Zuffa in Trouble Part 1: Weak Ratings for WEC 47
Throughout the fall and winter the UFC suffered from a string of bad luck, contract disputes and injuries to popular champions but refused to cut back on the number of events they held. Some of us warned that they were training their fans to only tune in for the biggest events.
Meanwhile Zuffa pressed ahead with plans for little brother org World Extreme Cagefighting to air a Pay Per View in 2010, despite the promotion not having succeeded in building a single draw fighter other than Urijah Faber.
MMA Junkie has the details on the WEC's poor numbers:
This past weekend's WEC 47 event on Versus scored a 0.46 household rating and 373,000 viewers.
The ratings were down sharply - 42 percent in all - compared to World Extreme Cagefighting's prior show, WEC 46 (640,000 viewers), which took place in January and benefited from proven draw Urijah Faber and a main-event title-unification bout between Benson Henderson and Jamie Varner.
WEC 45, which took place this past December, drew 330,000 viewers.
Michael David Smith breaks out the meaning of that a bit and the unhealthy reliance the WEC has on fading star Urijah Faber:
Faber is, by far, the WEC's biggest draw, and the success of his pay-per-view bout against Jose Aldo next month will go a very long way toward determining what kind of promotion the WEC is going forward.
...WEC 47 got a 0.46 household rating and 373,000 viewers on Versus, a 42 percent decline in viewership from WEC 46, which had Faber on the card. Overall, using the MMA Junkie numbers, in the last two years WEC cards that had Faber on them have averaged 936,000 viewers on Versus. WEC cards without Faber averaged 479,000 viewers.
Zach Arnold draws some conclusions:
First, the piss-poor rating should be cause for concern with UFC's upcoming March 21st rally with Brandon Vera vs. Jon Jones. America is all about branding and despite years and years of Comcast trying to push Versus as a major network, American viewers simply aren't buying into it. ESPN and its family of networks continue its dominance and Spike TV had long track records and programming that built those brands over many years. Versus has tried desperately with WEC and the NHL to try to boost ratings, but it simply hasn't worked. UFC is a strong brand but it's unlikely that they are going to build up Versus long-term like WWE helped build up Spike TV in the late 90s and early 00's.
Second, WEC's poor ratings not only indicate that the company is in a slide, but it also shows that Strikeforce has won a small battle amongst the hardcore fans. When Strikeforce on Showtime, a pay channel, is outdrawing Zuffa's child on a semi-non-premium cable channel. So, the idea that Strikeforce should move their 4/17 Nashville event to 4/24 to try to screw with the buyrate for the WEC debut PPV would be a reactionary one and one that wouldn't be productive for Scott Coker. Strikeforce needs to worry about expanding their base instead of fighting with Zuffa's Jr. company over hardcore fans. Running on 4/17 instead of 4/24 also avoids competition against the Super Six boxing series on Showtime.
Arnold gets to the bigger implications of the weak WEC ratings: the potential that UFC on Versus will be a bust.
Zuffa originally acquired the WEC and signed the deal with Versus as a way to keep competitors like the IFL from getting aired on the cable network. That deal -- which reportedly precludes the UFC from using the WEC as a true feeder league to develop prospects and give veterans some work on their way down the career ladder.
Instead they came up with the very self-limiting brand strategy of focusing solely on the smallest weight divisions, entirely killing the WEC's light heavyweight, middleweight and welterweight divisions. Additionally, the pretense that the WEC is a stand-alone organization has created the pressure on them to move to PPV to make money and give their few stars (ok, Urijah Faber) better pay days.
Now, with Versus' parent company Comcast's acquisition of NBC, Zuffa has actually deepened their ties to Versus, signing a deal to air two live UFC fighting events on the network in 2010. The first of these will feature Jon Jones vs Brandon Vera on March 21.
As our own Leland Roling has pointed out, Zuffa is focused on the long-term potential of the Versus relationship, rather than looking for short-term ratings:
Interestingly enough, most pundits and analysts believe that Comcast will try to vie for a stake of the mainstream sports market by pushing Versus up against sports' giant ESPN:
But Comcast's impending acquisition of NBC Universal will certainly set off an effort to turn Versus into a viable alternative, if not a full-fledged competitor, to ESPN, The New York Times's Richard Sandomir writes. Under Comcast's ownership, Versus has transformed from the Outdoor Life Network to OLN, then, in 2006, into its current incarnation.
