UFC on Versus Results: Jon Jones Finishes Brandon Vera With Brutal Elbows on the Ground
by Kid Nate on Mar 21, 2010 11:00 PM EDT
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The Germans believe in the doppelganger, an uncanny double from another time that appeared to men at key points in their lives. Sometimes the viewer's future self would bring a warning, sometimes a call of doom.
When the UFC's hottest young light heavyweight Jon Jones met fading star Brandon Vera, it might have been that Jones saw his doppelganger. Only four years ago the brash young Vera was touted as a new generation of fighter with incredible striking, top-flight wrestling and an aggressive submission game. Tonight he entered the cage as a "might have been".
But if Jones recognized anything of his future in the fallen Vera, he didn't register it. Overcoming an illegal upkick to the face while on his knees, he finished Vera quickly with hard elbows on the ground in the first round.
Jones immediately clinched and used a judo hip sweep to throw Vera to his back. Vera got guard immediately and then kicked Jones off of him. Jones flew back several feet in the air off the kicks. Jones quickly got a second take down, Vera again got guard. Vera threatened arm bars as Jones left his arm extended. Then Vera landed a vicious, but illegal upkick to Jones' face. Dean took a point away from Vera and returned the fighters to the ground, back to Jones in Vera's guard.
Vera then landed another illegal looking kick that Dean seemingly missed. Again announcer Joe Rogan alerted viewers that Vera was threatening an arm bar until Jones began landing elbows and quickly finished the fight. 
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Loser of machida/shogun if he thinks hes ready
by MauiPimpin on Mar 21, 2010 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he should get a title shot.
Loser of rampage rashad? Winner of Couture/Franklin. Loser of Shogun Machida?
Winner of Forrest Rogerio? I think a title is premature.
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by Neil Manich on Mar 21, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Given his resume a title is premature
But how many guys do you think he would be the underdog against?
Machida, Anderson, Shogun? Anyone else? I really think he’d be favored against all these other guys.
I actually would really like to see that. Honestly I think Jones annihaltes Silva and Machida as well. I don’t think anyone has an answer to his wrestling its just too crazy unorthodox and unstoppable. Perhaps they can submit him but everyday his sub d goes up.
Any fight involving Jones is going to go on the ground. He has shown to have crazy wrestling. His long arms make his GNP unstoppable.
WHOAAAAAAAA slow the hell down.
He’s not that legendary.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Figure this out.
Unstoppable takedowns plus unstoppable GNP.
All fighters fighting Jones will be fighting off of their back .
Who can beat Jones off their back is the real question. Vera u really couldn’t even try the armbar. U fuck!
You need to relax here.
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by Neil Manich on Mar 21, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah man p123 is on to something
I think Jon Jones just may be impervious to all forms of mortal weaponry. The guy cannot be stopped, with his unmatched blacknes…I mean athleticism and explosiveness there’s just no matching his skills. Jon Jones reaches for the stars and pulls back candy and good will for all the children of the world. He is the Highlander and there can be only one, he had to decapitate Samuel L Jackson, Anderson Silva, and every member of Parlament-Funkadelic before the fight to make sure there was the only truly badass black man walking the earth at the time of the fight. Some people may say I’m being presumptious, but I say those people are a bunch of timid homosexuals.
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by Fake Emcee on Mar 22, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
he beat brandon vera
a good fighter but nothing special
i say give him either the forrest lil nog winner of the rampage rashad loser anderson or machida seem like huge steps up from the way his competition has slowly been progressing
That sounds better...
…he’s looking good, sure, but still too soon for a title shot. I assume winner of Rashad/Rampage or Couture are close in line for the winner of Machida/Shogun II, so the winner of Forrest/Rogerio should give him yet another step up in competition.
Anton Tabuena.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Another green comment. REC THIS!
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that Bruce in your avatar?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 21, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya. All of this “jumping the shark” nonsense made me do it.
Keep firing Assholes!
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What supposedly jumped?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 21, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It does actually. haha.
That, “I don’t mind getting taken down, cause I will submit you” was a bit dumb…
but this event was too weird and anticlimactic. Eye punch, dislocated pinky, broken ankle, tap due to thigh shot, elbow near the eye, illegal upkick, illegal knees, fake illegal knees… etc etc…
and I also wanted to see how Jones would do against Vera standing up. but hey, at least we saw awesome finishes from doomsday and Dos Santos.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 21, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Shame on Vera...
