Quote of the Day 2: Vadim Finkelstein Says "We Are Interested in Fighting Josh Barnett", Not Alistair Overeem
by Nick Thomas on Mar 1, 2010 7:54 PM EST
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"I personally think that Alistair Overeem did not reach the desired level to challenge Fedor. He beat a lot of no-name opponents in Mixed Martial Arts. Overeem defeated Paul Buentello and then disappeared from the United States for more than two year, which is simply ridiculous. Also, pay attention that Werdum beat Overeem when they were fighting in Pride, four years ago."
"We do not fight for the Strikeforce Heavyweight Title. Strikeforce are our partner, and any titles whether it is UFC, Strikeforce, WAMMA, Dream… they are just medals. Fedor is above these things. We are interested in the level of our opponent and his popularity among the audience."
"Exactly. We are more interested in fighting Josh Barnett, who is currently disqualified until September. When he returns from his suspension and if he tests clean, we might consider fighting him."
-- M-1 Global Boss Vadim Finkelstein talks to sports.ru. (translated by lowkick.com)
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…any titles whether it is UFC, Strikeforce, WAMMA, Dream… they are just medals. Fedor is above these things.
Can we just call Fedor Cincinnatus and be done with it?
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Those belts are all gold colored.
As we know, Russians prefer the Platinum.
by Razreshat on Mar 1, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Good Lord at the news tonite
my fingers hurt.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
He has nothing to offer for Fedor Emelianenko, except being a steroid bully
How many more times has Overeem tested positive than Barnett? Oh, right…
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Mar 1, 2010 7:58 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Horse meat?
I thought it was gummy bear juice?
by timetosaygoodbye on Mar 2, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Weird
I can see Vadim’s point, but don’t think Fedor should skip the chance to become the champ. Just me though…
no matter how they try to spin it, fedor is going to come off as ducking a fight against a
very dangerous alistair, and in the end, they are going to tarnish his legacy
all the stage managing by m1 is the very reason why I feel that we most likely will never see a prime fedor fighting in the ufc, which is just tragic
We are interested in the level of our opponent and his popularity among the audience."
So I guess that means he won’t be fighting Brett Rogers, Andrei Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, Hong-Man Choi, Matt Lindland, Mark Hunt, Mark Coleman, Zuluzinho, Tsuyoshi Kohsaka…..
by argyle on Mar 1, 2010 8:05 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Strikeforce is our partner, but listen up as I completely shit all over the most marketable matchup they can offer us.
by Phildo on Mar 1, 2010 8:09 PM EST reply actions 33 recs
This should break rec records people.
"the views displayed by Mr.Norhtnashville in no way reflect the views of more mature Titan fans. Viewer discretion is advised. Loser.
by MrNorhtNashville on Mar 1, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Personally I think Strikeforce would be better off without Fedor and M-1…
by nastyem on Mar 1, 2010 8:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is pretty much the truth. Fedor’s team is basically bending SF over a barrel and ass raping them. “Oh hey, remember when you built an organization around promoting Fedor? Well now let’s renegotiate.”
Its worse than that even because Strikeforce...
had to sign terrible deal with CBS and Showtime to be able to land Fedor. Deals they will likely be stuck with long after Fedor and M1 move on to another promotion to undermine.
Fedor is like a hot chick you want to bang...
… but you know she has genital herpes. She may be okay now, but she’ll have flareups. M1 = herpes.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
by pud333 on Mar 1, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wrap and tap.
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by Ubernoober on Mar 1, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry man
But knowing a girl has herps automatically makes her un-hot.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Mar 1, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You would raw dog a flaring Angelina Jolie or your not a man.
"the views displayed by Mr.Norhtnashville in no way reflect the views of more mature Titan fans. Viewer discretion is advised. Loser.
by MrNorhtNashville on Mar 1, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
negative....
wouldn’t happen…. but if she didn’t have any visible bumpz around her mouth………..
"If I told you I was good, you would think I am boasting. If I told you I was not good, you would know I am lying" Bruce Lee
God I hope they can come to an agreement...
I need my Lord and Fedor to return to vanquish those who seek his power yet again…
Yea, and as Our Lord and Fedor gazed over his dominion of Strikeforcea he saw that some of his children had engaged in impure conduct.
Our Lord and Fedor spoke “Let this musclebound abomination be struck from my sights as he is an obscenity to fairness and justice in my land of Strikeforcea.”
And so it was written. And so it was done.
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Fedor has only
fought top fighter his entire career. He should be able to pick and choose.
I wouldn't say 'entire career'. Also why should he pick and choose who I pay to see him fight?
He should be fighting people in the top 5 only. Also he should be fighting guys who the fans want to see. Casual fans(the guys who pay the bills) would probably rather see Fedor beat up the giant roided freak.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Choi is a top guy cause he is very tall.
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by Ubernoober on Mar 1, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does Josh Gross like this
Seriously when people argue for co-promotion or cross promotion. Its an iron fisted strong organization like the UFC or its Boxing style shenanigans
I asked him this via twitter today…his response
@thisredengine In certain situations, yes. It’s like political sausage making. In the end, the product matters more than how it got made.
twitter.com/thisredengine
true; but shit sausages still dont taste good.
by Beren on Mar 1, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made."
