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Quote of the Day: Gabriel Gonzaga - "I'm Not Afraid of Trading Strikes"

Marco Alvan (Team Link head coach) - "To pick dos Santos as the favorite is stuff for fans or people who don't follow the sport. Gonzaga is the better athlete overall. Who will win? Inside the Octagon we'll know. For Gonzaga, being doubted is one more motivation for him to give his best performance ever. We're training in the mountains of Utah and he's going to knock dos Santos out."

Gabriel Gonzaga - "My victory would be the ideal move towards what I want, the title shot. Getting close to it pumps me up. I've been training since 2001 and I'm not afraid of trading strikes with anyone on this planet. Although I have much more experience on the ground, I don't underestimate him there. Man, let's play and see who hits harder and has the best submissions."

-- Gabriel Gonzaga is energized for another title run.

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Just like he wasn’t afraid to trade with Carwin, which worked for about 6 seconds. I’m not picking dos Santos because I think Gonzaga’s hesitant or scared, I’m picking dos Santos because he’s faster and Gonzaga’s defense is full of holes. Running right at dos Santos will probably just get him KO’d faster.

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.

by lowellthehammer on Mar 17, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

To be fair, Carwin has magic sleeping powder on his fists. I’m guessing most HW’s couldn’t have melted Gonzaga with a flat footed jab.

by Mocha Shaka Khan on Mar 17, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

dos Santos has the speed and technique to take advantage of Gonzaga’s shoddy defense though, which was my point. Gonzaga relies on aggression and power to make his opponents crumble, but I see dos Santos picking him apart and getting a KO if this stays standing.

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.

by lowellthehammer on Mar 17, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gonzaga was doing fairly well for about 90 seconds there, he had carwin’s nose broken and he was rocked.

Then carwin threw a cinder block at his head.

Keep firing Assholes!

Blackout is always right

by Ubernoober on Mar 17, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he's on to something

As a fan I’m picking Dos Santos.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 17, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Good night Gonzaga.

Not a good idea to trade with JDS.

"Well... You're damned if you do, and You're damned if you don't."- Bart Simpson

by poundnground on Mar 17, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Then again...

I’m just a fan.

"Well... You're damned if you do, and You're damned if you don't."- Bart Simpson

by poundnground on Mar 17, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

“To pick dos Santos as the favorite is stuff for fans or people who don’t follow the sport.”

Or professional bookmakers.

"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz

by CasualMMAFan on Mar 17, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Aren’t bookmakers odds based on the betting trends of gamblers?

Not trying to be sassy or anything, I’ve just always assumed that was the case.

by ruckus on Mar 17, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s why lines start out at a set value but “move” as it gets closer to the event and more bets are made on both guys. Lines are set to minimize loss.

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.

by lowellthehammer on Mar 17, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

hmm, i am misinformed then ><

tabreaz said - "Brock a national champion? Are u actually seriously saying brock is better than rogers due to him being a champion in a completely differant sport?"

Isn't Youtube fun?

by KingAtRock on Mar 17, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

I remember hearing that they move it based on the betting trends to minimize risk to them, thereby minimizing loss. Then they can be assured that they will make profit off whatever transaction fee they charge or percentage they take.

by ruckus on Mar 17, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

In gambling, the odds on display do not represent the true chances that the event will occur, but are the amounts that the bookmaker will pay out on winning bets. In formulating his odds to display the bookmaker will have included a profit margin which effectively means that the payout to a successful bettor is less than that represented by the true chance of the event occurring.

from Wikipedia.

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.

by lowellthehammer on Mar 17, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

In gambling, the odds on display do not represent the true chances that the event will occur, but are the amounts that the bookmaker will pay out on winning bets. In formulating his odds to display the bookmaker will have included a profit margin which effectively means that the payout to a successful bettor is less than that represented by the true chance of the event occurring.

