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Is Fedor Emelianenko's Management Damaging His Image While Lining Their Pockets?

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The business of the mixed martial arts has been the focal point for many critics and purists who believe that the "entertainment" side of the sport has caused us to forget that we should be seeking out the best fighters in the world, not the most exciting and "fun" match-ups. Unfortunately, promoters aren't always the culprits of deterring that formula from coming to fruition. Managers, other fighters, steroids, and battles over monetary compensation for a fighter's status in the MMA world all come into play as well, and for Strikeforce -- these issues could culminate into an annoying little subplot of greed that takes the greatest heavyweight of all-time out of the mix.

Things seemed to be going smoothly for Scott Coker leading into 2010. Strikeforce was able to put on a solid show with Fedor Emelianenko knocking out Brett Rogers in epic fashion in a surprisingly hard fought battle for the "The Last Emperor". Overeem was still receiving a lot of criticism from fans for not defending his belt, but it looks like he has actually come through on his word that he would fight for Strikeforce in the Spring as he's now rumored to be battling Rogers on the May 15th card.

Sounds like this is going according to plan, right? Fedor vs. Werdum and Overeem vs. Rogers would likely set up a championship clash between Overeem and Fedor for sometime late in 2010... which is what most people felt was the progression since Strikeforce wanted to get both men some face time in order to hype the fight down the road. Unfortunately, Fedor's manager, Vadim Finkelstein, is looking for a bigger payday and a better opponent:

"I personally think that Alistair Overeem did not reach the desired level to challenge Fedor. He beat a lot of no-name opponents in Mixed Martial Arts. Overeem defeated Paul Buentello and then disappeared from the United States for more than two year, which is simply ridiculous. Also, pay attention that Werdum beat Overeem when they were fighting in Pride, four years ago."

"We do not fight for the Strikeforce Heavyweight Title. Strikeforce are our partner, and any titles whether it is UFC, Strikeforce, WAMMA, Dream… they are just medals. Fedor is above these things. We are interested in the level of our opponent and his popularity among the audience."

"Exactly. We are more interested in fighting Josh Barnett, who is currently disqualified until September. When he returns from his suspension and if he tests clean, we might consider fighting him.

I'm one of the biggest Fedor fans out there. He was instrumental along with Wanderlei Silva in bringing me into this sport. But his management is becoming increasingly active in how I view Fedor, which shouldn't be the case at all.

Vadim is right in one aspect of his argument. Overeem hasn't beat any top talent in the past couple of years that would merit him a vote in the top ten heavyweight rankings. In fact, I'd challenge anyone to actually sit down and formulate any argument that puts Overeem in the top ten using any criteria besides maybe... top ten horse meat eaters.

Star-divide

UPDATE: The unconfirmed "steroid bully" translation is actually coming out as "generally ridiculous" or "ridiculous" to the line in question. Hat tip to BE Reader Michael for the translation below:

"I personally think Overeem has not reached the level of fighting Fedor just yet. It's partially caused by the fact he has no victories over top-ranked heavyweights in MMA plus his relative anonymity with casual MMA fans in the US. He fought just once in Strikeforce and then disappeared for over 2 years now. It's not enough to hold an event that would attract broad American audience's attraction. Werdum has recently fought 3 times under Strikeforce  where the Dutchman just once by beating Buentello and disappearing. It's ridiculous. Moreover, Werdum beat him back in 2006 in Pride already."

Luckily, Fedor is still in negotiations to fight on the May card alongside Overeem and Rogers against fellow PRIDE veteran Fabricio Werdum. An added bonus of Andrei Arlovski vs. Antonio Silva is also scheduled to take place on the card. Three big name heavyweight MMA battles on one major event should spell success for Strikeforce, but the coming months will be the major test.

Will Strikeforce and Showtime shell out more money for Fedor? It's tough to say. I would imagine they'd be willing to do so if Fedor impressively finishes Werdum and creates more buzz around his name to a North American audience. Overeem's hulking size and the American obsession with Herculean-like physiques should garner him some interest as well, and that will skyrocket with a destructive win over Rogers. The set-up for that showdown should easily entice the backers of Strikeforce to shell out the dough.

