Frank Mir -175 talks Shane Carwin +130:
"I think he's very similar to Brock Lesnar," Mir told MMAjunkie.com. "He's somebody that's strong, and he's a good wrestler. But I think that Carwin, in a lot of ways, is actually more dangerous for me."
"In a fight with Lesnar, the goal is to keep it on the feet, and I'll win the fight. With Carwin, if I say just keep it on my feet and I fall asleep on him while looking for the shot, I can easily go to sleep if I get caught. He's shown the ability to knock people out. To me, he's a dual threat."
"... If after, if I'm victorious on March 27, and I had an injury that didn't allow me to fight, and Brock wants to take a risk to fight Cain first before he fights me, more power to him."
"I think [Velasquez] is a dangerous fight for [Lesnar]," Mir said. "I would be willing to bet that maybe he [Lesnar] would be more comfortable waiting for me."
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Carwin’s less athletic, slower than Lesnar. I think Mir’s the right bet here.
Valasquez really might be the greatest threat to Lesnar in the UFC, aside from dos Santos. He won’t get rag-dolled, and if he lasts 2 rounds would be able to pick about a probably gassed Lesnar on the feet.
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 14, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
My Mir hatred runs deep, so I'm picking Carwin.
Velasquez might not get rag-dolled, but I don’t see him doing too well if that 285lb Gorilla lays on him and slams lunch boxes in his face.
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I don’t think Velasquez will lay under Lesnar for the whole fight like Mir did last time. And what he does take if Lesnar’s on top, I think his chin has been proven pretty solid to withstand the onslaught for a while. The big think is I know that if Velasquez could get it to the championship rounds he’d have a distinct advantage.
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 14, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
In my humble opinion the UFC has three great HWs – Brock, Cain, and JDS. I don’t see Carwin or Mir quit at their level. We’ll find out over the next year I guess.
by John Nash on Mar 14, 2010 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have been very impressed with Mir lately. He got badly beaten by Brock the second time around but his stand up has improved tremendously (he hit Brock with some very good shots and Brock wanted no part of standing with him after that) and I think he is taking the right steps to being the best in the division. He has added a ton of muscle but is still maintaining his speed and improved stand up (as shown in the Kongo fight) and we all of course know that he has great submissions.
Don't get me wrong
I think he’s one of the top Contenders, but I dunno how well he’ll do with someone that has good (maybe even better) wrestling and a 40lb. weight advantage.
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Cheick Kongo
would beg to differ about Velasquez’s chin
by Patrick John McGreevy on Mar 14, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the Kongo that couldn’t KO Velasquez?
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Kongo severely rocked him on multiple occasions.
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And Velasquez always got a log and dragged him down
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 15, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
leg/log, pick your poison
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 15, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, I don’t know what this is about, but Cain has a great chin. He got hit a bunch of times and dropped, but he was never out of it. His recovery was pretty amazing.
I don’t think Velasquez will lay under Lesnar for the whole fight
He might not have a choice.
by ufc4 on Mar 14, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Couture can win a clinch battle with Lesnar, Valasquez sure as hell can
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 15, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Mir didn’t lay under Lesnar for long at all, and I doubt anyone can. I’ll still take Mir’s ability to survive on his back over Cain’s at this point. I think Carwin or Mir have a better chance than Cain does. If you can’t knock Brock out fairly early, or at least rock him and back him off, you’re eventually gonna get run over. I’m still not betting on anyone’s wrestling being good enough to take Brock down and hurt him. So you better knock his ass out, or submit him when he takes you down. I’ll take Carwin for the knockout power, or Mir for his BJJ, over Cain in either area, though he’s certainly got the ability.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 15, 2010 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Mir is great off his back at getting submissions.
I’m not sure he’s ever been much of a Big-Nogesque “survivor” from that position.
Sure, but if Mir and Cain are both put on their back by Brock, I’m going to put my money on Mir having a better chance from there than Cain, despite what happened last time. My point is just that I don’t think “surviving” against Brock is ever very likely. You’re probably going to have to finish him. And I think Carwin’s more likely to finish Brock standing, and Mir is more likely to finish him on the ground via submission. I don’t even discount the possibility than Cain is better all around than Mir or Carwin, or that his chin is the best of those three contenders, it’s just that I think Brock may be the worst matchup for him. Hopefully we’ll get to find out…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 15, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
I’d probably give Cain the best shot against Brock – survive on the feet, while wearing him out in the clinch, w/ enough TD defense to avoid being put in that position – as you put it, surviving w/ Brock on top is never very likely!
