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A Freakshow Fight Worth Booking: Kickboxing Legend Jerome Le Banner vs Tim Sylvia

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Head Kick Legend reports:

Apparently, Le Banner has been clamoring to get a 2-fight contract with UFC. His hope was to come in for 2 fights only, then return to K-1. For understandable reasons, neither the UFC nor FEG were much interested in this, so it fizzled out. But that doesn't push his MMA hopes aside. In his goals for 2010, Le Banner has stated that he wants to face both Alistair Overeem and Tim Sylvia in MMA fights. Overeem should come as no surprise due to the MMA v. K-1 angle he pushed last year, while the Sylvia fight is a rehash from a few years ago. During Sylvia's UFC HW title reign, some heated words were exchanged over the internet between Sylvia and Le Banner, including Le Banner stating "I will fix his chicken legs with some good low kicks" and insulting Sylvia's boring style. Affliction reportedly considered the fight at one point, though in the end nothing ever came of it. Well, apparently Le Banner remembered and is ready for the fight now. And to be honest, now's not a bad time for it. Given each man's fading star, a clash in Dream is not as bizarre an idea today as it was in 2006.

For those of you who don't know Le Banner, here's a bit from his wikipedia entry:

Jérôme "Geronimo" Le Banner (born December 26, 1972), also known as "Hyper Battle Cyborg" or "The Bulldog of Normandy" is a French professional kickboxer and K-1 superstar, famous for his aggressive fighting style and knockout power.

He is a legend in the K-1 sport and is still considered to be the best fighter to never win the K-1 World Grand Prix Title. He has knocked out top ranked fighters such as, Peter Aerts, Ernesto Hoost, Francisco Fihlo, Mike Bernardo and holds other notable wins over Remy Bonjasky and Mark Hunt.

He's 75-18-1-1 as a kickboxer and 3-1-1 in MMA. He's 37 but is far from washed up, having made the quarter finals of the K-1 World Grand Prix last year, losing to Semmy Schilt. Tim Sylvia has been trying to get a fight in DREAM -- and reportedly turned down an offered fight in DREAM.13 against Josh Barnett. Sylvia vs Le Banner would be a natural fight I'd love to see DREAM book. 

And it's not like Big Tim is above doing a freakshow fight or two, from USA TODAY:

Ex-UFC champion Tim Sylvia has been signed to face five-time World's Strongest Man winner Mariusz Pudzianowski on April 23 in Worcester, Mass., promoters Corey Fischer and Eric "Butterbean" Esch told the Boston Herald.     

I'd much rather see Tim vs Le Banner than against Wes Sims or Mariusz Pudzianowski. But I expect Big Tim will be gun shy of taking on an elite level striker after Ray Mercer showed him what respect means.

Le Banner Highlight video in the full entry.

UPDATE: Judging from the comments and the hate mail I really misstepped with this headline. Certainly I'm not intending any disrespect to these two fighters. Sylvia is, after all a two-time UFC heavyweight champ, and like I pointed out, Le Banner is one of the greatest kickboxers of all time to never win the big one.

I meant "Freakshow Fight" in the context of fights like the rumored Kimbo Slice vs James Toney match or Sylvia's rumored bout with Pudzianowski or his bout with Mercer. Or any fight involving Herschel Walker.

It's a freak show in the sense that it has no implications for title contention. But on the spectrum of sport vs spectacle, I'd say that Le Banner vs Sylvia would be a 4 on the spectacle scale.

For comparison:

 

  • Tim Sylvia vs Mariusz Pudzianowski = 7 
  • Tim Sylvia vs Ray Mercer = 8
  • James Toney vs Kimbo Slice in MMA would be a 9 (only 5 if it was under pro boxing rules)
  • James Toney vs Herschel Walker = 10

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I would watch that

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by donkeypunch on Mar 12, 2010 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve been wanting to see this fight for a while now. I’d be completely ecstatic if this finally happened. Even though I know it will never happen, I pick Le Banner ever grand prix.

by Chris Barton on Mar 12, 2010 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

Are you a Cubs fan?

"For your information, I would like to ask a question."
-Samuel Goldwyn

by fedorade on Mar 12, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He can't be,

Le Banner has actually won something.

by Riney on Mar 12, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Bengals fan

so it’s mostly the same :p

by Chris Barton on Mar 15, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel the MMA community is getting a bit loose with its definition of a “freakshow” fight, in the same way that “can” is totally overused.

by Chris Nelson on Mar 12, 2010 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

Le Banner vs Sylvia wouldn’t really be that freaky at all

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by Kid Nate on Mar 12, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Btw Lebanner is 3-1-1 on sherdog, I don’t if they messed up.

"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."

by spectaa on Mar 12, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

ah you have more faith in the sherdog data entry than i do

just kidding.
Wikipedia has more fights recorded for him. Not sure why they’re not in sherdog.

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by Kid Nate on Mar 12, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait… I’m looking at Wikipedia and the Fight Finder right now, and they both say 3-1-1…

Sherdog data entry team ftw :)

by Chris Nelson on Mar 12, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

fuck my bad

5-3 is his boxing record!

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by Kid Nate on Mar 12, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

I would define this as an irrelevant fight, but not so sure about freakshow

by espino on Mar 12, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Or the same way that every wrestler is called a ‘lay and prayer’ now.

by argyle on Mar 12, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Or that every challenger is not worthy of a Title fight.

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-Samuel Goldwyn

by fedorade on Mar 12, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be awesome

“would be a natural fight I’d love to see DREAM book. "

Absolutly. I want to see this fight so bad !
Even is all WGP title chances are gone for JLB, I always like to see him fight.

by bawzz on Mar 12, 2010 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

Sylvia would get destroyed. I’d bet my dog on JLB.

by MMAEruption on Mar 12, 2010 5:58 PM EST reply actions  

Inclined to agree with you there, especially after the Mercer fight.

