Stephan Bonnar loses UFC 110 appeal:
"A review was held ... and the Combat Sports Authority of NSW did not seek to interfere with the referee's decision," wrote Craig Waller, the Combat Sports Authority's executive director.
The light heavyweight bout came to a halt early in the third round when an accidental clash of heads opened a huge cut on Bonnar's forehead.
According to multiple reports, Bonnar [and Soszynski] will meet for a second time at "The Ultimate Fighter 11" finale on June 19 in Las Vegas.
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How could he not get a No Contest for this one?
by grein on Mar 10, 2010 9:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure an accidental headbut that causes one fighter to not be able to continue
is ruled a NC. Well, I think that’s what Bonnar said after the fight. The ref thought it had been caused because of a strike so he awarded Soszynski the win.
That’s their rationale from what I remember.
Like I've been saying...
it is very hard to get a ref’s decision overturned after the fact.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 10, 2010 9:11 AM EST reply actions
Billy Evangelista vs. Mike Aina
The ref’s DQ of Evangelista was changed to a No Contest by the commission.
by Scott Haber on Mar 10, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
If Anthony Johnson couldn’t get a decision overturned after the multiple eye pokes from Kevin Burns, I don’t see how Bonnar could have gotten this decision overturned. I actually don’t think he should have gotten a no contest anyway because that should have gone to the score cards.
by chrisbboy82 on Mar 10, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Bonnar has been getting the shaft lately.
I feel bad for the guy, good thing the company has his back.
I'm reminded of something Mayhem said
“If you’re not going to enforce the rule, then why even have it?” This is senseless to me, unless the unified rules allow the ref to bend the rules if in a different time zone or something.
what rule isn’t being enforced?
the ref screwed up. Unless there is a rule somehwere saying that they can fix ref screws up, there’s really nothing they can do.
An accidental clash of heads should result in a no contest under the rules.
I’m not 100% on that but I’ll look it up……
after 2 rounds it goes to the scorecards...
but certainly not a TKO
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 10, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
The rule that if a fight ends to an illegal strike in the third round or later a technical decision is rendered, Varner/Cerrone-style. It should have been very fixable with the AC seeing multiple camera angles, but you’re right: the ref did screw up. I wonder if he used instant replay here.
Your point about the unified rules is interesting, though; does anyone know if there’s a specific provision laying out the AC’s power to overturn stuff like this?
In order for the AC to fix the problem, they would need judges scorecards for the third round. Unfortunately, since the fight was ruled a stoppage, they did not score the third round.
I don’t see any way the AC could ‘fix’ this.
Would they?
I’d been left with the impression they could either score it as a two-round fight or score what they saw of the third round; I’m gonna look this one up, but I’m willing to believe I’m Dead Wrong.
I do see what both you and Phildo are saying, and I see definite logic in giving the ref final authority. I just think that the fair way to do this (in my Ideal Princess World) is either a NC or a technical decision; a revocation of a loss is, in my eyes, a fix in and of itself.
If it were ruled an accidental headbutt when it happened, the judges would have had to score the third round and then the cards for all three rounds would have been tallied up. Unfortunately, since it was ruled a legit stoppage via punch rather than an accidental headbutt, they did not score the third round.
Even ruling it a NC would be better, if not ideal, than letting the L stand.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 10, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
this kinda sucks cuz bonnar’s case was pretty clear cut, i mean they put instant replay in for a reason but w/e…i just think they’re afraid to start overturning decisions cuz they’re afraid every guy who is the victim of any type of controversial is gonna want an appeal and they’re just trying to avoid the headache
It’s entirely possible that instant replay was not available in Australia. It’s not in every state in the U.S. either.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 10, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
If a fight is stopped on advice of the ring doctor after an accidental but illegal action, e.g., a clash of heads, and the contest is in its second or third round, the match will be decided by the judges using the same criteria.
That’s from Wikipedia, but it sounds right to me. If this fight was in the 2nd or 3rd round it should have went to the cards.
Dumbasses...
You cite the same source that wikipedia cites, not wikipedia itself!
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 10, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Why do Athletic Commissions circle the wagons and act as if their refs are infallible?
What’s the deal with that? Isn’t GETTING IT RIGHT the most important part? Or is the Athletic Commission’s reputation paramount?
Sadly, it seems like the latter is the case.
I think the case has always been that they feel like if they change ref’s decisions that it lessens the referee’s credibility and role in a fight. But, it’s all bullshit anyway.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 10, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
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Why is he on his high horse? Because he appealed an incorrect decision?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 10, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
probably alluding to the fact that Bonnar popped for steroid use...
