landed one of the most destructive elbows from the guard that we've seen in the history of the sport. Three broken facial bones later, Jon Jones proved that his potential isn't being overstated.

Jones' future will become increasingly more challenging as he'll likely be given some higher profile bouts within the top ten of the division. He'll be given the chance to sink or swim at the top, and by all indications -- he'll swim happily into title contention if he can continue improving.

Vera, on the other hand, is sitting in some very murky water when it comes to his future. The 32-year-old Filipino American has some limited time to make the comeback that he's been hoping to bring to his fans inside the Octagon, and his performances as of late have sunk him into a gatekeeper role for the upper-echelon of the division. Can he bring himself out of that role and provide challenges to the top guys in the division once again? Don't count me in on that bandwagon.

Jones wasn't the only fighter trying to prove he belonged in the upper tier of fighters in his division. Junior Dos Santos was also in a battle to prove that he should join fighters like Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin, Frank Mir, and Cain Velasquez in discussions regarding the best heavyweights in the UFC. A weak leg kick by Gabriel Gonzaga and a perfectly timed counter left was all that was needed for Dos Santos to impressively defeat a challenger that many fans felt was on the outside looking in. Unfortunately for Gonzaga, those fans picked the wrong pony.

Dos Santos' speed in his delivery was a point his camp and himself made before the fight, but Gonzaga's striking should probably be scrutinized here. The UFC likes to make us believe Gonzaga is a world class striker because he knocked out Mirko "CroCop" Filipovic with his own patented head kick, but the reality is that Gonzaga has shown poor defense and susceptibility to counters in the past.

Gonzaga could benefit from some trips to Holland in my opinion as he has the powerful kicks and skill to build up a base in kickboxing that would benefit him greatly. The training would also give him some speed and get him acclimated to seeing quick hands from opponents. Some would also make the claim that the small Team Link in Ludlow, Massachusetts may also be something he should leave behind for a more challenging and diverse camp like Xtreme Couture or American Top Team.

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The second major heavyweight tilt wasn't that intriguing to me from the beginning, and personally -- I didn't even think Paul Buentello would last one round with Cheick Kongo's length and power. Instead of a toe-to-toe slugfest that would have likely saw Kongo bashing Buentello's face in from various angles, Kongo took a safer route to victory by taking down Buentello consistently throughout the fight and damaging him with knees and strikes from the top. It was easily a gameplan that allowed Kongo to take less damage while doling out plenty of offense.

With the win, Kongo will probably be given another test against a rising star or losing upper-echelon fighter. It's a position he's been in before, but he's been defeated in every major step up the ladder. Heath Herring, Cain Velasquez, and Frank Mir all took advantage of his subpar wrestling abilities, but he did manage to show us some improvement last night. My only concern is that he showed that improvement against a very one-dimensional fighter in Paul Buentello, a fighter who doesn't exactly endanger anyone he fights with a takedown.

Quick Analysis

- Alessio Sakara's perfectly placed punch to James Irvin's eye was probably a blessing in disguise. From the early moments of the bout, Sakara looked fresh, quick, and confident in his overhand punches and combinations. Irvin looked rather weak and tired from the weight cut, and it was obvious that he wasn't going to be able to stay conscious for three rounds unless he unloaded on Sakara. Unfortunately, Sakara unloaded a nasty left that put a knuckle into Irvin's eye and ended this fight before Irvin could even think about unleashing a flurry of his own.

I'm beginning to feel a bit more confident that Alessio Sakara can be a solid middle-of-the-road challenger in the UFC's middleweight division. His hands seem to be firing on all cylinders, and his quickness combined with his ability to string together overhands and jabs is going to give a lot of lesser punchers problems. It's always good to see these types of fighters get much deserved wins.

- Clay Guida proved he can finish fights as he pulled off an arm triangle from mount in the second round of his battle with journeyman Shannon Gugerty. There isn't much to say here as Guida was expected to out pace and out wrestle Gugerty, which is exactly what happened.

