Could Strikeforce in May Be the Most Packed Heavyweight Card Since PRIDE With Fedor Emelianenko, Alistair Overeem and a Former UFC Champ, Andrei Arlovski?
by Kid Nate on Mar 2, 2010 9:55 AM EST
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With the announcement of the signing of Andrei Arlovski to Strikeforce -- the number #11 heavyweight in the USAT/SBN Consensus MMA Rankings -- and his expected fight against #17 Antonio Silva has Strikeforce laid the first brick in what could become the biggest wall of heavyweight fights on a single card since a PRIDE Open GP. Both fighters are coming off losses, two in Arlovski's case but both are still respected and considered to be formidable contenders.
#9 Alistair Overeem vs #8 Brett Rogers is a solid second layer to the event. It won't be a title fight (lame), but Overeem needs a build-up fight and to get some exposure with the Strikeforce audience. If he walks through the formidable Brett Rogers -- a man who annihilated a former UFC champ in 22 seconds and gave Fedor quite a bit of trouble -- Overeem will have earned his place in the USAT/SBN Consensus MMA Rannkings heavyweight top ten.
And if they manage to get Fedor on the card, his fight against #10 Fabricio Werdum will be a fight worth seeing and a legitimate title fight in any promotion.
In fact you might say Strikeforce is attempting, as Affliction did before it, to beat the UFC in the same division where PRIDE famously dominated for most of the past decade.
But before I get all misty eyed, the UFC today with its stacked and compelling heavyweight division might just be better than anything PRIDE ever did, as BE fanposter DavidAC wrote in his excellent FanPost:
Personally I think a lot of this misses the real narrative: the barometer for success is being raised. It's an obvious enough point I guess, but sometimes I suspect people still don't get it. There's a level of nostalgia surrounding the old hunting grounds known as Pride that reveals the fanboy in us all, but that fanboy sometimes looks less like a sucker for the past, and more like the Star Wars geek who is 40 years old, and ignored the social joys of being next to a living breathing female in order to rebuild his bed in the shape of the Death Star.
This, to me, was the real story of UFC 110: that the future is now. Watching icons of the past like Nog, Wand, and Mirko struggle all at once simply made it more obvious.
...
It's not that I don't appreciate Pride. It was a great organization. I missed (literally) the Sakuraba years, but became well acquainted with it in 2002, mostly through online results. And yes, like all good MMA, loved it. But I never felt the need to romanticize Pride, like some do. I get the sense that for some observers, both professional and non, Pride was as good as it got: the equivalent of the Ali era in HW boxing, or something incredibly stupid.
...
This not to say that MMA as is good as it will get, and the sport is not without its many problems. But like it or not, if there is such a thing as an MMA "golden era", we're a hell of a lot closer to that now than we ever were.
I think he's right, needlessly insulting to the greatness that was PRIDE, but still right.
And sadly, no matter how stacked Strikeforce's May card is, the UFC heavyweight division has more up and comers in Carwin, Velasquez, Dos Santos, Duffee and yes, Brock Lesnar than Strikeforce does. In fact, other than potentially Alistair Overeem, there is no one on a real career upswing in Strikeforce's heavyweight division.
But that doesn't mean that they haven't inadvertently done an excellent job of hyping up this card because of all the mystery and confusion and yes, controversy, about who will be fighting on it.
I've bitched about Strikeforce's poor PR practices in the past, but they appear to be pulling off something that us communications professionals call "the rolling clusterfuck" in which a company or individual creates a seemingly endless series of controversies and in the end, only gains profitable notoriety from the hubbub. Paris Hilton is the past master of the form.
So in sum: Strikeforce is putting together the most stacked heavyweight card in MMA since the heyday of PRIDE, but it doesn't matter because the UFC's heavyweight division is so incredibly stacked that it shames Strikeforce's older roster, and yet, Strikeforce is doing very well for themselves by generating this much controversy whether inadvertent or not.
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nah, rogers didn’t annihalate arlovski in :08, that’s what the ufc record was, held by don frye + james irvin, before todd duffee broke it, rogers vs. arlovski took :22
Let’s be honest.
The real UFC record belongs to Bang Ludwig, regardless of what the official records indicate.
