Georges St-Pierre says he's a changed fighter and as no interest in a third BJ Penn fight.
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I hope he goes to 185 full time and gets destroyed but hey thats just me
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
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I want to see him vs Anderson so we can shut all the Anderson doubters (or they shut us), but I want that fight bad!
Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension
That is just wrong! Lol.. 185 would def be interesting to see how he stacks up but I like him staying at 170. He seems like he’s too smart too pull a BJ. Plus Dana is not pushing for it. If Dana wanted to see GSP at 185 we would see it.
You have to really respect this guy. He breathes eats and sleeps fighting. You know every time he fights he really is a new and improved fighter. Is there a limit to this guy?
I liked his thoughts on Conditioning and how he would beat the version of himself from the fight before….
I really hope he doesn’t leave for wrestling. That would really suck…
I’m a fan of champs destroying a division. I like long title reigns. I have no problem with that what so ever. I could watch GSP GnP opponents for years and not get bored. As for 185, Dana has said Silva is too big for GSP, and I believe it. The only way to really tell is if GSP takes some fights at 185 and really does well. Then we’d have a case for a P4P matchup. I also agree with him on a fighting BJ a third time. BJ is going to have to climb the ladder like everyone else.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
I'm confused
GSP doesn’t believe in conditioning and won’t waste time on it during his training camp? What kind of conditioning is he talking about? I was under the impression that conditioning was somewhat important.
"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye
mma training = conditioning
I believe that his point is that when you train full time in wrestling, boxing, muay thai, jiu jitsu and kickboxing, you get PLENTY of cardio. especially when you don’t take post fight vacations where you don’t train and eat pizaa all day.
Conditioning
As others have also stated, I think GSP is classifying conditioning in a way differently than many think about it. Based on interviews with his S&C coach Jonathan Chaimberg, GSP is certainly getting his conditioning training in those workouts. He’s doing tons of plyometric work and other circuit training. He’s got his anaerobic conditioning on point. And Zahabi has also stated that they do technique work in striking in a high intensity, short duration way, which also is working GSP’s conditioning.
i've always wondered
How is his physique so defined if he’s spending his time on his skills so often. Genetics?
Six packs are made in the kitchen, not the gym.
But I’m sure he also won big in the genetic lottery.
Lies!
Do you guys still have little smoke rooms in bars? That was the coolest thing about my trips to Canada.
I’m really looking forward to seeing Georges test this new strength and skill on someone that he’s fought before, like maybe Fitch or Alves, because Hardy’s going to have a hard time even with the old GSP.
Of course it’s hard to know how much stock you put into these statements. Every time a fighter goes into another fight they’re “a different fighter now with vastly improved skills” but when they actually go into the fight they’re pretty much the same dude with a minor tweak to his style.
GSP has been improving steadily ever since he got Serra’d. But I agree: I’d like to see him against someone he’s fought so we can measure just how much of a badass he’s become. Maybe the winner of Fitch / Alves.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
I agree with you. The only glimpses we have into it so far are GSP’s rematches against Hughes (UFC 79), Serra (UFC 83), and Penn (UFC 94). None of those reflect the most recent iteration of GSP and his increased size and power, but those 3 fights do contrast how GSP looked before he ever trained S&C at all, and before he structured his training camps as he does how (Zahabi/-MMAJackson-MMA/Nurse-NT/Chaimberg-S&C/Grant-boxing).
I think Gsp is to small for MW. He might be walking around at 190 ish but the top MW walk around much heavier then that.
Yeah but he’d give those guys fits with his speed. And I’m inclined to believe that he’d match up reasonably well in strength. Look at Marquardt vs Sonnen, that should epitomize what GSP could potentially do in the middleweight division. He’s already able to do something akin to that to really big 170 pounders.
Alves and Fitch are equivalent to A Rich Franklin cut to MW, someone who has a lot of natural talent combined with their size advantage. Id be willing to bet Fitch would do well against a lot of MW- In comparison look how Jake Shields has been doing. GSP trains with some massive people and claims he has no problem with them, so I agree, I believe he would do well
by Austin Martin on Mar 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Lawler (top 5) Mayhem (top 15) Shields is only fighting at MW because that is where the competition is in Strikeforce. He could be fighting unranked WW's for the same pay.
