Scott Coker said he's not entirely opposed to Jose Canseco:
"I can tell you this: If Cesar Gracie says to me, 'Jose's training with me, I'm going to get him ready, and I'm going to do it in four or five months,' and Cesar's telling me this? That will have a lot of weight on what we decide," Coker recently told MMAjunkie.com.
"Scott said if Jose wants to train, he'll put him in a Challenger series (event) if it's not the Herschel Walker fight," Gracie said. "There are a couple of other organizations that are interested in Jose that I'm meeting with next week." said Cesar Gracie.
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If this happens
I will kindly ask for a ban on all news Strikeforce related, as they no longer wish to be taken seriously as an MMA organization.
Luke/Nate/Brent, please put this into effect.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
I concur
"So I put 2 and 2 together and decided that your pissing me off" "Here. Its a fruit roll up. I was gonna make you a casserole for your loss but uh... I didnt"
"So its sorta like that movie the predator, except for hunting people hes takin a crap" - Carl from ATHF
by II SMASH II on Mar 16, 2010 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
3rded
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 16, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
count me in.
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 16, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
We are those who will watch the fight and read every blog about it while thumbing our nose with righteous indignaiton.
by bleve_ on Mar 16, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I call dibs on being Chief Wiggum
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Groundskeeper Willie
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 16, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I woulda called dibs, but i'm not a ginger
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha! I can’t wait for the new season…the clips showed Cartman as one again…
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
Cartman is gonna be on the Simpsons?
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
did they refer to gingers in simpsons?
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
Willy is a Ginger.
We’re talking Simpsons here man.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but was that even a word before South Park?
Before South Park he was just a redhead with freckles, right?
I thought you changed the subject before me….
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
It was a word before South Park
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, if that's true, i effed up the thread and sincerely apologize...
:)
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
And I wanna be Sideshow Bob.
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
I'm Mexican
So I guess I’ll be the bumblebee man.
Who is somewhere in there for sure.
"Well... You're damned if you do, and You're damned if you don't."- Bart Simpson
by poundnground on Mar 16, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
are there any jewish characters?
Cause I’ll give up Wiggum to keep things accurate.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh?
Strikeforce has plenty of other interesting news to be discussed. Just don’t read it if you don’t like it.
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on Mar 16, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see this as just another step towards Japanese MMA
They already have a problem announcing fights in advance. They already have pissed off fighters who haven’t gotten fights. If they do this for publicity and don’t start being a serious organization, then fuck them. Coker is smart enough and has been doing this long enough to know that there are long term consequences for this. And when Josh Gross who is Strikeforce’s biggest cheerleader is pissed about this move, then you know that it’s a bad move.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed again
"So I put 2 and 2 together and decided that your pissing me off" "Here. Its a fruit roll up. I was gonna make you a casserole for your loss but uh... I didnt"
"So its sorta like that movie the predator, except for hunting people hes takin a crap" - Carl from ATHF
by II SMASH II on Mar 16, 2010 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They're already a "serious" organization
Not to imply that signing Canseco is a move in the right direction – and that’s IF it happens, which it hasn’t – but with Shields vs. Mayhem/Henderson, Fedor vs. Rogers, Carano/Connen vs. Cyborg, Mousasi vs. Sobral, etc. etc. etc. Strikeforce has put on serious fights.
They are a “real” MMA organization, they’re just considering signing someone that people don’t like.
Get rid of the ramp!
I don't hate Canseco
I think what he did blowing up steroids in baseball was great.
But when you sacrifice fights from fighters with legitimate records and followings and decide to push Jose Canseco or Hershel Walker into televised bouts, then yes, I do have a problem with that.
Everyone who signs a contract has X amount of fights that need to be fulfilled. Robbie Lawler is one who has been vocal about not getting these fights. If they refuse to put fighters with larger contracts on challengers shows (the more frequent shows) then they are sacrificing their integrity. And then yes, I do find a problem with that.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines that people dislike Canseco being in MMA because of the cash grab/joke performance against Choi. His baseball past is irrelevant as far as I’m concerned.
