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MMA Nation Warm-Up: It's No Surprise ESPN Won't Carry Mixed Martial Arts

I recorded this video prior to last Sunday's show. I wanted to share it with the audience here at BloodyElbow.com because it appears to be generating some heat with me distributing this on Twitter only.

First, I recorded this video in a frustrated state. Some of my diction I'd probably alter going forward, but what's done is done.

Second, I absolutely mean what I say as it relates to my point. Perhaps ESPN is closer to carrying MMA than I realize. As I state in the video,I have not sat in on the meetings . But I have talked to as many people in positions of power at newspapers, television stations and radio stations as I possibly could. And what I keep hearing is that MMA fans really aren't sports fans in any meaningful sense. Moreover, the existing sports fans the traditional outlets do keep aren't really interested in great numbers about hearing MMA news.

Third, let's actually give ESPN some credit. Partnering with Sherdog and putting on MMA Live (which I would wager makes no money) is a huge step forward.

Arguing that poker or pool could be replaced is true, but misses some critical considerations. Pool and poker are actually widely adopted hobbies of sports fans both men and women and across age groups. They're also very inexpensive to produce. They also don't carry much baggage, unlike MMA, which has no doubt made considerable strides in changing it's image but still has a long way to go. A typical sports fan can turn on ESPN at 4pm on a Sunday and see poker without being horrified by carnage. Not so with MMA, to say nothing of the potential blowback.

Lastly, let me make something clear about MMA media talking heads or even journalists: most of them are liars. If not to you, then to themselves. I am neither interested nor do I see it as my job to cheer lead the sport. Am I a fan? Sure. But MMA won't sink or swim because of what I do. Believe me, I have been working tirelessly in the DC market to affect change for the last five years and I've barely made a dent. If you want a show that's going to offer reflexively positive commentary about the state of MMA and is going to head scratch over why mean ol' ESPN won't cover it, MMA Nation isn't the show for you. I couldn't even do that if I tried and besides, the MMA echo chamber doesn't need or want my contributions. I have banged my head against the wall wondering why MMA, despite some unreal successes made possible by the UFC, still can't seem to cross any major threshold within the traditional sports media establishment for years. Rather than asking what was wrong with others, I found it more instuctive to ask what was wrong and right about us. There's a lot to acknowledge in both categories .

Again, perhaps the UFC and ESPN are closer to a deal than I realize. That would be welcome and positive. And let me be clear: things are still in transition. MMA is getting more popular. Sports fans are coming around to MMA every day. But if six months or a year from now it is not, turn the mirror on the sport and stop asking what's wrong with the media. It might be uncomfortable what you find, but the truth isn't always assuaging.

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I'm in a library so I'm commenting without watching the video, just a heads up

I don’t think MMA is anywhere near being accepted into the “mainstream”. At least not the sport, and probably not even the UFC brand. I see people with Affliction shirts on all the time who have never heard the term “MMA”. I don’t ESPN wants to bring MMA to the mainstream, either. I think the best way for MMA to become mainstream is to keep building, and the UFC on Versus is a great starting point. Hopefully it will eventually turn into NBC Sports, but the best thing for the growth of MMA is more high quality free shows on cable TV. The networks are cool and all, but realistically the people without cable probably aren’t the ones buying PPV’s to begin with and I doubt that will change any time soon. MMA is and will continue to be a niche sport (or spectacle) which to be completely honest I am totally fine with.

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by Excelsior! on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

Highlights of Velasquez’s ko of Nogueira were all over espn, appearing on sportsnation, pti, and possibly around the horn. I think mma is going to be featured on espn sooner than we think

by rampage.yo on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Not to mention MMA live is doing well.

I heard they air it in the UK. Just a matter of time before it’s on in the US.

by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 10, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

One does not necessarily follow the other. British and American sporting culture are vastly different.

by Worldisart on Mar 10, 2010 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah it is aired on EPSN over here, but I wouldn’t necessarily see it as anything too significant. the Premier League and the UFC are the 2 big things ESPN has that no other channel does, the coverage of MMA is actually pretty good with UFC Unleashed being on fairly often.

by StevenGiles on Mar 10, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN airs UFC Unleashed over there? That’s interesting they show it on Spike TV over here in the US.

by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 10, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

They show TUF series and TUF Finales on ESPN over here aswell

by Roujam on Mar 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

it wont be on in the states anytime soon due to the fact espn rather show baseball tonight in that time slot, if they were to show mma live they would show it as late as possible

by Lancers25 on Mar 10, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

This guy hits it on the head. Compare UFC gross revenue to the other sports. It pales in comparison. I think UFC is 1/20 or something that the big 3 are.