JLB’s on the back end of his career, but still one tough sumbitch with rocks in his hands.

by Chris Nelson on Mar 12, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If Sylvia was a good wrestler and a better athlete he might have a shot. I think Tim’s body has broken down quite a bit over the years. He just doesn’t seem very durable.

by MMAEruption on Mar 12, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sylvia is too slow, and aside from the Telligman KO, doesn’t use kicks. JLB will pick him apart with leg kicks, most likely.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 12, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

is your dog a big maineiac fan?

"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.

by Rayce. on Mar 12, 2010 6:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No, my dog’s favorite fighter is Alan Belcher.

by MMAEruption on Mar 12, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d love to see that

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by midwestbred on Mar 12, 2010 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

i cant imagine timmy doing well in this at all

by Richard Doughty on Mar 12, 2010 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

What an utterly ridiculous circus

On a serious note, this isn’t a freak show at all.

by bleve_ on Mar 12, 2010 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

I don't really expect Timmy to be able to withstand Pudzianowski's leg kicks;

he’d get owned by Le Banner.

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by Llewdor on Mar 12, 2010 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

I guess I’m in the minority here, but I’d think TIm would be a favourite here.

I would really like to see this. It would really depend on Tim’s gameplan. if he pushed forward quickly and used a lot of clinch work he could grind out a victory he could do well.

by TLow on Mar 12, 2010 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

I just watched that highlight reel. A little slow paced, but at 2.10, holy hell. That’s every bit as brutal as Rampage-Silva II

by TLow on Mar 12, 2010 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

LeBanner has been calling out Sylvia for years

He always said that Sylvia was overrated as a striker and would school him, which I think he will do easily.

This is definitely not a freak show. Freak show would be someone with no experience or someone bought to the cage for publicity and image purposes. Think Toney, Kimbo, Walker etc.

LeBanner is no freak. He can easily adapt his style like Crocop or Barry and is multi dimensional unlike a James Toney.

by cyke on Mar 12, 2010 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

I didn't say Le Banner was a freak

my word choice was poor, but the point I was attempting to make was that this was a fight worth booking, much better than any of Sylvia’s recent choices.

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by Kid Nate on Mar 12, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

dude you hand out the “10” rating too freely, if you give james toney/herschel walker a 10 rating, then what does walker/canseco get.

by kanodogg on Mar 12, 2010 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

A fish.

Numbers fail to accurately represent data at that freakshow level.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 12, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If this fight is a "freakshow", I guess freakshow just doesn't mean anything anymore.

If there were some way to give this article a negative rec, I’d do it based on the title alone. This isn’t the first time in the past couple weeks I’ve retched at the disgusting inaccuracy of a Bloody Elbow headline compared to the actual content.

It isn’t the second or third time either.

by BillyJane on Mar 12, 2010 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

I think we got it now.

"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."

by spectaa on Mar 12, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

man

you guys need to read avoid reading the actual news if MMA coverage is upsetting you this much.

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by Kid Nate on Mar 12, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

New Verbage

This would be more of a side show….not freak show.

by MMA_Messiah on Mar 12, 2010 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

I'd love to see the fight, it'd be perfect for a DREAM card.

Also man Le Banner and Hoost had some all out wars in the past

by ChillMike on Mar 12, 2010 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

i don't think

it’s fair to call this a freak fight….. both men can fight and it’s not the first time or unusual for a k-1 athlete to compete in mma

by cagefightonacid on Mar 12, 2010 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

This… would be great, actually. I’d personally like Semmy Schilt back in the UFC

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by Anthony Pace on Mar 12, 2010 8:20 PM EST reply actions  

He’s too busy setting records in K-1 and not getting any credit for it.

by HarmlessNinja on Mar 13, 2010 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

So if my understanding is correct?

Any fight not booked under zuffa umbrella=freakshow

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Mar 12, 2010 9:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I want to see Mariusz P rampage powerbomb sylvia

I am one of the few that believe Mariusz will go far in MMA

by Pain on Mar 12, 2010 9:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

It’s official the term freakshow has been basterdized and drived into the ground.

by Raker on Mar 12, 2010 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

Yes!

It has been drived into the ground!

by CSKit on Mar 13, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh, I love how Kid Nate has to justify all his posts with addendums

by Postpubescent on Mar 13, 2010 3:01 AM EST reply actions  

hey when I fuck up

I’m not too big to admit it.

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by Kid Nate on Mar 13, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

nah it’s like you gotta convince people you’re not a evil person everytime you right I don’t think you have to justify having your opinions, but yeah—fixing errors, sure

by Postpubescent on Mar 13, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like LeBanner so hopefully whatever was going on during the GP is sorted out because he did not show up in any sort of way to challenge Schilt.

by HarmlessNinja on Mar 13, 2010 7:32 AM EST reply actions  

Since we’re all piling on with criticism here, I’d say that “no implications for title contention” isn’t a good definition for freakshow fight. Lots of reasonable, competitive fights don’t have much to do with title contention.

The way I see it, a freakshow fight is one booked first are foremost for spectacle. That can be because the participants are oddities (really huge people, minor celebrities, outsize personalities etc,), because the fight itself is such a colossal mismatch, or for any other reason such that the competitiveness or sport-appropriateness of the bout is completely beside the point.

I have a feeling that’s what Nate was getting at anyway, but I always gotta nitpick.

by JRN on Mar 13, 2010 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

yes

that’s what i was shooting for.
in retrospect I should’ve said “Hey Tim Sylvia Forget the Freak Shows, Fight Jerome Le Banner”

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by Kid Nate on Mar 13, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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