- Vladimir Matyushenko's victory over Elliot Marshall was the big snoozer of the night. Both men were unwilling to engage for long lengths of time, and Matyushenko's takedowns seemed to be the sole reason he won the fight. Marshall threw some blows and caught Matyushenko with an uppercut in the first round, but Matyushenko's wrestling provided the judges with a means to score it in his favor.

It'd be nice to see more offense from Matyushenko, but his style won't be changing any time soon. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but Matyushenko seems content in winning with his plodding style of wrestling and boxing.

- John Howard's vicious over-the-guard left hand (i.e. Hand of God) that landed dead center on Daniel Roberts' chin was truly spectacular to watch. Roberts provided some very real dangers in the submission game on the ground, and while I thought Howard would benefit from bringing the fight back up to the feet -- everything worked out perfectly for him.

- Brendan Schaub landed one straight right to Chase Gormley's chin in the first exchange of the night, and it was over very quickly. Gormley was a prospect people were curious about due to his affiliation with Black House, but his striking is very green and his defense is poor. Schaub is a remarkable specimen when it comes to learning the various martial arts within his arsenal, but he outmatched Gormley in the boxing arena before this fight even hit the cage.

- A wrestling performance laced with plenty of powerful takedowns took Mike Pierce all the way to victory lane over AFC-veteran Julio Paulino. Pierce was absolutely ferocious in his attack, but he still lacks the skill to land consistently on the chin. While some might say he lacks power, I think he has enough power in his hands to put many of his opponents out. His style, however, doesn't inspire confidence that he'll actually be able to do that. To the average fan, all of the impressive slams look great at least.

- Jason Brilz vs. Eric Schafer was ultimately a war of attrition going into the third round. The first round went to Schafer as he dropped Brilz with a knee toward the end of the round, but the second went to Brilz due to a late round guillotine attempt combined with some solid punches. Schafer lost the war as Brilz landed enough short punches and tired elbows to score for the judges. None of the blows were going to knock Schafer out, but Schafer was basically lifeless at the end of the fight. The high altitude really did both guys in.

- Last but not least, Duane Ludwig gruesomely broke his ankle against Darren Elkins. Nothing to analyze here, just an very unlucky moment for "Bang".

Overall thoughts

The main card could be considered a success from the casual fan point of view. The two top fights were solid finishes as Jon Jones landed the elbow from Hell on Vera's orbital while Dos Santos blasted Gabriel Gonzaga with a counter left that ended his night quickly. The added preliminary bout between John Howard and Daniel Roberts produced explosive results, and Alessio Sakara's left hand created a quick win... although it was somewhat marred by the uncertainty of whether it was an eye poke or actual punch. 

The Kongo-Buentello fight was probably the least appealing battle, but even it ended in a finish. Ultimately, it depends on how many fans actually tuned in for the event and if the brand actually brought a lot of fans over to Versus. Even if it didn't, the results will produce a little buzz for the second event happening in August.

Solid night of fights with many expected results. Look for the UFC to promote Jones as the next great light heavyweight, and watch out for Dos Santos popping up in contention talk. The UFC should want to show the world how deep the UFC's heavyweight division really is now with five solid fighters at the top.

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It was a great free card… really enjoyed it. But damn them for not showing Schaub’s 47 second KO. =)

by Nick Thomas on Mar 22, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah… I bet he’s a bit perturbed that he didn’t get a 50k bonus.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 22, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

they did shell out 200k worth of bonuses on only a 500k+ gate..

so I guess that’s good already…

I for one, didn’t enjoy this card that much. (no not cause of the Vera fight) It just had too many fouls, and very anti climactic finishes for my taste. Plus bouts that promised to be ‘fun slugfests’ like sakara/irvin and buentello/kongo didn’t happen. The only enjoyable fights for me were the Dos Santos, and Howard stoppages.

I guess it’s extra fun for you guys that it is free, but I can’t help to compare it to other UFC PPVs cause those are live and free here too. The only difference is when you guys go on commercial, I get zoomed-out shots of the arena with dead air, or walk-ins without commentary, which makes the broadcast look very amateurish.. (not that I’m complaining about less commercials, but still, it appeared to look like a badly run PPV)

by Anton Tabuena on Mar 22, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, me too, but this is the first time they did 3 KO of the night bonuses,

so it’s more than compensated I guess, especially counting the fact that they didn’t get (relatively) huge live gate.

by Anton Tabuena on Mar 22, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looked like the prelim card had great finishes

And a broken ankle.

