Manny Pacquiao "Easily Dominates" Joshua Clottey
by Luke Thomas on Mar 14, 2010 1:27 AM EST
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That's how Bad Left Hook describes it:
Joshua Clottey said he'd be aggressive.
Joshua Clottey lied.
Manny Pacquiao (51-3-2, 38 KO) easily won a unanimous decision against a tentative, scared Clottey (35-4, 20 KO) on scores of 120-108, 119-109, 119-109. Bad Left Hook scored it 119-109 for Pacquiao.
Clottey just did not come to win this fight. In the second (the only round we gave Clottey), it looked like maybe it would be a fight. But it was not. Pacquiao landed 246/1231 (20%, to Clottey's 108/399 (27%). The fight was not even remotely close. Not even close. Miguel Cotto put up far more of a fight than did Clottey, who gave the fight away. Period. He gave the fight away.
As for using this fight to hype a potential superfight with Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Pacquiao offered this:
"I want that fight, the world wants that fight, but it's up to him," Pacquiao said.
Max Kellerman's point was salient: Clottey barely lost to top welterweights yet couldn't win a round against Pacquiao. There was some pre-fight discussion about whether a dull win over Clottey would dampen interest in a mega-fight with Mayweather, but it was Clottey who did more damage to his stock. He had less to lose, but more to gain and all he really did was clearly and unequivocally demarcate himself as an incapable challenge to top tier talent.
Some have suggested there isn't really "boxing" after a Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight, but there is no resolution to the existing tension until the matter is resolved. The interest hasn't damped at all and provided Mayweather does the expected, it's extremely difficult to see where either fighter goes from there save a collision course with one another.
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It was clear from the opening bell
Clottey was content to just survive and go the distance.Other than the second round (which wasn’t much),the man had zero offense.He just stood there and got punched in the arms for 36 minutes.
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That's why Bob Arum chose Clottey as an opponent. Does nothing.
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So how exactly did the Pacman/Mayweather fight fall through? Is anyone “at fault”, or is it equal incompetence?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 14, 2010 1:35 AM EST reply actions
Mayweather insisted on random blood testing, which the Nevada State Athletic Commission does not require. Pacquiao refused.
A lot of boxing fans are siding with Mayweather on this one. Personally, I think he just bitched out.
The idea that you “bitched out” because you want more stringent drug testing in the biggest fight of either man’s career, which the other fighter then ran away from at the highest speed possible is completely absurd.
The drug testing is not the norm for boxing. Pacquiao has never tested positive for anything.
that’s why mayweather is full of shit.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 14, 2010 4:56 AM EST up reply actions
Nobody's ever been caught...until the first time they get caught
Do you know how many fights Margarito got to get away with having plaster casts under his gloves, or how many fights Shane was on performance enhancers without getting caught? The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, there was a time where Josh Barnett hadn’t tested positive for anything either. Just because a system is in place that has been for years doesn’t mean that system isn’t without it’s flaws or that it doesn’t need to be updated especially when the substances that are available are being updated all the time.
I’m not trying to pick sides with this right now, but “he’s never been caught” or “the Commission doesn’t call for it” are not good excuses. Floyd is apperently the one that bitched out after he agreed to every single demand that Pacquiao’s camp threw at him, including a 10 million dollar penalty for every pound he came in over weight, and Pacquiao was the one that dropped out of the fight because he doesn’t want to take a blood test?
Can everybody just come out and say “I hate Floyd so I’m siding against him no matter what.” It’s been said before and I’ll say it again, if the situation was reversed everybody would still blame Floyd and even question what he’s hiding for not wanting to take the test in the first place.
"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"
Oh and just because a system of testing isn’t considered the norm at the moment doesn’t mean it should be completely blown off. What if the first person that had to do a urine test objected to that just because it hadn’t been done before? The point is in the future it damn well might end up turning into the necessary standard.
"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"
Yes, it should be completely blown off.
No boxer wants these additional ridiculous stipulations, not even Mayweather.
That zero in the L column matters much, much more to Mayweather than the biggest matchup boxing has to offer.