Leland elaborated on that here:
Dana White and company will be likely be hoping for an end to the stand-off as the ratings can only improve with the potential for a larger fanbase. While high ratings are the quantifiable goal in the short term, the UFC likely has a long term goal that most fans haven't really thought or cared to think about. The WEC could use the boost in their viewership, but the NBC-Comcast merger is a much more likely catalyst to such a deal.
Why? This could be a way for the UFC to emerge as an option for NBC in the future if they happen to re-brand Versus into a standard sports cable network. The promise of 2-4 events per year with the highest grossing MMA promotion and a sister promotion that can put on a show per month with some of the more exciting weight classes in the sport is some good leverage to start.
With deals already in place with the WEC and the UFC, the merger between the media giants has put Zuffa in prime position to explode onto network television and as a possible regular on a cable sports network that could sit on a basic cable package next to ESPN. There is much more at stake than the WEC's ratings, and the lineup of fights for the first UFC event on Versus should be an indication of how much more important this really is than just the WEC.
My argument is that Zuffa and the UFC have been too focused on playing three-dimensional chess with international expansion, multiple U.S. television deals and the WEC's PPV gambit to focus on their bread and butter: UFC PPVs.
We'll talk about that in Part II: The Weak Showing of UFC 110.
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So Sensationalist.
Am i reading fox news?
I expect all this will be long forgotten after UFC 111 through 116 do huge numbers.
by The Flying Gentleman on Mar 11, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
what if they don’t do huge numbers?
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
Well then that`s be bad.
And THEN you start with this Zuffa in trouble stuff.
But why would you expect them to do anything other than huge numbers?
by The Flying Gentleman on Mar 11, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
huge to me would be getting close to or beating most of the biggest non-Brock cards. even without doing poorly, if the biggest of this string of cards tops out at say 500k, it would show that growth in interest is slowing down. not spelling doom, but hopefully Brock can fix this shit. seems like without him, casuals forget this stuff even exists. fuckin’ casuals with their casualness. I consider myself no more than a casual fan of things like basketball, baseball, and hockey, but god damn I know way more about those than casuals know about mma. rant over
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
But even before Brock fights again you have proven draws fighting on stacked cards.
I`ll bet right that at the very least 111, 112, and 113 all do over 500k.
Every time Zuffa puts on a quality card the likes of these 3, they sell, and they sell big. Brock really doesn’t have anything to do with it.
by The Flying Gentleman on Mar 11, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
The ufc don't care of Vera Jones on VS is a bust
The reason they are doing this, & the article clearly states this. They wanna spend the years building up vs the way the WWE built up Spike. & the WWE built up spike over the last 20 years. So this is a very long term thing for the ufc to literally create vs into a channel.
On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.
Viva L' America
by liptondrift on Mar 11, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Okay...
But why is that directed at me? Replay mishap perhaps?
by The Flying Gentleman on Mar 11, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
well i think ufc on versus will be a big bust because of 1 thing. directv does not have a deal in place with versus
by Lancers25 on Mar 11, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i thought i heard somewhere that finally got resolved. could be wrong. anyone know for sure?
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
Supposed to be resolved in time for the show to air.
by ufc4 on Mar 11, 2010 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ll believe it when I see it. I’m expecting to have to find alternative methods of watching.
by Mocha Shaka Khan on Mar 11, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
when i talked to directv last week about adding some programming, i was told that they have no information at this time on how the talks are going. all i know for sure is that right now, i can’t watch WEC, and it pisses me off. I made sure to let them know how I felt about it… for what that’s worth.
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I haven't seen anything about were it will air in Canada.
Versus doesn’t exist here. WEC is aired on The Score. I have seen nothing about where Jones vs Vera will air and we are only about a week away.
late to the party
I only just last night caught up with 47, but jorgensen was robbed on sub of the night. I’ve never seen a guy guillotined up in the air like that! Looked like a truly awful experience.
Still, Benevides is awesome enough that I’m not totally pissed or anything.
by some schmuck in texas on Mar 11, 2010 12:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Brock Lesnar Disagrees
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
by pitbull187 on Mar 11, 2010 12:15 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Right now, there are too many events and too many channels.
Then again, they are betting on the long term future of Versus. If the bet pays off, Zuffa will be laughing. If not, there will be a setback, but nothing to major.
The UFC is still making money hand over foot and should continue to do so. I am really looking forward to Jones vs Vera, but I don’t think it will do big numbers. Therefor, quetions will persist… well for about a week.