How is viciously kicking someone in the head, choking and all that other good stuff ever going to be mainstream? It’ll never happen..

ESPN is doing much better with them. UFC gets more coverage than say the average boxing event thats for sure. Big Boxing fights get more press than UFC as they should as they bring in more money,

When comparing MMA to other sports remember that it is a combat sport and should be associated with such.

Even if they make ESPN for every big card they have the timeslots would never be anywhere close to the timeslots for the other sports. It’s just not going to happen.

That being said MMA has made it a long long way and is getting more respect which is great for us fans

by p123 on Mar 10, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

You bring up boxing and that’s the part I don’t get- why is it widely accepted as ok to punch a guy in the head repeatedly for 36 minutes as a form of entertainment yet kicking someone or trying to choke them for 15 minutes isn’t? I realize the ideal way to get mma widely accepted isn’t to just shove it down people’s throats but I can’t help feeling that if more people just sat down and watched it they would change their minds, obviously not everyone but a lot of people.

by ufc4 on Mar 10, 2010 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You know why boxing gets events on espn?

Because they’re cheap as fuck.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 10, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, that and tradition

Boxing has been on ESPN forever, and has been cut back and cut back and cut back over the years. Used to have two weekly shows, now it’s down to just one, and it’s 50-50 whether that week’s main event will really have any actual impact on anything. The fights are all pretty cheap, because ESPN’s boxing budget is quite small.

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by Scott Christ on Mar 10, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but I was talking more about just the mainstream acceptance in general. Everyone acts like mma is some barbaric duel to the death yet boxing, which is just as if not more dangerous to the athletes, is perfectly fine.

by ufc4 on Mar 10, 2010 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cultural currency carries things a long way.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 10, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The only problem is that the average person doesn’t actually know that MMA is less dangerous than boxing, and I would guess that initial perceptions would make people assume that MMA is more dangerous than boxing because there is more than just punching, and the boxing gloves give this perception that the hits aren’t as hard despite the dangers of the volume of punches to the head. Personally, I am not in any rush to see MMA reach mainstream acceptance at this juncture, and I feel that as a hardcore fan of MMA that I tend to over-value its popularity at times.

by chrisbboy82 on Mar 10, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you expect? The UFC lifted the Octagon from a scene in John Milius’s Conan. The sport is built on an image of barbaric gladiatorial combat.

by nottheface on Mar 10, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe if it were in a ring that would help then. I know what you’re saying though.

On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.

Viva L' America

by liptondrift on Mar 10, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Most ppl call WWE fans redneck, & here Luke calls MMA fans getto.

Must be why it may always be a fringe thing. & for a while I’ve been saying it’s not a sport. It sure isn’t treated like a sport by the promotions. It’s treated like just pure entertainment like WWE.

On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.

Viva L' America

by liptondrift on Mar 10, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I think ur 100% right. And that’s why me and you are fans. Problem is getting the rest of them to understand that.

by p123 on Mar 10, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

How many viewers does MMA Live get online for ESPN?

Is there a possibility it could get on ESPN2 prior to a big PPV or something as a test? Or does it not get enough viewers to warrant at least a try out on TV?

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Mar 10, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

I think they are testing it in the UK first.

I heard it airs over there on their espn. I would think the US market would do even better. Yet they would rather show bowling or darts, gotta wonder if it isn’t some kind of political pressure.

by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 10, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN in the UK is a second rate channel. They have a few soccer games and the UFC, not much else. It is probably on there to fill up a time slot. I would not read too much into it. The other sports they show include French top 14 rugby, the Russian soccer league, ice hockey, and aussie rules football.