Too cautious not to go for that arm bar! I’m done defending him.
I wondered about that
I’ve never trained, but it looked like the arm bar was there for the taking. I was actually excited after he lost the point, I was hoping that would light a fire under him.
I’d be interested in hearing what someone who trains BJJ has to say about it.
Depends on the time of day...
Jones Hellbows don’t work so good from 12 – 6…
by truck on Mar 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As I posted beforehand
this was an easy fight to predict.
Vera isn’t a top 10 LHW – top 30 yes, but not in Jones’ class.
Now the question is how will Jones do against top 10 competition. I hope he gets several in a row so we know just how good he actually is.
Who's your top 10
Or 15 or 20?
People always make these claims that people are way overrated, but these divisions aren’t necessarily that deep.
Machida
Shogun
Anderson (does he count?)
Rampage
Rashad
Mousasi
Noguiera
Jones
Griffin
Couture
Silva
Jones vs. Forrest/Lil' Nog winner?
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
not in any particular order, here are 15 LHWs that i think are clearly better than Vera:
1. Machida
2. Shogun
3. Evans
4. Rampage
5. Mousasi
6. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
7. Forrest Griffin
8. Randy Couture
9. Franklin
10. Liddell
11. Jon Jones
12. Thiago Silva
13. Luis Cane
14. Jardine
15. Wanderlei
16. Tito
And that doesn’t include the Anderson Silvas, Belforts or Dan Hendersons who sometimes fight at LHW.
Vera is certainly in the top 30, maybe even at the bottom of the top 20…but he is far, far from title contention.
Really I should be quiet
and let people continue to believe in Vera and count my winnings from better odds….
:)
NO PARTICULAR ORDER
I agree Couture isn’t #8 – how about 12-15, somewhere in there. so Vera at 20 seems about right to me.
Vera’s skull now matches Tito’s.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 21, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
A jones elbow was responsible for that cracked skull.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I’m not a fan of Ortiz…nor do I think he is very good at this point in his career. But Vera has 4 years of lackluster fights. Do you really want to make your case for Vera by saying he could compete with Tito?? :)
compared to what from Tito?
What has Tito done to convince you that he will “consistently beat Vera”? beat ken shamrock? High Five!
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 21, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
and speaking of tito, check out his latest tweet:
Touching jennajameson’s butt right now. It is so nice!!!!!
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 21, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That man is the manifestation of class.
I want your ugly I want your disease I want your everything As long as it’s free I want your love Love-love-love I want your love I want your drama The touch of your hand I want you leather studded kiss in the scene And want your love Love-love-love I want your love You know that I want youAnd you know that I need youI want a bad,your bad romance I want your loving And I want your revenge You and me could write a bad romance I want your loving All your love is revenge You and me could write a bad romance
by Neil Manich on Mar 21, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^jealous
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
Sooooo
your defense of Vera is that you think it’s questionable whether the lowest ranked guy I listed would consistently beat him.
Bravo – yes, I don’t think Ortiz would beat Vera 10 out of 10 matches…maybe only 6 out of 10.
This loss hurts…doesn’t it?
Come on, it’s just us here…you can be honest.
that I'm not gonna reply to sillyness or that you think you're making valid points?
cause if it’s the latter, no, you did not understand.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 21, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my understanding
is that you’re defending Vera by comparing him to the lowest rated LHW I listed…which seems pretty weak.
megatron in a baby swing weak.
Seriously?
I’ll take a win over Forrest and a draw with Rashad over Vera’s resume…though admittedly not by much.
The Forrest of 4 years ago?
Vera beat a tough prospect in Kryzsztof recently, and should’ve got the decision against Randy.
You must’ve lost a bunch of money on Vera when you beat against him versus Kryzsztof, huh?
You just won’t let it go that Vera is a good fighter.
I don’t think 20th best in the deepest division is bad. But I was surprised people thought Vera was anywhere near the top or that he would beat Jones.
I did lose some on the K-Sos fight, but not that much, I don’t think much of him either.
Jones by awe inspiring TKO, R1.
Yeah, I’ll be bragging for a while.
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by Ubernoober on Mar 21, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think he tried selling it to the devil to hep Vera out.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 21, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
so what’s his greatest accomplishment? he hasn’t even beaten a former champion yet. let alone fought for a title.