Any isolated moneyline may not represent the objectively “true” odds (which are unknowable). But markets – and risk investments involving fluctuating prices are markets – often have an uncanny ability to converge to values that approximate “true” values (in this cae, win probabilities). Even though individual people have little information, collectively, they have access to more information than any “expert.” This is why in every sport, win probabilities implied by major betting lines always outperform expert predictions. There is an entire scientific literature devoted to this in the field of judgment and decision making. Individual predictions are subject to all sorts of cognitive biases. When a moneyline says a win probability is 70%, the chosen fighter usually wins close to 70% of the time. I did a little comparison awhile back with mma-elo, probably the best rating system in mma (and in many other sports). It’s based on an underlying probability model , so for any given matchup, you can get a predicted win probability that can be directly compared with those implied by moneylines. As good as ELO is, it still showed substantial “miscalibration” for mma (an important shortcoming, considering that the rating differentials that directly imply win probabilities are at the core of the ELO system) – it showed substantial underconfidence in predicting winners – i.e., when elo said the win probability was .9, it was actually more like .8, and the miscalibration was more extreme for more lopsided matches. The betting line probabilities, in contrast, showed excellent calibration (as determined by a variety of statistical techniques developed for evaluating weather forecasts, including Brier score analysis and Murphy decomposition of the Brier score).

In sum, believe the moneylines. The implied winner at least. We can debate all day about whether the actual probability is 65% or 68% (which is not what the Team Link coach is doing), but in the long run, the only people who will be able to truly capitalize on such a small amount of error in predicted values are true experts of the “experts”. Gonzaga is the underdog here.

by BorisK on Mar 18, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

no

all bookies use differn’t systems, but most are based on stuf like winning streaks, caliber of opponents beaten, and who has the belt.

tabreaz said - "Brock a national champion? Are u actually seriously saying brock is better than rogers due to him being a champion in a completely differant sport?"

Isn't Youtube fun?

by KingAtRock on Mar 17, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is very, very wrong.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 17, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Isn’t it based less off who’s likely to win than who the General Public THINKS will win?

The Holy Ghost could be 10x the fighter GSP is, but if no one knows who he is, GSP’s gonna be the odds-on favorite, right?

by Tedd Welch on Mar 17, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because a mass of people believe Kimbo could beat BROCKLESNAR the odds wouldn’t work that way. The bookmakers keep themselves informed and are pretty knowledgeable about the fighters and their particular preparation for each fight. How each system works mathematically I am not sure, but bookies keep their odds so they don’t lose money i.e. favor the BROCKLESNAR!

by ZephyrBrasil on Mar 17, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the point. What determines the odds is one factor: not losing money.

They’re not going to make Lesnar an underdog to Kimbo because they don’t want to lose money. But they would keep the odds as appetizing as humanly possible to entice people TO bet on Kimbo and TO NOT bet on Lesnar while also being aware that due to the “fluke nature” of MMA that they can’t make them TOO sweet to where a fluke win by Kimbo results in massive losses.

The main point to remember is that Odds do not represent the “likelihood” that a fighter will win.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 17, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You also want to keep in mind that each ‘vote’ isn’t worth the same. If 1,000 dumbasses bet $100 on Kimbo, that would probably be offset by 10 professionals betting $10,000 on Brock. The people don’t have to be equal on each side, just the money.

(Yes, the actual odds wouldn’t be even, just used for example)

by jebmak on Mar 18, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya my bad

I have a habit of acting like I know what i’m talking about when I don’t

tabreaz said - "Brock a national champion? Are u actually seriously saying brock is better than rogers due to him being a champion in a completely differant sport?"

Isn't Youtube fun?

by KingAtRock on Mar 17, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a way, this is a silly matchup for

DosSantos…Gonzaga is two steps back for Junior as far as the HW ranks go.
But, at the same time, I feel that its a ‘sterno’ match for Junior.
Keeping him warm, while the fatheads(Mir/Carwin) get first crack at Brock.
I am positive that there is not a single fighter in the world at HW that would want to trade with JDS…
He has quickness, speed, power, technique, and reach…
Out of all the HW in the world, he has the best chance at beating Brock…
Dont mention Fedor, he has to beat a top ten HW first…

by Jadrig on Mar 17, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it's a good fight

Keeps him busy against an opponent that he should be able to beat if he is a contender.

At the same time it gives Gonzaga an opportunity that his skill set warrants.