O/T but the UFC has announced the next Versus card for August in Oakland, CA.

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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

What was the paid attendance number?

And was the venue that small, or was the place half full?

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by duck on Mar 22, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

the DREAM card pissed me off too,

the streak of fouls and anti climactic finishes extended over, continuing the bizzaro nature of the day’s MMA events.

but that’s just me.

by Anton Tabuena on Mar 22, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully the curse wears off before next weekend

I’d hate to see a PPV with so much potential for great fireworks end up bogged down in more fouls and weird events.

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by CasualMMAFan on Mar 22, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed I really wanted to see the Schaub fight. WTH was that all about?

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by xFenixKnightx on Mar 22, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with the notion that “Vera’s guard proved to be highly active and threatening to Jones.” Vera did not make a single submission or sweep attempt from his back.

Jones wasn’t given any reason to even respect Vera’s guard.

Slightly off-topic – Vera looked absolutely tiny next to Jones and probably suffered from a serious strength disadvantage.

by MMAEruption on Mar 22, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Jones has the longest reach in the sport AFAIK. And he’s strong as hell. I’d been under the impression that long limbs don’t really correlate with physical strength.

by MMAEruption on Mar 22, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I meant reach disadvantage. Tale of the tape last night said Jones’s reach was 84.5. That’s Kevin Durant-type reach.

by phillyhoosfan on Mar 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Long limbs might not always lead to stronger punches, but the physics of it says that, especially with blows that come around in an arc, you can generate more speed with a longer limb. I mean, there’s a question of power there as well, but if you have both and the long limbs you can generate CRAZY force. Looks like what we have in Jones; makes me think of that spinning elbow against Bonnar that knocked him down.

by verloc on Mar 22, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I addition to the power, look at what it does for Jones' ground and pound.

He doesn’t have to struggle to get into a dangerous range. He can pretty much sit upright and connect with Vera’s head. Vera is a very tall fighter, most other LHW will be immediately within the damage zone if (when) Jones can take them down.

by truck on Mar 22, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is definitely what I’m expecting to be his bread and butter now. How can you stop him from taking you down if he wants? How can you not get destroyed with punches while he sits safely up in your guard? Maybe Machida and Shogun will be able to handle him better in the clinch, and they both are amazing on their feet, but they’re the only two I can imagine beating Jon right now. Maybe Lil Nog can hang in there with him, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think Vera’s takedown defense is the best in the division. Jones takedown are simply the best. Its a combination of Prime Karo Parisyan’s slick judo throws and the strength of a well conditioned Henderson . He will takedown anybody. The way Hamill, Bonnar and Vera got manhandled and thrown to the ground are oustanding. There is simply is no stopping this guy being on top of you. Your only chance is to do very well standing up. To rock him before the unevitable guard position.

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by vivero on Mar 22, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think Machida will be the one who can test that out. Anyone else better fight with extreme prejudice and aggression, cause you’re right. Once Jon is inside, you’re just a lamb about to be slaughtered.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Machida had been taken down before. Sure he has great takedown defense but its not enough to overcome Jones’. The LHW division should pray that Bones wont improve his standup anymore.

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by vivero on Mar 22, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we’ll see. I’m gonna be torn between Machida and Jones, but I am absolutely sure that Jon will have that belt before too long. Jon Jones vs. Anderson Silva could happen someday if we’re all good and say our prayers:)

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clinch. Knees or Takedown. This is a dream fight.

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by vivero on Mar 22, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will sell souls to see that. Not mine of course…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

His reach is longer than Semmy Schilt's by ~1in.

I think it’s the longest in UFC history, probably in all MMA. Anyone know the largest reach in boxing?