He’s made progressively better competition look silly.
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by Ubernoober on Mar 21, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
His dominance against legitimate competiton
Tells me that he’s great now. His resume will catch up shortly.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Monte Fisto on Mar 21, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Um.
He hasn’t beaten a former champion because there aren’t a whole lot of them around in a sport where the champs only fight 2-3 times a year. He’s beaten the people they’ve given him and should continue to plow through the competition. His greatest accomplishment is handling every test they’ve given him so far.
by worldcupfever on Mar 21, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh...
Forrest, Rampage, Rashad, Shogun, Chuck, Tito, Randy, Dan Henderson, and Wanderlei. That’s 9 former champs he could have fought at LHW, assuming the ‘05 MW GP counts for Shogun. We could also add Rich Franklin as former 185 champ who also fights at 205. LHW has an abundance of former champions. This isn’t lightweight where the whole history of the division includes little more than Sherk, Penn, Jens, and Gomi as champs.
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-Randall Munroe
but you gotta think
6 of those whom you mentioned are tied up in other fights, 1 isn’t even in the same org anymore, and Wandy has to heal up from squeezing the blood out of his own skull trying to pop off Bisping’s head.
The only seemingly viable option that you mentioned would be Franklin, and…come on…I don’t, and doubt many others can, really see Franklin beating Jon Jones.
Okay, that’s fair, but if he beat half of those guys, he’d get shit for beating washed-up fighters (chuck, tito) or he’d sit on his hands waiting for guys like rampage and rashad to get through their fights. and hendo isn’t there.
by worldcupfever on Mar 22, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, absolutely.
But you said there aren’t many former champs. I’m chop bustin’. And doc dustin’.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
you all have a different definition of greatness. to me it’s a matter of accomplishment. not potential.
Let's be reasonable.
How much SHOULD he have accomplished by now? Were they going to give him a match against Machida? Should he have faced Silva? This is how the ladder goes when you’re 22 fucking years old and 2 years into the sport. You face progressively tougher competition. You not only beat, but dominate that competition. You move up and move on. Pretty impressive.
by worldcupfever on Mar 21, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
I don’t think anybody in th LHW division matches this explosiveness.
The throws are simply unprecedented. Amazing.
by PackMMA on Mar 21, 2010 11:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I thought that Vera would have more answers/defense against those takedowns. While things can change in a fight, I do feel that if the fight went three rounds that it would be more of the same which is Jones taking Vera down and pounding him. I wonder who the UFC is going to give Jones next? Jones really did come off as very humble in victory, which I thought was cool.
Yeah, Jones is a classy respectful guy. That is particularly impressive given his age and the hype behind him.
I was surprised he threw Vera down so easily too. I think Vera has some solid takedown defense and Jones landed both of his attempts. The way he controls the balance and momentum of his opponents is very impressive.
Who at LHW has substantially better takedown defense than Vera?
Couture? Tito? Jardine? Maybe.
Liddell, Evans, Rampage and Machida are probably to only ones I can think of as having a definite advantage over Vera in takedown defense.
Jones does need to work on his sub defense a little. Other fighters will be more agressive with their sub attempts and he can’t just leave his arms in harms way, but I am sure that will improve with time.
I like Jones vs Silva
Didnt Silva lose his last fight though? Jones is training with Jackson now, so does that mean he wont be fighting teammates in Jackson and Jardine?
I told you not to f*ck with me.
by Romoesbueno on Mar 21, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
After seeing Rashad constantly take down Silva
Albeit while doing absolutely nothing afterwards, I just realized Jones would abuse him if he chose to take it to the ground all night.
"BANG!" - Jim Lampley's first word as a child
by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he probably won't fight his teammates...
…just like every other major camp right now. And yeah, Silva lost his last fight to Rashad, so while I think Thiago/Jones would be a good fight, I don’t think the potential win would advance Jones’ position in the division all that much.
He could just do nothing but knees.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I would
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by Neil Manich on Mar 21, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn’t really get him anywhere though. He deserves a fight to set up a title shot, although I’ll grant you that there aren’t that many options. Presumably after Shogun/Machida, either the Rampage/Rashad winner, or Lil Nog if he beats Forrest and Machida loses. So I think he gets the loser of one of those three fights.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think they want to see Couture beat into retirement.
by BilboMcFonzie on Mar 21, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well i was hoping it would go a little longer
Good thing i recorded a bunch of its always sunny episodes to fill my time until dream
by MauiPimpin on Mar 21, 2010 11:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i say give him a title shot. i knew young and better athletes were on the way to the sport. i just thought it would be anther 5 to 10 years before we started seeing people get that outclassed athletically.