Agreed. I mentioned in an earlier post that I think people’s dislike of Floyd has caused them to ignore the facts. He gave way on all Pacquiao’s demands (paying a $10 million/pound penalty isn’t “the norm” either) and yet he still bears the brunt of the blame for the matchup falling apart. I strongly dislike Mayweather but he’s taken an unfair share of the flak here.
by HarmlessNinja on Mar 14, 2010 5:33 AM EST up reply actions
Floyd is an asshole. He deserves everything he gets. His family got Dana started on MMA, didn't you know?
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 14, 2010 5:36 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
If it wasn’t for Floyd none of us would be here today, another reason to love the classy little fella!
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The REAL reason
Mayweather wants all the testing,is that he thinks it will give him an edge.Before one of Pacman’s losses (I forget which one now),he had a bunch of blood work done,and he blamed having all the blood samples taken from him on causing him to be so weak during the fight.
So what does Floyd do?He comes up with a drug testing regimen where they basically take blood out of Manny every couple weeks,leading right up to the fight.Has NOTHING to do with PEDs,and everything to do with Floyd looking to gain an edge,whether real or imaginary.
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Wrong.
Mayweather wants all the testing,is that he thinks it will give him an edge.Before one of Pacman’s losses (I forget which one now),he had a bunch of blood work done,and he blamed having all the blood samples taken from him on causing him to be so weak during the fight.
So what does Floyd do?He comes up with a drug testing regimen where they basically take blood out of Manny every couple weeks,leading right up to the fight.Has NOTHING to do with PEDs,and everything to do with Floyd looking to gain an edge,whether real or imaginary.
Pacquiao’s loss to Erik Morales had nothing to do with blood. Pacquiao had to fast in order to make wake thus making him weak.
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You apparently have a telekinetic link with Floyd
so I wont question that you know for a fact it had nothing to do with PEDs. A guy wanting a blood test at least 14 days before a fight, the scoundrel!
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Manny didn't object to additional testing
He objected to getting tested all the friggin time.What Floyd was asking for was a bit much.One extra blood test,over the state’s required one,ok.Two?Maybe.One every two weeks throughout training camp?C’mon!
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I love how a guy who’s been tested God knows how many times,and never tested dirty once,and shows no signs of being of roids whatsoever,MUST be dirty because he won’t do additional testing at his opponents whim.
Do you think Floyd would be jumping through hoops if Manny was demanding such things?
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Floyd is asking for stupid shit because he knows Pacquiao is going to beat him.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 14, 2010 6:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He knows hes going to beat him?
Whats crazy about this whole thing is not to long ago people thought Floyd was going to duck Mosley just the same but now that he’s actually fighting him people are already trying to call Mosley washed up.
The even crazier thing is that many people have been saying that Mayweather actually has the best style to beat Pacquiao, even Roach himself has said this.
"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"
Why is Floyd asking for stuff he's never asked for before?
‘cause he’s going to lose. He knows it.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 14, 2010 6:57 AM EST up reply actions
Well what the hey man
did Manny ever ask for 10 million dollars for every pound his opponent comes in over weight before? I remember when people were acting like there was no way Floyd would agree to something like that and he did anyway and people still don’t give him credit for it.
"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"
In Manny's defense
That was because in Mayweather’s previous fight he showed up seriously outweighing JMM and only had to pay a $500,000 penalty which compared to the purse and the advantage he gained was apparently not a big enough deterent.
by John Nash on Mar 14, 2010 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The commission already has a penalty in place for coming in over weight, what makes Pac Man special enough to want a more stringent price?
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Besides the fact he came in 3 pounds over in the JMM fight? Maybe because they don’t feel 10% or $3 mil on a $30 mil purse is enough of a decentive to keep him inside the limit.
by John Nash on Mar 14, 2010 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And maybe Floyd doesn’t feel like the joke that passes off as drug testing in the state of Nevada is appropriate for the biggest fight of his career.
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Fair enough. I’m actually of the opinion that the drug testing was introduced so they could revisit the weight limit penalty. Both sides are dicking each other to get the fight they want.
How about Manny comprises and allows Mayweather’s camp to test him as much as they want for a-side meth?
by John Nash on Mar 14, 2010 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
According to Mayweather’s brother and dad that is apparently what they are so worried about. A special meth only made in the Philippines that gives it’s user unlimited ability to resist pain, ignore bullets, and superhuman strength.
It seemed they confused the Moro Juramentados ability to withstand immense damage and still fight (which is why the Colt .45 was introduced to the US Army – more stopping power) and some mythical drug. I wish I was making this up.