-Otto von Bismarck.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
The important thing he doesn’t get is that sausages that should get made don’t get made with his sausage machine. Also, sausage factories that try his methods tend to go out of business competing with the more efficent sausage manufacturing methods of the UFC.
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please note that he didn’t respond to my follow up
@SI_JoshGross even if you sacrifice organizations for it? history shows that this ends up killing promotions.
his response was in regards to this
@SI_JoshGross do you still think that co-promotion is the best thing for the sport when M-1 doesn’t really do much besides offer Fedor?
twitter.com/thisredengine
F-INg Ridiculous
Im the biggest Fedor Fan in the world. I have defended him everystep of the way. But this is absolutely BS.
If you sign to a fight org, you fight the top guys. Maybe if they were trying to make him fight some scrub, but overeem is the champion. Fedor’s “management” is supposedly going co-promoting and they want him to figh Barnett. LOL, how about you fight the CHAMPION of the organization?
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We are interested in the level of our opponent and his popularity among the audience
BROCKLESNAR!!!!
'Ello G'vnor!
by IHateMMA on Mar 1, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
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"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Mar 2, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Overeem is a steroid bully if Barnett is a steroid nerd
by Yasnian on Mar 1, 2010 8:16 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
while it does crap on the whole “partnership” with strikeforce, I wouldn’t be shocked to see that this is an evil “crazy russian” plot to set up a precedence of not fighting for belts, to try and get around the champion’s clause when they try make a run with the ufc next.
What is the desired level, Vadim? Must we create some sort of monster with Brock Lesnar’s body, Badr Hari’s striking, and Xande’s jiu-jitsu?
Vadim: “But he lost to Joshua Glenn in wrestling match in 2007. Rematch first, then Fedor consider.”
It makes no sense. Mark Hunt got a title shot the fight after getting tooled by Barnett!!!!! At least Overeem’s been fighting the best kickboxers in the world for 2-years now
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
vadim pisses excellence and shits on logic.
by Austin Martin on Mar 1, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
holy shit, a Josh Glenn reference
I had a Middle Eastern history class with Josh Glenn at American. u talking about that Josh Glenn? if so, where did that come from and which part of the fedor-opponent-monster lost a wrestling match to Josh Glenn?
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
Just my hypothetical wrestling monster-with-no-name. I have one roommate who is on the wrestling team and watches vids of wrestling matches all the time (vids he orders online or has made himself). Probably his most oft-viewed DVD is Glenn vs. Kurt Backus, a match he attended and personally shot on camera.
My other roommate is on the fencing team and watches fencing vids on youtube all the time, of which I can make no sense.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Mar 1, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
You should join the MMA team and you guys would be an unstoppable trifecta.
by HarmlessNinja on Mar 3, 2010 3:55 AM EST up reply actions
M1 said
“Our opener won’t work on roids just soup.”
Crazy russian is protecting his investment.
He knows the million dollar paydays he commands for himself will end the second ubereem sets foot in a cage with Fedor.
Hypocrisy, by M-1 Global
then disappeared from the United States for more than two year
before Affliction, it was also more than 2 years before Barnett fought in the US.
He has nothing to offer for Fedor Emelianenko, except being a steroid bully.Josh Barnett tested positive 3 times, and yet they’re more willing to fight him.
We are interested in the level of our opponent and his popularity among the audience.Alistair Overeem (Num9 HW) > Josh Barnett (Num12 HW) …..and I need not mention all the low level opponents Fedor has faced in recent years.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 1, 2010 8:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Josh Barnett’s opponents > Alistair Overeem’s opponents
Josh Barnett:
SUB Gilbert Yvel (36-14-1) #24
KO Pedro Rizzo (17-9-0) #18
DEC Jeff Monson (32-9-0) #22
SUB Hidehiko Yoshida (9-7-1) #53
Alistair Overeem:
KO Kazuyuki Fujita (15-9-0) #111
SUB James Thompson (15-12-0) #161
SUB Tony Sylvester (11-3-0) #172
SUB Gary Goodridge (23-20-1) #248
Not sure how Alistair is higher than Barnett based on the competition they’ve both faced…
- Rankings were based on SBNation
- Rankings where based on Fight Matrix
we can dispute the rankings (I don't think Overeem is top 10, either)
but the consensus thinks Overeem should be ranked higher, and that’s the only thing I was pointing out cause M-1 guy says he’s concerned about “Popularity and Level of Opponent”.
but to answer your question, Barnett is lower cause of his steroid suspension and more than a year of inactivity. While Alistair gets brownie points for beating some of the top K-1 guys (which shouldn’t affect his MMA ranking IMO, but alas, the MMA community says it matters.).
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 1, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think Overeem is top 10.
I mean it’s the HW division you can’t get past the top 15 without having complete scrubs in there.
tabreaz said - "Brock a national champion? Are u actually seriously saying brock is better than rogers due to him being a champion in a completely differant sport?"