Pretty sure this incident had something to do with it
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 2, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Your going to get blasted by the anti-UFC crowd.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 1, 2010 10:37 PM EST reply actions
He'll get blasted no matter what, what does it matter.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Mar 1, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just for the record, I am not trying to blast anyone, just stating my opinion. Reading Nate’s posts, I feel there is an Anti-Dana White, maybe down with the UFC sentiment from Nate. Could be wrong.
"Call that Amber Lamps"
by DallasMMAFan on Mar 1, 2010 10:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Must be this part
“Strikeforce is putting together the most stacked heavyweight card in MMA since the heyday of PRIDE, but it doesn’t matter because the UFC’s heavyweight division is so incredibly stacked that it shames Strikeforce’s older roster”
by ufc4 on Mar 1, 2010 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was a joke Anton, check your sarcasm detector.
by ufc4 on Mar 1, 2010 11:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anton, this entire site is anti-Dana/UFC. Don’t you know this?!
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
both of you,
lick my balls. hahahhaha. What a dumb comment.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 1, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I’m flagging for inappropriate!
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
well what about you Anton?! WHO BANS YOU!
ALSO
i’m gonna be having dinner with geoff on monday, i’ll give his gaptooth self a high five for you.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
i’m gonna tell him “i missed your gaptooth”.
also
going to be living with eyeball records. gonna be epic.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
next time you're on the east coast
hangout…considering we’ll be having backyard shows and stuff all summer.
also if you like glassjaw check out eyeballs new band jacobi wichita.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
rad, I’m having them and Astronautalis play a show on monday. I’ll try and get video for you dude.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
awesome
so what do you do for them exactly? are you with eyeball?
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 1, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Alex is one of my really close friends, used to work for them, now I just help out with putting bands up and getting them shows. But Alex wants to move down to the shore so I’m getting a house with him.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
dude, i sent your info to the presidents of the clubs. it may take awhile for the turnover, considering we just recently had officer elections after new members were let in
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 2, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
hey no worries man, I’m gonna be there for the show at that one club anyways if you wanna meet up for a beer.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Terrace is the only real Alt place around
They’re gonna hook your band up with a bunch of ganja and a case of Stella Artois.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Mar 2, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
After all the horrible thins I say about Fishbob and I’m still here?
Wait until the week before the fight; it’s going to be biblical.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
whats with the fishbob? i don’t get it.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man the Fishbob. Its only the best nickname ever. (albeit with some vague racial overtones)
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Calling a Filipino a fish because of his eyes. I think you would have to be either from the USA or the Philipines and be extremely sensitive to see anything wrong with it though.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
I just think he looks a bit like a fish because of his quasi lazy bugeyes and the shape of his mouth.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
If Uber said we all looked like fishes, then we have a problem.
but he hasn’t, so it’s all good.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 1, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
and then a week after the fight,
you’ll still have this on.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 1, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Is that your first banning? Your parents must be so proud…sniff
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
haha. no actually.
I just don’t say it here. But this guy just told us to Lick his balls. so…
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 1, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve only been coming to this site for the past year or so, so alot of the stuff I read from him seems to have a bit of bias against UFC. I am not going to go dig to see all that he has written positive for UFC, I am just simply stating an opinion. If you don’t like, lick my balls.
"Call that Amber Lamps"
by DallasMMAFan on Mar 1, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Prepare to get rule 4'd
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 1, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t really give a shit. i like reading the posts here and catching up on current news, but if I cant come in and post my opinion then fuck it.
"Call that Amber Lamps"
by DallasMMAFan on Mar 1, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
You can express your opinion if you do it well. “Lick my balls” doesn’t qualify.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Lick my balls really isn’t an opinion, more like a request. My opinion is stated in a different post.
"Call that Amber Lamps"
by DallasMMAFan on Mar 1, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
this is getting gnarly
what’s with the aggression man?
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
No aggression, just bad language.
"Call that Amber Lamps"
by DallasMMAFan on Mar 1, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
try not to be so aggro…it’s just a sport.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sir, again, no aggression.
"Call that Amber Lamps"
by DallasMMAFan on Mar 1, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
okay no worries…can you mail me some lonestar or shiner bock?
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is shipping beer legal?
"Call that Amber Lamps"
by DallasMMAFan on Mar 1, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
i hope so…shiner bock is delicious.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Enjoying a shiner bock right now
rec’d for good taste in beer. I seriously think this is going to be one of the things I miss most about Texas when I move out of this place.