I imagine Vadim's comments are intended to stir the pot and create a potential reason to not signing an agreement to fight Overeem if both men win their fights in May. Fedor will move on to battle Barnett in DREAM for a big payday while Overeem will call out Fedor, fight K-1, and demolish sub par competition. By the end of the year, we might see that fight happen, but Fedor will either break his hand, avoid a championship battle at all costs to avoid a championship clause, or Overeem will get hurt. Either way, I don't see this fight ever happening. 

Some will say that Vadim and Fedor are ducking Overeem while others will believe this is only a ploy to get more money out of Strikeforce's backers. These comments are, however, becoming tiring to the hardcore fans who have stood by Fedor for so many years. This definitely can't be good for his image.

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Anyone who thinks Fedor doesn’t know what his management is doing is retarded. He is a grown ass man.

by dumbwhiteguy on Mar 2, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

It's open to interpretation

Like all great poets.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 2, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Then maybe as a grown man he could speak for himself?

by Worldisart on Mar 2, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Grown men make dumb decisions.

You hear all the time about big stars or famous people who get swindled by their management or their accountants. If it happens to other people, it could easily happen to Fedor. Anyone who thinks Fedor is impervious to such fallacies is naive.

The point is, good management should not trump the fighter. You never hear of GSP’s manager or Brock’s manager ever get mentioned. It’s all about the fighters. I know Fedor is part owner with M1 and it’s kind of a different situation, but the fact remains M1 is becoming more and more visible. I don’t know if its done like that by design, or if Fedor is wholeheartedly behind it or even gives a shit, but it is certainly distracting.

Unfortunately, Fedor’s manager, Vadim Finkelstein, is looking for a bigger payday and a better opponent

If M1 was looking for better pay and opponents, they should have gone with the UFC deal. But of course, they are vampires and want co-promotion. They only have a couple fighters under the SF banner, yet they’re calling the shots. It’s called wagging the dog.

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by pud333 on Mar 2, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Simply because Fedor owns stock in his management/fight company

Creates a conflict of interest for Fedor the “fighter.”

Sadly, M-1 and or Fedor hasn’t accepted as much..

I’m sure there’s more gray area in there somewhere that never gets attention..

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by MMAuthority on Mar 2, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If M1 was looking for better pay and opponents, they should have gone with the UFC deal. But of course, they are vampires and want co-promotion. They only have a couple fighters under the SF banner, yet they’re calling the shots. It’s called wagging the dog.

Right. It seems like they want two things that they can’t have in one deal. They have to choose in my mind, unless of course Showtime and Strikeforce actually give them the money.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Fedor got screwed by his last training camp Russian top team

It wouldn’t be surprising if Fedor is over a barrel with M1. He was getting his cheques rifled through by Russian Top Team when he was with them. I don’t know how he found out but I guess he lost tonnes of cash on that deal. Then he moved to Red Devils.

It wouldn’t be the first time he got pillaged.

by liptondrift on Mar 2, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I also would like to remind the world that Fedor get swept by Brett Rogers. Swept. By Brett Rogers.

by dumbwhiteguy on Mar 2, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

BR is no joke though

Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension

by Orcus on Mar 2, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

but seriously…how did he sweep Fedor? That just doesn’t make sense.

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t even remember that, but if he did, than dude got skills.

Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension

by Orcus on Mar 2, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Fedor was going for a kimura, and rolled himself. That isn’t to say that Rogers isn’t strong as hell, but if Fedor hadn’t gone for the arm, I doubt he would have ended up on his back.

by Ephemeral Artery on Mar 2, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, only because his body weight shifted to attempt the arm lock.

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by fedorade on Mar 2, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll assume that is sarcasm...

but it looked to me like Fedor went for the arm and turned off of Rogers. That’s just my opinion, though.

by Ephemeral Artery on Mar 2, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

What does that have to do with his management?

And for the record, yeah Brett Rogers swept him. Maybe we should put an asterisk beside Fedor’s KO victory in that fight then?

by Worldisart on Mar 2, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

brett rogers wasnt exactly a world beater when fedor faced him, but brett suddenly became legit when he lasted more than a round with fedor

by montiel3 on Mar 2, 2010 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Brett Rogers became legit when he beat AA, don’t fool yourself.

by Worldisart on Mar 2, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

im not saying brett rogers isnt legit. im saying that it is ridiculous to say that overeem has beat no names when the only legit fighter brett fought was arlovski. the message isnt exactly clear in my first post but it is there

by montiel3 on Mar 2, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

but even then, he didn’t really last against Fedor, he gave him a hell of a fight.

Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension

by Orcus on Mar 2, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

we can agree to disagree, because when i watched that fight with all of my non mma fan friends they all seen a 265+ lb man get thrown across the cage by a chubby russian. and as much as it pains me to say it, that was all i seen as well. the only offense brett offered was when he landed those punches when he swept fedor. now if you ask me that doesnt exactly offer a “hell of a fight” to me.

by montiel3 on Mar 2, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i generally agree with you

but i feel bad for brett. i think if he’d actually had the chance to prove himself in tough struggles instead of vaulting to the front of the line after a non-fight with arlovski he would have had a real shot of beating fedor. as it is this was another fight in fedors recent past where he made some major mistakes and it nearly cost him.

by K Krush on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly, i wish they would have given brett some time build up his skill set instead of throw him in there with fedor. i agree that beating arlovski in 22 seconds is an accomplishment all in its own but it didnt really give any fans a chance to see if brett had the skills to beat fedor

by montiel3 on Mar 2, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Fedor ALWAYS makes mistakes...

But he also always (with one exception that proves the rule) wins.

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by pdl on Mar 2, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

we’ll agree to disagree then, because I thought that fight was very competitive until the end.

Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension

by Orcus on Mar 2, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

he wasn't?

the dude who’s got 11 fights under his belt and 9 KOs and 1 sub, and only lost to Fedor? Granted his competition was not always great, but he proved himself against AA and Fedor.

Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension

by Orcus on Mar 2, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t really care to see Fedor fight ever again to be honest. Stop wasting money on him and let him go sink Dream.

by nastyem on Mar 2, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

you say this now but whenever fedor fights, you’ll watch.

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not talking greatness. I’m addressing the fact that people can say they won’t watch a fighter but when push comes to shove they will. Boxing fans say it about Mayweather and everytime he has a fight a million + tune in.

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

im pretty sure no one except the hardcore fans pushes or shoves when fedor is fighting though

by montiel3 on Mar 2, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Mayweather holds great interest with the casual crowd because of his mouth. People want to see him lose. Fedor has no such mouth or personality to think of, and minimal casual interest.

Worse yet, the hardcore fans he does have are all aware of the Vadim/M-1 hijinx which are starting to turn them off too.

by nastyem on Mar 2, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

This is why he kills promotions

by pl4tinum on Mar 2, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You're sort of right, but sort of wrong.

I’d watch him on CBS, for free. Sure, I’m a “hardcore” fan so I guess i’d be watching that card anyway.

Otherwise, I’ve never paid to see the guy fight, and if he went to Dream or elsewhere I’d probably never watch him again. I’d be happy enough reading a Dream or M-1 card recap and looking at the .gif.

by nastyem on Mar 2, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

You won’t watch DREAM? What is wrong with you? Dream rules.

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by pdl on Mar 2, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I watch select Dream fights that I’ll download a few weeks later. But I doubt that counts for much as far as fandom goes. I love kikuno and kawajiri.

by nastyem on Mar 2, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't expect everyone to watch DREAM live

but saying you won’t watch him ever again if he goes there is potentially blasphemy and absolutely madness.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 2, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm perfectly calm, sir.

It was a 300 reference. You were supposed to reply THIS! IS! BLOODY ELBOW! or something like that before somehow push-kicking me into a bottomless oblivion (Sherdog).

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
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by pdl on Mar 2, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

you mean a teep?

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I almost said that

then realized I’ll go to any length to not sound like Goldberg. Almost used Greg Jackson’s “snap kick” and was trying to remember what Mir always calls it…

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
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by pdl on Mar 2, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

what about a check kick?

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you!

Guess I’m not the only person to recently rewatch WEC 37?

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by pdl on Mar 2, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Not all of can watch Dream

I can’t get Direct TV in HD where I currently live so I have no choice in the matter since HD Net isn’t carried by Comcast.

by Roll for Life on Mar 3, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh man.

Prepares for 150+ unoriginal comments only tangentially related to the article.

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by pdl on Mar 2, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

SHUT UP BROCKLESNAR WOULD KILL FEDOR

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Mar 2, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

(Prepares for 150+ unoriginal comments only tangentially related to the article.)

