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Massachusetts State Athletic Commission Approves Double Weigh-In Provision

Boxing_headmap_mediumIn an interesting move that is much different than that of the weigh-in policies across the country, the Massachusetts State Athletic Commission has approved an initiative to hold double weigh-ins:

The Massachusetts "double weigh-in" provision calls for a fighter to be weighed in no more than 36 hours before his fight and again on the night of the fight. The fighter cannot weigh more than 1.0625 times his initial weight on the second weigh-in.

The formula means the higher the weight, the higher the allowable weight gain. For example, a fighter contracted to fight at 135 pounds can’t come in higher than 143.4375 pounds on fight night, 170 pounders cannot exceed 180.625, 205 pounders cannot exceed 217.8125 pounds, etc.

The provision was voted upon during an emergency vote as the commission's power to regulate combat sports in the state came into power on March 1st. Since the state had no regulations regarding mixed martial arts on the books, the vote was passed in an emergency session and will only be in place for ninety days. Within the period however, it's likely the state athletic commission will formulate a more permanent set of regulations.

While Marc Ratner, the UFC’s vice president of regulatory affairs, stated that it likely won't deter the UFC from visiting cities like Boston, he also noted that North Carolina has a similar rule in which fighters can't weight more than 13 pounds over their weight limit at fight time. The promotion will head to North Carolina for UFC Fight Night 21 at the end of March.

Many fighters within the promotion won't be affected, especially those within the confines of the WEC -- but fighters such as Thiago Alves, Georges St. Pierre, and a few other welterweights and heavyweights could be affected. At 170 pounds, a fighter is only allowed to gain around 10 pounds between the two weigh-ins. It's been rumored in the past that St. Pierre beefs back up to 185 after weigh-ins, and that type of gain would have to be stopped.

Brock Lesnar and any other large heavyweight cutting down to 265 will also have some problems as the maximum weight allowed is 281 pounds. Reports have indicated that Lesnar has ballooned to 290 pounds, and Shane Carwin has even been quoted as stating he'd balloon to 290 pounds as well.

There are plenty of other fighters that fall into the same category, but will this actually be a problem for some of these fighters? It could, but it's more than likely not going to be an issue. Most of these fighters could simply gain the weight back, and only cut around 4-5 pounds in the sauna before the second weigh-in. Whether or not that would actually hinder their performance in the cage is another question.

The UFC could simply avoid stacking those cards with fighters they have knowledge will have problems with that sort of regulation, so it shouldn't be a real problem for that promotion. It'll be interesting to see if some of the bigger name fighters are left off those cards, and whether the commission will end up nixing the provision in order to gain those bigger names and revenues.

Update by Brent Brookhouse: I have a piece on this up on SB Nation.  In it I take a look at the very real, very scary potential health problems that are created by this double weigh-in.

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Maybe I'm playing the Devil's Advocate here...

but i think this is a great idea. Some fighters outweigh their opponents on fight night by so much that its ridiculous… *cough*BROCKLESNAR*cough*

The rest... is virtually identical

by randy maverick on Mar 11, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

So you’re problem is with Brock Lesnar who is a heavyweight who cuts from 285 vs. someone like Glieson Tibau who is a LW who cuts from 195?

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 11, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Further evidence that BJ Penn is a better P4P fighter...

Than GSP!!!

I am not a BJ nuthugger, but BJ is a much stronger fighter at his respective/natural weight than GSP is…

If GSP is a natural 170lber…
BJ is a natual 135 or 125 lber!!!

Bj fared better against GSP than GSP would fare against Anderson Silva…
BJ is #1 by far….on the so called P4 P list

by Jadrig on Mar 11, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I just threw up a little bit in my mouth...

does this topic REALLY need to be brought up again?

by Razreshat on Mar 11, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s a good idea in some cases, but my main concern is that some of these guys will be cutting twice and become lethargic much quicker in the cage. That’s somewhat a safety concern in my mind.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

No one’s making them do that though. They’re choosing to cut that much weight to gain a supposed advantage. Depending on how this initiative plays out, it could force certain fighters to either risk being lethargic in the fight, or to fight in their natural weight class.

by Hardcase on Mar 11, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that’s true.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be great, I hate weight cutting, I want to see who has better fighting skills not cutting skills.

by Kefka on Mar 11, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that this rule makes bouts more competitive. If a fighter wants to try to retain massive weight advantages, he or she is going to have to do so at great risk to his or her health.