Can’t wait to see these fights though!
Hell yes! I’m pulling for Carwin over Mir mainly just so we can see things shook up a bit, and put off Lesnar/Mir the TRILOGY* until we see Brock against a few other contenders.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 15, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounded that way a little bit.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 14, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much exactly how he said
Mir was the better striker in the fight. Carwin can pound him out on the ground or knock him out with one punch.
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Looking forward to Mir/Carwin
I really don’t know who’s going to take this. I would have said Carwin before, but Frank has looked really sharp on the feet lately. Can’t wait to see it!
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I see this ending some time after the second round. I have a hard time figuring out how Carwin manages to maintain two professions simultaneously and can’t imagine how he could possibly have the cardio for 3-5 rounds. Cardio is insanely hard to build up, especially when you’re at the upper end of the HW division. Mir may not have the best cardio in the world, but I’d be willing to bet he beats Carwin in that department. Because Mir understands that, and realizes he needs to be careful in the early rounds, I bet Mir’s gameplan is to coast into later rounds and turn up the heat a bit. I see Mir winning it by submission or GNP TKO in the 3rd or 4th.
This is pretty much how I see it going
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I just don’t think Mir can survive those bombs for that long. I don’t expect him to take Shane down, at least not in the early rounds, and so it’ll be a standup battle unless Carwin decides otherwise, or Mir is able to land a really hard shot. Mir’s certainly capable of winning this, but I think it’s over by round 3 at the latest.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 15, 2010 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Love it.
All I know is the heavyweights are just starting to get interesting. I see some good fights coming up and it will only get better with a healthy Brock. You have guys like Carwin, Mir, Valasquez, Dos Santos, Big Nog, Gonzaga, Nelson, Cro Crop (well, maybe not), and a young guy like Todd Duffee and a not so young, but good Mike Russow (who look to meet each other at UFC 114). Now if the UFC could just get Fedor signed to a 3-4 fight deal.
As for Mir vs Carwin, I really don’t know. Carwin has the edge in pure power and wrestling, but Mir has looked good winning 9 of his last 12 fights (and 4 of his last 5), also Mir is able to just pull submissions out of nowhere, and he has much better standup over his last five fights. It should be interesting and at this point I say it is 50/50 coin flip who wins.
can mir not talk about lesnar for once?
this is getting absurd
Wow, this is an over statement....
In a fight with Lesnar, the goal is to keep it on the feet, and I’ll win the fight.
That’s like Lewis and Clark saying, “Our goal is to cross the North American continent from coast to coast, that’s it.”
i doubt Brock has much concern on anybody he fights. If i was Mir id wan’t somebody to face Brock before me. After the illness and all that took place more and more question marks are being put on Brock and what he will be able to do. I think that makes for a dangerous man. Brock is going to come out in his first fight back looking to prove he is still the dominate force in the HW division. He has been out awhile and other guys have done well for themselves so they are more fresh in our minds but Brock is just on a different planet with his physical gifts and is still learning and improving. he has improved every fight. Mir , Carwin and Cain all three are looking to get a shot at the champ. I say be careful what you wish for.
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
He may be learning and improving, but he was severely ill and out for a year. I say it’s the best time for Mir to beat him.
by dancingChicken on Mar 15, 2010 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions
he couldn’t beat him with a hole in his stomach and now he is going to beat a 100% healthy Brock dont think so
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
He wasn’t 100% when they fought?
From what I understand he was 60% during the training camp for fight with Carwin. It was the first time we’ve heard that he has some problems. Previously there were no reports that he had bad training camp. You could suggest that he was 60% for all his MMA career, but I call that bullshit.
by dancingChicken on Mar 15, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Since he had liquid from his bowels leaking throughout his body during that time, I doubt he was actually 100% physically, regardless of how he performed.
by Hardcharger on Mar 15, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
dudes...
the ufc hw div. rules these days!
by cagefightonacid on Mar 14, 2010 11:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
come on…. if you can’t appreciate it and think it blows, maybe it’s not the best sport for you.
by cagefightonacid on Mar 16, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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