It’s an academic point at this juncture anyway, since nothing is signed or agreed to. People are up in arms about something that has no date and may not even happen!
Get rid of the ramp!
Exactly
If you read my initial comment again, you’ll see that I said that if this does happen then yes, there should be a news ban on Strikeforce.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Your comment still makes no sense, player. Strikeforce are a MMA organization and this is a MMA site.
Get rid of the ramp!
Again, reread my initial statement
I said that if they do go ahead and sign Jose, then they no longer wish to be taken seriously as a MMA organization. I’m not saying they aren’t one, I’m saying that at that point they’ve decided to be a joke.
Much in the same way that when Tito Ortiz kept talking about how he was gonna have his own organization through Strikeforce cagepotato put a ban on all Tito news, if Strikeforce goes ahead with this, there should be a ban.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell, I'll try and defend Coker here
Imagine if Ed Soares told Dana White that he was training Shaquille O’Neal and wanted him to fight in the UFC. And imagine if Ed also could threaten Dana with having all his fighters sign with Strikeforce. How soon do you think we’d see a Shaq/Kimbo fight?
Hasn't Shaq actually trained MMA for years?
I know he at least has been much more of an enthusiast for the sport than Jose Canseco….
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
shaq
Shaq has been training MMA for over decade. Shaq has expressed to Dana that he would like to one day fight in the UFC. So, I think the Shaq analogy doesnt apply. Shaq is actually a Mixed Martial Artist.
That's what I thought...
If he wasn’t going into law enforcement after the NBA, I’d almost guarantee he’d want to try it out…
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
Ironically he wanted to fight Hong Man Choi
HI YAH!
by Thats It For you! on Mar 16, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, he did work on that Chuck Liddell cardboard cut-out...
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
Now if that happened
How quickly would we as fans comment that the UFC has decided to sacrifice their integrity and how quickly would there be a riot that they don’t want to be taken seriously?
Also, Shaq has been training in Shaqfu for years. He’s an expert.
I’m merely saying that Walker you could say was to get exposure on mainstream media, it worked. Doing this means you’ve sacrificed any integrity you have left.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How quickly would we as fans comment that the UFC has decided to sacrifice their integrity and how quickly would there be a riot that they don’t want to be taken seriously?
From the gist of the replies above you, I would say apparently not very quick.
Also, as I continue my role as devil’s advocate, the quotes above indicated:
- that he might be inclined to change his mind if Canseco trained with Gracie for 4 or five months and Gracie told him he thought he could compete
- that he didn’t say he would put him against Walker or on a Showtime or CBS card. Instead Gracie said it might be a Challenger’s card which is their developmental cards.
- He also has yet to say that he use him at all, only that he would have to weight what Gracie was telling him. Why should we get so worked up for something that has yet to transpire?
okay, now that I'm on a computer I'll respond
-As far as training with Gracie? Fine, do it, but also recognize that Cesar makes money on this too. It’s in his best interest for Jose to fight for Strikeforce.
-He said that if it wasn’t against Walker, then it would be on a Challenger’s show. But again, just using basic logic, what is the money matchup? Jose/Walker…while Coker can say that it may not be that fight, my money would be that he makes that fight.
-As you stated, if Gracie says jump, Coker’s gotta. 3 of his 5 champs are out of Camp Gracie.
I don’t bet or wager, but if I did, I’d say that the 3rd CBS card (if there is one) features Jose/Walker on the televised portion.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
youre right
I am close friends with a local fight promoter. Gracie will not only get money for cornering Conseco, but, he gets paid to train him too. And the crediblity gracie has with strikeforce is apparent. The most disturbing thing in this story is the long term ramifications. I think it will lead to more freakshow fights. No thanks.