I wouldn't rush it that quickly.
I think he needs 1-2 more fights before he can get into title talks.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i say give him a title shot.
Dude is made of pure awesome but what? He’s still a prospect.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
Why are so many people insistent on rushing prospects to the top? Let him fight a top ten opponent first at the very least.
HW has the depth of a kiddie pool
And Jones isn’t good enough yet.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
with his ATHLETECISM and EXPLOSIVENESS,
that train is going real far!
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 21, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
John Howard is Athletic and Explosive too!
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 21, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure Anton, ALL black fighters are, freakin’ racist….
by ufc4 on Mar 21, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
race?
I’m just repeating what Rogan said. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 21, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just joking, I watch a lot of baseball and whenever one of the 80 year old announcers calls a young black guy “athletic” they always get accused of being racist.
I can’t live in a world where the terms “explosive” and “athletic” are only allowed to describe white guys:)
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
haha. i know what you mean
it’s just such a generic term for black athletes though.
They get labeled “athletic” and then it’s glossed over. Granted, I think people are being way too sensitive. But that’s how it goes.
Scary thing
Is that the same arguments about Fedor’s loss will be used for Bones’ loss to Hamil. I mean if Bones keeps this domination.
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The sport is too deep to be undefeated now
If you stay in the UFC for your entire career you will take a loss, its inevitable..
I say he gets winner of Forrest Rogerio next
For a top contender spot.
I want your ugly I want your disease I want your everything As long as it’s free I want your love Love-love-love I want your love I want your drama The touch of your hand I want you leather studded kiss in the scene And want your love Love-love-love I want your love You know that I want youAnd you know that I need youI want a bad,your bad romance I want your loving And I want your revenge You and me could write a bad romance I want your loving All your love is revenge You and me could write a bad romance
Jones would annihilate Forrest
But Nog is definitely beating Forrest anyway so…..Jones/Nog it is.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that's really the fight I wanted to see
But I can’t just sell Forrest down the river like that. He’s done crazier things that beat Rogerio.
I want your ugly I want your disease I want your everything As long as it’s free I want your love Love-love-love I want your love I want your drama The touch of your hand I want you leather studded kiss in the scene And want your love Love-love-love I want your love You know that I want youAnd you know that I need youI want a bad,your bad romance I want your loving And I want your revenge You and me could write a bad romance I want your loving All your love is revenge You and me could write a bad romance
by Neil Manich on Mar 21, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but not lately...
I hope he can turn it around. He is a very likable guy. I was always a fan and more so after reading his book. I like little Nog too though and I think a Little Nog win creates more interesting match ups. I am very torn.
Forrest will be embarrassed by Jones
Forrest is way too slow.
if randy defeats rich they will give him a title shot. i think bones would crush randy so just give the shot to bones.
I only see Randy getting a title shot if Machida defends his title.
Machida has beat everyone at the top except for Rampage couture and Little Nog.
Rua has too many potentially exciting matchups with other top contenders. A remathc with Little Nog or Rampage would be awsome! A fight with Evans would be explosive. A fight with Thiago or Anderson Silva would be impressive as well and would proably out do a match with Couture.
Let's see 3 top 10 fights first
A great wrestler, a top level striker and a combo artist. Say Couture, Rampage and Forrest.
After that THEN we’ll know what we have with Jones.
Meanwhile – it’s a fun ride. )
couture/forrest wouldn’t stand a chance, forrest has said that he doesn’t want to fight jon jones, cause he doesn’t want to lose to an up and comer… rampage/jj wouuld be interesting, maybe after the evans fight, jon jones can avenge evans’ loss to rampage, since they both train at jacksons.
Yes, because people just hang around forever fighting top 10 guys without going for a title shot.
by worldcupfever on Mar 21, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a deep divsion
and who says Jones will win 3 fights in a row of that caliber?
Quality of competition matters – Jones doesn’t have much right now.
