Is Zuffa Really in Trouble? UFC's Spring Events Hold the Answer
With the news that WEC 47 only pulled in a very weak 0.46 rating (373,000 viewers) and UFC 110 trended low pay-per-view buyrates in the neighborhood of 215,000 to 240,000, a panic among many analysts and fans has swept the blogosphere pretty rapidly. Some writers believe oversaturation is the main culprit while others believe the past flops have simply been underwhelming cards in terms of match-ups. Zuffa's persistence in pushing UFC events despite having a rash of injuries plague entire fight cards could also have led to some dismal numbers, but the future should prove that Zuffa is still king in the world of mixed martial arts.
The next few months should play an important role in determining whether Zuffa is truly in for a recession of their own. The timetable for the upcoming events along with their main headliners is as follows:
UFC 111 (March 27, 2010): Georges St. Pierre vs. Dan Hardy, Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin, Fitch vs. Alves
UFC 112 (April 10, 2010): Anderson Silva vs. Demian Maia, B.J. Penn vs. Frankie Edgar, Hughes vs. Gracie
UFC 113 (May 8, 2010): Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio Rua, Josh Koscheck vs. Paul Daley
UFC 114 (May 29, 2010): Rampage Jackson vs. Rashad Evans, Griffin vs. Rogerio Nogueira
UFC 115 (June 12, 2010): Tito Ortiz vs. Chuck Liddell, Wanderlei Silva vs. Akiyama, Thiago vs. Kampmann
UFC 116 (July 3, 2010): Brock Lesnar vs. Velasquez or Carwin/Mir winner
I also mentioned that there is a lot of potential for Brock Lesnar to bring home a record-breaking amount of bacon following his fight at UFC 116. Even if he loses to Mir or Carwin, there are legitimate contenders waiting in the wings that will make for drawing fights toward the end of 2010 into early 2011.
UFC 111 should provide a substantial increase from UFC 110 as Georges St. Pierre and Dan Hardy have had ample time to promote the fight along with plenty of exposure to fans. The trash-talking arrogant ways that Hardy has pushed onto past opponents can't hurt either. Add in Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin and we should see something over 350,000 at the very least. I'll be conservative as Carwin isn't exactly a well-known figure among casual fans and he's been out for nearly a year.
UFC 112 should be the blockbuster with the exception of possibly being beaten out by UFC 116. Penn and Silva combined for 850,000 buys back at UFC 101, although the opponents were much more intriguing as it was perceived that Griffin would provide a challenge to Silva and the same could be said for Florian. I imagine it'll be less than that number, but may spike above 600,000.
UFC 113 might get some bigger buys due to the controversy of Machida-Shogun I while UFC 114 and UFC 115 should see solid returns from proven veteran drawing powers. UFC 116 should be a guaranteed payday for Zuffa unless injuries plague the card.
Overall, we're looking at a five month run in which Zuffa could bounce back with a vengeance in terms of increased pay-per-view revenue and numbers of viewers. Even more intriguing is the fact that several future bouts that could produce huge revenue could also come to fruition if certain outcomes happen. Most notably, the top tier of the heavyweight division in Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin, Frank Mir, and Cain Velasquez with Junior Dos Santos and Gabriel Gonzaga now looking in could be very, very lucrative.
The WEC is in a different boat, and I believe the promotion solely depends on how well the WEC 48 pay-per-view buys look. Urijah Faber is certainly the drawing power of the promotion, but can he actually feed the WEC with more than 100,000 buys? I'm not holding out hope, but if the sole purpose of the WEC has been to take up some space in the landscape of the television market to stop other promotions from gaining steam -- does it really matter if the promotion makes a lot of money? As long as they aren't dropping bags of cash off the back of the truck, it's still a viable promotion in stopping their competitors. There aren't too many competitors anymore though.
Jose Aldo could be the key to resurgent ratings for the WEC. His explosive style and power could bring more fans to Versus to watch him fight. Unfortunately, the WEC doesn't have a plethora of fighters just like him who can twitch their leg and explosively split someone's melon open in a split second, and I've always been a proponent that a merge, even without the marketing, would allow these smaller guys to sell themselves on a UFC pay-per-view. That probably won't happen, and it may not need to happen if the WEC is simply a placeholder blocking off promotions like Bellator or the MFC.