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
horse meat means steroids
ever since overeem said eating horse meat got him from a skinny 205 to a jacked out of his mind heavyweight horsemeat has become a metaphor for steroids ever since
Got the link between horse meat and steroids...
but the shooting it up his ass stuff was just weird. Must just be me.
“Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.” He gets caught with steroids, then complains about something being unfair? Sure the decision might have been unfair but don’t come crying to me when you yourself didn’t play by the rules.
by dreamers_12345 on Mar 10, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
The real issue here is that Bonnar has nothing left imo.
He let a middling jorneyman take him out after losing to Coleman who looked beyond awful against Randy.
Bonnar is sputtering out and it’s only a matter of time before Dana does something to address it. We know Dana has said Bonnar is one of his guys that will always have a job with the UFC but nobody is going to pay to see this guy fight after 3,4,5 losses.
No one pays to see anyone fight below the guys at the very top of the card.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 10, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Right but I think his status as main card is finished. And how long can Dana really keep him on cards undercard or not at this rate?
You cut Coleman after he loses to Randy but keep Bonnor after his string of losses including a loss to a guy you just cut?
You can’t play favorites and expect a happy morale..
Sure he can.
In fact, keeping Bonnar could show what putting on a kick as fight can do for the company’s loyalty to you.
I get the feeling that lots of fighters get cut as much for their losses as for their lack of aggressive and exciting fighting style…which is often related.
actually, he CAN play favorites, and he’s stated MULTIPLE times that a fighter is cut for his performance in the octagon, not whether he wins or loses.
ex. thales leites, basically tried to be a power bottom in a title fight and then was shitty in his next fight, and so he got cut
ex. clay guida, perennial gatekeeper with about a 50/50 win loss, but is always in exciting fights, so he gets kept
by Austin Martin on Mar 10, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Another fail by the useless commision. Man these guys don’t even know how to operatate under any sort of common sense guidelines do they? They never do anything about anything. They just take your piss that’s it.
They can’t really just make up rules as they go along. They operate under the guidelines in place at the time. Should it be addressed by commissions? Yes. But the commission didn’t fail in it’s actions, it followed the rules.
There sure are a lot of uninformed comments on BE lately.
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Regardless. Someone needs to change the rules then. Whoever’s job that is should be fired. This is an atrocity. When you suck at your job you deserve to be fired. They suck. Whoever is responsible for them sucking should get canned as well..
When you job doesn’t follow common sense what sense does it make to keep around?
Common sense…you mean like replying to a person correctly? Or spelling stuff correctly? Or not repeating yourself 4 times?
Yes, the rules should include instructions for situations like this. But it’s not like they can just wake up and say “we’re going to change the rules today”. Their new combat sports act is only 5 months old. And, they follow the lead of the major commissions in the US. Remember recently when AJ couldn’t get the Burns win overturned? That was one of the biggest commissions in the world, and they didn’t even the foresight to address it before that went down.
It’s a problem that needs to be addressed across the entire spectrum of the governing bodies of the sport. The combat sports authority of NSW just followed their rules as they were set out. By your “logic”, everyone needs to be fired. That’s ridiculous.
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Actually p123 makes a point that I agree with most rules should be written over and employes canned. If you listen to Jordn Breens radio show he thinks that most AC are totaly incompetent when it comes to MMA and I tend to agree also.
This kinda helps prove my point from a few days ago when arguing about the fact that fight commissions never seem to clean up their own messes and do what’s right.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
This is a problem everywhere in the world.
They can’t just go around and change things unless there is a procedure in place to change it.
After the game, everyone knew that Colorodo got 5 downs to beat Missouri, but there was nothing anyone could do about it, so the call stood as it was.
in the NBA, the heat and the Hawks had to replay the last 51.9 seconds of a game because they said Shaq fouled out when he shouldn’t have. They had to replay those last 51.9 seconds even though Shaq was traded to the Suns, because the NBA has a procedure for overturning this certain type of error.
If there is no way in the rules for things to be fixed, they can’t just fix it, no matter how “right” it would be.
After the game, everyone knew that Colorodo got 5 downs to beat Missouri, but there was nothing anyone could do about it, so the call stood as it was.
The alleged letter sent by the coach afterwards was, “That’s okay, don’t let it get you down down down down down.”
This is a good thing for Bonnar really. Had the fight gone to the cards, I’m pretty sure he would have lost.
How is a TKO loss better than a decision loss?
by HarmlessNinja on Mar 10, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
A shame for Bonnar to chalk up an L
but still, at least he’s getting a rematch in short order – and in Vegas, under NSAC governance
by VikingPhotography on Mar 11, 2010 7:19 AM EST reply actions
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