They get a few die hard soccer fans and mma fans to subscribe and that’s where they turn a profit. If they decide to expand into F1, English rugby, cricket, more English soccer ect (sports brits actually care about) MMA live will be first to go I’m sure.

Also, the UK audience is so different they would most probably not bother to test it out there.

by nidge on Mar 11, 2010 6:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If you...

are a fan and go to Anik’s ESPN chats (1pm today), he says mma live does better online than some of their events on espn. Not sure what that means but it seems they do very well.

by Fokman on Mar 10, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really care if UFC makes it to ESPN

I know MMA isn’t going anywhere and I kinda like having my own little sport that not everyone else is into. With that said, MMA is still in it’s infancy. I don’t think it’s time to go Chicken Little just yet.

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by donkeypunch on Mar 10, 2010 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

This.

I don’t need “approval” from the main stream to think MMA is a sport. I don’t watch ESPN so I don’t care if they carry it. I am happy that promoters can (and do) make money putting on MMA. The more fights, the happier I am. Do I wish MMA had a free weekly show on ESPN or some other network? Sure but it wouldn’t change my love of the sport or how I view it. I don’t need MMA to be accepted for me to continue enjoying it.

by Riney on Mar 10, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

UFC/MMA has the internet. WE DON"T NEED ESPN.

When the next generation take over ESPN, MMA will get a more attention on the station.

ESPN is just a loop of the same highlights all day long. Why do I need to see the same stuff over and over again. I’m good. 30 for 30 is one of the few things they’ve done recently that’s interesting.

Cain’s KO of Nog got attention on ESPN because it was more of a boxing KO.

MMA Live is a great show. High School basketball get’s on air but they don’t. hahaha. So HS basketball gets more ratings than MMA would? haha What a joke.

by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 10, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

"Face the pain, Face the pain, It's ripping me into PIECES!!!!"

Danas douche metal portrayal of the sport is why it will never go mainstream. Do I need it to go mainstream? No, but it would be nice since it is the superior combat sport over boxing and… ESPN covers boxing.

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by xFenixKnightx on Mar 10, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

UFC PPV's should open with a Lady Gaga.

P-p-p-punch the face, p-p-punch the face
(Mum mum mum mah)
P-p-p-punch the face, p-p-punch the face
(Mum mum mum mah)

The music is the problem!.

ESPN is just a bunch of old school sports guys that think like Bob Aurm. MMA will be added to the mainstream sports networks eventually. MMA in New York might help.

by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t say it was the music alone. lol Its the whole EXTREEEEME potrayal/vibe. My uncle the other day commented saying ‘man, even that announcer (Bruce Buffer) is extreme.’

*shrug

Let’s not pretend the anime and fireworks version is any better

I only like that in mah Japanese MMA. I really wish Strikeforce would get rid of that cheesy ramp and pyro combo.

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by xFenixKnightx on Mar 10, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Right ... Left ... Blood ... Sweat ... Tonight, I knock you out!!!

Let’s not pretend the anime and fireworks version is any better, particularly when seen through the eyes of a typical ESPN viewer. I think most NFL/MLB/NHL fans are more in tune with the UFC’s “douche metal” approach.

by Steve4192 on Mar 10, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think many people feel the same as you donkey punch

by p123 on Mar 10, 2010 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

I think after the ESPN UK / UFC deal we are a lot closer to seeing it than we were. I know it’s a much bigger market in the U.S. and a very different market but it could happen.

by Mirjitsu on Mar 10, 2010 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

I see his point....

He has a great point. One thing that I have always wondered is what would happen if a particular promotion went public and literally became like other sport leagues in the US. EX: NBA NFL etc. There could be an MMA National League where everyone can compete. I feel as though thats the way to go and thats the ultimate goal. But because the UFC is privately owned….. why on earth would anyone ever give that up? Imagine if camps were like NBA team owners giving the fighters contracts to train with their camp and then compete in the MMA League. That would be just silly. lol

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by DJ Pullout on Mar 10, 2010 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

IFL?

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Mar 10, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

MMA simply would not work without the UFC at least as of right now. People are interested in the product the UFC sells not so much the sport.

by p123 on Mar 10, 2010 12:11 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Yep.