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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 22, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Sylvia has 86 inch reach.

by dancingChicken on Mar 22, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? I wouldn’t have thought that. How long is Kendall Grove’s, then? He’s the same height as Tim.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 22, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Struve’s reach is 83 inches.

No idea about Choi’s reach but I would guess it’s longer than anyone’s. Doesn’t make him an elite fighter, particularly after his tumor operation.

I’ve seen Tim Sylvia’s reach listed alternately at both 86" and 80", but much more so at 80". I think a big deal was made out of the fact at one point that Lesnar had a longer reach than even Tim Sylvia (Lesnar has an 81" reach).

by Chromium on Mar 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vera’s guard was pretty active in moving up the ladder toward Jones’ head. There was some threat there, but Jones either postured up or pushed on Vera’s chest to spread Vera’s legs out. Rogan made the point that leaving those arms there is dangerous, but Jones seemed calm about it. I think his overall strength was giving him the confidence.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 22, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

One little thing Jones did while in Vera's gaurd that I thought was really slick...

While working towards his ground and pound, Jones postured up a little and moved his left hand towards Vera’s right knee, as if he was going to push it out of the way and attempt to pass gaurd. I was surprised he was so deliberate in doing so, I soon saw why…

Vera saw Jones this and he breifly moved his hand away from his face. Jones took this opportunity to send a looping left hook directly into Vera’s right cheek.

Jones is very calm with his attacks and he seems to bait his opponents into playing his game. I was very impressed to see him do this while in the gaurd of a solid submission fighter.

by truck on Mar 22, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wondered how Jones got such a clear shot at Vera's face

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by duck on Mar 22, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was constantly working his guard high and trying to get position for a submission.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 22, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take some bjj classes and you’ll see how much was actually happening. Vera constantly threatened but didn’t take the bait and go for subs when Jones wanted him too. He also did a top job recompsing guard when Jones was trying to pass.

Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.

by judonerd on Mar 22, 2010 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

To me, the most interesting thing about Vera / Jones was the ease of the takedown.

Vera has solid takedown defense, possibly some of the better takedown defense in the division. He too was rag dolled. Who has clearly better takedown defense?

I think Couture, Tito, Jardine and maybe Rua would be right around the same level.

Rashad, Rampage, Liddell and Machida are clearly above that. Who can stop Jones’ takedowns? He does need some more seasoning, but the ability to decide where the fight takes place is one of the biggest assets to any MMA fighter.

That is what makes Peen so dangerous at LW and GSP so dangerous at WW. Again, I am not saying Jones is there yet. I am just saying he is well on his way.

by truck on Mar 22, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

People underestimated Jones’ wrestling because some only go by the credentials they hear about each guy during UFC broadcasts. Jones took up MMA after winning a JUCO title, but he had scholarships waiting at Iowa and Iowa St if he wanted. His wrestling is elite, and he has a unique style and great athleticism. And just watching him in MMA, he manhandles fighters unlike anyone else at that weight. He owned Vera in wrestling just like he’s done to everyone else.

by Hardcharger on Mar 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I mean... His wrestling is superb.

Who beyond Vera will offer a stiffer test to his wrestling?

I can’t think of many. I think his clinch game would work well against Liddell’s sprawl and Evans is undersized. I think Jones might be able to get them down. Could he throw Rampage to the ground? What would he do with Machida’s uncanny balance?

I am very interested to see…

by truck on Mar 22, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, I’d take Jones to get anyone down who he can clinch with. Machida and Shogun would be tough to take down due to their defensive wrestling coupled with their movement/footwork and striking. Nearly everyone else would get ragdolled.

I think Thiago Silva is a good fight right now for Jones – a big name, a tough guy, but not one of the top 3-4 guys who may be too much this early. I think Jones would smash him, as he could take Silva down like Rashad did, but Jones also has much better size, length, and leverage to keep Silva down and beat him up there.

by Hardcharger on Mar 22, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep holding out hope that we wil;l get to see Thiago Silva vs Shogun at ome point.