Most of this talk should end when 6 – 800,000 PPV buyers wake up from their slumber to buy UFC 111 and 112.
GSP, Mir, Penn and Silva are proven draws ans will both events have two title fights. 600,000 people didn’t give up on the UFC they were just waiting for the stars to come out.
the expression is "hand over fist"
and I for one think that if/when Versus becomes NBC Sports, that is when MMA will hit the mainstream. NBC-S will have something ESPN doesn’t, MMA and hockey. If hockey can capitalize on the utter success that was the Olympic gold medal game, that will put even more pressure on ESPN to come up with an alternative. ESPN will probably put Bellator on one of their main channels to fight NBC Sports.
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
Hockey will have absolutely no effect on if Versus can contend with ESPN. People care about it once every 4 years, the NHL is irrelevant.
by Mocha Shaka Khan on Mar 11, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
The NHL’s relevancy is tied directly to the fact that it has a poor TV deal in the states. If NBC pushed VS as a national sports network that could change. There was a point in time not all that long ago where professional hockey was bigger than professional basketball in the US.
And that was because of a man named Gretzky, there aren’t too many of him playing these days. And Crosby doesn’t have anything close to the cross over appeal that Gretzky had.
The post-Olympic bump has already faded, hockey is back to being forgotten. The NHL is on NBC now and nobody watches. Hockey is done as a big time sport in the USA, a push by NBC won’t change that.
by Mocha Shaka Khan on Mar 11, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not completely true
There will always be places in the US where Hockey can thrive. New York, Boston, Detroit, etc.
Where the NHL went wrong was in trying to establish a base in places Like Florida and Nashville. Not gonna work out.
by The Flying Gentleman on Mar 11, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much.
It would have been one thing to try to gradually grow the sport down south, but they decided to dive into the deep end in head first without first testing the shallows.
They don't have a great TV deal because the last time they were on network television nobody watched.
Tennis and gold actually get better ratings than hockey in the states and have for years.
As a Canadian hockey fan, I think the NHL and most others have all but given up on hockey in the southern US.
i live in fl
Tampabay is pretty into hockey. We have won the the cup so that helps I am sure. I am fan of any sport you can punch someone in the face. I played hockey in Pennsylvania as a kid too.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 11, 2010 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Attendance is way down in Tampa too.
From last year to this year it is something like 10% I beleive. I know the economy was hit really hard there though. Maybe it will imporove.
They will not be there long attendance is down over 30% and the other teams don't want to continue to pay the bills.
Actually, the team has a new owner, and attendance is up this season due to a winning team.
It’s true that the NHL is relying to heavily on non-traditional hockey markets but it isn’t entirely doom and gloom everywhere and the size of the problem is greatly overstated, much like Nate has greatly overstated Zuffa’s problems at the moment.
The new owner is the NHL. The other teams are paying for the Coyotes to exist.
Attendance is way down. http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2009
Average attendance last year was 14,875 people per game
Average attendance this year is 11420 people per game (despite a winning season)
That is decrease of 22% + and far and away the worst attendance in the league. Attendance has picked up a little, but it was a 30% decrease earlier this season.
I don't have Versus, and I don't know anybody who does
This is probably contributing to the problem. The only way I even know how to get it is to subscribe to the most expensive package on Dish Network. None of the other cable providers in my area offer the channel.
you don't know anyone with Comcast?
everyone where I live (NE Florida) has Comcast.
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
Millions of Time Warner customers have it too.
by ufc4 on Mar 11, 2010 12:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WEC ratings
They aren’t any worse the Strikeforce on Showtime.
how many homes have showtime and how many homes have VS? If anybody knows, I would be very interested to hear that
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by keyboardwarrior on Mar 11, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
It happens everyone needs to calm down
The numbers they were throwing up for a little bit there were unconventional. They are still making hella money, still have a large majority of star fighters, still put together the best overall cards. Calm the hell down people!
"So I put 2 and 2 together and decided that your pissing me off" "Here. Its a fruit roll up. I was gonna make you a casserole for your loss but uh... I didnt"
"So its sorta like that movie the predator, except for hunting people hes takin a crap" - Carl from ATHF
by II SMASH II on Mar 11, 2010 12:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This isn't meant to be disparaging towards you, but
I love MMA fans. They somehow know that the UFC is always making money on every event and never are in trouble. However, Strikeforce is obviously hemorrhaging money on each event, is totally unprofitable, and is about to shut down operations. MMA fans know these things based on, well, nothing supportable or verifiable.