Any breakthrough MMA has had is based on the UFC breakthrough. Most people beyond Hardcores know of MMA as “Ultimate Fighting.” There is no such thing as MMA as far as most people are concerned.

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by pud333 on Mar 11, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Great article and great points. I think this is the reason Dana White made such a big deal with Mir’s comments. You cannot have people talking like that and expect to get a lot of positive burn on espn. Also the ratings on versus and the expectation of an oncoming fued between ESPN and comcast trying to pimp nbc sports and versus as an altrnative to espn. They do well on versus, you can bet espn will change their tune

by Loco Chewy on Mar 10, 2010 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

Well said Luke, but in all honesty I don’t want to see ESPN pick up this sport and water it down to pathetic pop pulp like they have done with every other major sport. I don’t want Chris Berman, or Stuart Scott talking nonsense about the fighters we love and pretending to know something about the sport – ESPN is national garbage.

My preference would be to see an HDNet, SPIKE, or VS take the reigns and create their own set of competing MMA networks – offering coverage and analysis the way CBS, FOX, and NBC do for football and other major sports. At least with those smaller cable networks you’ve got people working that have a true understanding of the sport and how to present it, as opposed to some corporate behemoth that is simply swooping in to try and make a quick buck.

In fact, there is a great chance that these traditional media outlets can be bypassed altogether as UFC, Strikeforce, DREAM and other major promotions could well be running their own networks and broadcasting their events directly ala the NFL Network, MLB Network, and others. There is a clear trend of pro sports organizations taking control of their own media and pulling back a bit from traditional sources which only makes sense as the big ‘nationals’ continue to lose viewership each year.

We live in niche times and I truly believe this sport can continue to grow and earn the status of other majors on its own, independent of corporate media outlets such as ESPN and others…

by fightscoops on Mar 10, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

The only point I would contest is in regards to newspapers not caring about MMA because their consumer base doesn’t care about MMA. The flip side of that argument is that their consumer base doesn’t care about MMA because their consumer base is old and getting smaller every day. If newspapers want to continue as a viable industry, they are going to have to find a way to draw in new, younger consumers. Not covering MMA because it doesn’t appeal to their current, shrinking consumer base is short sighted.

Of course, that previous paragraph assumes that there is a future for large circulation daily newspapers, an idea which I am not totally sold on. Personally, I think large circulation daily papers are going to join the buggy whip, silent movies, and the rotary phone as forgotten technologies of a bygone era.

by Steve4192 on Mar 10, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

It’s hard to become a mainstream sport without the ability for kids to stage pick-up games. Even as violent as pro, college, and HS football are, parents are usually willing to let their kids engage in touch-football pickup games with the neighborhood kids. Same with hockey, either on foot or rollerblades. Pick-up baseball (wiffel-ball) and baskeball, and soccer are givens. All the mainstream sports are something that most people have no problem playing a slightly altered version of a pickup game. There is no pick-up MMA. Sure, some dads with wrestling or martial arts backgrounds will involve their kids in it at an early age, but it’s not something that your everday parent is ever gonna be okay with little jimmy having a pick-up MMA match in the backyard

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by Stillberry on Mar 10, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

Luke, you should appear next to the dictionary definition of “American accent”.

Also, you’re correct that MMA is still small time. In a way, I like that. I like being part of the grassroots, because I get to participate in the arguments that are going to shape the sport, and because I AM a sports fan and I always wondered what it would have been like to see the early days of hockey or football. But it can’t stay this way forever; at some point, either it will attract enough attention that the seriously powerful decide there’s money to be made, or MMA’s potential will be seen as exhausted and interest will wane. But really, either way, this is a fun time in the sport and I’m enjoying it.

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by AJB on Mar 10, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

I agree that MMA not are necessarily mainstream sports fans. My friends and I like MMA, but we do not like sports. I only like Combat sports, not baseball, football,etc.

by Kefka on Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

+1 from me.

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by Benicio on Mar 10, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Same

I’ve never really participated in martial arts, but I’m a nerd, and MMA is my passion

by Patrick John McGreevy on Mar 10, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Final Fantasy League?