Fighter safety is important, but I don’t think ACs can be expected to stop fighters from absolutely stupid, life-endangering behavior with regards to their training and weight cutting. Hell, a fighter might think snake venom gives them a competitive edge or that getting the flu before a fight will make weight loss easier, but you can’t expect ACs to make provisions for every potentially boneheaded move a fighter might make.

Smart fighters who value their health will adjust to this rule as it’s intended. Let the stupid fighters risk their health with double cuts.

by juggmaster on Mar 11, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

thank you

It’ll be nice to watch some fair fights!!!!!!

There are going to be some guys in big trouble, since they don’t get to far outweigh their opponent. *cough*lesnar*cough*

This is needed very badly, and I can only hope that every state goes to this.

by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 11, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I realize that Lesnar isn’t the only one who cuts a lot of weight to make weight for fights, i was just using him as an example. Plus, nobody cares about Tibau anyway.

The rest... is virtually identical

by randy maverick on Mar 11, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I see alot fewer major events being held in Mas...

Promoters will hate the idea of a fighter getting disqualified because he put on too much weight after the initial weigh in, I would suspect.

by Razreshat on Mar 11, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

HEALTH PROBLEMS!

As I put in the update. Check out the SBNation.com/mma article on this that I wrote earlier this morning.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 11, 2010 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, health problems would be a problem… and having lethargic fighters along with a higher risk of head trauma is a very real outcome to this policy. The only problem I see is that some promoters will say that they’ve had people barely make weight and then fight without any problems, which is somewhat true in some cases. In my experience, fighters who barely made weight seemed more likely to be hurt by punches, which supports the theory that the brain has more room to move and concuss.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s like people think they moved the weigh ins to the day before for shits and giggles.

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

If they want to do double weigh-ins this is the complete wrong way to do it. They should be weighing a fighter 4-7 days out from the fight and then again at the regular weigh in.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 11, 2010 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

I think that would be a lot better if their concern is safety.

It seems more practical to ensure that people cut properly instead of trying to prevent ballooning up after the original weigh in, because that will prevent proper hydration at the fight, which is more dangerous than fighting a bigger person and cutting too quickly.

The missing question is, “when is the second weigh in?” The promoter should get this second weigh in done as early as possible, fighters can do the first weigh in, put on 10 pounds, wait for the second weigh in, then hydrate properly.

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The second weigh-in is on the day of the fights.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

yea, but a day is 24 hours long.

Can they weigh in at 12:01 AM? On the way to the cage? 20 minutes before their fight? 20 minutes before the show starts?

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I’m going to assume they aren’t assholes… but I guess that wouldn’t be prudent here since most ACs practice ignorance.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

but that’s the whole thing. If it’s very close to the fight, it can lead to dehydration and be bad, if it’s too early, people are still going to rehydrate/gain weight after this weigh in, and it’s kind of pointless. All it will do is keep the people who want to put on more weight dehydrated for a few more hours.

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Right.

Hence why I think it’s going to be fairly close to fight time.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

It will only lead to dehydration if the fighters try to gain an edge in size. At least now there would be a more even playing field between those who are not good cutters(or choose not to for health reasons) and those that are, as they will pay a price for there size advantage.

by Kefka on Mar 11, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not very safe under the current rules to be a natural 185’er and then fight someone who cuts weight like a wrestler and shows up at the fight at 200+ pounds.

If re-hydration becomes an issue it just goes to show their cut is significant and probably should be illegal anyways.

I hope one day there is not such a large difference between the weight class and the fighter’s weight come fight night in the future, it is getting to be ridiculous and no good can come from it.

by DirtyML on Mar 11, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You’re right, fighting someone who weighs 10 pounds more than you is much more dangerous than the dangers of fighting dehydrated.

That’s why Brock Lesnar, Bob Sapp, and Hong Man Choi are undefeated against smaller opponents.

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Funny how all of your examples relied on the only weight class with more than a 15 pound differential.

Go onnnnnnn

by DirtyML on Mar 11, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, Thiago Alves, Forrest, GSP, Anthony Johnson, tibau…

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah dude.

Yoshida sure showed Rumble that technique will always trump size.

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by pdl on Mar 11, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

do you live in a planet where the koscheck fight didn’t happen?

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Sapp and Choi both lost to Minowaman. So much for that argument!

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by Brian Mayes on Mar 11, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

furthermore

How many guys who aren’t wrestling-based will complain about this?