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by pdl on Mar 11, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Helen Keller could tell you what i just told you
You can continue to ignore the obvious its cool. O yea I train strikeforce as well
"So I put 2 and 2 together and decided that your pissing me off" "Here. Its a fruit roll up. I was gonna make you a casserole for your loss but uh... I didnt"
"So its sorta like that movie the predator, except for hunting people hes takin a crap" - Carl from ATHF
by II SMASH II on Mar 11, 2010 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Technically, she was deaf dumb and blind.
But she sure played a mean pinball.
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by pdl on Mar 11, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This morning's headline: Zuffa in trouble. This afternoon's headline: Zuffa dominates everyone including your mother.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
to be fair my momma is kinda a whore
I’m not impressed.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 11, 2010 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rayce to Zuffa:
I’m not impressed by your performance.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
by pud333 on Mar 11, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 11, 2010 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think Zuffa is in much trouble. They just had some bad luck, and couldn’t put a big draw on top of several PPVs. But with 111 (GSP, MIR), 112 (Anderson, BJ), 113 (Controversial rematch, Kimbo), 114 (Rampage/Rashad), and then Lesnar coming back at some point, Zuffa is going to do some big numbers over the next few months.
I personally think Zuffa should bring WEC over to UFC right now and use the UFC name brand to sell a great product. The WEC PPV is probably not going to do too well, even though it is a great card.
If the NBC Comcast merger goes through and NBC decides to make MMA a major part of their package I would imagine the execs would want the UFC brand. The true pressure to rename the WEC will come from NBC, not Zuffa.
by Reciprocity on Mar 11, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
What's great is this
If the WEC ppv succeeds then Zuffa has another revenue source. If it fails then you fold the WEC into the UFC and now have 2 more divisions with champs to headline PPVs. I don’t really see any issue. Versus show if it does a decent rating means you have another stream. Maybe I’m just looking at this with positivity.
You have 111 (GSP/Mir), 112 (BJ/Anderson), 113 (Machida/Rua and Kimbo/Mitrione), 114 (Rampage/Rashad). And if you fold in the WEC you then have champs with Faber/Aldo winner, both of whom can speak for themselves with their fast paced style and Cruz, in my opinion is super marketable cause he’s a good looking dude who is very well spoken. Could be Huerta 2.0. Then you bring in Bendo/Varner/Cerrone and have new blood in 155. Do a champ vs champ fight with Bendo/Cerrone winner vs. BJ/Frank winner.
As has been stated, their PPV numbers are higher when a belt is on the line. OH SHIT 2 more belts!
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All sounds good, but I don’t think it’s as simple as folding one into the other. Contracts exist and as mentioned in the OP it would seem that that contract prohibits turning the WEC into a feeder league.
Also you can’t sell the Bendo/Cerrone winner vs Penn, or if hell freezes over Frankie, as a legitimate title fight. None of the other WEC champs got an immediate shot when their division was folded into their larger UFC cousin.
It sounds like they can’t keep the WEC as a feeder. But what if you just say fuck you wec and bring in the little dudes? And if they are selling us Frankie/BJ then I don’t see how you can’t sell Bendo who is undefeated and looking ridiculous with grapplings or Cerone who is a fucking terminator. I’d actually like to see BJ fight both of them because I think they are interesting fights.
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by thisredengine on Mar 11, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
When there’s millions of dollars, TV deals and fighter contracts, you can’t just say fuck you WEC.
Also, Henderson and Cerrone, both talented and entertaining fighters they are, have built their records on the backs of B-level talent. Let’s see how they’d stack up against the Frankie Edgars, Gray Maynards, George Soitoropolouses of the world before we call them challengers to the crown of number 1 LW. If you think Frankie Edgar is a comparable fighter to Cerrone and Henderson given all their respective accomplishment, than you’re seriously undervaluing Frankie.
You can’t just shut the doors because it’s no longer a money making option? Fold it into the UFC and showcase the smaller talent on UFC cards headlined by strong PPV draws. I really think that this PPV is the last ditch effort and if it doesn’t do around 75k-100k, you’ll see what I’m saying very soon. No insider info, just common sense.