“Lick my balls” gives rhetorical context on how to understand your position. It counts.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Well I am done talking about my balls….
"Call that Amber Lamps"
by DallasMMAFan on Mar 1, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
well
I probably am harder on Dana White than anyone else in the sport. You know why? Because he’s the most powerful individual in the sport. Powerful people need to face serious criticism. The fawning bootlickery he mostly gets in the media creates a niche for us to hold his feet to the fire.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
As long as Dana White is not a fighter:
he’s a fucking douchebag assface who abuses HGH and juice and can eat my nuts.
UFC, however, is the best promotion on earth and I love it.
BOOSH
There’s no way Dana is more powerful than Mariusz Pudzianowski, that guy can bench like 600 pounds.
by ufc4 on Mar 1, 2010 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
I rec’d cause you spelled his name out.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe some time away from BE would do you good...
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
LOL
So can Lesnar and Tank Abbott.. lol
And probably a few more fighters as well..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Ah, I always wondered how you justifies you bias to yourself, Nate
Pretty much the exact same thinking as Bill O’Reilly, and the rest of Fox News: pretending everyone else is biased in the other direction, so their shoddy reporting is actually heroic in some way. Brilliant reasoning there, bias is better than balance. You renegade you.
everyone needs to chill out.
Now I was proudly calling Nate all sorts of different words for stupid when there was the whole josh gross/copromotion ridculousness and arguing over nonsense when the UFC “lost all their momentum” during the biggest injury drought they’ve ever had, but where the fuck have you guys been since then?
nate was giving it to Strikeforce just as hard for the last week or two when they disappeared off the face of the earth, or when they were pulling jabroni’s out of their asses to fight lashley and walker on 36 hours notice. just as hard as he was giving it to the UFC a month ago.
by Phildo on Mar 2, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You...
are living up to your name.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 2, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Cannon Jacques
Back with a vengeance
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
You're doing a hell of a job...
of making ridiculous, over-the-top arguments that really have no point. I’ll let you in on something…they’re all biased. Everyone that writes for BE, and everyone who has written here in the past is biased in some way. It’s not a disqualifying factor. So what if Nate is harder of Dana White and the UFC than he is on other promotions. I’m not agreeing with that contention, but then again I’m not keeping score.
If he’s so out of bounds that you can’t tolerate it, ignore his articles. That’s all you can do besides bitch, because he’s not going anywhere. Because Kid Nate’s ass is firmly glued to the throne that’s bolted to the concrete floor of the Bloody Elbow castle.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 2, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
gosh Nate, writing a story about a card that would feature three meaningful heavyweight bouts, something we haven’t seen in the division that conventional wisdom says is the most important in combat sports…how biased are you?
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by Zak Woods on Mar 1, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel the same way, and it seems to be almost every post by nate is anti-ZUFFA
I don’t post here on a regular basis, mostly lurking. But in my opinion, from what I’ve read this dude has an agenda. Not sure if the UFC turned down his application for a job or if Dana spit in his gravy or what, but it’s borderline laughable. With this whole Strikeforce/M1/Fedor clusterfuck going on, he takes time to post this drivel speculating that SF is putting on the greatest HW card since Pride. Well first name the best Pride HW card for reference purposes. Then tell me, after all we’ve seen with the downward slope in both skill and competition of these famously mythical Pride HW’s since coming to the States i.e. CroCop, BigNog…, and the upward influx of new top tier talent the UFC seems to keep pulling out of their asses, tell me how the fuck is anything Strikeforce putting on capable of being compared to anything the UFC has done with their HW div. since we all stopped calling it a joke? SF has the guy Fedor(the best) beat fighting the guy who is SF’s HW champ(who has never defended) and its not even for a title. Long story short, I think someone needs to rethink posting bullshit before the readers have a chance to call him out on it.
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by mr.bungle on Mar 2, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Stop being so offended
but for one of your references:
Critical Countdown Absolute
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
I think you missed the point...
Nate says UFC has by far a better HW division.. but the UFC doesn’t put all of it’s HW eggs in one basket (or one card, if you suck at comprehension)…
If you put down your “Nate iz anti zuffa!” pitchfork, you may understand the point in all of this.