Not soon at all because Ed Soares isn't a trainer or coach.
He’s a translator.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
He’s a manager. I get the point that nottheface is making. I’ll respond to his comment when I’m not driving.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 4:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep and hopped up on energy drinks.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was joking of course
I was driving through farmland in Jersey.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I know his official job title.
I was being derogatory.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
deserving
Im gonna agree with you. The point is. Jose will take up airtime that should go to legitimate MMA fighters. The other point is. Jose does more harm than good for Strikeforce. I understand the idea. Bring in new fans. But, the fans created by Jose are gonna expect freakshow fights everytime out. Strikeforce is leaning too heavily on the Jerry Springer demo. LOL
If thisredengine
Continues to blow minor MMA news WAY out of proportion, I will kindly ask him to stop commenting, as he no longer wishes to be taken seriously as a MMA news commenter.
The sky is not falling my friend
by jaybot on Mar 16, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so you are telling us that Strikeforce signing Canseco to fight is not a HUGE knock against their credibility? Seriously?
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 16, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why I'm responding to this but I will
Coker was on record that he was not interested in Jose Canseco ever fighting in Strikeforce. He was adamant about it. While it is respectable that he’s at least training with a real camp, his intentions (Canseco’s) are pretty transparent. Without any insider information (I have none), I’d say odds are pretty good that he ends up fighting in Strikeforce.
The string of logic is that he’s fighting at Cesar Gracie’s camp. Cesar Gracie trains 3 of Strikeforce’s champs. Coker says that if Gracie approves he will consider this. Gracie makes money if Jose fights. Gracie will say he is ready. Coker recognizes that wasting him on a Challenger’s show is not good for business and books him against Walker on CBS.
Again, no insider info, just common sense.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
And logic jumps. 1. He hasn’t signed, and 2. There is no reason to believe he wouldn’t be on a challengers card. But if you want to get pissed by all means go on ahead.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
the reason to believe he wouldn't be on a challengers card...
is because the only reason to sign him is for freakshow ratings against Walker.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Is that blonde chick the one from chuck’s reebok video?
by MikeD32 on Mar 16, 2010 3:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yes chuck is currently hittin that...
an please ceaser your gym is so well respected by the mma community please stop all communications with mr. Canseco befor this gets out of hand… OR.. Do it very quietly an send him to japan to get his ass kicked.. Please stop disrespecting the sport by pushing canseco to strikeforce.. NICK DIAZ HOW ARE U LETTING THIS GO DOWN?? ITS POSITIVE FOR NOONE EXCEPT CANSECOS WALLET!!!
have u ever even been in a fight??
by MMAJUNKIE__83 on Mar 16, 2010 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
COUNTDOWN TO THE DEMISE OF SF STARTS....
Now.
"Well... You're damned if you do, and You're damned if you don't."- Bart Simpson
Kinda late. I believe that started back when they signed Fedor.
I don't want to lick any butt. - GSP
by pud333 on Mar 16, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yawn… I thought they were supposed to be belly up by now?
by bleve_ on Mar 16, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you're right.
"Well... You're damned if you do, and You're damned if you don't."- Bart Simpson
by poundnground on Mar 16, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh jeez...
here we go!
I really had higher hopes for Coker when it was announced Strikeforce was heading to Showtime (and later CBS). But he just seems in way over his head. From not announcing cards until two weeks before the show to allowing freakshows like Walker and possibly Canseco, times are looking grim.
the fact that herschel walker took a televised spot from 2 well established contenders like hieron vs riggs was bad enough. yes i know it got them some major publicity but how far is coker willing to go for that. say some c level actor that people know or reality show reject like spencer pratt that has had a ton of publicity wants to fight…should they be given a strikeforce slot as well bc a legit camp says he is training hard?? …since the publicity might help the company? soon enough you start hurting the legitimacy of the sport. give the spot to a legit amateur who looks promising instead…or someone that is going to build the promotion…not some washed up asshole (not to mention notorious juice head) like canseco.