That fight would be a ton of fun to watch…

I agree with you though. Jones has some of the best takedowns in the sport. The fact that he has done some work with Firaz and GSP won’t hurt either. Def one of the most exciting prospects there has been in a while. I like Jones vs

Liddell / Ortiz winner, Franklin / Couture winner, Griffin / Nogueira winner, Rashad / Rampage loser (if it is an option and I don’t think it will be), or Thiago Alves. A former champ would be a lice feather in his cap and the others are solid contenders that would represent a step up in competition.

by truck on Mar 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lice feather is a peculiar image:)

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Chuck or Rampage stand a chance in the clinch either. Machida or Shogun, and possibly Randy, can probably hold their own. With Jon, I think it’s going to take agility as much as strength. Most of those guys you mention are strong enough, and have great traditional takedown defense, but it’s the unbalancing, the trips and throws that they won’t be able to react to.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slight nitpick...

but wasn’t Gonzaga’s KO of CC with his right leg?

by Razreshat on Mar 22, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah.

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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, miscue.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 22, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Sakara

I’d feed him the winner of Quarry/Rivera.

Kongo is not a ground fighter and never will be. But it’s obvious he knew he’d destroy Buentello, who has ZERO ground game, and took the easiest route to victory instead of STAND AND BANG!

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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

He said that he had some problems and couldn’t stand and bang. But I couldn’t understand him properly.

by dancingChicken on Mar 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wondered if he was not going to risk the S&B after Mir rocked him.

Because Buentello has power.

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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is a video on ufc.com in which he says something about having problems with high altitude, food or something like that. Look it up, maybe you’ll understand him, I’m too tired to decipher his accent.

by dancingChicken on Mar 22, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I deciphered his accent

And deduced he had a French one.

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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

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by Neil Manich on Mar 22, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said food poisoning messed with his training, he had trouble with the altitude , apparently it wasn’t the real gameplan we saw but he did his best, he is trying to come back in contention.

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by spectaa on Mar 22, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

food poisoning

Yep that it. He had trouble with food poisoning 10 days before the fight. So he switched his gameplan and took the easiest route to victory.

by bawzz on Mar 22, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too much bitching about Kongo IMO

We see this all the time, guys coming off consecutive losses are going to take the safest path to victory to ensure that they don’t lose their job. Since Buentello has no ground game, and Kongo has good GNP, I’m not sure why everyone is shocked that Kongo didn’t stand with him. Allowing Buentello that puncher’s chance just so some fans will be happy doesn’t sound like a smart game plan to me, because those same fans would be saying Kongo was shot if he had lost to Buentello.

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by lowellthehammer on Mar 22, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

IMO, easiest way to win without taking much damage is the way to go… always. Sure, being exciting will get you farther in Dana White’s world, so perhaps that’s what these guys may want to do… but Kongo’s GnP is good enough to finish Buentello fast. It just so happens that Buentello was able to stay alive for most of the fight.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 22, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, everyone’s okay with GSP doing this every time.

The main difference between GSP pre and post Jackson is, now he dares you to survive his ground n pound everytime.

by Dooda on Mar 22, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone else wanna see Jones/Bader?

i think it’d be a fun one. though they may not want to knock off one of their blue chips, by matching them up.

by woooburn on Mar 22, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

i think he’s got a fight scheduled already. and i’d rather jones being fighting someone who isn’t coming off a loss.

by woooburn on Mar 22, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cane is 13th in the ranking and there’s not many options to be honest.

by dancingChicken on Mar 22, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see Vera against Cane.

by Dooda on Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Jones would beat Bader. Bader has huge cardio issues in that he looks good in the first round and then just gasses after that. Bader’s striking is good, and he has a lot of power, but there are holes in it like dropping his right hand when throwing a jab. Bader’s wrestling is good, but with Jones’ reach, Jones can do takedowns that his opponents don’t even expect. I would think that Jones would be able to defend most of Bader’s takedowns.

by chrisbboy82 on Mar 22, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the well thought out response. all excellent points. you’re more than likely correct. then again, i didn’t think bader would beat jardine, so anything’s possible.