So in sum: Strikeforce is putting together the most stacked heavyweight card in MMA since the heyday of PRIDE, but it doesn’t matter because the UFC’s heavyweight division is so incredibly stacked that it shames Strikeforce’s older roster, and yet, Strikeforce is doing very well for themselves by generating this much controversy whether inadvertent or not.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 2, 2010 4:52 AM EST up reply actions
Selective reading?
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Mar 2, 2010 5:26 AM EST up reply actions
very much so
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Ha ha.
Revelation of the Day: Communications professionals have termed a strategy (or tactic or something else, not sure) in their field of expertise “the rolling clusterfuck.” Now that’s professional. Good stuff.
Gotta say
It’s nice to see you posting more often lately.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I appreciate that.
When I’ve got some time, I like to shoot the shit around these parts. Maybe, I can help keep the trolls suppressed a bit.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 1, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
That would be welcome (since they won’t let me weild the anti-troll hammer).
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Mar 2, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
Strikeforce already has FORMER UFC CHAMPION
Kevin Randleman
by yukkurishiteittene on Mar 1, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions
FUN
PRIDE and Strikeforce may not have the most respected matches ever but DAMN the fight are/will be FUN!!!
These are good fights on paper.
Screw records or rankings or whatever…
I just can’t wait to scream at my TV…..or hopefully SCREAM LIVE from the event itself!
Sure if we all jump into a time machine and go back to 2005.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
Brock vs Mir/Carwin and Cain vs dos Santos all on the same card would blow this Strikeforce thing the fuck out of the water.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
by Ubernoober on Mar 1, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
even the canseco v walker fight...
feels like some old PRIDE shit…
who cares…
Strikeforce should just give us crazy fights and make magic happen!
Pretty sure Rogers was working at Sam’s Club in 2005 and Overeem was losing to Nogueira and Shogun at 205.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Was there even a Sam’s club in 05?
I think Rogers was fighting a guys who fought in shirts at that time.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
You have to start somewhere
besides he has since Up’d his comp since those days, i mean at least the guy takes tough fights.
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 1, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’m excited for a ton of heavyweight fights over the next four months, and even into the Summer. Where Fedor fits into all of this will be the key to whether or not what SF is doing at heavyweight is truly relevant. While Rogers/Overeem is an awesome, awesome fight, the non-title fight portion of it (for partly obvious reasons) is a kick in the dick. Not a fan of that at all.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
At the same time, if you make it a title fight, it’s still a kick in the dick because Rogers is coming off a loss.
Not saying it should be
I understand why it’s not, but maybe that means Overeem should be fighting someone else.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Yeah
Not complaining about the fight itself, just that it sucks we still won’t be seeing a SF HW title fight for a while.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Overeem/Rogers makes no sense to me.
Have Rogers fight Overeem (the champ) right after he got KO’d by Fedor?
by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 1, 2010 10:48 PM EST reply actions
Well the natural fight is Fedor
but he won’t fight. Since they have something like 6 HW fighters they need to do something
I still think it'll be an awesome fight.
Just wish it made a little more sense.
I’d like to see Rogers get the KO but then we’d have to see Fedor/Rogers II.
by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 2, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
If CroCop Rothwell gets on that vs card
It would be a close second.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Strikeforce should go for exciting rather than critical acclaim…
what i mean is, if you get too many fights where everything is on the line, we can tend to see some lay and pray and other stalling or no one wants to push it…
if SF can just put on fights like the Lawler/Manhoef that the hardcore fans love or just some crazy freak show like walker v canseco then i’ll grab a seat and snack on some popcorn…
Most people here on BE are big time MMA fans, and with Strikeforce’s roster, most will watch it because it is free despite greatly criticizing the product. Strikeforce just very recently became a national product, and they go by a business model that involves getting ratings and pleasing the networks, not us the niche audience.They need to have fights that’ll garner ratings like a Herschel Walker fight because it will get eyeballs to what is a relatively new national product. However, maybe that fan who just came to watch Walker will watch the rest of the card and become fans of the quality fighters on it. Strikeforce, at this point, should go for more exciting because they need to garner ratings, build an audience for their product and brandname, and please the networks.
Well, obviously there is no comparison between the depth of talent in any Strikeforce division compared to that of the UFC., but luckily for Strikeforce there doesn’t have to be to have just as relevant and meaningful fights in the – whatever you call it -as those in the Octagon. That’s because Strikeforce is running 1/2 the fights over the year as the UFC, which means they only have to 1/2 the number of top HW to have just as many world class bouts as the UFC. Is #1 vs #10, or #7 vs #9, or #12 vs #15 any worse than #3 vs 8, #4 vs #6 or #8 vs #14?