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by thisredengine on Mar 11, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
I agree,
Versus will give the ufc another channel to show more ufc fight nights, With the ufc expanding into so many new cities it makes it much more diffucult to return. With more fight nights they will be able to satisfy more people. Side note, I bellive the wec wants to add a 125 div. That would also be another belt to add to the ppvs.
i'm surprised
that most arguments circumvent one obvious reason that the live events have been steadily declining in viewership over the last few years- digital recording. the young male demographic (like myself) would much rather booze and chase tail on saturday, and watch the WEC recorded on sunday so i can fast forward through commericals and non entertaining bouts. I think a huge percentage of viewing goes to people who want to watch but not necessarily make a weekend night of it, and would rather watch on delay.
Chicken Little is back!!!
Can we get through just one bleeping card that doesn’t do UFC 100-type numbers without declaring the end of the world? Just once?
I’m sorry, but posts like these are the blogosphere at its worst. Whenever we have one single week without a major card we either have to a. pick through all the videos on the ’net to find a “controversial” comment to blow out of proportion or 2. Flog subpar ratings and declare it the end of the Zuffa dynasty. God, it gets tiresome.
But yes, if this, the 83,410th time the siren has been sounded about “Zuffa in trouble,” actually turns out to be the end of MMA as we know it, then you’ll all be proven right.
i’m sorry to say, this is a bit on the sensationalist side and is certainly meant to draw in readers and encourage debate. I often can’t tell if Nate writes articles so we can all debate about them, or because he actually believes in what hes writing. And that isnt a knock on you Nate, I think that speaks more to the forum you’re writing in and the purpose you’re trying to achieve- views and hits. If we had to pay for this website, most people wouldn’t stand for open ended arguments that are cut and pastes of other peoples work. On the new interwebz, it works.
Personally...
I think he likes to rock the boat to generate hits.
But i still like the guy. His Judo Chops are probably the MMA related stuff i love reading and look forward to the most.
by The Flying Gentleman on Mar 11, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it is what it is
If I were peddling hand-bound vellum manuscripts with gold ink and full color illustrations to an audience of medieval priests I’d probably take a different approach.
BE is an aggregation site. We sift through the mountains of MMA coverage online and try to bring our readers the best and most relevant stuff.
Then we add some discussion and context.
I don’t invest a lot of emotion in my points. This is fucking sports after all, it’s here to entertain us.
But I also think there is a huge amount of spin and bullshit online coming from Zuffa and their friendly media outlets so I try to raise some contrary points.
If I were subtle rather than sensationalistic, no one would talk about the posts.
The discussions generally come to a good conclusion, although a few months back I was roundly booed for saying that the UFC was losing momentum.
But guess what, I was 100% fucking correct about that and the facts have bourne it out.
Listen and learn boychics.
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That's a good point
People don’t really realize how much their perception of the MMA landscape is caused by Zuffa hegemony. As fans we are fed it and we eat it without really thinking about it. PDL brought it up a little higher in the conversation. All fight fans are convinced Strikeforce is broke and that Zuffa has Hawaiian punch water fountains. We believe all this without knowing a thing about their books. And then when somebody writes an article questioning Zuffa its somehow offensive.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
You said they were losing momentum in the middle of that massive rash of injuries.
Which, no offense, isn’t exactly like something you should be proud of pointing out. It`s like 1 + 1 = 2. The product diminishes (due to injuries) and so do the returns. Simple stuff.
Now perhaps i`m mistaken, but as i remember it, the argument was basically over how you didn’t take those injuries and bad luck into your calculations. That you implied that the downturn would have happened regardless.
So imo, your doing a lot of spinning and slanting right now yourself.
by The Flying Gentleman on Mar 11, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
no
the argument was people saying that the injury-weakened cards were still drawing numbers within the range that had been established in the previous year. That the lowest rated of the weakened cards wouldn’t go below the “floor” for UFC events. But then UFC 108 fell through that floor.
They have hurt the upside as well by selling watered down product. With the fights they’re putting on UFC 111 and UFC 112, they could have a 2 million selling ppv instead they’ll have two, one that does 650 and one that will be lucky to do 400.
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Okay.
Even in that case i think your just pointing out the obvious. Of course the injury riddled cards are going to struggle. But the only thing that speaks to is that… Injury riddled cards don`t sell well. Nothing more. And i don`t know why you have to extrapolate that into this whole The UFC is doomed! theme. I see no legitimate reason.