You are a brave, brave man for admitting such. But I’m with you on your main points. I’m a huge nerdlinger. Heck, I’m still big into superheroes. I’ve always liked playing sports – was never that great at it, but I’ve never really been a huge fan of organized sports. (I only ever watched playoff games. Regular seasons just don’t matter to me) Then came a little thing called MMA and I was hooked. All my friends who are really into MMA like me are also those who aren’t what ESPN would consider “real” sports fans. All my other friends who are big into the typical sports, don’t view MMA as a sport. They don’t mind watching it when I force them to by offering free food if they just open their minds and watch a UFC PPV with me at my place, but they wouldn’t actively seek anything out, and to them, the ground game makes no sense, and never will. This is all anecdotal, I know, but it’s what I’m faced with.

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by pud333 on Mar 11, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

kinda with you

used to be a jock, but definitely a nerd (aka adult who still enjoys crap he should have grown out of 15 -20 years ago) with a martial arts background, and currently have zero interest in sports that aren’t combative. I do like some Women’s Beach Volleyball though.

My core group of friends couldn’t care less about MMA, or any sport that isn’t football or gasp NASCAR.

by Grappo on Mar 11, 2010 4:08 AM EST up reply actions  

yea my love for MMA has pretty much taken place of all of the other sports. To me it is the only sport watching and keeping up with regularly. Sure I’ll watch Super Bowl couple bball games baseball here and there but only MMA excites me every card.

This sport is like the Matrix or something Lol.

by p123 on Mar 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t understand why so many MMA fans have an inferiority complex. If MMA stayed the way it is now and did not gain another fan I would be happy. The way I feel is it is our sport. It belongs to us the fans. I don’t need espn to cover it for me to feel the sport has validity. I am happy with the sport the way it is.

by logan00 on Mar 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

I understand this point of view but the sport needs to grow and evolve. There are some very important things needed in the sport that probably won’t come without growth. More specifically growth of revenue and pay. Fighters need full coverage health insurance for them and their families and that will come with growth of the sport.

Not to mention the sport needs to grow so that overall fighter pay can continue to increase.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Mar 10, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The sport is growing and evolving. If it were to stop growing right now I would be fine with that. But if it takes MMA growing in order for fighters to get higher purses and health insurance then so be it.

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by donkeypunch on Mar 10, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I think we wish all fighters would make a decent salary. However many people probably don’t like their athletes making too much more than them or then they hate them for their money.

I think if the average fighter made 25 k a fight people would be happy with that.

by p123 on Mar 10, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

25 k plus endorsements with 3 or 4 fights a year would be a decent living

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by donkeypunch on Mar 10, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly what I meant. Problem is if they made that much how much would the top fighters make? Well instead of top fighters moving up wait until the money gets them to that level and then move on.

It would never work but it sounds like a good idea.

by p123 on Mar 10, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

MMA fans are crazy , like soccer crazy. How many other people talk about things like our sport our champion and critique fighters for being ugh fighters.

It’s as if everyone wants to leave their mark on this sacred sport which is a secret and anyone from the outside in not welcome. Ya damn weird sport fans.

by p123 on Mar 10, 2010 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

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by pdl on Mar 10, 2010 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Youre doing it wrong.

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by xFenixKnightx on Mar 10, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea who really cares if he’s a dick or not? We are hear to watch him fight no? I guess that’s asking for alot. The personalities end up making everything. It’s everywhere from TO to Jordan to Tiger the skill is important but if he’s a doosh F that guy. But if he’s good enough we will still watch him. Crazyiness its like TMZ + fighting.

by p123 on Mar 10, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

I think arguing that MMA fans aren’t sports fans is something that is less true than it was when the soundbyte was invented. Now it just gets recycled.

by Postpubescent on Mar 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

Oh MMa fans are sports fans. They just have a different twist compared to other sports fans. Soccer fans are the craziest though.

by p123 on Mar 10, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

This guy reminds me of a handsomer Mayhem Miller.