I don't think we need to worry too much at this point. The overall quality of the past few cards won't compare to the quality of the upcoming events. Fans need to be a bit more realistic in the drawing power of many of the former PRIDE stars and even some of the TUF alums who've made a name for themselves. It isn't as high as you think. Fighters like Wanderlei Silva and the Nogueira brothers have very little drawing power in the UFC right now.
Keep an eye on UFC 111 and UFC 112. If UFC 112 actually pulls a dismal number, cause for concern is probably warranted. As for right now, Zuffa isn't in trouble... yet.
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Good article Leland. However, don’t you think it’s possible that UFC 111 outdraws UFC 112 due to several factors (advertising with Primetime plus proven draws, as well as 112 being on delay) and that this outcome really wouldn’t be that negative of a sign?
It’s definitely possible. I just worry that Carwin has been out for so long that most people will assume Mir is going to thrash him and move on.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
That very well could be. More than anything, I guess I’m just saying that 111 could set up to do more buys than 112, even though 112 also has 2 title fights and some proven PPV drawing power. And if 111 did draw more, that may not be a concern (again, depending on the final buys of each).
If 111 does do more, and by more — a very, very good number — it’s only better for Zuffa anyways. I’m somewhat interested more in UFC 114 and UFC 115 and how they’ll do.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Good point. UFC 111 doing better sets up the UFC for an even BIGGER UFC 116, as Lesnar’s oppoenent will be seen by all those eyes, and they’ll start hyping the future matchup.
114 and 115 are interesting. I like the 114 card, but don’t know if it has huge PPV drawing power. 115 also looks pretty good, but I’d feel much better about it if they had Couture-Franklin as the main event and Tito-Liddell as co-main. I just don’t see the latter as a great main event at this point, even if the undercard is great.
a GSP headliner doing 350K buys is weak imo.
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by vivero on Mar 11, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I think it is as well… but that’s being conservative if there actually is an oversaturation problem happening. GSP vs. Hardy with Mir vs. Carwin should do 450-500k in my opinion.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well i`ll head up the liberal side i guess
And go with 700+.
If a card with Penn and Mir can do 620 (according to wiki), then a card with Mir in a 5 round (fake) title fight and GSP headlining, through in Fitch and Alves as well, i think you`re looking at a bump of at least 100k.
Of course i don`t actually know what i`m talking about or anything.
by The Flying Gentleman on Mar 11, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
And the GSP Vs Hardy Prime time deal. forgot to mention that as well.
by The Flying Gentleman on Mar 11, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Over that last year and excluding UFC 100 (because of the huge numbers) the average buy rate for events featuring a title fight has been 671,666 buys.
Machida vs Rua was the card with the lowest buy rate and it pulled 500,000 buys.
If GSP and Mir combine for only 500,000 buys then there is a problem.
Leland, I have to respectfully disagree with you here...
The idea of an oversaturation problem doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
The thing is, people haven’t been buying the cards lately, so how are the cards oversaturating them. I have friends that have been saying “When’s the next big card?” ever since UFC 107. These other cards just didn’t spark the interest of many casuals.
Do we really think the 1,000,000 plus potential buyers have all turned their backs on the UFC?
UFC 91, 92, 94, 100, 101 are not that far away and have all done 800,000 +
Do we have any legit reason to beleive most of those people have turned their backs on the UFC.
The UFC should be worried if GSP and Mir can’t pull 600,000 fans
Disagree with what?
All I’m saying is that if oversaturation is a problem, then the rate could be lower.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing...
I would expect it to be above 500k. I can’t wait for these upcoming cards.
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by ANance on Mar 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think 500k...
Is a realistic goal for that card.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Leland, TUF 11 Starts Mar 31 and TUF has a solid built in audience.
That weekly audience gets fed ad after ad for the PPV’s, are there any numbers reflecting buy rates relative to when TUF runs vs the rest of the year?
I work in marketing, and I have to believe it would have a sizable effect on buy rates.
It’s possible it might squeeze out some more buyrates for some of these events, but I don’t think it’s going to bring a lot more business to PPVs. It certainly has an effect though. I wouldn’t say sizable though. I don’t know, suppose it depends on your definition of sizable.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
2008 UFC Events
I don’t know if anything is relevant here.