And i certainly see no avenue provided by this loss in momentum that allows you to credibly predict the kind of business healthy, stacked cards will do.
I think what you`re doing is tantamount to saying that the New York Knicks are finished as sports franchise because they’ve been struggling. But much like the Knicks, The UFC, and by extension MMA, isn`t going anywhere because of a temporary , completely reversible loss of momentum. In the eyes of history this will all just be a tiny little blip on the radar.
by The Flying Gentleman on Mar 11, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully you're right
but the thing you’re missing is this — when they were hit by the rash of injuries, the UFC didn’t have to press ahead with every card they had planned.
They could have cancelled a couple of cards and maintained higher average buy rates.
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I think canceling a card and losing face would do more to hurt then less meaningful cards that still delivered action. There are somethings they could have done differently, but I don’t think canceling cards is one of them
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Cancelling a show may have been an option.
When the bad run of injuries occured, many of the early 2010 events didn’t have dates or locations attached to them. They were expected, but bothing confirmed. Cancelling and event 3 months in advance wouldn’t have hurt than much and rearranging the fights so the cards were deeper would have been nice.
A couple things Nate:
First I appreciate your candor in regards to your motivations or lack thereof. While I don’t agree at all with the tenor and tone of this piece, I also think it’s a sentiment shared by many.
That said, I do think this is blatantly sensationalistic and misleading in terms of title, opinions and context. I think you’re playing on MMA fans seeking controversy and drama. I think your overcompensating and selling that same “spin and bullshit” as you put it, in the opposite direction.
I think this is a post that is a prime example of fear mongering and fatalism. While there is a valid argument to be had about your core points, you frame them in such away that it makes it difficult to view them as anything but deliberately opposing for the sake of being opposing.
people don't read boring blogs
sorry.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 11, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like a miserable excuse for misleading commentary.
by Worldisart on Mar 11, 2010 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This should be green.
Read between the line guys. UFC sign X prospect doesn’t bring shit for hits. Zuffa is doomed does. Same with Strikeforce or M1, the bad brings in the eyeballs.
I feel like the UFC makes more money with the other things at this point then with ppv buys
the buys really just pay for the fighters salaries all the merchandise, video games, live gates, and other money makers they have are bringing in way more cash then the ppv buys
"fading star Urijah Faber"?
Sheesh. A guy loses a couple of fights including one where he breaks both hands and still nearly wins and suddenly he’s a fading star. WTF have you done for me lately?
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I think this leaves out an important piece. Even though they charge the same for UFC 110 and UFC 111, I think they have very different expectations. I think they right direction is creating a new pricing structure, but thats a big leap and I don’t think they will make it. As for WEC? Directv has something to do with it, but its also the talent drain of the upcoming PPV. The stars are on that card, so they can’t be on this card.
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I think it’s fair to say that 1.) The UFC has lost it’s momentum and that B.) The UFC is in a slump. And it’ll take a couple of consecutive mega-cards to either snap the downturn or to prove that they are in trouble. If after 116 the UFC isn’t getting 500K buys, then and only then will the headline be anything more than claptrap designed to draw a reaction (and it draw a reaction, so well played).
As for the WEC, that’s a whole different issue. They almost seem destined to fail and be folded in.
by argyle on Mar 11, 2010 12:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I feel like they’re failing because they chose the wrong cutoff for weight classes to keep. WW is so stacked that i think the WEC should’ve kept theirs. 3 weight classes is just too few- that means only three belts to be fought for
by amadeus on Mar 11, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is a very good point
…and one I hadn’t thought of before. Having only 3 weight classes now, and only being able to count on Faber (and maaaaaaaaybe Cerrone) for ratings, and taking Faber off of Versus for PPV, they will sometimes go several months without a headliner that can attract ratings. Strong point there.
To say that Zuffa is ‘in trouble’ is a pretty hardcore overstatement here.
It’s no shock that the WEC depends pretty hard on Faber. There is also the fact that they have to headline shows with guys people aren’t that familiar with. The limited number of shows means that suddenly you get a Brian Bowles / Dominick Cruz fight headlining and it’s a real “who?” moment for casual fans.