Shields has said he is fighting on his old WW contract and gets no extra pay for going up a weight, “just more compelling fights” (Dan Henderson)
Shields is an average size WW, 5’11, his walk around weight was 182-184lbs for years. He weighed 192lbs at the Tapout gym in Vegas just a couple weeks ago.
More compelling fights for GSP would be Silva, unless the UFC gets Shields and then there is one more fight at WW.
by mixmaster2669 on Mar 10, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think his height would be another issue. I think many people will counter that Nate is 195 and if he can then GSP can.
At the end of the day I think the height is just too much. MW is like LHW Light . A shit ton of 6’1 6’2 guys. Georges being 5’10 is starting off with a severe disadvantage with reach and height.
Also people just assume he will roll right through 85. I think Dan Henderson would be GSP’s nightmare. GSP wrestling may be negated and Dan throwing bombs until one finally connects. Plus Dan would be walking right through his punches.
185 to me is just a complete different animal. I wouldn’t like to see that happen to him.
GSP’s reach is 77 inches if I remember correctly. That’s huge for a guy his height. Anderson Silva has 77 inch reach.
by dancingChicken on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t believe that. Is that true? AS is long and lanky as well as 6’2 I just don’t see it. Guess I’ll have to fight finder that. If it’s true that blows my mind.
Still that is huge for a WW! Rampage and Wand only have like 73 or 74 or so. That is incredible… I think Anderson’s is longer than that though. He’s listed at 77 in the game but I believe that was wrong maybe not.
Well if you have equal reach height shouldn’t matter as much should it then?
I don’t know if all those stats can be trusted, because they vary from fight to fight. Besides reach=wingspan, so maybe GSP has unnaturally long fingers?
by dancingChicken on Mar 10, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
GSP REACH
UFC 54 74" v Trigg
UFC 56 74" v Sherk
UFC 58 76" v Penn
UFC 65 78" v Hughes II
UFC 69 75" v Serra
UFC 74 74" v Kos
UFC 79 76" v Hughes III
UFC 83 76" v Serra II
GSP seems to be at a low 74" in reach at the start, somehow his arms grew to 78" and then settled back at 76"
Hughes REACH
UFC 65 76" v GSP II
UFC 79 73" v GSP III
Hughes appears to have dropped a few inches from their 2nd fight heh.
Serra REACH
UFC 69 69" v GSP 75" (6 inch difference)
UFC 83 68" v GSP II 76" (8 inch difference)
Man...that's kinda ridiculous.
I know basketball scouts get reliable numbers for “length”, why can’t we?
GSP would do well at MW against pretty much any MW opponent, except for Silva.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
GSP’s shoulders look massive in this, it looks like he’s filling out a bit. I’m really intrigued by what he says about conditioning, because i remember at one point him being reinvigorated by a new strength and conditioning program. I wonder if he’s specifically referring to running or something similar?
Yeah, but there’s a big difference between ragdolling Thiago Alves around for 25 minutes as opposed to, say, a MW the size of Yushin Okami. Not saying GSP wouldn’t be able to beat him, but I don’t think he’d be nearly as dominant fighting against guys who cut down from 210, 215
"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye
Alves cuts from 200+ supposedly and is a few inches shorter, meaning he doesn’t have the leverage but probably more muscle mass. He got handled by GSP. Plus, what noone talks about is that Alves’ big advantage was supposedly striking, yet GSP beat him standing as well.
He might not be able to handle an okami, a sonnen as thoroughly, but at least it would seem competitive, and maybe he’d even get taken down.
by Austin Martin on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think GSP can compete at 185 but he runs into big trouble against guys that can wrestle and cut from 210+. i.e a guy like Chael Sonnen would prob give GSP fits.
Though, Rashad says he hasn't taken GSP down in two years except when GSP was supposed to let him.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Yea but we would all know that this isn’t GSP at his best. I enjoy watching fighters in their weight class where they are best at. I rather see GSP best than him trying his best in a weight class not suited for him.
I think Okami, Chael , and Dan would give him major problems in the wrestling department. Alves is not a wrestler by any means.