Strikeforcee in April aint so bad either
Hendo vs Shields
Mousasi vs King Mo
Aoki vs Melendez
Suddenly championship belts are meaningless to some.
Miai vs. Anderson cause a shit storm but the Overeem/Rogers non-title gets “who cares” from some . ahaha.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 1, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think many people really care that Overeem has the belt. The real Strikeforce champ gets crowned when Fedor meets Overeem.
What if Rogers knocks out Overeem though?
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I will run naked through the streets.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
In that case.....
Come on Overeem!!!
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Mar 1, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
What if….
Rogers knocks out Overeem and Fedor can’t get his contract issues worked with Strikeforce. He leaves. Strikeforce is fucked.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 1, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Than whenever Fedor fights again. Really the claim to fame in Strikeforce at HW is beating Fedor, not holding a belt.
right but overeem is the HW champ…if he loses in a non title fight to rogers who was just knocked dead by fedor then do you make a rogers/fedor rematch for the belt?
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I think I would schedule a Fedor/Rogers rematch and put Arlovski or Barnett against Overeem with the hopes they would beat him. Now Fedor vs one of those two would be for the belt.
can you wear Fedor around your waist if you win? haha
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 1, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve been to Vladim’s house?
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
by Ubernoober on Mar 1, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
haha. Vladim keeps Fedor in his trophy case hahaha.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 1, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well there’s a bit of a difference between a UFC championship belt and a belt that for all intents and purposes doesn’t even exist.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
So if you hold the UFC belt, it means something compared to holding the Strikeforce belt?
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 1, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously. I don’t think anybody would argue that a UFC belt isn’t a bigger deal than a Strikeforce championship.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
UFC and Strikeforce HW belts are meaningless?
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 1, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
the strikeforce belt is meaningless.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
your absolutly right,these fights are being put on just for the sake of entertainment.they mean nothing.Fedor doesnt want the belt obviously because of the champion clause.M1 wont be happy until they destroy everyone,their already trying to redo his contract.after this card,then what?none of these fighters status in the rankings will change.at least in the ufc wins and losses have a bearing on your future in the game.
Technically all fights are put on for entertainment. And nothings perfect in the UFC either. Winning fights don’t necessarily mean you are going to move up the ladder. Nothing is a perfect meritocracy.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
that’s true as well, but I think we can agree that the UFC at least stays within the confines of rankings when giving title shots…meaning person is in the top 10.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
when is the last time a ufc champ fought in his weight class in a non title fight?this would be like cro cop fighting brock for nothing,no title,just a fight.who does that?not every fight in the ufc has a definite meaning,but all im trying to say is at least they have a plan for most if not all of their big name fighters,they have a ladder they need to climb
No that’s not what I’m saying at all. UFC belt: a big deal. Strikeforce belt: completely meaningless.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
I can’t tell if you’re trolling or not…I think you are though.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 1, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
This has been said by a bunch of people
Overeem won the belt in his first fight for Strikeforce and has never defended it. Its been over two years. Since then the entire division has been revitalized. It is completely different now then it was then. The belt no longer signifies the best in the division. Its a relic from an era that no longer exists.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Mar 1, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
On the nose
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
by judonerd on Mar 2, 2010 9:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Getting Fedor onto this card makes the other two matches have a lot more meaning, because then they can hopefully put some sort of spin onto these fights and get some momentum going.
An ideal situation would be to get Overeem to relinquish the belt and market the AA/Bigfoot and Overeem/Rogers fights as a HW title tournament, or find some way to spin the fights as a tournament or something to prevent them from dropping off the face of the earth after the card for a few months and cause everyone to freak out.
If Fedor isn’t on that card, it’s a bad thing because that probably means the contract issues haven’t been resolved, and it’s really hard for them to get anything going without knowing who is available.
This card should be on CBS, especially if Fedor is involved. That’s where I think they’re missing a great opportunity.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 1, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
You'd think CBS would switch it up
Throw Hendo/Shields on Strikeforce and have this one for themselves
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 1, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
that CBS card doesn’t have any strong draws. You could argue Henderson, but I’m not so sure. People always are drawn to heavyweights, and there are some guys that have some name recognition among these big men.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 1, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hendo vs. Shields could be boring.