I could only find the top 8 PPV Buy rates:
UFC 80: Penn vs Stevenson NR
UFC 81: Silvia vs Nogueira / Mir vs Lesnar 4th
UFC 82: Silva vs Henderson NR
UFC 83: GSP vs Serra 6th TUF 7
UFC 84: Penn vs Sherk 8th TUF 7
UFC 85: Hughes vs Alvez NR TUF 7
UFC 86: Rampage vs Griffin 5th TUF 7 Coaches
UFC 87: GSP vs Fitch Lesnar vs Herring 3rd
UFC 88: Liddell vs Evans 7th
UFC 89: Bisping vs Leben Spike TV
UFC 90: Silva vs Cote NR TUF 8
UFC 91: Couture vs Lesnar 2nd TUF 8
UFC 92: Mir vs Nogueira 1st TUF 8 Coaches
So if I’m not mistaken:
There were 12 UFC PPV’s in 2008
The two events that featured TUF coaches were top 5 events
7 events ran during TUF seasons or featured TUF coaches 5 finished in the top 8
3 of the top 5 events featured Lesnar
3 of the top 5 events occured during TUF seasons or with TUF coaches
5 of the top 8 events occured during TUF seasons or with TUF coaches
Of the top 8 events, 7 occured during TUF or feature Lesnar
2009 UFC Events
Again I don’t know what is relevant, but I found it interesting
UFC 93: Franklin vs. Henderson NR
UFC 94: St. Pierre vs. Penn II 2nd
UFC 95: Sanchez vs. Stevenson Spike
UFC 96: Jackson vs. Jardine NR
UFC 97: Silva vs Leites 5th TUF 9
UFC 98: Evans vs. Machida 6th TUF 9
UFC 99: Franklin vs. Silva 11th TUF 9
UFC 100: Mir vs Lesnar II 1st TUF 9 coaches
UFC 101: Penn vs Florian 3rd
UFC 102: Couture vs. Nogueira 8th
UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort t9th TUF
UFC 104: Machida vs. Shogun 7th TUF
UFC 105: Couture vs. Vera NR TUF
UFC 106: Ortiz vs. Griffin II t9th TUF
UFC 107: Penn vs. Sanchez 4th TUF was supposed to have TUF 10 coaches
If I am correct:
There were 13 UFC PPV’s in 2009
4 of the top 5 benifitted from TUF in some way.
7 of the top 10 top benefitted from T
2 of the top 4 had (or were supposed to have TUF coaches)
The top seven cards featured title fights, the botton 6 did not.
I don’t know if there is any pattern or anything to take home from this, but
Big events always sell like big events, but I think lesser shows take a hit.
Did Franklin vs Belfort and Franklin Silva have that much more natural hype than Franklin vs Henderson or Jackson vs Jardine? TUF may have score 30 – 40,000 more buys.
Show featuring TUF coaches do well.
The lowest buy rate for any UFC title fight in 2009 was UFC 104 Machida vs Shogun with 500,000 buys.
3 Things
1) I think at least a few PPV’s may take a hit based on how many PPV’s there are. If you are a UFC, WWE, and big boxing fight fan. Then there are 10 PPV’s to order between now and the end of May. That is about 500 if you order them all(600 in HD). Even if you take out WWE there are still 7 UFC,WEC, and big boxing PPV’s.
2) UFC on Versus will do poorly as well. Partially because Versus is still off Direc TV and partially because while hardcore fans are salvating at Jones/Vera and JDS/Gabe, they are not draws.
3)It will be interesting to see if WEC 48 flops on PPV with the low numbers on Versus if they would reconsider bringing in the main guys and making the WEC a feeder league.
I beleive UFC 111 will do bigger numbers than 112
It has been a while sine GSP has been in the ring and both he and Mir are proven draws.
112 has the dilema of tape delay as well. From the look of it it would have to be an overnight tape delay as well. If I am not mistaken, it is 25 minutes after midnight (Friday AM) in Abu Dhabi right now, and unless they plan on doing a 7 am show (on sunday) they won’t be live.
i project 115
will not have good #s given that line up. Sure, there is your TUF hype, but Liddell and Ortiz aren’t the draws that they once were. Ortiz/Griffin II didnt do good PPV buys as expected. Liddell is not as marketable anymore because of the losses. Silva vs Sexy would be a huge draw, in Japan
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Any word
On a Countdown show for Jones/Vera? I would imagine that could really help with the ratings.
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I’m pretty sure they aired a special for the event on VS directly after the last WEC on VS.
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by ANance on Mar 11, 2010 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, goody.
More UFC I can’t see.
They really need to get this resolved!
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I'd love to see the UFC absorb more weight classes..