When writing a parenthetical you should really place it in parentheses.

by John Nash on Mar 2, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the what turns MMA fans off about Fedor’s management is they seem to operate in the same manner as management teams in boxing.

by Worldisart on Mar 2, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

WHOOOOO!!!!

Keep firing Assholes!

Blackout is always right

by Ubernoober on Mar 2, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If only......

Frank Mir had directed his recent comments towards Fedor’s management.

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by kenpoboy67 on Mar 2, 2010 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

I thought this was settled. Fedor don’t need no stinkin’ Ferrari or mansion. All Fedor cares about is a little good ole’ fashioned Banya…

I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.

by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

by xFenixKnightx on Mar 2, 2010 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

Vadim calls Overeem a “steroid bully” with the sole basis that his physique is huge

Didn’t this turn out to be a mistranslation/fabrication?

by An0nymous on Mar 2, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

I thought it was just removed by the website.

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.

by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

by xFenixKnightx on Mar 2, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

???

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 2, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

is that cam? lol

You Mad?

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Mar 2, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

xD indeed

"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"

by blubber_guard on Mar 2, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Same...

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

In one statement by M-1...

they just validated all the baseless speculation and criticism of Fedor and his career path since the decline of Pride.

by Koob on Mar 2, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

i seriously doubt

that we’ll ever see a prime fedor in the ufc, they are going to move from one fight org
to another, all the while trying to project an image as a major mma company, and line their pockets as much as they can

by theblade on Mar 2, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

how can it line m-1's pockets

without lining fedor’s pockets? again, we’re making m-1 out to be sneaky weasels, but fedor is m-1 and therefore is a sneaky weasel. a greedy, sneaky weasel well aware that tactical retreats and handpicked fights are the only well he’ll stay relevent in the current mma climate.

by K Krush on Mar 2, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

I think the point is that Fedor’s career is being managed for the best interests of M-1 as a whole and net necessarily the best interests of Fedor as an individual. The two are separate things despite Fedor’s involvement with M-1.

by Worldisart on Mar 2, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It will line Fedor’s pockets as well, but M-1 takes quite a cut from the co-promotional aspect of the events and adding in a fight that they are pushing as a super fight with Barnett in Japan will only add to the money they make. To be perfectly honest, I think they are pushing Fedor a bit much if they think he’ll fight Werdum, Barnett, and Overeem within the year.

If that isn’t the case, I think the line that Fedor is potentially trying to avoid being locked into a contract with Strikeforce if he becomes champ is a solid argument. Not sure I am for or against that by any means. The guy commands huge money, and he doesn’t want to be restricted.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

All of these M-1 quotes and press releases strike me as very unusual. It’s so out of step with how Fedor presents himself. How many times has Fedor spoken about respect being one of the cornerstones for his negotiation with the UFC? Have we ever heard Fedor directly bad-mouth or slam an opponent? Or even any other fighter for that matter? In fact, I can’t remember one single negative comment he’s ever personally made, yet for the past two weeks it seems like everytime M-1 speaks, a giant wad of shit falls out. Something here doesn’t make sense, and there seems to be a genuine disconnect between Fedor and his management.

by WestbergIDFC on Mar 2, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

I've felt like that for a long time

Everytime Fedor acts humble or unassuming in interviews you have Vadim or Millen talking about how he is by far the greatest thing ever and deserves tons of money, endless respect, repealing of Heliocentricity and angels for breakfast.

It’s so inconsistant. On one hand, Fedor seems sincere and I WANT him to be sincere. On the other, it seems impossible he doesn’t know and or have control over what his “handlers” say.

by Chris Barton on Mar 2, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

fedor/fedors management

are starting to resemble the anderson silva/silva camp of strikeforce.

by TheWaker on Mar 2, 2010 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

Except when the UFC threw middling challenges at Silva (Cote, Leites) he fought them. And when he realizes that fighting these guys severely tarnishes his image and his income, he decides to do something about it. The result—a fight with former a LHW champ that restores his image as the black Bruce Lee and also makes him mad coin.