If Gonzaga can pull the upset then maybe he can be put back in the mix with a possible Carwin rematch or Mir fight… who knows. Regardless I’m a huge fan of how the HW division is shaping up.

by ruckus on Mar 17, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gonzage is 2 steps back from Yvel or CC, I don’t think so. This is a great test for him and if he wins this then he’s in the title picture.

by xbuckeyex05 on Mar 17, 2010 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Out of all the HW in the world, he has the best chance at beating Brock…
Dont mention Fedor, he has to beat a top ten HW first…

Are you trolling or do people actually think like this?

by An0nymous on Mar 17, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

People new to MMA seem to think JDS is the Lord God Almighty.

I’ve seen it from a few people that are just getting in to the sport, or that keep up with it every once in a while. Strange phenomenon.

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.

by lowellthehammer on Mar 17, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Much as a lot of people who were newer to MMA thought Gonzaga was Jesus Christ resurrected when he KO’ed Cro Cop to move to 4-0 in the UFC.

Don’t get me wrong. JdS is very, very good…but I think that MMA fans fall into the “next big thing” trap far too often. We’ll see how things play out.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 17, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what makes dos Santos > Carwin in the eyes of these fans? Carwin has a similar resume, with 3 first round KOs in the UFC.

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.

by lowellthehammer on Mar 17, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Werdum, Struve and Yvel > Wain, Wellisch and Gonzaga

"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."

by Earl Montclair on Mar 17, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

the fact that he isn’t getting his shot yet. A lot of fans tend to gravitate toward “guy who hasn’t gotten his shot” over “guy who is getting his shot.” Yushin Okami is a great example of this. Over time Okami developed into one of the most overrated fighters in the game because he kept not getting “his shot”

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 17, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

truth.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Mar 17, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Carwin pisses people off with his holier-than-thou attitude, so some of the undervaluing may not even be related to the fighting itself.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 17, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

well call me a noob because im riding the JDS war train all the way

as far as what makes him more immortal looking than carwin..

1) JDS has a better strength of record in his last couple fights. gonzaga is really carwins only big win of note
2) carwin had a shimmer of mortality his last fight before he hulk smashed
3) we see good wrestlers blaze through middle-teir opposition all the time so his last fight was really the first time he looked like he might be the “next big thing” instead of just a prospect
4) we don’t see people with such a pure striking style have such dominating success everyday. i think thats what made anderson and machida special too. there’s so much garbage striking in MMA it makes the best look untouchable
5) he just dominated two of the best HW strikers in MMA in their strengths, striking. The only one left to possibly compete for that crown now is overeem as far as im concerned

by phantasma475 on Mar 17, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The site is getting closer to making my head explode by the day.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 17, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

TIme to shut it down!

by MMAEruption on Mar 17, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brent.....

If your head does explode record it and put it on the internet that way it can be overused as a gif.

"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."

by Earl Montclair on Mar 17, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’ll do my best.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 17, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

And here i thought i was one of the few people feeling like that… i don’t know why its taking place, it’s terrible. BE used to be THE place for discussion thats unbiased and filled with critical thinking. Now its becoming blinded ‘nuthuggery’…

by pRoXiMo on Mar 17, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And when it's not that, it's people complaining about it.

Not picking on you, but I see as much or more complaining than I see original morons. The spectre of these fanboys existing in large numbers (actually few and far between) is just enough for people to try to simultaneously plant their butts in the League of Reason while painting anyone who disagrees as one fantasy clique or another.

Pure nuthuggers are about as common as WMDs.

by BillyJane on Mar 17, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would like to see gonzaga win via ko as he’s one of my favourite fighters but dos santos is so good standing, this is one fight he’d be best taking it to the ground immediately

by Marcus213 on Mar 17, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Am I the only person who is favoring Gonzaga in this fight?

by MMAEruption on Mar 17, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

depends on which Gonzaga shows up. To me he’s either hot or cold. Gonzaga seems to wilt under pressure which is what it makes it difficult to pick him in this fight.
If the fight goes to the ground I expect him to have a sizable advantage.. just getting it to the ground may be difficult and dangerous.
I like Gonzaga, he has a great story and it’s difficult to not root for him. This should really be a great fight.

by pr0cs on Mar 17, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I def agree on the “which Gonzaga shows up” part. He’s got a great skill-set but he needs to stick to his bread and butter.

by MMAEruption on Mar 17, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Junior catches him with anything early Gonzaga will pack it in. That is his bread and butter.

