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Boxing Writers Talk Ricardo Mayorga's MMA Chances

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SB Nation's own The Boxing Bulletin wrote a piece looking at Ricardo Mayorga's foray into the MMA game.  Some of the big points from the piece:

Despite the nickname "El Matador", there's very little polish about the way Mayorga boxes.  He's the very opposite of a fundamentally sound fighter, as technical craft has always taken a back seat to raw power, and pure instinct.  While that snarling approach to prize fighting may have hurt him against sharper opponents in the boxing ring, I believe it could work reasonably well in the early stages of his MMA career because of the fear factor.

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Thomas seems like a strange opponent. He's a solid fighter who can handle himself standing up, but also has a black belt in jiu-jitsu. Why would you put a potential money maker in with a guy who could potentially embarrass him? This fight could very well be as quick and predictable as I'm sure many MMA fans say it will be. Then again, Mayorga has been anything but predictable throughout his roller coaster of a career.

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...it's hard for me to believe that Mayorga can still comfortably make 155 lbs at this stage of his career, and Thomas has recently fought at 145. For those who don't know, the former boxing champ last made weight (153.5) in September 2008, but was likely closer to 170 lbs when he stepped in the ring.

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To have a chance of winning the fight he's obviously got to stay off the mat. Normally I would say that's impossible against a ground fighter of Thomas' skill level, but Ricardo is a very strong man who should be able to handle himself quite well in the clinch. Actually, I've always thought that could have been one of his strengths in the boxing ring, but that part of fisticuffs has become a bit of a grey area these days. If I was his trainer I'd have him working on holding and hitting (or "dirty boxing") like crazy, as well as sprawls and achieving underhooks to stay upright.

Clearly the narrative here is the same as with most boxers coming into MMA.  Can the boxer develop enough anti-grappling to be able to find openings for his punches?  What about dealing with kicks?

Scott Christ of Bad Left Hook chimed in with his thoughts in a piece last week:

This is a boxing/MMA idea I actually like. Mayorga is a pure brawler no matter what sport he's in. His limits in MMA are more glaring (I assume, anyway) than his limits in boxing, but he was no ring genius in boxing either. He's got nasty power, though, and with those small gloves he can turn lights out in a hurry. Thomas is a good fighter, probably on the downside of his career, but tactically should have almost all the advantages against Ricardo. Din has been fighting on small cards since his last UFC appearance in 2008, a loss to Josh Neer. He's been fighting professionally since 1998, stays in good shape, and unless he's hit fast, has got to be the overwhelming favorite against Mayorga.

I've talked a lot about the promotional aspects of the bout to this point and I'm glad that Scott and Lee were both able to chip in their thoughts on the more technical aspects of Mayorga's game.  From what I've seen his punches are wide but Lee makes a point in the Boxing Bulletin piece that his timing and anticipation have allowed him to get away with the winging punches.

However, there are many more moving pieces to the mixed martial arts game that make that timing harder to carry over.  If they're standing and trading punches then maybe it represents an opportunity to try and place a punch.  But he's going to have to also have developed a sense of timing against kicks to the legs, body and head as well as timing that allows for him to defend against takedowns.

I'm not saying I don't think there is an opportunity for Mayorga to win.  He is able to hit with shocking power and it isn't going to take a perfect connection to do some real damage.  It all comes down to if he can get comfortable enough with his defensive game against kicks and takedowns to not try to rush finding a spot for a punch.

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Solid piece Brent

The way he will deal with kicks will be very telling. You can’t just get used to kicks to the thigh in 3 months. Din should just shoot for a takedown but I don’t think he will do that.

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

I'm intrigued by this match

Mayorga is a day or two past his sell by date, but he is, as the boxing writers point out, the kind of slugger who’s always a threat to land the KO punch.
I’m mostly thrilled by MMA getting more and better boxers into the game. I’m still holding out hope that David Haye will come through on his threats to seriously train MMA for a year or two and fight while he’s still at or near his athletic peak.
But in the meantime, Mayorga is a huge improvement over Ray Mercer and James Toney.

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by Kid Nate on Mar 2, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

I’m hoping for Kermit Citron to cross over. He used to wrestle. Would have an easier cross over than a lot of other fighters.

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

he made some noise about it a while back

i was surprised that dana white dissed him so hard in response.

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by Kid Nate on Mar 2, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I think after dealing with James Toney, Dana would take back all the bad things he said about Kermit. Him and Kelly Pavlick (sp?) would be eas(ier) crossovers than a guy like Manny or Floyd or RJJ because they at least understand wrestling. But the big issue will be can they deal with leg kicks. First time you get blasted in the thigh, you want to just quit.

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The leg kicks are a factor but it’s not just leg kicks. It’s all kicks. You’re not able to watch the same things to look for a punch and your opponent knows you’re not taking them down…so they can throw head kicks and body kicks with little worry.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 2, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this, but like for a boxer, their power is generate from the legs/hips. One still kick to the thigh and you just took away 50% of his power. That’d be my strategy against any boxer coming into MMA. It’s a bitch move but it’s not my fault they don’t know how to check kicks.

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

First time you get blasted in the thigh, you want to just quit.

This. Hard to understand until you’ve felt it. And then you don’t want to feel it again.

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by kenpoboy67 on Mar 2, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

First time I was kicked in the thigh was when helping a guy out for a fight. I was brought in to help with wrestling and he kicked me in the leg that I shot off of. I went down and just rolled out of the ring. Sucks so much.

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d love to see Haye decide to give it a go and maybe go train at a wrestling based camp like Minnesota Martial Arts Academy. He doesn’t need a ton of work on his hands, he just needs to figure out how to remain standing so that he can use them. My worry is that Haye, being a Brit, will want to work at a place over in England that lacks real, high-level wrestlers.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 2, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe the Wolflair will turn him into a takedown machine like Bisping thinks he is now.

by SilverNBlackZach! on Mar 2, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

i have always liked him

Have y’all ever heard that story how he knocked a horse out that kicked him. LOL I always thought that was funny true or not true.

by Rayce. on Mar 2, 2010 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the clinch in boxing and mma are vastly different. it always amazes me to hear people compare apples and oranges. the clinch in boxing where you’re expressly forbidden to hold/hit…it’s like comparing the muay thai clinch to the boxing clinch….again, vastly different.

“he’s so strong. he’ll be hard to take down”….ala how many guys who have walked into a gym for the first time and been repeatedly taken down/tossed by guys with experience in wrestling, judo, sambo, whatever…….

Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.

by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 2, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

mayorga is way past his prime and no longer a relevant contender in boxing but he can without a doubt turn din’s lights out with one shot with either of his hands. din would be a fool to try and trade with him.

however mayorga throws nasty and wild haymakers at times, should be easy for din to take him down and submit him.

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by sonofapsycho on Mar 2, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

If din remembers he is a black belt it will be a short night.

I would like to see a flying leg scissors to heel hook personally. Where is the tobikan judan when you need him?
Does mayorga still have good hand speed I haven’t seen him fight in forever. Could he just go in there and belfort din?

by Rayce. on Mar 2, 2010 11:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

he never really threw those fast straight punches

like Belfort. Mayorga thows wild crazy haymakers.

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by Kid Nate on Mar 2, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

But he does have a chin like God’s jockstrap so Din better be thinking take-down and not attempt to exploit the holes in Ricardo’s looping punches.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Mar 2, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

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