Fedor/Fedor’s management are doing nothing but turning down the best available talent as opponents, making hypocritical statements about why, almost intentionally tarnishing Fedor’s image, and hurting their income. This is the antithesis to Silva’s management strategy.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 2, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn’t help Strikeforce at all really… which is a good point. The statements also make M-1 feel more like a management company rather than another promotion in my mind.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, that’s not necessarily a bad thing for M1, or for Fedor, but it doesn’t mesh with the story they’ve been telling, so it might hurt his image among the hardcore fans.

by Phildo on Mar 2, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, I’ve heard a lot of hardcore fans particularly pissed about these comments. Past comments not so much, but for some reason — these comments have struck a nerve. Interesting to say the least. People are growing tired of this.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Guy has limited casual interest to begin with and the hardcores who did support him are turning on him.

by nastyem on Mar 2, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It just doesn’t make sense… It’s becoming more difficult to believe that Fedor is some good-natured goat-herder that gets a letter in the mail when he’s supposed to fight…

For me, it’s becoming harder and harder to seperate him from his management. And that…is a real bummer.

by WestbergIDFC on Mar 2, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

These comments touch a lot of nerves when it comes to the hardcore fans. Causing problems with the “next Pride” of the month Strikeforce, and then eying a fight with Barnett, who has the scarlet letter on his chest from getting popped for steroids, and is also evil because he killed* last year’s "next pride’ in Affliction

by Phildo on Mar 2, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

My thoughts exactly.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

you hit the nail on the head. Also one thing thats starting to get on people nerves Dana is starting to look like the good guy in the business. Before it was evil Dana screwing the fighters out of their money vs the humble little russian who smashes people but now its the humble little russian turns out to be a wolf in sheeps clothing and is pulling his security truck in the back of every promotions door filling it up with money and then fucks off.

Heres what i believe the trouble is overeem is making some small waves ane is starting to get prople interested in this fight and also Fedor is just starting to break into the US market in a meaningful way ( which is still debatable) but if a fight with overeem happens and Fedor gets smashed all that cloak and dagger type fucking around with promotions is lost due to the mystique being gone before he (m1 rather) can cash in on the US market.

by Riley_96 on Mar 2, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Partners?

Wow. Nothing better for business than ripping the champion of your “partners” organization. M-1 is becoming the number one ranked organization for the sport of foot-in-mouth competition.

My one hope in all of this is that Big Bad Brett Rogers puts a hurtin on Overeem and this whole “build up” comes crashing down and we actually start seeing fighters fight in the cage more often because of it.

by NateDouble on Mar 2, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Yes. End of conversation.

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-Samuel Goldwyn

by fedorade on Mar 2, 2010 2:26 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Nuff said.

"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."

by spectaa on Mar 2, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

“As bent as the Soviet sickle and as hard as the hammer that crosses it.”

by DamnSevern on Mar 2, 2010 2:35 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1 for a snatch ref.

by Beren on Mar 2, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The Barnett fight is worth more money. It’s the biggest fight possible in Japan. FEG will lay down some yen for that one. M-1 is correct. The StrikeForce belt means shit.

by MrJobro on Mar 2, 2010 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

Fighting Barnett is a win/win for Fedor.

If Fedor wins he can claim another top 2 victim and if he loses he does it in Japan and can say he roided.

by Riney on Mar 2, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Accomplishments in relevant martial arts should be considered when gauging ability is a mixed martial artist. To say that Overeem is only in the top ten only when qualified by alleged steroid use is petty and naive.

by Super Dingus on Mar 2, 2010 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

no it should not. Im sorry but K-1 isnt MMA, ADCC isnt MMA.

Guys like Vinny M is amazing at grappling but once he hits the cage every thing goes to shit and he loses. MMA is a different monester then all the rest of the sports.

by Riley_96 on Mar 2, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Overeem isn’t top ten period. No matter how you slice it.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

cept via the USA Today rankings!

:P

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, we have no control over that… but the IWMMA rankings that I’m a part of has the same problem. It’s purely based on who beat who and wins and losses, yet Overeem gets votes. Ignorance.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

There is an activity correction and of course, the more relevant fights are the most recent. Overeem at HW is not top ten.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

According to your rankings he’s not. So you believe that the only reason he would be ranked by MMA weekly, Yahoo or USA Today or any other organization is soley ignorance? Really?

by Super Dingus on Mar 2, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

According to which rankings? IWMMA or BloodyElbow.com’s?

MMA Weekly, Yahoo!, and even our own USAT/SBN rankings, which compiles various websites, are all wrong unless you are actually counting Overeem’s K-1 action in MMA RANKINGS, which is absurd.