To ask for a title fight card sounds like a lot, but it would be doable if the WEC got rolled up. I know it won’t happen but the potential to draw former fans that only cared about LW-HW (me for one) is huge. If they got these lightning fast and entertaining guys in front of more eyes, the product sells itself. If anyone can get the UFC to think about this, it’ll be Aldo. Guy is a stick of dynamite.
by ScooterMagruder on Mar 11, 2010 3:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
A few quick thoughts:
1) The UFC has been adding a ppv date every year and have finally reached the saturation point. For a large number of fans they budget things on a monthly basis. For better ppv returns they should never run two ppv within three weeks of each other. UFC 80 appeared 3 weeks after 79 and 2 weeks before 82 and only did 225,000 buys while the others did 650,000 and 600,000 respectively. UFC 85 is two weeks after 84 and only does 215,000 buys. 90 is booked within three weeks of 91 and does 300,000 buys. 93 is nestled between two other shows and does 350,000 buys. And 94 actually underperforms with GSP and BJ Penn. A sizable chunk of fans only want to buy one show a month.
2) Belts matter. Many fans (casuals) are discriminating in their purchases by only choosing title matches to buy. Last year cards headlined by a title defense averaged 800,000+ buys while those without averaged only 375,000. Now think how much better some of those cards would have done if they could have had Brown vs Faber for the title?
3) Never have more than 1 non-title card in a row. It’s apparent that a healthy dose of fans choose not to purchase non-title match events. But if you string more than one such card back-to-back(-to back) you find that it is cumulative as a percentage of fans are peeled off with each new card. 108 = 300,000.,109 = 275,000 and110 = 240,000. 102 = 435,00 and 103 = 375,000. 84 = 475,000 and 85 = 215,000. Every time a non-title card follows another non-title card it does worst as more fans decide against purchasing it and the previous lost fans decide against returning.
by nottheface on Mar 11, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Those are fair points. I think the title point is a good one as casual fans can be discriminating. Also, I think the amount of money fans are spending on PPVs is definitely something that should be addressed.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
lol Nice!
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by Rayce. on Mar 11, 2010 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I really wish the overseas cards were on a premium channel like HBO.
Dubai is 10 hours ahead of CST. 8pm start time there becomes 6 am here. I just don’t see how this can get good ppv numbers. As the Olympics has shown, if it isn’t live it isn’t going to be watched. This is the age of instant news that becomes almost unavoidable. Most people will probably know the results of 112 before they watch it.
If they are 10 hours ahead, that means 8pm SAT start is 10am SAT where you are. I’m not commenting on whether the 10 hours is correct, but appears you went 10 hours the other direction.
These Olympics had great ratings, and a lot of “hardcore fans” complaining (including myself). I would guess that the UFC PPV crowd is a different group than the moderately female crowd that watches olympics.
Use all ten points.
oversaturation is a big part of the problem; but at least all but one of the PPVs listed is on my list for ones I want to see. I’m definitely not going to add any WEC PPV events to the already too many MMA PPVs to watch out there though.
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Context it’s the thing that is missing whenever anyone talks about Zuffa’s numbers be it ratings or buyrates. People seem to have no clue what they mean and just throw out numbers left and right without having any real backing behind them. Which is why it’s hard to take these articles seriously when people don’t even know what they mean. I’m no expert but whenever I see numbers or figures thrown around without any context it’s really hard to have a real conversation when people don’t know what they are talking about.
ppvs will soon be a thing of the past
as the sport gets more mainstream zuffa will realize that casual sports fans dont buy ppvs or pay for their sports only fight fans do and zuffa is creating too many ppv cards to keep doing this
the ratings on the ufc fight nights have been higher than ever and last seasons TUF had the highest numbers ever
now is the time for that network deal to come to play, get brock lesnar and UFC 116 on nbc and the spike in interest for mma will rise greatly
mainstream sports cannot succeed on a ppv method that is what helped killed boxing, if u run out of draws the sport will no longer succeed the way it once did) if zuffa wants to keep doing ppvs then they need to cut down on the shows if they want to keep expanding free tv is the way to go.
Networks are not going to pay anywhere near the kind of money that ppvs do. Last offer from NBC was around one million for ppv level main events. Even the weakest ppvs bring more money.
Strikeforce is on CBS and they have a goal of…ppv.
eventually though the money generated off of network cards will get higher
if the ufc has a network card it will be a big deal it’ll be hyped properly and i believe draw high ratings, what they need is coverage on espn, network shows, and mainstream media acceptance if zuffa can accomplish these 3 goals mma can truly grow into one of the largest sports in the world
Are you sure about that NBC offer be only 1 million for a PPV level?