by woooburn on Mar 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones would destroy Bader at this point. Jones needs top 10-15 competition, I think Bader should be fighting guys a step below that right now. I realize Jardine is pretty highly ranked but I wasn’t so impressed with Bader’s win that I think he should be moving too far up the ladder. Bader has great potential but he still needs to tighten some things up.

by ufc4 on Mar 22, 2010 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

fair enough. i suppose bader’s exile from ACS doesn’t help matters either. who’s your ideal next opponent for bones? wait out the outcome of some of the contender fights? would imagine he could be have a pretty quick turnaround, since he didn’t take a ton of damage last night.

by woooburn on Mar 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally I’d love to see the fight but I don’t know how much sense it makes for the UFC to pit two of their young prospects against one another. Luiz Cane is a solid option for either as well as Thiago Silva.

by Chadsac on Mar 22, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

cane is already signed to fight diabate, i believe. and based on greg jackson’s “we don’t wanna fight someone on their way down” comments (before the vera fight), i’m not sure they’d be that excited about a fight with thiago, since rashad (his teammate) just beat him. would definitely prefer that matchup over cane though.

by woooburn on Mar 22, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he is a couple notches above Bader at this point...

Plus there is no need to sacrifice one. Tito, Couture, Franklin, Liddell and Griffin may all be on their way out. They need to eep as many prospects around as possible…

by truck on Mar 22, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I was Bader

I would never take that fight. He’d be the huge underdog, and also beating Jones wouldn’t likely catapult him to title contention. Bader needs to fight somebody more established that he has a better chance against. It would be a good fight to put him up against Franklin.

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by Neil Manich on Mar 22, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to see that. I really think Jon should get the Noguiera/Forrest winner, though. However, I want to see Jon Jones fight everyone at this point, so if they slow play him a bit, that’s cool too. He’s taking zero damage, at least legal damage, so he can probably fight in May if he wants to.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by woooburn on Mar 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Jones can put a little work in there?

It would be good for him, but I suppose bad for match making. Whe don’t need, little Nog, Machida and Anderson scratched off his possible opponent list. Especially considering Jardine and Evans might already be on it…

by truck on Mar 22, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE Pierce's standing power

Whoever says he doesn’t have power must not have seen the Fitch fight; I thought he was close to finishing Fitch , and that doesn’t happen every day.

by woomikee on Mar 22, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

In the third, he did.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 22, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sakara vs. Winner of Quarry / Rivera sounds like a good fight to me.

I say make Irvin go back to LHW and have him fight Keith Jardine in a loser leaves town match.

Dos Santos vs. Velasquez would be an awesome fight.

Jones should fight Rampage (if he loses to Rashad) or winner of Forrest / Lil Nog

Vera should continue to be a stepping stone for up and comers. If Phil Davis wins at UFC 112, Davis vs. Vera would make sense.

Even though Kongo won and Gonzaga lost, I’d like to see these two fight. I imagine Buentello will most likely be cut after last night’s loss.

Guida would be a good fight for George Sotiropolis or the winner of Miller / Bocek @ UFC 111.

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by mburtoni on Mar 22, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I did not know that. Vera vs. Irvin @ LHW as a loser leaves town fight would also make sense.

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by mburtoni on Mar 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I would definitely be interested in that match-up.

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by CasualMMAFan on Mar 22, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last night I said Jones should fight winner of Forrest/Lil Nog. I think that’s a good fight to test Jones for sure. But the more I think about it I’d really rather see him fight Rampage. Let’s see if his takedowns are still effective against one of the best wrestlers in the division, also one of the strongest fighters in the division. That’s the fight I want to see. I want to see Dos Santos fight Overeem, but pipedreams.

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by Neil Manich on Mar 22, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think Forrest/Lil Nog winner is the right call, but I can’t wait to see Jon fight Rampage either. I’m really wondering if Rampage gets the next shot if he beats Rashad. I have no idea where Page’s head is at, or how the UFC is feeling about him right now.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to be THAT guy but......

Vera looked like a middle weight compared to Jones. It seems Vera is yet another fighter that would probably fit in a 195 or so weight class. Just a victim of the times I guess.