I see what your saying but it would be nice to see him tested. Okami I believe he would out wrestle and out strike. Sonnen he would have a tough time but his bjj and striking is better. I think he could take Dan down. Dan was a great wrestler but he does get taken down and I also believe GSP could out strike him he just needs to stay away from that hellacious right. Those are all fights I would love to see which is my point I guess that there are so many interesting fights for him at 185.
by xbuckeyex05 on Mar 10, 2010 3:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea I wouldn’t think about BJ either. BJ has to beat at least two top contenders to think about going after GSP. BJ has to do this also while staying shredded. I think BJ at maximum could hold 175 ripped but that may even be too much..
This new 193 GSP though would still be too big for him. I don’t think BJ will ever catch his White Whale he is around 30 lbs away from Georges now, that is too far of a gap to have on a fighter of his caliber.
if you're scared of BJ just say it George .
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 2:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions 6 recs
Mrs. Penn
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
by vivero on Mar 10, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
lol
Lighten up dude,
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 4:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Obvious joke but do you think there may be some fear dealing with AS. I mean he is the soul snatcher guy. I don’t know if George could recover from a vicious AS beating mentally. When that man puts you in your place you just don’t come back from that.
look at Chris Leberman, hes a can now.
HI YAH!
by Thats It For you! on Mar 10, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
does my signature show up for yall when i am on my mobile?
My favorite prefight interview is leben before he fought AS
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chris Leben's cousin
he mainly fought in the under-ground israeli mma circuit, dude has some crazy krav maga. he looks like leben with a don frye mustache and the curly side-burns.
by cagefightonacid on Mar 10, 2010 3:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
lmao
Dude I couldn’t stop laughing at that post
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chris is like a rock. He can recover. A guy with GSP mentality the always go go go always improving always one step ahead scientific strong will… I don’t know maybe he would be able to bounce back stronger faster smarter but I feel like GSP really is doing everything in his power to be better than he was last time. You never no. I think GSP is a tragic beating away from a breakdown he’s such an intense guy…
I’m saying if he got a Grade A anderson Beating. Out cold humiliated looking like he didn’t belong in there type of beating.
sir those are the only ones AS hands out.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not necessarily
If GSP took the Thales Leites approach, he wouldn’t be out cold. Just humiliated.
I think 9/10 people rather get Chris Leben’d than Thales Leites’ed. Thales can never show his face around his neighborhood again.
dude Thales leites is still main eventing shows
by kanodogg on Mar 10, 2010 6:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ha Ha! Anderson may be the scariest guy out there. Obviously Brock would beat his ass but A Silva seems to me like he haunts you forever hiding in the dark inviisible target kinda of guy. Me and my friends always joke about it….
Like Forrest vs Silva I was screaming Run Forrest Run!( Before he actually did of course) I seen A silva beat his chest and put his serious face on and It was like a horror movie. No one has a better ok now Im going to punish you face than when Silva turns it up. He does it against Franklin and Forrest where I rememeber specifically. Ahhh!
dude i dont know about brock or fedor beating the spider
He has knock out potential in every strike while back pedaling. Dudes a freak. I would like to see it.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anderson knocking out Brock is a little far fetched don’t you think? And I mean all Brock has to do is get on top one time and AS is literally dead. I like selling that AS is the grim reaper angle but even I know his limits.
It sure would make a great fight. He really is special. You really never no with him . Dropping Forrest a couple times is totally different than dropping the HULK or Broly or whatever u wanna don him
mir wobbled brock, if mir can wobble him its not that crazy think anderson can drop him. randy cut brock in their fight. i would love to see it. its like a scalpel vs. a hammer
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Of course
Brock is going to fight with no guard, blocking knees with his jaw, because of course, there is no way in hell he can get dropped by a LHW.
"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."
i think it would awsome!
Plus if Anderson got in too much trouble he would just pull out his lightsaber….. you know. …… cause he’s a Jedi. Lol
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
brock has 5 fights lets not go calling him invincible yet.
Anderson can drop anybody. People the same height as him who eat horse meat included. The question is would he be able to do it or would he get smothered.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gsp vs Anderson never going to happen. I think Gsp is set on breaking Matt Hughes record at WW. After that who knows
“Georges St-Pierre says he’s a changed fighter and as no interest in a third BJ Penn fight.”
lol… ’as no interest =)
Well of course he doesn't want to fight BJ again...
