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UFC 111 vs. Wrestlemania: The Fight for Canada

Gsp2_2bspot_medium_mediumUFC 111 takes place on March 27, a day before the WWE's biggest event of the year, Wrestlemania.  Competing with WWE on PPV is nothing new for the UFC, they do it all the time.  The most interesting story of the weekend is whether Georges St. Pierre can draw a bigger number in Canada than Bret Hart's return to wrestling against Vince McMahon.

Dave Meltzer has a lot of valuable information on the race between Bret and GSP in Canada this week in his newsletter:

An interesting note is that both these shows in theory should do their biggest per capita business in Canada. The Hart vs. McMahon story, more because of Hart and secondarily because the incident was in Montreal, and became far more of a mainstream news story, means far more in that country.

GSP has drawn the three biggest buy rates of any kind in the history of Canada, with the two biggest in his last two fights. UFC 111 right now is trending 24% ahead of Mania in the U.S., with Arizona being the WWE strong point. In Canada, UFC 111 is tripling Mania as of this week. Bret Hart, on the other hand, trends stronger than GSP by 14% in Canada this year, with Montreal and Vancouver the only major markets in GSP’s favor. But in the past week, GSP has tripled that of Hart.

St. Pierre's strength as a PPV draw in Canada is something to behold: he first set the Canadian PPV record against Matt Serra in 2008, and went on to set it again at both UFC 94 and UFC 100.  It will be interesting to see how well he draws in Canada against Dan Hardy, who is nowhere near the draw BJ Penn was.  I don't know anybody that sees Dan Hardy as a legitimate threat to St. Pierre, and it's not as if this card is anywhere near the epic card that UFC 100 was.  If St. Pierre breaks the record again against Dan Hardy, it will go a long way in cementing St. Pierre as the top drawing star in the UFC.

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EPIC.

Brett Hart vs GSP.
I Frank Mir and HBK to win.

I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand

by vivero on Mar 19, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

i want

I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand

by vivero on Mar 19, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

To capture the attention of fans who might otherwise tune into Wrestlemania, the UFC will be airing a special Countdown show that will feature St. Pierre, dressed as a mountie, attacking Hardy backstage with a cattle prod.

Also featuring a special message from Shane Carwin telling kids to say their prayers and eat their vitamins, and Frank Mir training with special guest coach New Jack.

by Verklemptomaniac on Mar 19, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

You either are a wrestling fan or you are not by the time you can order a PPV on your own.

If you have to order it via your parents, chances are Bret Hart doesnt mean shit to you anyways.

I’ve never been a wrestling fan, so there is no way I will be ordering any WWE PPV ever, but at the same time if someone is a long term wrestling fan and MMA fan they will order both regardless.

by DirtyML on Mar 19, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know what it’s like to juggle between two different types of PPV’s as i don’t watch wrasslin anymore, and rarely boxing. But, I do know what it’s like to have to pick between which MMA cards I want to order, as some of us will have to do soon. I imagine there are people out there who want to order both Wrestlemania and UFC 111…but will have to decide on only one for financial reasons…but I think this is a very minuscule number of people. But even the kids who want both because they are fans of both might be told be their parents they only get to choose one…

"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke

"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth

One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.

by zakkree on Mar 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or if i were their parents...

“Go detassle some friggin corn and buy it yourself…”

"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke

"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth

One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.

by zakkree on Mar 19, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

"detassle"?

Im a hick and aint never heard this one. Similar to “shucking” corn?

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 19, 2010 9:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Seriously?

In Illinois, it was like the only way to make money at age 13…
You just walked through the cornfield and ripped out the white tassle things on top of the corn plant.
It wasn’t the most pleasant occupation I’ve had, that’s for sure.

"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke

"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth

One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.

by zakkree on Mar 19, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I suppose that helps with harvesting machines? Here we pull the ears by hand, shuck them and then run over them with air blowers. Corn isnt really mass-harvested here like in the midwest

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 20, 2010 2:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

An interesting note is that both these shows in theory should do their biggest per capita business in Canada.