Spencer Pratt trains with Kevin Casey.
He’s probably terrible, but he does train. Bad example to pick.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Well put good sir
have u ever even been in a fight??
by MMAJUNKIE__83 on Mar 16, 2010 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have no problem with this, if...
- Canseco actually trains
- He gets drug tested
- He isn’t the main fricking event
- He gets paid like someone with a 0-1 record should
I have zero interest in the fight, but that’s primarily because I don’t think that watching two guys in their 40s with less than 15 minutes experience between them will be entertaining. Coker can sign who he wants – I just hope for his own sake that he’s not throwing bags of money Canseco’s way the same way EliteXC did with Kimbo and Affliction did with, well, everyone.
Get rid of the ramp!
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 16, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I love how everybody ignores the "other organizations" in talks.
Any guesses? Doesn’t sound like a Bellator sort of deal and I don’t think Dana would go that low, so my guess is Shine. Possibility of Bitetti.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I'm ignoring it because
Until reports come out that Shine or Bitetti is talking to Jose, it’s just Cesar talking shit to make this more legitimate.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
we are ignoring the “other organizations” because their CEO hasn’t come out and said they are “not against it”
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 16, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was too busy banging my head on the wall by that point...
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
Blah Blah Blah.
Jose Canseco Blah Blah Blah Strikeforce Blah Blah Blah Cesar Gracie Blah Blah Blah.
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
Oops i forgot Scott Coker...
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
What is really alarming to me.
Strikeforce never used to do this kind of stuff. I really believe, that M-1 Global, Showtime, CBS and Strikeforce represent too many fingers in the cookie jar. If Coker were able to promote this his way I really believe none of this would be happening. The fact that he is under pressure to produce ratings for CBS is getting to his better judgement. Im betting this is why Dana and the UFC does want to co-promote.
They did go freakshow once before
Bob Sapp vs. Jan Nortje at the Tacoma Dome. It was prior to the CBS/M-1/Showtime Deal
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 16, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever.
I wouldn’t take this comment too seriously. If he acts on it, yeah, it’s on, but he is probably just saying it just because. Let’s not burn him at the stake just yet.
I don't want to lick any butt. - GSP
But...But...I already got my damn pitchfork out and everything...
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
Jose Conseco is poison to MMA
I agree with you guys on this. Scott Coker is a desperate man,he is willing to promote a known steriod user. This is the kind of short term thinking that’s gonna force Strikeforce to fold. If Jose was so damn good why hasn’t Dream asked him back? Of course, Gracie is gonna say he is ready to fight. He gets 10 – 15 percent of jose’s purse. Stikeforce is really messing up.
Just like Dana is desperate
for promoting Vitor, Marquardt, and Baroni?
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
how is dana desperate?
Vitor is a legit light heavy/ middle weight. Marquardt? He is one of the best Middleweights in the world. I’ll give you Baroni. Baroni hasn’t been serious for years. But, To dana’s defense. Baroni has been involved in some exciting fights for the UFC. The point i try to make is this. The normal UFC product isn’t depending on freakshow fights to sell. It is becoming more apparent that Strikeforce is becoming Dream. If you like that, So be it. But, I won’t watch it. I didnt watch Herschal Walker, and I wont watch Jose Conseco.
Because he's promoting known steroid users.
I could bring up Toney, but that’s too easy.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Steriod users
Well, you have a valid point there. I believe JT will be tested. Just like the rest of the UFC fighters are tested. The fact that James Toney, Vitor and others tested positive is disconcerting. The only thing I’ll say in regard to Conseco, is, He brought down the sport of baseball. The public is still trying to make up its mind about MMA. To associate with Jose is counterproductive. I feel as though I’m giving Nate, Vitor, Baroni and Toney a pass. I’m Not. the big difference is they have something else to bring to the table. I.E. combat skills. Your point was well taken.