Jumping through hoops, no.
Agreeing to pay ten million dollars for every pound he came in overweight, apparently yes. And Floyd was willing to go through the same procedures as Manny so I doubt he’d care all that much if the situation was presented to him. Mosley who is a guy known to not have a clean record said he’d go through whatever test Floyd wanted to in order to get the fight, and that’s because Mosleys a guy that actually wants to fight Floyd.
And it wasn’t about being tested all the time, the breaking point was that Manny wanted to have the cut off date be 24 days before the fight and Floyd was only willing to go 14 days. That was when the negotiations finally fell through on Pacman’s part.
"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"
Well you at least have to admit Floyds dug his own grave
"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"
Because nobody likes Floyd.
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I look at it from multiple directions.
1. Both fighters had too much to lose, therefore didn’t fight.
2. A psuedo-match was mentioned and spoke about, purposely allowing negotiations to fall throught thus creating more hype between both fighters after their respective bouts then that’ll lead into the mega fight between both.
3. Pacquiao not wanting to take a random blood test for a $40 Million Dollar payday was easily to give up then potentially turning up dirty.
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Clottey survived but commited sucide at the same time
He just did not take any chances.He had a few good shots but then he would go into hiding.
we ALL know who he needz to fight.....
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Clottey chocked. He wasn't going to win but he's going to hate himself in the morning.
I guess he thought Pacquiao would punch himself out and he would then take him out. At some point, you have realize it’s not a good strategy.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 14, 2010 1:44 AM EST reply actions
Nah. It was in his contract to lose. This was Pacquiao's fight 100%.
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I kind of saw this coming. Clottey’s style is to let his opponent throw a lot and eat, blocking with his gloves and arms,, until he sees an opening. Either Clottey didn’t even try to risk going on the offensive or Manny just didn’t leave him any openings. Either way it was a hell of a lot uglier than I’d predicted.
by John Nash on Mar 14, 2010 3:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Won the pool at the bar I was at.
Fuck yeah!
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I havent watched boxing in years until tonite, and I kept thinking someone was going to throw a kick or a knee.lol I kept saying to myself ,ooh this would be a nice time to throw a kick! pacman is the man!!!
....after Boxing dies.
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Yes, because the two sports aren’t capable of coexisting or anything…
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Mar 14, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I find myself doing that a lot
I especially hate it when they go to a clinch and the ref breaks it up
Nah, He likes to keep it to 25k. The huge screens might change that but I don't expect that.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 14, 2010 4:09 AM EST up reply actions
For now he does....
You know if Dana thought he could fill the stadium, he would. Give it a few years and I’d bet the UFC will be in larger venues.
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by ANance on Mar 14, 2010 4:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What?
Where in Boston, unless you mean Fenway or Gillete?
by gavingavinkindgavin on Mar 14, 2010 5:31 AM EST up reply actions
it was Clottey who did more damage to his stock. He had less to lose, but more to gain and all he really did was clearly and unequivocally demarcate himself as an incapable challenge to top tier talent.
I share the same sentiments, totally agree. It was dissapointing to see Clottey do the turtle defense thru the whole fight. I was giving him benefit of the doubt during the first rounds because it was Pacquiao he was facing. I tried to convince myself that he was fighting it smart and the most justifiable person to do it against is the P4P king. Except for the occasional punches, Clottey never had the intention to fight. It felt like he was contended not be KOed and simply go back home enjoy the paychek. Surviving 1200+ punches from the arguably hardest hitter in the division require borings the hell out of fans w/ defense all day. Even Pacquiao couldnt save Clottey’s career, its hard to sell him again.
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I share the same sentiments, totally agree. It was dissapointing to see Clottey do the turtle defense thru the whole fight. I was giving him benefit of the doubt during the first rounds because it was Pacquiao he was facing. I tried to convince myself that he was fighting it smart and the most justifiable person to do it against is the P4P king. Except for the occasional punches, Clottey never had the intention to fight. It felt like he was contended not be KOed and simply go back home enjoy the paychek. Surviving 1200+ punches from the arguably hardest hitter in the division require borings the hell out of fans w/ defense all day. Even Pacquiao couldnt save Clottey’s career, its hard to sell him again.