As for the UFC. I think it’s fair to say that there is a loss of momentum. However, much as the momentum going upward could come down, the downward will go up. Why? Because UFC 108-110 were not huge drawing shows. These:
* UFC 111 – Georges St Pierre vs. Dan Hardy & Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
* UFC 112 – Anderson Silva vs. Demian Maia & Frankie Edgar vs. BJ Penn
* UFC 113 – Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio Rua & Kimbo Slice vs. Matt Mitrione
* UFC 114 – Rashad Evans vs. Rampage Jackson
* UFC 115 – Chuck Liddell vs. Tito Ortiz
Are big drawing shows. 114 will do slightly less than a lot of people are thinking. But it’s still going to draw.
If the UFC has more than 2 of those shows do less than 450k I’ll be concerned.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 11, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
The past few months, zuffa has been a sleeping giant. They do have a murders row of shows coming up. Very strong pimp hand
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yeah probably so
Just like if GSP wins we’ll see a “GSP wins” article.
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I am not really in the
mood for a GSP wins article, can you make it a Hardy loses article?
by Riney on Mar 11, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
With various movies coming on as either in-ring or pre-fight sponsors during PPVs as of late, do you think A-Team & UFC would do a deal since the movie is being released just 2 weeks after 114? I know the UFC was pissed since they took ‘Page to film, but it’s a big movie with big stars.
by LikeTheWhiskey on Mar 11, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
My estimates
UFC 111 does 800,000 buys
UFC 112 does 650,000 buys (taking a hit from tape delay)
UFC 113 does 750,000 buys
UFC 114 does 400-450,000 buys (it is not a title match and many fans will be cash strapped after a string of ppvs)
UFC 115 does 400-450,000 buys (same as above, plus a non-title match following another non-title event have done poorly historically )
UFC 116 with Brock does 1,000,000 +
These are very realistic numbers. I the loss of momentum argument holds water, but its not a loss of speed. They had a huge bump at 100 and got a lot of new eyes, but with bad luck with major stars, were unable to really hold peoples attention. I mean two of the biggest stars and title holder haven’t fought since 100. They are proven draws and hold titles. They were out and its no shock that numbers declined. I think your 114 number might be low. People I know that are fair weather fans talk Rampage all the time. I think he is a big star. And they hate Rashad for some reason, so I think they will watch. As for 115? could be anything. I might not even buy that main event if it weren’t for the undercard.
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Another factor here will be the start of TUF 12 on March 31
I beleive TUF gets better veiwership than the reairs that play the rest of the year. The people that are watching Spike will be force fed ADs for the upcoming events.
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Do you have any breakdown of buy during TUF seasons relative to the rest of the year?
My guesstimates-
111: 700,000
112: 500,000
113: 475,000
114: 750,000
115: 525,000
116 (if Brock fights): 1 million
by ufc4 on Mar 11, 2010 1:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you think
112 will do big numbers? I’m not sure because of the tape delay factor. The rest are going to be pretty big draws.
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A card with Penn and Machida will draw
huge numbers.
LOL meant Anderson.
I am dreaming of Machidas rematch.
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by TLow on Mar 11, 2010 1:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Trends since UFC 100
In 2009 the UFC averaged 611,000 buys per ppv event. Their median was 500,000 buys. Held 13 events. Lets look at the percentage of change per event from the average buy and see if we notice any trends.
UFC 100 1,600,000 + 262% over the avg
UFC 101 850,000 + 31% over avg
UFC 102 435,000 – 30% under avg
UFC 103 375,000 -39% under avg
UFC 104 500,000 -18% under avg
UFC 106 375,000 -39% under avg
UFC 107 620,000 + 1% over avg
UFC 108 300,000 -49% under avg
UFC 109 275,000 -55% under avg
UFC 110 240,000 -61% under avg
If you look at that it’s pretty obvious the UFC is losing momentum. Since UFC 100 only 2 events did better than average while 7 did below. But there is something I think many people are missing and that is that since UFC 100 only three cards had title defense (101, 104, 107) which is also happen to be the three cards with the highest buys since 100. Lets look at the averages for title versus non-title main events for 2009:
Average with title on line 815,000 (including UFC 100)
Average with non-title main event 375,000
Even comparing the numbers exclusively by title and non-title affairs the recent cards are underperforming. But part of that may be because a percentage of fans are being choosing not to purchase non-title events. Those making this choice seem to be cumulative.
these percentages aren’t true statistics, because the 100 card did far and above what everything else did and is definately an outlier. 100 did so well because of what it was, and we cannot compare other cards to it. its a stupid argument to do so.