by bassturd on Mar 10, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Ignorance

is bliss. and the media is full of ignorance. I don’t mind to let the majority of viewers gawk and complain about MMA because i just see them as uneducated morons that refuse to even give a true competitive sport a chance without a second thought. In all honesty the sport could do without these fans anyways. I have always loved the thought of any sport that pushes people to the pinnacle of human ability and just because sometimes there is some blood that doesn’t mean that it isntantly becomes inhumane and barbaric. The only reason I want MMA to become mainstream is probably the same reason as any other hardcore MMA fan, and that is strictly for a higher recognition of the athletes who train their whole life to reach their goals. As well as a higher profit to continue to produce quality shows and bring in new talent. I believe the sport has moved lightyears ahead of what it was of it’s former self and i will follow it as long as it is around. So, if the mainstream media is undecided whether or not they want to accept this sport… let them stay undecided, it will grow on it’s own. I’ve found my sport of choice and im not leaving.

by Rocejize on Mar 10, 2010 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

would dana even want his product on espn that is the question? i mean hdnet shows fights in japan and other promotions, strikeforce is on showtime and cbs but does dana want the ufc on espn or another national network. i think he should keep it on spike tv in my opinion

by Lancers25 on Mar 10, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

does dana want the ufc on espn or another national network.

He constantly talks about wanting a network deal but not having the “right” offer made.

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by Tonley on Mar 10, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

As Dana would say…“it has to be the right deal. I’m not gonna make a stupid deal.”
I thought MMA fans were fans of other sports too. My mma fandom has possibly encroachd slightly on my NFL fandom but not much. It has certainly encroached on my news houndom. I no longer need to watch as much CNN, PBS, or MSNBC (although I still will rarely miss a friday episode of “The News Hour” or Mclaughlin Group). My mma buddies are still NBA/NFL fans. I can see a lot of crossover betweeen NBA and MMA cause of the ghetto common denominator. More importantly I believe in the power of Jon Anik and The Live. They have it on TV in England. As that audience grows it will only a matter of time till it’s on at 11:30 pm here.

by naturalist on Mar 10, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

really???

Maybe it’s just me, but i’m really missing the whole “ghetto” factor here. Is that why Kimbo Slice is such a hit. I’m sorry I just have never equated MMA to anything having to do with ghetto. If anything it’s always been a more traditional asian/brazilian thing to me. Please if someone understands the “ghetto” thing, explain it.

by Rocejize on Mar 10, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really grasp the ghetto thing either.

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by donkeypunch on Mar 10, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The next generation will put MMA on ESPN.

The old school guys will blow up ESPN’s phone lines…. “What have you done to my beloved ESPN. The gutter, gutter. MMA is dog figthing. blah,blah.” hahaha.

by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 10, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

'Ghetto' thing was kind insulting.

It’s like Dana has gang members fighting on some street corner. Or, that’s how the high class guys at ESPN see it. MMA will never click with some of the old school sports guys at ESPN. It just wont.

by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 10, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think what Luke means by ghetto...

is that to outsiders MMA can seem poorly run and maintained sometimes….

If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants

by Tonley on Mar 10, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but you follow the sport actively so you know better. You know how some people in the mainstream media are...

“Kimbo Slice fighting?! And those WWE guys?! MMA is a joke!”

If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants

by Tonley on Mar 10, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. And I'm not saying they're not...

That’s just how many people see it.

If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants

by Tonley on Mar 10, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Madison Square Garden sold out for a mega fight.

 ESPN guy in the audience: “fuck! we she should have covered the sport better.”

by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 10, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right, Ghetto isn’t the best term. No one here fits that description. White dudes inked up from head to toe isn’t neccessarily ghetto it’s just more of a counter culture thing. Fighting with minimal rules isn’t something that appeals to mainstream yet. People like Machida and other are more attractive to mainstream because their styles emphasize artist in mma. Just a few years ago it was hard to find artists like that in the UFC. Now that we have more skilled artists each and every year I think we can expect to see more and more acceptance.

by naturalist on Mar 10, 2010 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

English isn’t even my first language, but I understood that much.

"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."

by spectaa on Mar 10, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Good lord, yes. How does everyone miss this? How does everyone not realize what the meaning of “ghetto” is? It means a place where particular people or groups are forced or encouraged to go that is segregated or separated from the common or mainstream. It doesn’t mean “gang members fighting on some street corner”. “Ghettoization” is an accepted terminology in academics, government and business for something that is pushed out of the popular consciousness and circulates only among a limited population. At present, that’s a dead-on description of professional MMA.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Mar 11, 2010 6:13 AM EST up reply actions  

^ This.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Mar 11, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you think he would have been just as intense about this subject if he wasn’t smacking that ball around?

by Joselana on Mar 10, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

If they take off women's pool -- I will riot!