It seems Vera and Gonzaga ended up in the same gatekeeping spot yesterday.

by JimJoe on Mar 22, 2010 12:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Nope, you’re totally right about Vera’s appearance. Some guys just don’t seem to fit into a standard weight class.

by MMAEruption on Mar 22, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could bulk up a bit. He looked skinny compared to Jones.

by dancingChicken on Mar 22, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys are very, very wrong. why do ppl assume that upper body is the only place fighters have muscle? Bones is very built and very lean in his upper body, but has extremely skinny legs, whereas vera has thick legs, probably thicker bones from the years of muay thai too. It actually took him a while to be able to cut to 205 effectively, because he is large. I love how internet fans are convinced that looks can determine cuts… obviously from melvin, bones, and rumble, there are some black guys that can have enormous amounts of upper body muscle that seemingly doesnt weigh that much. all genetics. believe me, theres not a single possibility in the entire world vera could make 185.

IN FACT- i think he should bulk up and go back to HW, where his speed will be an advantage

by Austin Martin on Mar 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I’m saying, he should bulk up.

by dancingChicken on Mar 22, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

you implied that he should bulk up before cutting to 205, which for him would be impossible, for two years he’s tried to stay lean to make the cut easier

by Austin Martin on Mar 22, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was 225 at HW. How much does he cut to 205? Because now he looks a lot leaner than at HW.

by dancingChicken on Mar 22, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

also much younger. bones get denser over the years, especially if you’re striking constantly.

by Austin Martin on Mar 22, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever, I don’t think Vera’s problem lays in his weight.

by dancingChicken on Mar 22, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looks like he has the body of an Olympic swimmer. That being said, his body size and strength are not his biggest issue.

by YoungGun on Mar 22, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Vera did look small but he’s skinny as shit, I don’t know where he’d find another ten pounds to shed.

by ufc4 on Mar 22, 2010 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I actually think Vera is suited for a 230 lb division. He’s skinny because his frame is too big to fight at 205.

Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.

by judonerd on Mar 22, 2010 12:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i agree. i think we actually may see a less tentative vera if he bulked up to HW and didnt have to deal with the cut. he’d be much quicker and have better muay thai than most HWs, plus his frame is a HW frame

by Austin Martin on Mar 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The outcomes went more or less as expected

I did expect as most did that Jones would be able to outwork Vera to a decision. I was surprised he was able to stop him. He is a steamroller and I think he and Bader are ready for a crossroads young guns battle.

It is funny that just the other day so many people were commenting right here about what Gonzaga would do to JDS. I think it was running over 50% in Gonzagas favor. And on that very thread I said that JDS striking and chin would be the difference. Well, as it turned out his footwork, timing and speed were the biggest difference. And the one attempt by Gonzaga for a takedown was shrugged off like a bird off a rhino by JDS. I think that was a major turning point for JDS. And I think he will give any of the big top 4 HW’s everything they can handle and dispel this urban legend that you must now be 260+ lbs solid to be a top HW.

I knew Kongo had the tools to win a fight against Buentello. I was slightly surprised when he got tagged with a few good shots early and then went straight for the takedown from then on.

I think that Irvins weight cut was blown out of proportion. Not everyone looks ideal when they lose weight. He didn’t look all that different in the fight than he has before. I think the big difference was that Sakara is putting together a much better striking game than he had before with better defense, footwork and timing and he is getting much better leverage on his punches. I think he would dust Leben now and I would put him in with a top 10 guy now, it could be good.

 

by SimplePsych on Mar 22, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Versus TV

I understand this will never happen and is completely improbable, but i would have to say mma and hockey is the only thing this channel has going for it. Who gives a flying shit about hunting and bullriding… well enough people to warrant it being on tv at least. I just wish that somehow Versus could be turned into a MMA only channel providing coverage of all things mma. or at least have all main timeslots dedicated to shows providing mma news coverage and mma events. The world of media is developing quickly and a lot of local underground mma events could be filmed and distriubted. Before everyone hates on this, it is merely a wish, or a dream if you will. I know just because I think mma is so amazing it deserves it’s own channel that rest of the world may not feel that way, but it is developing so fast that i just wish there was a televised media outlet for all things mma. But i say war bloodyelbow 4 life.

by Rocejize on Mar 22, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

A lot more people care about hunting than MMA bro. And the people that do spend a lot more money on hunting stuff than MMA fans spend on MMA stuff.