Everybody expects Hendo to ko Shields but he can be a boring wrestler.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 1, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know.
I think there’s a decent chance Hendo will KO Shields. I like Hendo, and I think he does go for the finish when it presents itself. It’s just that Shields is not a draw, and Henderson isn’t a really huge name in the U.S., anyway.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 1, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Glad you overlooked the typo of putting Strikeforce instead of Showtime
Also, they could fairly accurately take a cue from Kid Nate and bill this as “THE GREASTEST ASSEMBLY OF HEAVYWEIGHT MIXED MARTIAL ARTISTS IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1”
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 1, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
i think putting hendo on showtime would make him very unhappy. now unhappy hendo is probably easier to deal with than unhappy crazy russians, but the difference between cbs and showtime for these fighters is huge, so i think both on CBS is a much better idea than flip flopping the cards.
I just hope they are smart enough to figure out whatever they are doing with this card before the april card, so they could take the unusual step of using the april card to promote the may card.
Oh yeah
Having both on CBS would be ideal. But will CBS go for that? Granted, late spring isn’t they’re big season for sports, so they just might
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 1, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
their*
i’m on fire today
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 1, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
First off, I’m pretty sure they are actually planning back to back CBS cards. It’s the easiest and cheapest way to garner an audience, by building on one program while it’s still fresh in the publics mind.
Now if Fedor, Overeem, Arlovski, and Lashley (?) are all on the same card I’ll guarentee you it’s on CBS, because financially it would make no sense otherwise.
by John Nash on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks Nate!
Appreciate you quoting my “anti-Pride screed”. Heh.
I rarely agree with you, never because I feel like you’ve argued your position poorly, but because I just don’t see eye to eye with everyone, as I’m sure you yourself are used to. Gracias on that end. I didn’t mean to insult Pride so much as meant to trace the reason for observers and fan reaction to UFC 110: seemingly more concerned for the past than optimistic for the future. Or at least that was my impression.
I actually agree with the headline. Moreover, these guys aren’t relics of the past. Overeem is as dangerous a HW there is, even if I don’t think we’ve seen enough of him against consistent HW competition to truly gauge where he’s at. It’s a hell of a fight card, but it’s difficult not to be disappointed by the fact that Fedor isn’t fighting in the UFC leaving aside the political reasons.
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C'mon
Did you really write that conclusion with a straight face?
Your guys’ opinion of SF changes with the wind… best to stay away from Sherdog articles that state, “sources say”…. seems like it kinda bites you in the arse.
So we should ignore articles that are “sources say” no matter how many of them there are when it is something negative about strikeforce, but we should listen to them and celebrate when they are announcing fights that could lead to potentially really good cards?
Not necessarily,
But its generally good policy to treat all articles with “sources say” as dubious in nature, no?
As to whether, “we should listen to them and celebrate when they are announcing fights that could lead to potentially really good cards”, I think my first statement applies to that also.
no i didn't
I rarely write anything with a straight face. if I ain’t having some fun, I ain’t writing about MMA.
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yeah that's definitely something to be wary of
but Loretta has a track record of backing up her anonymous sourced stories. It didn’t hurt anything that everyone here was hearing those same rumors.
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ha
and you not only read it, but you commented on it.
ch-ching!
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by Kid Nate on Mar 2, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
J/K, just a consistently different p.o.v. from yours i guess
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 2, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
not even close
You see that epic typo in the t-shirt thread? A couple others too
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Rec’d because I hate the Cubs.
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Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
He must get REALLY pissed after reading Luke Thomas’ editorials.
by TLow on Mar 2, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sick of steroid users
I am so sick of these steroids users (Barnett, Antonio Silva, Alistair) getting one big fight after another. They should be banned from MMA. I will not tune in to watch these cheats. Strikeforce needs to stop getting behind these cheats. Of course they are having these cheats fight in a weak commission state. They wouldn’t dare try to have them fight in California because they would get busted. It is sad promoters do this. It is like Top Rank going to Texas for Pacman’s fight because they know Texas doesn’t test for steroids.