I could watch that hot asian chick play that sexy british chick ALL DAY!

Faber, Florian, Nick Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor

by mma_dude on Mar 10, 2010 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

Up Here in Canada..

MMA coverage has increased substantially over the last couple of years, especially since GSP became champion again at UFC 83 in Montreal. Rogers Sportsnet has really taken interest in the sport as event highlights and programming focused on MMA is a regular part of the weekly line-up. The sport’s popularity is incredible here and it only continues to grow.

I don’t know if MMA will ever be covered like hockey, football, or basketball by major networks like ESPN, but I personally don’t really care if it is either. There will always be those who are attracted to and repelled by the violence of this sport, it’s a very polarizing form of competition, and I am okay with that.

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by MilesHackett on Mar 10, 2010 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

I think there is a ceiling for how big MMA can get, based purely on the fact that it is a combat sport. I mean, us Canadians love some fighting, but I think even with Canadians, there is a built-in ceiling. For some portion of the sports establishment, MMA will always be barbaric.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Mar 11, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

What's shocking about all of this

is the fact that no one yet has made a joke about Matt Brown in a suit. No one. Any takers? Bueller? Bueller?

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Mar 11, 2010 1:43 AM EST reply actions  

There's a big reason that is being missed...

(Unless I missed this point being raised)

The average sports fan doesn’t understand MMA. Yeah they get the punches and kicks, but a large portion of fights occur on the ground. Most people don’t understand the ground game yet. How often is collegiate wrestling shown on ESPN? When was the last time a judo or BJJ competition was shown on television?

The average American understands football, basketball, baseball, golf, pool, poker, and yes, boxing. There’s a history and connection. You take American football, the number 1 sport in America and put it in Spain and it flops miserably.

At the end of the day we should just enjoy MMA for what it is now. ESPN probably won’t cover MMA more until its more compelling and they have no choice but to fill the demand for MMA information.

Boxing is compelling because it has a history of great match ups and dominate champions. Until MMA has its own Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Sugar Ray Robinson, Mike Tyson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather, and Muhammad Ali (list could go on and on) it will remain a fringe sport.

by Akorn on Mar 11, 2010 2:04 AM EST reply actions  

MMA grew on the internet. The base of people that would religiously follow a show focussed on MMA news wouldn’t be there. They get their news and debate from bloodyelbow, sherdog ect ect. In fact MMA fans would be horrified at the level of debate that would make it on TV and most probably not watch. I gave up on MMA Live and that HDnet show a long long time ago.

There is no money in MMA unless you are the UFC or the cable channel they decide to focus their programming on (spike or ESPN UK). Even on spike (to the best of my knowledge) there is no MMA news type programming, people either don’t care and just want to see someone get knocked out (in fact they probably don’t even care who got knocked or who threw the punch) or they just go to bloodyelbow et al.

When it is lucrative it will happen. I am not sure when it will be lucrative. Maybe showing the odd fight would make money for both parties, but for the next few years it would probably not make financial sense for the UFC or ESPN. They both would expect too high a return for it to be viable. There is no money in it.

Also The UFC tends to focus on smaller level channels where they hold the balance of power in the negotiations. Even in the UK they did not go for the biggest sports broadcaster Sky Sports or any of the terrestrial channels. They first went for Bravo (the equivalent of spike) then Setanta sports and now ESPN UK. In each the network needed them more then they need the network. This is the way they do business. I cant see it changing in the current business climate.

When the UFC whores itself around to places like ESPN it will be after (if ever) profits drop significantly or if competitor starts to eats into their PPV buy rate. It will be a last ditch attempt at salvation, they will give ESPN (or whoever) programming, make a little profit, but primarily try use the exposure to boost PPV buys.

by nidge on Mar 11, 2010 7:14 AM EST reply actions  

re-watching for rapist hands tks jb

by Postpubescent on Mar 13, 2010 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

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