"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."

by Earl Montclair on Mar 17, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm right there with you.

But I’m a broken record on all things Gonzaga.

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Mar 18, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like both Gonzo and JDS. But I don’t like Cigano’s pointing to the ground shtick, so he’s the one who’s going DOWN!

by dancingChicken on Mar 17, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Gonzaga has a ton of experience and sizes up well with Dos Santos. The problem with Gonzaga is I don’t see him having a meaningful title run. Unless he gets a bit bigger, stronger, and imroves his stand-up significantly (I mean it’s already good, but I think it needs to be Kongo good).

by Dooda on Mar 17, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

GG is frigging annoying

The guy has the all the tools, is coming in at a fit 260 I think but always seems to lack a game plan and seems to wilt at times.

I hope his new camp is working out for him and he did talk a while back about wanting to spend some time at team colture which I don’t know happened or not.

by Oneman on Mar 17, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wants to trade, JDS wants to trade too, win win for the fans!

by kovy on Mar 17, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m really hoping JDS takes this one, so that sets up a fight between Cheick Kongo and Gabriel Gonzaga, with a special WWF style “stipulation”- groin strikes are legal.

Two of the best groin-strike technicians in the UFC today are Cheick Kongo and Gabriel Gonazaga.

by TLow on Mar 17, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Gonzaga is so 2007. Dos Santos is the murderous Brazilian HW for 2010!

Keep firing Assholes!

Blackout is always right

by Ubernoober on Mar 17, 2010 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

More like Gonzaga is so 2000 and late!

I make myself sick.

"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"

by Fake Emcee on Mar 17, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This thing is going to the ground, where we’ll see just how much JDS has learned from the Noguiera brothers, and get a better idea of how he really fits in with the current crop of HWs. I will be shocked if GG is not blowing smoke here. The JDS hype train is based on his having arguably the crispest, most technical stand up in the division. Gonzaga leaves too many holes to win a standing exchange with this guy.

by theidlesthand on Mar 17, 2010 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope Gonzaga is bluffing about trading on the feet.

Looking at his past, his strengths have been on the ground and in close while his weakness has been distance on the feet….which sounds like JDS’ sweet spot.

If Gonzaga is going to win this, and do so convincingly, he needs to keep tight to JDS and probably take this to ground for some top control action.

I think this fight is alot closer than most are giving credit for.

by Razreshat on Mar 17, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

JDS is so confident in his stand up (rightfully so) that he’s jsut going to lure Gabe into range and KO his ass like he did with Yvel.

by naturalist on Mar 17, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

People are sleeping on Gonzaga’s striking so much it’s going to be great when he knocks Dos Santos out, the hype train has gone off the rails and now has reached the level of delusion only seen with Machida and we saw how that ended.

by Raker on Mar 17, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that was more ppl underestimating Shogun rather than being dissapointed with Machida. JDS has made it abundantly clear that fools can’t stand with him. People think that since he is kinda new to MMA that he doesn’t much striking credentials but nothing could be further from the truth. He did eat some nice lefts from Cro Cop but was no worse for wear.
No one in the UFC will KO JDS on the feet.

by naturalist on Mar 17, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

"No one in the UFC will KO JDS on the feet."

Thats just not a statement that stays true for very long in the HW division. So many huge guys now days. Only time will tell i suppose. I really like anyone that fights under the Nogs . So i sure wouldn’t be mad if you are right

"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.

by Rayce. on Mar 17, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s true. it could happen. just not on a sunday.

by naturalist on Mar 18, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Once Dos Santos comes up against a methodical fighther with a gameplan, he’ll lose. Not so sure it’ll be Gonzaga. But that’s exactly what happened to Gonzaga against Couture. Mir or Velasquez would handle him.

I just think CroCop hung with him a little too much.

by Skoobs on Mar 18, 2010 1:42 AM EDT reply actions  

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