But no one fights 3 fights in a row at that level without getting rewarded with a title shot. He beats 1 of the three at this point, he’d probably get a shot. And the quality doesn’t matter – they tell him who to fight, he goes out and handles his business.
by worldcupfever on Mar 21, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
let’s pay this out…
say he fights the loser of the Rampage/Rashad fight – and loses
that means at least two more high caliber wins are needed to get a title shot
if he wins that fight and one more after that, then yes he will get the title opportunity.
I think everyone is just wayyy over excited tonight about Jones beating the 20th best LHW. Vera is a nice little step up, but nothing to be taken seriously.
Jones needs to beat some contenders.
LOL, this is the same shit that happened after the Hammill fight. Everyone was saying Hammill was such a big step up in competition for Jones, then after Jones handled him easily (even though he lost) everyone downplayed it by saying Hammill wasn’t that great. Now before this fight everyone is saying Vera is a huge step up and Jones is being way overrated, now Jones wins and Vera is “nothing to be taken seriously”, what a joke.
by ufc4 on Mar 21, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That game was like 3 weeks ago and I’m still celebrating. The wife calls it a drinking problem, I call it being a proud Canadian. :)
im not trying to take anything away from u canadians
but cmon ur canada u invented hockey most americans couldnt give a flying fuck about the sport the game shouldnt have had to go to overtime
My wife gets hockey (unlike you), she doesn’t get the way Canadians go nuts over something like the gold medal game.
in my opinion its like me going nuts if the yankees win the world series
sure its great but its really expected, the yankees should be winning just like canada should,
im still gonna party my ass off for it like i did in october but i really dont think its that huge of a deal
Here are the things you don’t understand:
1) Canada isn’t expected to win anymore, they may be the favorites but there is no more talent gap internationally, there are six or seven countries that can ice a team capable of winning a tournament like the Olympics.
2) In Canada, if they don’t win, they’re pariahs. When they lost to the US in the round robin, there were people here who should’ve been on death watch.
i get the second part
but not the first i feel like if marty brodeur is on ur bench ur expected to win
The first part works like this.
Canada produces more top shelf hockey talent than any other country in the world. They could ice three teams at the Olympics and win all three medals, that’s how many good hockey players there are from Canada.
The problem is they can only ice one team of 23 players, and the US, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic and Slovakia can all put a comparable 23 man team together in terms of talent.
Check this out:
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/3/12/1370655/the-iggy-heard-round-the-world
Keep firing Assholes!
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the Leafs are awful this year, but they have a bright future. We beat the Shitators in the season series, so that is our small victory for 09/10.
Keep firing Assholes!
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I don’t know, when the Bruins draft Taylor Hall 1st overall with the Leafs pick and he’s potting goals on us for the next 10 years….
I think Brian Burke has done a terrible job putting this team together and I think Ron Wilson is a terrible coach. Five years from now, they might eek into the playoffs.
Burke and Wilson did a good job with the US Olympic team.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
Totally different than building an NHL franchise that has to play 82 games, year in, year out and can’t cherry pick the best talent available from a single nation.
I hate the leafs as well. Though I’m from Vancouver, so it’s not like we have anything to really brag about.
I don't want to lick any butt. - GSP
yup.
Jones deserves his props… but it’s kinda wrong to generalize the internet, with ‘Django Z’ as your only sample.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 21, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
There were a ton of people around here doing the exact same shit after that fight, I’m sure you saw it.
For sure, I know the first guy to beat Fedor is just gonna get the “he’s past his prime, who has he beaten in the last 5 years anyway?” treatment.
To make it easy I already have the reasons:
Fedor – over the hill and overrated
Brock – overhyped by the wrasslin crowd that think size is everything and don’t know anything about mma
Machida – one trick pony with his karate
Anderson Silva – Always hiding behind injuries , dodging the best contender until they knocked each other off or left the UFC.
GSP – How good could he have really been, he lost to Matt Serra
BJ – A bully. Lost everytime he moved up in weight and never fought the best LWs in the world who are actually fighting in Japan
Save this, it will come in handy in the future.
by John Nash on Mar 22, 2010 12:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
heehee
come on Anton – you “would be shocked if Vera was stopped by Jones” – so clearly you’re in no shape to be posting right now.
I'm not fit to be posting?
Luke Thomas is also not fit to be posting? Because Vera we based our analysis on the fact that has proven that he doesn’t get rocked/stopped easily?
how bout your posts?