You act as if you expected a new and improved Joshua Clottey. Anyone who has watched Clottey fight, and I assume you have, knows what he does. His entire fight was Clottey’s to lose. Plus, Clottey was never a buyable Boxer anyways — if Paul Williams won’t agree to fight you then you know something is wrong.
Pacquiao’s opponents are all tailor made for his style of Boxing. Walking punching bags with little to no punch output. Cotto was the exception to Top Rank’s rule. However, that doesn’t excuse the fact that Cotto was damaged goods post-Margarito and his defense was never really good enough to contend against top competition. Even when Cotto fought Mosley to a 12 round decision, their were spots in Cotto’s game that would get him in trouble against a Boxer who could exploit those holes. Aslong as Mosley continued to use “Power Boxing”, landing a flush shot on Cotto was slim.
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If im not mistaken, you once reference Manny as Pacroid. So go ahead, shit on Manny’s wins all you want, its not like I am going to convince you that he is by far the most awesome fighter boxing has to offer these days.
PS. No need to blockquote the whole comment especially when you are the first one to reply to it.
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You have to admit he has a point
you can find just as many holes in the fighters Mannys gone up against as you can in Floyds and people like to do that all the time, but do it to Pacquiao and people act like it’s not cool. I’m sorry but this is just too much Mayweather defending for one day, I feel like I’m arguing for Hitler over Ghandi.
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I'm happy I watched this at Buffalo Wild Wings
I didn’t have to pay a cover. You had to expect this though from Clottey. But if I ordered this on PPV or was at Cowboy Stadium? Yeah, I’d be super pissed. After 4, it just seemed like Clottey’s entire plan was to go to decision. When he did let loose he was landing but he’d land a big combo then throw up his arms and just stand infront of Pacquiao. That was the most frustrating part.
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That's what I'm saying
I’m happy I didn’t buy it because I knew it was going to be that fight. The guys at the bar were saying the same. But a lot of people buy fights based on names (Pacquiao is exciting, so this fight will be exciting). If I spent the $400 to see it live and got that result, yeah I’d be pissed.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 14, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Part of the 5 percent
I’m a fan of both MMA and boxing. I train in boxing. If boxing were run like MMA — with a finite number of promotions putting on shows at regular intervals and trying to match up the best guys at each weight — I’d probably be more of a boxing fan than an MMA fan.
But as it stands, I follow MMA much more closely and find the product — especially the UFC product — far more compelling than anything in boxing.
This whole thing with Manny and Floyd has left me even more disillusioned. I realize you can draw a parallel to Fedor-Brock, but those kinds of issues are more the exception than the rule in MMA.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
I really don't care.
Boxing is boxing and we should not expect much. The people here who are arguing about Floyd and why that fight didn’t happen, maybe we should all just be happy Dana is an evil tyrant who puts on good fights.
This wasn’t a mega fight, why did we get results? There is even a round by round in Fanposts. I quit watching boxing because it was a shitty product, fighters don’t push to finish, bloated records and rankings, crooked judging, and the fighters quit respecting the sweat science and turned it into a thugfest. Now I log on to my MMA site and I see all this boxing crap again.
Someone must have forced you against your will to click on the link then. I’m sure there’s a million other places where you can find the usual “Fedor is awesome/No Fedor sucks” discussion threads.
by joshyboy708 on Mar 14, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent post. I see you
make the most of your 29 posts.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/3/2/1333093/the-natural-tension-between#31590028
Why did you bother posting there? Pot and kettle.
For starters, any fight involving Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather is a “mega fight” from here on out. There’s a reason the UFC moved the Machida/Rua fight away from Pretty Boy’s date with Shane Mosley.
Second, and this gets said every single time we report on boxing, we are a mixed martial arts blog. Boxing is a facet of mixed martial arts. No one complains when we cover ADCC or K-1 or whatever events tangently related to MMA. Yet post some boxing and panties get bundled.
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I've said it before and I think the comparison is apt
Complaining about discussing mma and boxing is on par with decathlon fans not wanting to discuss Usain Bolt and the 100 meter dash.
Insulting a post count? Really dude? Did I wind up on a sherdog forum and not realize it or something? And your right on one count, I shouldn’t have bothered posting there. But the question remains, if reading boxing articles on a mma blog bothers you so much….. then why read a boxing article on a mma blog? On the positive side I’m honored that you’d actually go to the lengths to research me.
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