Only Barnett and Antonio have tested positive.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 2, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
I hate how people were talking about rewarding a cheat like Vitor with a title shot, or how a cheat like Nate Marquardt was in talks for the same title shot. Or how cheats like Stephan Bonnar or Chris Leben are still in the UFC. Or a cheat like Tim Sylvia got a title after testing positive. Or resigning a cheat like Phil Baroni. Or giving a cheat like Sean Sherk a shot against BJ Penn. And letting a cheat like Hermes Franca keep fighting after popping dirty. Especially putting a cheat like Royce Gracie in the Hall of Fame. The UFC needs to stop getting behind these cheats.
Seriously though… people let most of the above slide while Overeem, who never tested positive, gets reamed on roid talk. Please people, either don’t tolerate any fighter who has tested positive or shut the flying fuck up. I’d prefer the latter.
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by pdl on Mar 2, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
As a really lazy man I love it when someone writes the reply I wanted to write.
by John Nash on Mar 2, 2010 2:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you failed to take into account the ridiculous fanboyism that has to be at the center of every mma discussion.
Right now everyone is going to be anti overeem because he represents Strikeforce, and because the great Vadim has labeled him as a cheater, but as soon as teh fight gets signed, half of the mma populous will change their opinion overnight.
My only beef with what you said is that as far as I know, Overeem has never been tested. That leaves a lot of reason for doubt. He’s had fights scheduled to take place in the US and always ends up having a reason to pull out. It just allows for the discussion to continue. He’s also basically mocked the whole discussion by wearing shirts that say “got spinach” and claiming his mass increase was because of horse meat.
My personal feeling? 80% of athletes take some sort of PED and just know how to cycle properly to piss clean. And PED is anything from a steroid to growth hormone to just regular drugs as far as I’m concerned. If a person who smokes pot everyday can pass a drug test to get hired by a major corporation, there is no doubt that these athletes can do the same with their cycles.
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didn’t he pass a drug test when he fought Paul Buentello?
Everywhere I’m go, all them guys they says to me to kick for to him!
All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
No clue…maybe? That is still 4 years ago which was before his huge muscle mass gain if he was tested.
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he was pretty big back then already
but I’m not sure if they tested him for roids then, I’d assume they did since the fight was in the US
Everywhere I’m go, all them guys they says to me to kick for to him!
All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
You're probably right.
But the easiest way to shut people up is to get tested and test clean. The longer you put off fighting in the US the more people will claim you’re on steroids. I mean shit, even people who test clean still get labeled as steroid users who just know how to cycle.
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I don’t know the reason behind him not fighting in the US, I’m just not prepared to call him a user (of roids) just based on that. he did fight in the US before, twice to my knowledge. once against Shogun (granted he was still a LHW), and once against Buentello. If we are just going to say people know how to cycle than he should know how to cycle and still fight in the US. The bottom line is that if he is in fact a user, and people are aware how to cycle these things off, than there is no reason why he shouldn’t be fighting in the US. Furthermore, if that’s true, we should also be skeptical of every single fighter who fights in the US. If the knowledge on how to cycle off drugs is out there, than no one is in the clear.
Having said that I do wish SF would strip him though, but only on the basis of inactivity.
Everywhere I’m go, all them guys they says to me to kick for to him!
All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
Exactly what I said before. In my opinion 80% of professional athletes take some sort of a PED. Not saying just steroids but growth hormone plus any other sort of drug that isn’t legal. In the case of Overeem, I think there would be less talk of him taking PEDs if he’d just fight somewhere that tests. FEG doesn’t test and the fights in the Netherlands don’t test either. Shit, if he fights in the US and pisses clean, you’ll still have people claiming he just knows how to cycle but it would take away some of that doubt. People like Lesnar and Carwin are just big dudes and they get lumped in with PED users.
Like I said, if a daily pot user can figure out how to pass a drug test to get hired, I’m positive these dudes can figure out how to cycle.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 2, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I can see your point, but like you said:
Shit, if he fights in the US and pisses clean, you’ll still have people claiming he just knows how to cycle but it would take away some of that doubt.
people who cries roids are still going to cry foul, there is nothing he can do to change that. Fighting in the US solely to clean his name seems absurd to me, people are still going to be skeptical of him. He should fight to defend his belt, but not really to show people he can pass a piss test.
Don’t let anger take the place of comprehension
There's been a lot of speculation about Carwin
since back when he was in regional circuits. Lots of locker room talk and rumors. I’m not saying anything about him, but I also won’t throw him in the “always naturally big” bus either.