…would you want to fight that guy with people checking to see if you’re greased? NOT ME.
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Yes, the UFC and the NSAC have never done pre-fight inspections of fighters before they enter the octagon, nor have they ever had 2 people present in each corner between every round to observe the trainers and the fighters.
I’m sure everyone, including GSP, should be clamoring for a 3rd fight against a guy GSP is 2-0 against and just smashed in brutal fashion a year ago. Now, if Penn moved to WW permanently and actually defeated a few top contenders, even GSP stated that would be a different story.
to be fair bj won the first fight and lost the decision.
Gsp is awesome ,but he did cheat in Their second fight . I would like to see a ripped in shape Bj fight gsp again. We have never seen that. If Bj earns another title shot I wanna see it.
I am a gsp fan too please do berate me.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 4:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
don't berate
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The BJ today is much improved and in better shape than the BJ that fought GSP the first and second time. But so has GSP. I think if they fougth again today, GSP would end BJ’s career.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
thats a bit much but
I wouldn’t put my money on Penn. I also would never count him out.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hyperbole is the best ever.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
Your post makes no sense. GSP won the first and 2nd fights. There was no cheating in the 2nd fight, and that was even reviewed and stated by the NSAC.
If Penn went to WW and beat 3 guys like Koscheck, Fitch, Alves, Thiago, Hardy, Daley, etc, then MAYBE a 3rd fight with GSP would be interesting. Even so, what if Penn won that 3rd fight? Does that mean GSP-Penn becomes an automatic best of 5? Does Penn simply retire? Lots of reasons why it would never make much sense.
I don’t even bother to debate the first BJ/GSP fight or the greasing stuff. At this point, if someone believes BJ won the first and GSP cheated in the second, there is no convincing them othewise.
And if Penn won the third match, he’d be the kind of guy that would call it quits after that. Someone said once that Penn is the kind of guy who you could kick the shit out of every day, but that one time he beats you, he’ll gloat about it and say how much better he was. Even if GSP KO’s BJ in the third fight, BJ would complain that it was to the back of the head, or GSP had little explosives in his hand, or whatever.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
The first fight shouldn’t even be in debate. If you want to give BJ the first round, by all means go ahead. But there’s no way in Hell he did enough to win rounds 2 and 3. And we heard all the in-shape BJ stuff before the second fight. If he wasn’t ready for that fight, we won’t be ready for a third.
Yeah, that’s the thing. BJ looks like a monster at LW. But at WW, his record is dubious, and I am not sure what kind of shape he’ll be in. If he comes in at LW shape, he would have troubles with guys like Fitch and Alves who would muscle him around like GSP did. If he comes in heavier, he won’t be as fast and conditioned.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
Very true. Some guys are perfect at one weight, and less than ideal at the next higher weight. It’s entirely possible that both Penn and GSP have skills that wouldn’t translate nearly as well at the next higher weight. Each guys may sacrifice what makes them great at their current weight in an attempt to add the size they need to move up. So for for Penn, this definitely appears to be the case.
Ideally, I’d like to see Penn and GSP just destroy their weightclasses and have long reins. I love watching Penn fight at LW. At WW, I love seeing him get his cabbage patch head pounded in. Strange how that works.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
i agree with that
At the same time its nice to guys move up and show how much talent they have even when they aren’t bigger stronger and faster. It shows heart and grit. The whole warrior spirit and all. I feel like Bj really embodies that.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It depends. Penn is fearless, but the circumstances have to be considered. I’d prefer guys stay and fight at their weight as long as their are legit contenders for them. I want to see the best versions of each fighter, and that means seeing them at their ideal weight.
thats true. bj and george are shorter guys
That’s something that really hinders moving up too effectively. When your 6’2 you can look good from ww.to hw.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Mar 10, 2010 6:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But GSP has alot of reach
… plus a big frame like he says.
Long reach helps alot in moving up weight classes – according to Freddie Roach, anyways, who should know.
BJ Penn winning the first fight is one of these incredibly infuriating things which is based on no rational thought, but yet won’t go away for some reason. BJ did not win. I hate to break it to you.
It’s way, way dumber than even “Alan Belcher was fucking robbed!”, which I think is pretty stupid in itself.
Wow
You are a completely humorless man.
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