Uh huh, that’s right – I said it.

by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 11, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

how many guys that aren’t bjj based complain about standups?

uh, huh, that’s right — i said something equally useless.

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing.

What does wrestling based people complaining have to do with anything nothing.

people like to pick on wrestlers for being able to weight cut, but no one cares that machida started karate when he was born and what not.

It’s a skill get over it.

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

who's picking on wrestlers?

wrestlers that have to cut will be the ones affected by this, duh

now that all the rules are so in the wrestler’s favor, it’s nice to see the playing field equalled a little, that’s all

no one’s questioning your manhood phildo, no need to get all up in arms

wrestler’s will be the one’s complaining about this (and their nuthuggers), because they won’t be able to lay and pray while outweighing their opponent by ridiculous margins (Maynard, Tibau, Sherk, Guida, Brock, Shields@170) — that’s what it has do with, genius

no one’s hating on wrestler’s, just will be glad to see more fair fights (I keep saying that)…I can’t wait to see what Lesnar does against someone his own size, I’m not interested in seeing him beat on and then lay on people 50-70 pounds less than him

by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 11, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i didn’t say anyone was hating on wrestlers, i said that you said something stupid.

This isn’t about wrestlers, it’s about safety.

by Phildo on Mar 12, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

This won’t effect any big name fighters until all the states use this type of weigh in. GSP and Lesnar will just choose not to fight in Massachusetts. I for one like the rule.

by Mirjitsu on Mar 11, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

If Lesnar is 285 on a fight night this will not effect him much at all. That is only 4 pounds over his max allowed.

It will affect people like GSP though, who is mostly lean muscle mass.

by Din71 on Mar 11, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

Horrible idea. We just won’t see hardly any top fighters on Mass cards if this rule is in place, since most of them are bigger than these weight limits on fight day.

by Hardcharger on Mar 11, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

I personally like something close to this idea, but I’m not sure this is the right way to do it.

What I think is unfortunate is that there isn’t a global standard for this kind of thing. It means guys are essentailly going to fight in different weight classes depending on what event is held where.

by TLow on Mar 11, 2010 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

I’m kinda up in the air on this. I like the idea of a double weigh in, but the margin they give is still enough to not really be all that preventative health wise to a fighter who cuts weight. It only edges out a few fighters who can just not fight there.

As for the article on the double weight cut; I’m not so sure that an argument about a fighter choosing to cut weight twice instead of just fighting closer to their appropriate natural weight is all that great. That’s more the fighters fault than the rule.

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by JeremyShane on Mar 11, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

It’s one of those things that needs to be taken into account though.

It is the fighter’s fault, but they’re going to do it anyway (just like they have done forever). If the outcome of a rule has two outcomes (people fighting closer to their natural weight, or significant brain injury) you need to take both of them into account, and weigh the pros and cons.

it would be nice to think that people would just fight closer to their natural weight, but people won’t do that.

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

yea, my only thought was that it being in one state like this; it really wont’ effect any change and would encourage a fighter to cut twice. But as a rule itself and if adopted more widespread, I think it might encourage people to fight closer to their natural weight or at least not cut drastic the way a handful of guys do.

Because in the long run, cutting twice and being dehydrated at fight time is not very smart for your long term success. You can get away with it maybe for some fight you schedule in this state, but if it were everywhere, all the time; then I don’t see fighters doing it much at all.

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by JeremyShane on Mar 11, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Some fighters may cut twice though because the second cut could simply be 4-5 pounds, not exactly a hard cut at all.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 11, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I highly recommend the link to Brent's post

I was initially skeptical, but he makes a compelling case about dehydrated brains being more susceptible to concussion/bruising because there is more room between the grey matter and the skull for it to jostle in. Physics FTW.

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by thetakeover on Mar 11, 2010 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Much of that is the reason why they moved weigh-ins to the day before rather than the day of.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 11, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s the whole point. Adjust the weigh-in’s and weight differentials so fighters need to fight closer to their natural weight class.

If they don’t cut so much weight, there isn’t a danger of being dehydrated.

by WestbergIDFC on Mar 11, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

and by that i mean… they just ignore the traditional weightclasses, and have the fighters agree to fight at a weight closer to what they weigh on fight night. and why not? they can schedule fights at 195, or even 215 (for kimbo). what’s the difference?

by woooburn on Mar 11, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

The difference is, anywhere else it isn’t a consistent phenomenon, whereas if it becomes the norm in a state like Mass. then are we going to see a push for more weight classes? Are we going to see a watering down of the talent pool as a result?

by Worldisart on Mar 11, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

one thing is for sure, Mass wont be helding a UFC event for a long time

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by vivero on Mar 11, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

that was a stupid thing to conclude. .. pls disregard.