Isn't Youtube fun?
if you want my opinion though, (which isn't related to the topic or the original point, which is M-1's hypocrisy)
I’d say Overeem shouldn’t be in the top 10, cause non-MMA fights shouldn’t affect MMA rankings, like how Magalhaes’ grappling creds doesn’t affect his MMA ranking.
And I think Barnett shouldn’t be ranked at all.. If you fail a drug test (let alone that you did it multiple times), and become inactive for more than a year, I think you shouldn’t be ranked until you start competing again.
but again, these are my opinions, and it really doesn’t matter from the topic at hand. so…
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 1, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
I actually was starting to like Fedor, but if he lets this Guy handle his decisions, I don’t care if he never fights on US TV again
Barnett’s a beatable opponent and that’s crap
all you gotta do is...
by imapimp08 on Mar 1, 2010 8:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How about
After Werdum he fights Overeem to become champ and THEN fights Barnett? Anyone else like the sound of this?
"The left hand brings death, but the right one even I am afraid of."-Mariusz Pudzianowski
Me-1st
God it’s amazing the level of bs coming from M-1. They really are crazy russians.
Sounds like fun times over at Strikeforce.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 1, 2010 8:35 PM EST reply actions
Finkelstein is the new Soares
I would like to see him fight Barnett and Overeem and I don’t care what order its in. Right now the only heavyweights outside of the UFC I have interest in him fighting are these two. But I’m getting tired of this cloak and dagger crap just fight already.
2 years ago they wouldn’t fight because they were such good friends, now Barnett is the only one he wants to face…someone please explain me what did I miss?
"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."
Finkelstein going batshit insane after the collapse of Pride.
by ufc4 on Mar 1, 2010 8:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope so
If this all results in Fedor fighting in the UFC then great. But most people tell me thats wishful thinking.
Dana: "there's a loophole in Fedor's contract."
Then, We find out Fedor is renegotiating his contract.
I’m okay with Fedor not fighting in the UFC. He brings a ton of drama with him.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 1, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
im not so sure that Dana is really all that excited about dealing with these arse clowns.
Although im pretty sure once inside the UFC fedor and m1 would end getting court raped by zuffa for this type of bullshit.
im glad i don’t give a damn about frodo; otherwise the constant ups and downs of him almost fighting would drive me nuts.
Now that I could completely care less about Fedor...
all of this is absolutely hilarious. I cannot wait to see what Vadim and Fedor will do next.
No to the steroid bully Overeem...
…but yes to the squeaky clean Barnett?
Thank god these guys aren't with the UFC
Good call Dana, thank you for sticking to your guns.
Brock vs Fedor isn’t worth putting up with this bullshit.
lol at people calling other mma fighters “bully”. what they are supposed to do is try to beat each other up.
I remember when Brock first debuted and some hardcore fans said that he doesn’t really know how to fight but rather just bullies other fighters…. WTF on that does he beat them up and take their lunch money?
by kanodogg on Mar 1, 2010 9:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
does anyone else think this pursuit of a barnett fight is just so fedor can get revenge for josh sinking the 3rd affliction show?
by brooksto on Mar 1, 2010 9:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
M-1 ain't happy
As there was a mistranslation of the article, it never mentions steroids.
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I’m sure he just said something about Overeem’s size. He was probably saying that he hasn’t faced the competition to fight Fedor and that his hype comes from the fact that he’s a beast.
Word.
I’ll make sure they know it is fixed, we can all rest easy.
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Finkelstein went razor-sharp on his words by claiming that "Overeem has nothing to offer for Fedor, except being a steroid bully." The comments were immediately censored on the Russian website Sports.ru, but the headline remained the same.
http://www.lowkick.com/Strikeforce/Finkelstein-Alistair-Overeem-is-a-steroid-bully-6785
Their PR crew has their ways
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No fedor until september?
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
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It has to be hard to remember exactly how many "o"s are in that.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
No fighter is worth this shit, fuck it cut him ane let him wander off and look for another host to breed in. I forget who said it but im starting to be in the line of thought that M1 made the stipulations of the deal with UFC so reatrded so that the UFC would not do it just for the fact to keep clear of the monsters the UFC has.
by Riley_96 on Mar 1, 2010 9:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Fedor kills opponents. M-1 kills promotions.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 1, 2010 10:16 PM EST reply actions
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Mar 1, 2010 10:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
fuckin a!
wtf! did dude just say fedor doesnt care about the stirkforce belt? lolololol
i enjoy the fights stirkforce puts on but their belts are a joke and this shit is ridiculous.
stirkforce gots too many mofos in the cookie jar
"Live fast, die."
GREAT PROMOTERZ...
" Fedor iz sooooo good… he doesn’t even care winning anymore…. he just wantz to pick and choose the guyz he beatz up".. STRIKEFORCE!! Here iz egg on your face!
"If I told you I was good, you would think I am boasting. If I told you I was not good, you would know I am lying" Bruce Lee
Laughable
I hate on Barnett all the time as the most over rated, over ranked fighter in the HW top 20…
but if Finkelstein want to fight Barnett, I will pay $50 to watch it.
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