Hell, there’s whole channels for that stuff. It’s also cheap as hell to produce; get some guys, guns, and a camera. There’s your show.

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by toxic on Mar 22, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right on target, toxic

Don’t assume that because it doesn’t appeal to you that it doesn’t appeal to anybody. A hell of a lot of people watch hunting shows – that’s why ESPN2 still runs them on weekends.

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by duck on Mar 22, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has the only two sports I really care about a lot, and I’d love it if they just focused on those two things.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got a feeling Buentello is going to fight Toney.

Just a hunch.

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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d actually like to see Vera work some of hit mt on Toney

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by keyboardwarrior on Mar 22, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a decent fight. I wonder if Paul takes him to the ground. He’ll probably just try to out kickbox a boxer.

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by Neil Manich on Mar 22, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

List of guys Jones could fight next: Bader, Franklin, Ortiz, Liddell, Couture, Griffin, Cane, Thiago Silva

Guys he won’t fight: Rashad, Jardine

Guys he shouldn’t be put against quite yet: Shogun, Machida, Rogerio, Rampage

by Hardcharger on Mar 22, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the griffen match-up..........

Give him griffin after Lil Nog tools him. Kill griffins career and build your next superstar……….

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by Dragon101 on Mar 22, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what I mean....

Dana will be very very hesitant to harm his goldenboy in a way that would make it difficult to keep him in the UFC. Look at the mileage Bonnar has gotten out of that fight and he is not the same level of fighter that Griffin is.

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by Roland86 on Mar 22, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing talent!!

I gotta say I haven’t been impressed with too many fighters in awhile. But this Jon “Bones” Jones kid is Raw….great talent. I’m very impressed with his fighting style and his humbleness. He has all the tools to be a great fighter.

by DaBooYaKID! on Mar 22, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Very skilled!

Jon Jones has pretty much every base covered when it comes to having all skills needed to be successful in MMA. He’s going to be tough to beat. Scary if you think about it.

by DaBooYaKID! on Mar 22, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we’ve still hardly seen him tested. I imagine there’s a hellacious arsenal he’s developed over his time at Jackson’s that we’ve barely seen yet.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The day after and I’m still hard pressed to see the ceiling on his potential. At 22, it seems his traits (strength, speed, length, character, skill) are the perfect storm for becoming an all time great. Just comparing his performance against Vera with Couture’s, I have a hard time seeing anyone else taking care of Vera like that.
I do want to see Vera get some good fights though. I like Luiz Cane personally.

by Dooda on Mar 22, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Jon Jones is 22, he’s not Fedor yet.

Stop talk about Jones…

by TheLastEmperor on Mar 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

With Jones we can get excited about potential future matchups

Rather than be constantly disappointed when they fall abpart…

by truck on Mar 22, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Do you have a pic for everything?

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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 22, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Damon O. on Mar 22, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duh he’s not Fedor, he’s a light heavyweight. Cigano is Fedor, or maybe its Cain that’s Fedor. Either way shut up I’m excited.

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by Neil Manich on Mar 22, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanna see Jones vs Rampage. Perhaps Page will be determined enough to fight knowing this kid’s potential ,that is if he even plans on staying.

I don’t think page wants any part of machida. A slow boxer vs machida is just fucked up.

Vera doesnt cut weight. He is stupid. Everyone else cuts weight why don’t you, You came down to LHW so you wouldnt be so oversized. Ever heard of weights? You birdchested mofo.

JDS vs Gonzaga when JDS did that friggen thing while annoucning him, When he walked into the middle and gave a sick menacing stare at Gonzaga., That look shook me I knew Gonzaga was done after that.

by p123 on Mar 22, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Jones is a scary individual. He may the next best guy. His body may perhaps be a bigger asset that Bj’s body is to him. That is saying something.

by p123 on Mar 22, 2010 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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