Then throw out the highest and lowest card of 2009 to remove any outliers and that makes th average 550,000 buys. How many events since 100 have been above this average? 2. How many below? 7. What is the average buys since 100? 441,000. Even more dramatic, what has been the average for 102-110? 390,000. Both are below 2006 and 2007 averages. Since 100 even the median number is lower than it has been since 2006.
Lesson to be learned? Put on more title fights.
get it over with
and allow direct TV customers to view the cards
by nostraboris on Mar 11, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Also...
I will point this out in regards to my own statements.
The NBC-Comcast deal, while great for the WEC on paper, likely isn’t going to give the WEC anything in the short-term. Ebersol and company don’t seem very keen to the idea of fighting on network or cable TV, although I’m somewhat hoping the whole Olympics flop and the horrendous coverage of it will get Zucker and Ebersol fired.
Unfortunately, that probably won’t happen.
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Well
The one thing we know for sure is this: The UFC doesn’t seem to be recession proof anymore. People are going to pick and choose when to buy their PPV’s. I myself am having to do this now. For the first time in years I won’t be buying every single PPV no matter what. So does this mean they are in trouble? I don’t think so but it means they are going to have to adapt to the climate. What can they do? Well, they can’t absorb the WEC to create more stars and belts, hence more championship fights. The WEC has almost all of the top lighter weight fighters so they can’t really make their own lighter weight classes. Plus they wouldn’t want to compete against their own promotion. They need something exciting. A big draw for PPV’s and even free tv. I still think the best option is a grand prix style tourney for each weight class. It gives relevance to each fight, which everybody is clamoring for these days. It’s a tourney and everybody loves a tourney. It can build stars and it’s easily promotable. And for me, you don’t have to have mega stars in a tourney to make it appealing. That could just be me though. It has it’s flaws but I think it would work.
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Case in point
I have watched only a couple of college basketball games all year. Both times they were my favorite team. I just realized that I’m watching the big east tourney. All teams that I could care less about and would never watch if it wasn’t a tourney.
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I for the life of me can’t understand why some people are trumpeting these ratings as a disaster. Did they miss the ratings for Cerrone vs. Ratcliff they were lower, this show did better than that one and with the Direct TV stuff being ironed out the ratings will go back to normal levels. The WEC is doing fine ratings wise and had a really good show leading up to their ppv they aren’t going anywhere zuffa is in this for the longhaul.
Now The typical overeaction from the mma blogs though is beyond tired and seems to only be done for shock and to stir up buzz and views. It’s been proven to be a joke the sky is falling Zuffa is dead, then when real actual facts are presented we see just how full of it these headlines are this time it’s no different.
My 2 cents: I can’t freakin’ afford to shell out $50 every two weeks for UFC/WEC ppv. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Sometimes, even $50 a month is a stretch. I’d love to watch all the fights but it just ain’t gonna happen. IF the UFC is in a slump, part of the reason may very well be that there have been just too damn many ppv’s lately. A lot of people can’t afford them all. They need to back off some.
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Danilo Lavieri of Abril.com interviews Terence Paiva, RedeTV! sports director (translation by Chris Nelson):
While (RedeTV!) has been increasing the exposure of MMA, have you looked into broadcasting national events?
In truth, we can't. The agreement with the UFC doesn't allow us to show other fighting championships. But the way around this is to create something here, something like a selective (feeder) for the UFC. That we could broadcast.
Hence the idea of bringing The Ultimate Fighter to Brazil?
When we did the deal with the UFC, they wanted us to broadcast TUF. But our experience with The Contender showed that it doesn't do much. People watch, but it doesn't have the necessary impact. Brazilians want to see Brazilians in action. Brazilians don't like things captioned. So we want to bring TUF here, yes, with Brazilian fighters. But they're different ideas. One does not preclude the other.
Canal Combate's contract with the UFC ends in 2011. Do you really want to get this contract for yourselves?
Not quite. This makes it sound like RedeTV! is the enemy of others. It isn't. We want to broadcast something, something that goes beyond our current deal [21 days after the event takes place]...
And RedeTV! will be partnering with the UFC to bring fights to Brazil?
Also not so. People exaggerate, saying RedeTV! will bring (the UFC to Brazil) and things like this. We're a partner of the UFC and we're going to give them full support so they come here. In fact, they'll be here in 2011. That's for sure. There are some details missing, like where it will take place and whatnot. Now they view us as a market.](http://cdn0.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/133278/redetv_small.jpg)