I thought I read Spike was paying at least 2 million for Fight Nights.
Just BE.
Even at 2 million for fight nights
and just 400,000 buys at $50 each…
That’s a lot of money Zuffa would be leaving on the table to go to free tv all the time.
They will stay PPV. There’s a reason no major boxing title fight has been free since Ali was in his prime.
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Great as always.
Leland,
As always, you deliver and excellent article. For me, you are the main reason to frequent Bloody Elbow.
Thanks for the encouraging words, my friend.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions

4 out 5 champs out will hurt your PPV sales. I’m glad this article is trying to put things in perspective so people will chill.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 11, 2010 4:00 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Hobbes makes it so much better too.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
For sure. Eveyone tends to over react. One good PPV like UFC 100 and MMA is taking over the world!!!!!! One bay PPV and MMA is going to fail tomorrow. Calm down ppl.
You nailed it.
I think MMA is in this niche area and will stay there until the big wigs and old money with ESPN, CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox retire and/or die and younger people that understand the value of the sport more come along.
by JimJoe on Mar 11, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that UFC 111 will show that GSP is a bigger draw than he seems to be getting credit for. I think that it is quite possible he is the biggest drawing fighter behind Brock. I’m a huge GSP fan, so perhaps that is just wishful thinking. I can’t see 111 drawing less than 500k buys.
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exactly. if a GSP & Mir event does less than 500K, ill be very pessimistic for non Brock events. I am expecting 111 to have more buys than 112.
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It ultimately doesn't matter to UFC, I don't think
UFC 112 isn’t there to get a huge number. That would just be a bonus. UFC 112 is to keep Zuffa’s new multi-multi-billionaire happy. All in all, a good investment, even if not a single person buys the ppv.
i think ur right,
but im sure it is going to help the sport grow there as well. With all of the revenue coming in from all of these other tv deals around the world, I think all of the ppv money will jusy become a bonus eventually.
Since the UFC will now be in theaters those numbers will need to be factored in as well from now.
Just BE.
UFC 111 I think will do very well as I believe that GSP is the second biggest draw in the UFC and with Mir and Carwin as the co main event will get alot of buys and I wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up doing more then 750,000 buys.
I think UFC 112 will be hurt by the fact that it will be overseas. If the card was being held in North America I would guess it would do 600,000 to 700,000 buys, but with it being overseas and tape delayed I’m guessing it will end up with 350,000 to 450,000 buys.
UFC 113 with the Shogun/ Machida rematch and with Kimbo being added to the card should do well. Without Kimbo I would think they would do 400,000 to 450,000 so it should be interesting to see how well Kimbo draws on ppv.
UFC 114 falls on the holiday weekend in May and last years card I believe drew very well with Evans vs Machida and Hughes vs Serra and with this years card featuring Evans vs Rampage and Griffen vs Lil Nog and having both Deigo Sanchez and Micheal Bisping fighting on the card should be able to do as well if not better then last year.
UFC 115 is interesting as most hardcore fans have no interest in Chuck vs Tito 3 but with them both coaching this seasons TUF and will both their past fights doing big ppv buys and the fact the both get alot of main stream coverage should generate a ppv buy north of 600,000.
And finally with UFC 116 being headlined by a returning Lesnar and with James Toney possibly making his UFC debut on the card this card should do the biggest number of all. I think out of the three possible challengers for Lesnar that a rubber match with Frank Mir will draw the most buys. They will also generate ppv buys from people intrigued to see how James Toney will do that normally wouldn’t buy the card. I think that a fight between Toney and Rich Franklin could be a good match up with Toney getting to fight a former champion how likes to stand up and doesn’t have a strong wrestling background.
It also doesn’t hurt thats its on holiday weekend as past cards on holiday weekends have shown to draw large numbers and none have had a big of headliner such as Brock Lesnar on the card. This card should do more then a million ppv buys but won’t beat UFC 100’s numbers.
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by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 11, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Good article but....
300,000 buys and Zuffa still makes a ton of cash. We have had the big PPV guys (Brock, GSP, Penn) on the sideline for awhile. If they do 20 shows a year at 350,000 average buy rate, that is a lot of cheddar.
Zuffa will stay the king of MMA til someone does more shows and makes more money. Right now, there isn’t a second place. Maybe I took you out of context.