Maybe Scott's last name implies something about how he makes his decisions...
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
As much as I hate this, and as much as I want to call SF a joke, do remember, the largest MMA organization just signed a washed up, punch drunk, barely legible boxer.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
Now see, if James Toney were fighting Jose Canseco...
I would actually root for him…
As of now I gotta cheer on Kimbo…
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
james toney
I have to respectfully disagree with you. James Toney is a professional fighter. and a heavyweight champion. Not a disgraced former steriod user/baseball player. I really think the difference is obvious.
Didn’t say there was a comparison between the two, other than both are going to draw attention to this sport for the wrong reasons.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
I disagree again.
sorry not trying to piss in you kool-aid bro. But james toney in the UFC is the first attempt to bait professional boxers into the cage. Jose Conseco is only a circus side show with absolutely no talent, no fighting skills and no credibility in general. At least, toney has credentials.
Not pissing me off, I love a good debate. The thing with Toney is, if this were 10 even 15 years ago, he might still have something but he is old and fat. He talks a big game, but lets see him against a legit fighter. He is training with a boxing coach, not Greg Jackson. At least Canseco is training somewhere with respectable training partners. That being said, I dont want Canseco to touch this sport, he is a joke.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
You really should use the reply button.
Just sayin’. :)
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
No worries, just thought I’d help you out. Now he can see if he got a reply on his user homepage.
Ummm….nice sig by the way? Epic Beard Man I’m guessing…
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
He made me entirely rethink my outlook on making fun of people with fanny-packs.
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
I was really looking forward to more beatdowns from him,
but it seems since the beard has been shaved, he is just not the same.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
a good debate it is.
I read on one of the mma sites, that James toney is training with Juanitto Ibbara. sorry bout the spelling. I agree JT is past his prime, i’ll give you that. But, i contend, the reason JT is in the UFC is. 1) promotion. (DUH). 2) to bait upper echelon boxers into the UFC. and 3) JT is at least able to defend himself. I truly believe, Conseco could be killed.
I dont know that he would be able to defend himself though....
Do we know what his takedown defense looks like? I am assuming, just assuming, that if he were to face a legit wrestler or anyone with ground skills, he would get tapped or pounded, very quickly. I agree with the promotion part, but do we really want that guy to be promoted? With the money that the upper tier of boxers are making, do you think they would really sign a low pay deal with the UFC?
I told you not to f*ck with me.
I think the major difference between promoting Canseco and Toney...
Is that Toney is actually a threat on his feet…
Canseco’s only threat is what he can do to an organization he belongs to.
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
Agreed.
Toney does have a proven record in combat sports, Canseco is just a tool that needs to go away.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
Oh, and you're right...
There’s no way top boxers are going to cross over with the difference in pay-scale as it is…
Only if MMA actually does start swallowing up boxing, and if that were to happen, I imagine the pay scale would be more balanced…
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
Defend himself.
Well, you bring up a valid point. Could JT defend a takedown. Well, could Brock defend himself standing? Or Jacare? The Point is valid but, doesn’t apply. The sport grows only by it’s participants. If a fighter is strong standing up, or on the ground, or in the clinch. it’s all different fighting styles, unlike Jose conseco.
Low pay.
Well, it depends on what boxer signs to fight. If Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pac, signed, they would be assured a portion of the pay per view buys. Just like Brock, Chuck, Randy, Tito, Ace and Forrest. So, I do see the incentive to crossover.
toney while being way past his prime is still an accomplished fighter. unless canseco is taking a bat with him to the ring while juiced out of his mind….any decent fighter is going to seriiously hurt him.
James Toney (-500) vs. Jose Canseco w/ his baseball bat (+525)
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
Put him up against the winner of the open weight hobo grand prix.
Seeing as they would have the same credibility.
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
by Damon O. on Mar 16, 2010 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
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