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by vivero on Mar 11, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Whatnr they trying to accomplish?

Because the only thing they r going to accomplish is having fighters coming into fights dehydrated, tired, and someone is going to get hurt badly.

I’m sure many fighters will refuse to fight there. You can’t legislate weight cutting. Guys r going to do it no matter what. Every solution to curb weight cutting just puts fighters in jeopardy.

The ability to cut weight is a skill and talent just as much as good carido or punching power. The fact that guys like Alves can get down that low and still fight the next day is a testement to their body type and dicipline to make the weight. For commissions to take away that advantage is wrong.

by JimJoe on Mar 11, 2010 10:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

What's the point in having weight classes if the fighters aren't the same weight?

Not trying to start shit with you, just tired of watching guys get beat ONLY because they are giving up so much weight to someone IN THEIR WEIGHTCLASS.

I’m all for fair fights.

by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 11, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It's "fair" when under the rules they weigh the same approx. 24 hours before the fight.

Why let a guy that can punch really really hard fight a guy that can’t punch that hard? That’s not fair is it? It’s fine because punching hard has a lot to do with skill, training, and most importantly god given talent. Just like cutting weight.

Some people have the ability to come into a fight a bit heavier than their opponent because they can dehydrate themselves a bit harder than others. It is a REAL SKILL and talent.

There are so few guys that cut extreme amounts of weight this shouldn’t be an issue. Why should a fighter have to watch his diet, water intake and go into a fight hungry because he may be a pound or 2 over. Every fighter should have the ability to clear their head of anything but preparing to fight, and doing what they have trained for and not worrying about what they can and cannot eat and drink.

by JimJoe on Mar 11, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

well, I can't say I disagree with any of that

Like I said, I just want to see fair fights. If a guy outweighs his opponent by ten or more pounds, that is not fair.

If that is allowed, why have weight classes, is all I’m saying.

But, more important than anything is safety, and whatever makes it safest for everyone is what I want.

by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 11, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It would affect almost all fighters. Virtually every fighter cuts 10+ pounds. GSP, at 185, is an average sized WW.

Also, unless they are weighing them right before the fight, guys will still rehydrate after the second weigh-in.

Tito has talked about putting on 5-8 pounds after same-day weigh-ins.

by Lynchman on Mar 11, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

All the arguments against this are based on fighters being too stupid to put their health first.

by Oneman on Mar 11, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

We also assume that fighters are smart enough not to fight when injured or sick, but that happens all the time. Jorge Gurgel fought on TUF with blown out ACL, Forrest Griffin fought Tito on a broken foot, Diego Sanchez fought Koscheck with a nasty staph infection, etc.

Fighters are willing to take absolutely insane risks to gain an edge. It is one of the universal truths of all pro sports.

by Steve4192 on Mar 11, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

isn’t that the point of most of the rules?

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Because fighters are too stupid to do it...

or rather…their competitive drive makes them do things that a rational mind may not.

There are tons of legitimate health problems associated with performance enhancing drugs but that doesn’t stop fighters (and other athletes) from using them.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 11, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

you got a point there

hopefully this will just be the start of better overall health for all fighters

by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 11, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

So the penalty for missing weight is a forfeit?

Good luck getting promoters to come to the state with that rule.

Could you imagine buying tickets for Lesnar-Mir 3 at the Garden only to discover a few hours before the event that Lesnar had to forfeit due to missing weight? Better yet, imagine being Dana White and losing 500K PPV buys because the Massachusetts commission just declared your main event a forfeit.

by Steve4192 on Mar 11, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

If they do this everywhere

The ufc would haft to make more weight divisions. Thats the only way this would work out.

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by GOLDIGGAH on Mar 11, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

“Many fighters within the promotion won’t be affected, especially those within the confines of the WEC…”

I really disagree with this. I’m not even good at weight cutting and for my last comp I weighed in at 143.5 and was 156 before I even went to bed, let alone the next day. It has to be assumed that people who do this professionally are much better than I am.

by Simco on Mar 11, 2010 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Were you IV rehydrating or just drinking?