Over Vera? Hell Yeah!
you really want to make your case for Vera by saying he could compete with Tito??
I’m not fit to be posting? SERIOUSLY? AWESOME ANALYSIS HIGH FIVE!
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 21, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think everyone's tensions are running a little too high
let’s all just take our pants off and let whatever happens happen.
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by Fake Emcee on Mar 21, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec
You gonna show that split wig you talked so much about?
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by slapjaw ackrite on Mar 22, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Beating Vera moves him into the top 15…but not the top 5 like some are posting tonight.
Nice move up, but let’s not overvalue it.
12-to-6 elbow strikes will remain outlawed
Because Jon Jones would split people’s brains in half. Just Jon Jones.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Yeouch! I don't think I've ever seen Vera that hurt before. Devastating elbow!
I knew Jones would win, but not like that. Impressive/
I don't want to lick any butt. - GSP
...x-rays.
I felt for Vera, that was a hard shot to the cranium.
by higgledy-piggledy on Mar 22, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I lol'd
"On March 27th GSP is gonna have to change his name to GPS, so he knows where he is."
-Dan Hardy
even though it won't happen it's still funny
by KingAtRock on Mar 22, 2010 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He will probably go back to “his old self” for that fight.
by xDieseLx on Mar 21, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No where. The UFC isn’t letting Vera go because he’s still a name and Strikeforce/Dream would snatch him up in a heartbeat.
I’d like to see Vera vs Gouveia
Gouveia was cut after the Belcher loss.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides, Gouveia would miss weight again.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Something I thought of
Shouldn’t both the Vera and Irving decisions been ruled no contests? Don’t the rules state that there will be absolutely no eye gouging, be it by fingers, elbows, or chin? When I get home I’ll have to look that up.
And I definitely think Jones is ready for the winner of Lil Nog/ Forest if they’ll take the fight.
by John Nash on Mar 21, 2010 11:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Lil Nog vs Jones would be nice to see.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 21, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't see Forrest being the winner either.
by John Nash on Mar 22, 2010 12:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
never doubt forrest
we’ve done it a million times before and it seems like hes always there to completely fuck our bets up
Yeah
except for that last time, that time it was almost like we expected except much worse.
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im talking about the times i bet against him though
shogun and rampage were supposed to be easy money…..
I think a gouge is different than a strike
Sudden sharp impact vs long sustained force. I’m not saying that one is necessarily more damaging than the other, but strike =/= gouge.
Unless of course I’m dead wrong.
Can we fairly leave Vera for dead now?
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by Mike Fagan on Mar 21, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He earned himself a spot in the prelim card next time he fights.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be fair. I believe he’s been given his fair share of chances by now.
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I think Dana gives him one more right.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
hes gonna have to renegotiate
hes not a top level lhw hes a mid level gatekeeper at best
So Jones has beaten mid level gatekeeper (at best)? You tell that to the people on his bandwagon…
by dancingChicken on Mar 22, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Bader cleans his clock....by unanimous decision.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't see that fight going any differently than Jones/Hamill
minus the illegal blows of course.
"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"
The topic was Vera/Bader.
But I won’t stop your raging extenze fueled love for Jon Jones get in the way of what we were discussing. ;-)
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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
All hail Fagan.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
jones has some nasty elbows
and he tossed vera like a rag doll the guys gotta be one of the strongest fighters at lhw
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by Tonley on Mar 21, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vera never went for the arm
but I was at least mildly concerned about Jones leaving himself exposed for some submissions. I wanted to see how he handled it once Vera went for it but that never actually happened. I have to wonder how that would have turned out with someone aggressive enough to go after an armbar.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
yea jones did look like he could fall prey to submissions
but its hard to submit someone though when one of those elbows gets u in the face
i dont think theres a submission artist at lhw who could fight through the beatdown of elbows to catch jones in anything, the top lhw guys arent exactly super dangerous submission experts
Rogerio
Nogueira toughness and subs.
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by slapjaw ackrite on Mar 22, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Jones might have been baiting him for something.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
I was reminded of GSP there
Remember how GSP said he kept his elbow on Penn’s stomach during their second fight? Seemed like a similar tactic to me.
Good call.
Jones would leave that arm out there and when Vera became preoccupied with it that is when Jones would rain down.
Whenever Vera seemed to be getting to close, Jones would switch positions or bail out.