Look who he’s beaten.

He lost to Kharitonov in his second HW fight. Beat Paul Buentello (barely top 20 fighter), Lee Tae Hyun, Mark Hunt (terrible), No Contest to Mirko (doesn’t actually COUNT as a L or W), Gary Goodridge, Tony Sylvester, James Thompson, and wait for it… Fujita.

That is not a top ten fighter, and you could almost argue barely top 20. A ranking shouldn’t factor in popularity, K-1 fights, general skill, beefiness, horse meat ingestion, or any other ridiculous factor.

So, yes. I claim that those rankings are completely and utterly ignorant for ranking Alistair Overeem at anywhere in the top ten. Our own rankings here at BloodyElbow.com are compiled from a laundry list of sites. We can’t sit around telling them how to rank, so obviously… they all have their own criteria.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rankings, from what I thought and apparently I’m alone here, should include general skill and demonstrated ability in MMA. It seems like the rankings you’re mentioning are a means of computing the value of someone’s fighting record, not their ability as fighters.

Which is fine, it’s the safer (and probably easier) route. But I just need to remind myself that whenever someone claims that Alistair Overeem isn’t a top 10 fighter, it’s by way of computing his recent record in MMA. Not as a method of measuing ability or evaluating perormance inside the fights or gauging someone’s performance in martial arts.

That I can understand, I just didn’t realize that’s what I was arguing against.

by Super Dingus on Mar 2, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, it seems futile to me to not consider his performance against Mirko Cro Cop because it was a no contest. Nut shots or no (and there were good few of them) he was getting dominated.

by Super Dingus on Mar 2, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

we’re talking two different ways to determining their rank, but Overeem has done jack all in MMA to warrant a top ten ranking.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

In the last two years of professional MMA, sure. In mixed martial arts, I’d disagree obviously. But at least I understand your stance now. Thank you.

by Super Dingus on Mar 2, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

God damn it, I wish there was a way to edit. I’m not suggesting that general skill should be the only metric for rankings, just that it should be included.

by Super Dingus on Mar 2, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Good lord, no. My contention has been that if an MMA fighter develops an individual martial art outside of MMA competitions, it should be given some level of credence towards evaluating him as a mixed martial artist.

Pure wrestlers or professional boxers are not mixed martial artists. Or maybe you’re just trolling. Whatever.

by Super Dingus on Mar 2, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

only evaluation that should be given is when he kicks someones ass that means something.

by Riley_96 on Mar 2, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

So why isn’t Manny Pacquiao ranked too then?

by ufc4 on Mar 2, 2010 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He's not a heavyweight

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 2, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m trying to have a lucid discussion on this. If that was a serious question, which I doubt, I’ll answer it. But please, I don’t understand why this such a strange stance to hold. That development of a martial art that is part of practical MMA should only be given credit if developed soley inside MMA competitions.

by Super Dingus on Mar 2, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, I know you were trolling but I should clarify my stance. If an established MMA fighter makes strides in single aspects of his game while still training others (which AO and many others do while focusing on boxing or muay thai or the ADCC) it seems unreasonable to not account for said fact when evaluating them.

by Super Dingus on Mar 2, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Fedor

2.???

3. Profit!

Seems like that’s all M-1 wants to do with fedro.

'Ello G'vnor!

by IHateMMA on Mar 2, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

He beat a lot of no-name opponents in Mixed Martial Arts.

Who exactly has Barnett beat?

A split over Nog that was avenged shortly afterwards.
A win over couture where he pissed hot before AND after the fight.

Barnett is the HW’s Hendo. Ranked on name value alone because he has no major wins to hang his career on.

by Paradoxx on Mar 3, 2010 1:07 AM EST reply actions  

Lack of respect for promotions

One of the statements that I disliked the most was:

“We do not fight for the Strikeforce Heavyweight Title. Strikeforce are our partner, and any titles whether it is UFC, Strikeforce, WAMMA, Dream… they are just medals. Fedor is above these things.”

You listen to most fighters and they would do anything to win a belt and often breakdown with emotion when they finally do. This statement shows such a lack of respect for promotions I can’t see how any would want to sign Fedor/M1. At least Lesnar is actually proud to be UFC champ and thinks it’s an honor.

by Roll for Life on Mar 3, 2010 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

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