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 11, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I did that with no supplements (or “supplements”) and simply eating and drinking normal foods/liquids after.

by Simco on Mar 11, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like ACs coming up wiht thier own rules

Having unified rules is really important for the sport. Whenever I throw MMA on people are always asking about the rules. Can you elbow? Can you headbutt? Eye gouge? Sure the weigh in rule might not be that confusing, but what’s the logical next step? No elbows? Grappling Pants? Soccer Kicks?

We really need consistency.

by SES 84 on Mar 11, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

people say that, but in reality, the unified rules are not that unified.

NJ and Nevada have different rules about scoring incomplete rounds. Different states have different times/penalties for weigh ins/missing weight. Different states have different drug testing rules/procedures/tests/penalties/etc.

The unified rules really don’t go beyond what are considered “fouls” in the sport.

by Phildo on Mar 11, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't know that

I think saying basically Brock Lesnar can’t fight at heavyweight is a a pretty big deal. Bigger than the stuff above.

by SES 84 on Mar 11, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

in cases of moderate dehydration, it would normally take a participant a minimum of 48 to 72 hours to completely replenish their body fluid to normal levels. The problem is that most weigh-ins take place within 24 hours of the competition. So that may be a moot point.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 11, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

Anyone think that if this became a nationwide standard (and that’s a very big if), the UFC would actually add the franklinweight and kimboweight classes just to keep some fighters happy? Like AJ could never make welter anymore but could be perfect for franklinweight

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by II SMASH II on Mar 11, 2010 11:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

They’d probably have to add 160, 177, 195, 220

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 11, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry...that should have said 162

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 11, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

lol have a champ at every 10 pound interval

How’s that for more title fights

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by II SMASH II on Mar 11, 2010 11:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Seems like the beginning of a slippery slope. Adding 4 weight classes to compensate for a rule change could be devastating to the competitive balance of the sport.

by Worldisart on Mar 11, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do we need weight classes, again?

Prudent match ups and one or two titles that meander up and down in weight as smaller and larger fighters rise and fall?

by BillyJane on Mar 11, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m all for ACs making rules to protect the health of fighters, as long as they’re effective in addressing a specific problem.

I don’t see this as being effective in reducing massive weight cuts, and in fact will probably just exacerbate the problem.

by Worldisart on Mar 11, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

What's the solution?

I think about this a lot: has the skill level gotten to the point where the weight classes are too big? I don’t like the idea of smaller weight classes because it becomes too confusing and there would be a high number of shallow classes rather than a small number of deeper ones, but it seems like someone like Anthony Johnson or GSP has a huge advantage over most people in his weight class (most people, not all people) because of his size.

In the old days, it didn’t matter as much because smaller guys would often be BJJ guys and the bigger fighters didn’t have the skill base to defend subs and use their power to their advantage in every fight. Now that basically everyone has some BJJ defense, the weight classes come more into play. In other words, most people can defend/power out of submissions if they significantly outweigh their opponents, or at least it’s easier.

By this reckoning, the best fights are between people who naturally weigh the same. I think that’s what my fellow Massholes are going for, though I’m not sure how to do it best.

It seems like people like Mir are consciously putting on weight so that they fit a weight class, which may become more and more necessary. Like if I naturally weigh 178 lbs, I try to put on enough muscle to become a big welterweight. Does anyone know if this is common practice.

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by MasonA on Mar 11, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing will change the event of fighters who could easily fit into two different weight classes...

sometimes it works out for them, like GSP and AJ…sometimes it works against them, like Diego Sanchez.

by Razreshat on Mar 11, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Or I guess my question is:

Could Diego work on bulking up and really being a sizable 170? Or is he just screwed?

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by MasonA on Mar 11, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he is one of those unfortunate guys...

who will be a little small for 170, but too skinny to have power at 155.

by Razreshat on Mar 11, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess, like many things, that just kind of sucks.

Use all ten points.

by MasonA on Mar 11, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Leave it to my state to fuck things up, I really hope the UFC gets in these idiots ears and let’s them know just how stupid this is and change it before the UFC decides to put on their first show there.

by Raker on Mar 11, 2010 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

It would be an interesting discussion to try and work out who the respective champions would likely be if every UFC fighter fought at their natural weight class, or within a certain percentage.

Is Machida the only UFC champ who doesn’t cut a lot of weight? BJ as well maybe?

by brad23 on Mar 11, 2010 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

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