It is easier to notice if you tune out the commentators yelling “OMGZ WATCH OUT FOR THE ARM! ARM BAR COMING UP!”
yea why is everyone downplaying this victory. Jones destryoing Hamiil was a huge win as well.
Look hype and everything does suck problem is this shit isnt hype.
Jones has just annihalted a real solid wreslter and one of the most talented guys in the division easily.
I don’t see anyone who is going to be able to deal with Jones’s wrestling. He ragdolled these guys. His long arms make his GNP unsurvivable.
Yeah he has the reach to destroy guys while postured up in guard. That was a huge win, and he should be no more than 1 or 2 wins from a title shot. No point making him fight 3 or 4 top ten guys to get there…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I think what can certainly be taken away
Is that Brandon Vera did not win more than 5 seconds of that round. Jones had his way for him from start to orbital breakage. Whether or not you think Vera is a top 10-15 or top 25 LHW, it was a dominant performance by a promising prospect.
You can also end any hope that Vera is going to be a contender.
Jones has great potential and he gets better every fight. Hype or no hype, Bones is no joke.
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Why does Vera suck all of a sudden? He is easily one of the most skilled fighters in LHW. That doesn’t always mean he is going to win but godamn I guess guys hate Jones or hate his hype or something.
Vera doesn’t suck. But this loss further solidifies him in the second or third tier of fighters (depending on how narrow your teirs) at 205.
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JEBUS!!!!
Vera talks too much.
A part of me was still rooting for Vera but MAN he is frustrating to watch! You know he is capable of more but he always disappoints.
One of the things you got to love about Jon Jones is that he doesn’t talk a lot of shit and seems grounded. He’s only 22! It’s crazy! Dude is a monster. Good job Mr. Jones a.k.a. Jesus…
sorry...
I shouldn’t say he always disappoints but it is disappointing that you know he’s got tonnes of skill and it’s just frustrating…
ARGH!
He has nobody to blame but himself.
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by SSreporters on Mar 21, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
well
i for one say we put bones jones vs… MINOWAMAN so that he can add another loss to his record :)
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
That was a MEAN Elbow. X-Ray needed
Jones looked good as expected. I still see him improving a lot more.
Damn that elbow was fierce, I felt it in my toes. I wouldn’t be surprised if something is broken or fractured on Vera head.
by higgledy-piggledy on Mar 22, 2010 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
Absolutely not.
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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Silva beats him by next level striking and Machida beats him by not being touched.
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by Neil Manich on Mar 22, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not jones striking. If his main skill was just his striking I don’t think he should be even considered a top guy yet. The wrestling he displayed and GNP is just next level shit.
true its really scary good
but when he steps up to the next level of competition lets sees how his wrestling fares
just thought of this matchup which would be real good id like to see him fight thiago silva, it’d be a real tough test for him with a great fighter
How would Silva do? Jones is taking him down no doubt. Silva gets up good but Jones is too big. He will control him much better than Rashad did. Rashad is tiny frame wise in LHW Bones is super uber big.
I wanna see if Bader can hold him off. If Jones blows thru Bader like Hammil LHW is done.
they're building bader the way they're building jones
and silva makes sense cause there would be virtually no layoff
bones isnt damaged at all trot him back out there i really dont wanna wait till september or october to see the guy fight again and if u want him against the rampage rashad or lil nog forrest winners thats how long u’d have to wait
I know that’s the only bad thing . They wanna build Bader.
Jones is too long and strong. I think he may ragdoll Bader as well. Shit how he he manhandled Hamill was just scary man. WTF
bader hasnt really looked that great either
sure hes got good wrestling and a good right hand but against the top guys at lhw i dont see him standing much of a chance
Im not buying into the Bader hype
Im not buying into the Bader hype.The guy has shit cardio and he will get swallowed up by upper tier fighters in late rounds.
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 22, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
P.S. Im not buying into the Bader hype
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 22, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
But how do you feel about the Bader hype?
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by slapjaw ackrite on Mar 22, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen Machida’s takedown defense? And every fight starts on the feet.
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by Neil Manich on Mar 22, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea I think machida has more of chance then Silva. I know Machida is sick. But this guy man I dunno. He just ragdolls people.
Perhaps Machida can win if he stays off his back. This is a bad fight for Anderson.