Dana white has gone on record saying all UFC events do their hight per capita in Canada. He has specifically mentioned the Greater Toronto Area as the biggest market, but also stated UFC in general is bigger in Canada per Capita.

by truck on Mar 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

While the Sportsnet TV Channel award is nice,

GSP, unfortunately, has never won the Lou Marsh Award (Awarded since the 1930s) for Canadian Athlete of the Year:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Marsh_Trophy

by dv8shun on Mar 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is true, but for good reason... Which of the voting members cover MMA?
The voting panel consists of eleven registered voters including representatives from the Toronto Star, the Canadian Press, FAN590, the Globe and Mail, CBC, Rogers Sportsnet, CTV/TSN, La Presse and the National Post.

by truck on Mar 19, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad the Toronto Sun doesn't get a vote

they have a section on weekends devoted to MMA.

by Bar Belle on Mar 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness at the very least Sportsnet, CTV/Tsn and the National Post all cover MMA.

by ChrisBat on Mar 19, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck, Hart is back? Did not expect that.

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.

by lowellthehammer on Mar 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

crossover fans

I seriously think it is weird that there are that many.

by cagefightonacid on Mar 19, 2010 3:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

My MMA fandom rooted from boxing and watching WWF.

I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand

by vivero on Mar 19, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really. I get it for free though I am not a fan as I used to be. I barely watch it.

I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand

by vivero on Mar 19, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is kind of funny my room mate is a closet WWE fan.

He always tells me about things he saw one Raw when he was “flipping channels”. Including who is coming back, (Brett Hart)… Who is hosting Raw (Stone Cold) but he doesn’t admit to watching…

by truck on Mar 19, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

II’ll be watching Mania, ita a habit.

I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand

by vivero on Mar 19, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can understand this

but THAT many people?? i like mma because i like seeing martial arts… mixed.

by cagefightonacid on Mar 19, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really surprising to me...

A lot of MMA marketing mimics pro wrestling style advertising and many people love storylines that involve people that are eventually going to do there best to beat the hell out of each other (whether the actual fighting is staged or not).

If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants

by Tonley on Mar 19, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this mean GSP is gonna spit in Danas face when he doesn’t tap and Herb Dean calls for the bell???

by IRodC on Mar 19, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Dan ‘ardy may not be seen as a credible threat, but don’t underestimate his ability to make people want to tuen in to see GSP open a can of whoopass on him.

Keep firing Assholes!

Blackout is always right

by Ubernoober on Mar 19, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Gruching

but does any of WWE’s target audience really know who [GSP]Bret ‘art[/GSP] is? They aim their product at kids. Bret Hart is someone only old school wrestling fans know. He cant wrestle because he is about to drop dead in his 50’s.

Yeah I think UFC 111 is pretty safe. I understand that Wrestlemania is one of them nostalgic events but I doubt Bret Hart is gonna make it draw more then usual.

by Roujam on Mar 19, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

If you're like me

… you grew up watching rasslin, still keep an eye on who’s hot and who’s not, and occasionally watch a Wrestlemania or a Royal Rumble with friends. But the place pro wrestling had in our adolescent hearts is easily usurped by MMA in adulthood.

There’s no question who’s getting my ppv dollar next weekend.

GSP!!!

by pancakehead on Mar 19, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

^This

I’ll leave Raw on if Im working on a Monday nite and just want some noise while studying, but I havent paid attention in about 5 years. Sometimes I’ll watch TNA because Sting is one of my two childhood heroes, even though theyve ruined his character. The last ppv I ordered was the mania with Hogan vs. The Rock, just for the sheer mafnitude of the event

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 19, 2010 9:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This really isn’t the interesting story in Canada. The interesting story is MMA vs hockey. Hockey is a a bit of a religion in Canada. But I was absoluty shocked the first time I went to a bar and all of the screens except 2 were tuned to a UFC event and on the other two screens were a hockey game and some thing else I don’t remember. Hockey got totally kicked to the curb. That is the battle that needs to be watched in the great white north.

If this event sets a new PPV record in Canada it will be more a sign of the growth of MMA than of the event or GSP. GSP was already as popular as he can get in Canada.

by j.villain on Mar 19, 2010 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

As a Canadian

My sense is hockey’s popularity is far more widespread. But with hundreds of games a season, and hockey all over free tv, no bar is charging a cover to sit and watch hockey. But with only 14-16 UFC ppv’s per year, when they charge $5 or $10 per head, you can bet the screens will be 99% UFC. The only thing that would trump it would be Stanley Cup finals, Olympic medal game, or World Junior medal game.

by pancakehead on Mar 20, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bret Hart

Was a childhood hero of mine, and I’m not Canadian. First time I had a conversation with someone about wrestling in years was about him coming back (this is of course, excluding BROCKLESNAR) so, I think for some people, this Wrestlemania is a big deal…but UFC should still win in Canada. GSP is huge.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by Kaleb Kelchner on Mar 20, 2010 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

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