Belief in the brand
The thing to remember is that the UFC still makes money on 300k PPV buys. While I think White believes a little too much in the power of the UFC brand (show it and they will watch, even if it’s two B level fighters carrying the card) its hard to argue against it if they’re making money on these events.
Also it’s important to note that the UFC has been making inroads into new territories that will produce larger world wide buys down the road if the sport truly takes root in places like Australia and Abu Dhabi. I think Zuffa realizes that they can only “milk” the US and Canadian markets for so long and maintain their rocket like trajectory.
One thing Zuffa absolutely needs to stop doing is these rash of shows they do. Sometimes they’ll go a month, maybe slightly longer with no shows whatsoever. Then it’s a Fight Night. Four days later, a PPV. Then two weeks later ANOTHER PPV. And then you sometimes fit in some type of special fight night or a WEC in there as well. So you end up with like…four shows, all from the same company, in about the span of a month.
Here’s the perfect example.
UFC on Versus – March 21st
UFC 111 – March 27th
UFN 21 – March 31st
UFC 112 – April 10th
UFN 22 – April 17th
Five shows in one month. WHY DO THIS? One of those shows is going to take a hit, if only for sheer economic reasons. It’s a bad practice to force your own fans to pick and choose what PPV to buy.
To be fair, three are free… but it is overkill.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
FREE MMA is overkill. Stop it now Dana. How dare you!
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 11, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
You can’t claim “Over saturation” of the MMA market and then go “Well those shows are free, so they don’t count”. They do. When hardcores are going “Oh god” when they look at the upcoming MMA schedule there are serious problems.
Scheduling two PPV’s within two weeks of each other is madness, no matter how you break it down. Adding a bunch of free shows around all of them only makes it worse. And to further drive the point, UFC 112 will be tape delayed. Tape delayed PPV’s have never drawn significantly. UFC 112 is in a serious position for failure.
Tape delayed + Takes place two weeks after a major PPV + Surrounded by seven other major promotion MMA events = Recipe for a low buy rate.
Except UFC 112 has Anderson Silva and BJ Penn.
Tape delay with hurt them some but those guys sell PPVs.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 11, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
And....
2 shows are PPV out of the 5 you llsted.
UFC has done a free show before a PPV for a while. The free show is a way to promote the upcoming PPV. They’ve been doing it for a while.
UFC on Versus is the exception because that came about as a result of the Direct TV/ Versus drama.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 11, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
There is no proof that a tape delayed show with big stars will draw.
Just like how there is no proof that they won’t.
One thing that is being ignored, is BJ Penn’s big PPV draws were all against strong names. GSP, Florian & Diego are all guys with quite a lot of name value having been featured for years. Penn is facing a guy who has been opening PPV’s in Frankie Edgar in his first major fight. Edgar has no value as of right now. And it’s a fight where no one is giving Edgar any hope whatsoever.
But what cannot be argued is that UFC has put that card in a strongly unfavorable position by their card booking.
No matter what you feel personally, from a business perspective, two BIG MMA PPV’s back to back is a horrible move. People are not going to pay for two shows back to back. Either UFC 111 or UFC 112 will suffer as a result.
The numbers will tell the story.
What kind of MMA fan says ‘Oh go’ to a packed MMA schedule from the UFC and all other promotions? ummm…

by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 11, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure lots of people will be watching 111 from the theatres
so it will seem like they’re ‘losing PPV buys’ when we see the number… But if this still gets 500k buys (they have great ratings for primetime, so it’s possible), then it will be a huge huge success already.
PPV revenue plus the money from cinemas will probably make it a homerun for them.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 11, 2010 8:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Until the economy gets better,,,,
3 years ago my wife was working and making good money. Paying for one or two events a month was no big deal. Now her hours have been cut back, and I’m essentially the sole supporter of our family. Do I spend $50 or $100 a month on UFC, or do I buy my two small children the things they need? I may love MMA, but until the economy improves and my wife’s making more money, I’ll be reading the fight results online and waiting for the PPV rebroadcasts on free tv. Or I’ll get together with a number of my friends who are in the same boat and we’ll all chip in to watch it at one house.
The “official” unemployment rate where I live is hovering around 14%. In reality it’s closer to 20%. People are upside down on their mortgages. Homes are in foreclosure. Yet the UFC is partying like it’s 2004. If the UFC wants to pay my mortgage every month, I’ll be happy to party with them.
I mean this in the best possible way.
Go find Dave Ramsey. Read it. Do it. I ignore all the religious stuff, the money stuff is great.

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