I won’t believe Jon would beat Silva, Shogun, or Machida until I see one more big win, but it’s not out of the question at all. I think Rampage or Nogueira would get destroyed.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 22, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones is behind Shogun, Rashad, Rampage, Rogerio and probably Randy for a title shot.
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 22, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
via flying gogoplata
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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
INVERTED REVERSE-SPINNING flying gogoplata + Heel Hook
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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Via maturity
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even though it won't happen it's still funny
by KingAtRock on Mar 22, 2010 12:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That elbow sounded like someone stepping on a sheet of glass.
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 22, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That was the sound of Jones smashing Vera’s fragile psyche.
by ufc4 on Mar 22, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
Vera was handed the perfect post-fight, pysche preserving response: an unlucky break*. He didn’t go to sleep or anything. Not that anyone besides Vera will believe that.
*Assuming it’s broken.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Don’t ever expect to see Jones stand and bang ever again. He is with Jackson now. His wrestling is off the charts. His GNP just made Hamill and Vera look like little boys being spanked. LHW is fucked. Jones is going to be the next GSP just better , much better.
Of course he's gonna be better
he’s got that extra bit of “explosiveness” and “athleticism” (wink wink, nudge nudge, get what I’m implying with the racial undertones?)
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hahaha. lets name some explosive and athletic white guys. Hmmm… Man the blacks aare going to take over this sport soon you know guys enjoy it while you can . No offense to black people but you guys already control basketball football and boxing leaves us alone!
Next we take the women
just warnin ya ;)
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You do realize the majority of belts in boxing are not held by african Americans. The majority of the titles for the heaviest 4 weight classes are currently owned by Europeans..
by John Nash on Mar 22, 2010 1:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay now your starting to sound like some kind of reverse Hitler.
"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"
that just confused the shit out of me. Reverse Hitler means huh?
Oh yea I get what ur saying. Have you not noticed that basketball football and boxing are dominated by blacks?
The black super atlete is the pinnacle of athletic success. There has never been anything like them.
Just because I say the word " black " doesn’t = racist. Lol. U guys are veryyyyy verryyy cautious. this day and age I understand but this is reality.
There's nothing to this scientifically
Melanin Theory is viewed as a pseudoscience today, and that’s all I’m gonna say here. I think you’re definitely toeing a Line, but what do I know :)
hmm. interesting. I think what I mean by the super athlete is not just that everyone black > all else at least in athletic terms.
My point is American Black is the most dominant athele in the world today. Athletic wise at least not neccesarily skill.
This would be more of what went on in our specific history Americans that is and certain breeding situations. Don’t want to get to deep into that I know BE does not appreciate anything going to far into race and what not but just so you get what I’m talking about.
yes, you guys are slowly going towards the limits,
you guys aren’t breaking the rules yet, but can we please not cross it? :)
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 22, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's just say it already
white men cant jump!
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by Fake Emcee on Mar 22, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The "you guys" makes me think I did something Wrongish
I’m not trying to say anything offensive or racial, just that skin color = athleticism is unfounded bunk. If I said anything offensive, please let me know what it was.
nothing yet really.
it’s just that race is a sensitive topic for people, and we try to limit the discussions on it so that people wouldn’t get into heated arguments that might offend some people.
so if you guys have something to say about it, say your piece, and then simply move on…
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 22, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Question
how is the “American” black the most dominate in the “world”
"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"
its not as if the super athlete doesnt occur in every race. they do , there are just more american black super athletes than normal.
Brock lesnar is surely a super athlete.
I wouldn’t consider Kongo a super athlete but he has great genetics for like bodybuilding.
The super athlete just comes in and destroys all sports.
Look at Brock Lesnar , anything he wants he can dominate.
guys like Anthony Johnson , Jones, Guillard all have the physical tools to dominate their division it is just about them putting their mind into it and reaching their full potential.
Jones is a good humble guy. He is very smart. Joining with jackson was the best thing he could have ever done. He is going to be the next dominant champ.
Look at Brock Lesnar , anything he wants he can dominate.
I’d love to see him do figure skating, but he’d think it’s “too gay”.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 22, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
The hype machine is working again
Why are people rushing this guy? The highest caliber opponent he has fought is Vera and now people are saying he’d smash any LHW? If he gets rushed into a title fight with Shogun/Machida, I don’t see it ending very well for him.
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