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And I believe Silva was eventually cleared by the CSAC.
by John Nash on Mar 2, 2010 2:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm,
well, the quote is right in the sense that too many fans romanticize the Pride era. It was not the great golden years/best eva, even though it was great.
And I don’t see how having two heavyweight fights on a card makes it the biggest HW card since Pride HW grand prix? Esp when one is a none contender and the other isn’t even a title fight when it should be. Lame indeed.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
If everything pans out there’s gonna be 3 HW fights- Fedor/Werdum, Overeem/Rogers, Arlovski/Silva. Odds of all 3 happening? Probably not good but that’s the card they’re working on right now.
by ufc4 on Mar 2, 2010 7:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yea, I saw they were working on the Fedor fight too; just hadn’t seen anything saying it was final yet.
Even so; I think the Fedor fight is about the only decent one on the card, although Overeem/Rogers could be a decent fight; putting the champ in a fight he has not risk of losing his belt in is cheap IMO.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
Steroids
I am not a fan of steroid users in the UFC either. I call out all steroid users regardless of the promotion they are in. Can anyone honestly look at Overeem and say he isn’t on steroids? Lets be real. A lot of these fighters aren’t getting caught because they fight in places that don’t test for steroids. Look at where these fighters go to fight after getting busted or even suspicion arrises. Antonio Silva goes to Japan after getting busted. Josh Barnett goes to Japan after getting busted. Pacman goes to Texas where they don’t test for steroids. As a fan I am tired of promoters and athletic commissions insulting my intelligence. I won’t watch any of the cheats.
Can you look at Lesnar and tell me he doesn't use?
Or Phil Davis? Holy shit that guy is jacked. How about Bobby Lashley? Or Cyborg? Or Manhoef? Or TODDUFFEE! Or Carwin? Or a billion other guys who test clean?
Also, use the reply button. It makes conversation easier.
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by pdl on Mar 2, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you. I see a bunch of steroid users in the UFC also. It obvious when you look at Lesnar, Carwin, Cyborg, Manhoef, Duffee, etc. Clearly testing needs to be addressed because a lot of fighters are still getting away with it.
YEAH, why have drug tests, when you can base everything on looks? *rolls eyes * …you’d think these guys never took steroids.
Stop watching MMA then, since you don’t like watching ripped guys cause they take “steroids”, and you don’t like watching cheats… Don’t watch basketball either, lots of ripped guys cheats there. Don’t watch football, or baseball… Stay with chess, you aren’t likely to find a ripped athlete there, so they probably don’t do steroids.
Better yet, Stop trolling.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 2, 2010 5:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Usually when people base steroid accusations on looks it has a lot to do with them gaining unnatural amounts of muscle over a period of time. Mcgwire is a great example of this. Same thing with Overeem, if you compare his older pictures to now it’s impossible not to come to the conclusion that he’s done steroids. Overeem says he got big from eating 8 meals a day, I’m not sure I believe this. If you could gain that much muscle by just eating more then why doesn’t everyone do it?
I’m not saying that every single guy who gets bigger is on steroids, that would be stupid.
I’m not saying that every single guy who gets bigger is on steroids, that would be stupid.
yes, that would be… but this guy said something even worse than that. haha. He was even saying, that those who looked ripped, (even those who didn’t even grow massively) gets labeled as a cheat in his book.
…and also, Overeem gained all those muscle in what, 5 years? I’m surprised he gets more steroid accusations than Mir, who actually grew more in a few months time.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 2, 2010 5:57 AM EST up reply actions
Mir is definitely juicing, there is no question in my mind. As soon as I saw him at the Kongo weigh-in I knew it.
I will hold unfounded steroid accusations,
since he only started a program for lifting weights after the Lesnar fight, and you know, since he indeed passed the drug test.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 2, 2010 6:04 AM EST up reply actions
People beat drug tests all the time. If I was on a jury I don’t know if I would convict him of it, but my opinion is he is on roids. I don’t know if that makes any sense…
Question for the mods
How is this not fighter bashing?
I never said to “base everything on looks”. I also never said all steroid users are ripped. I am an adult with common sense that can look at Overeem and tell he is steroids.
I see a bunch of steroid users in the UFC also. It obvious when you look at Lesnar, Carwin, Cyborg, Manhoef, Duffee, etc. Clearly testing needs to be addressed because a lot of fighters are still getting away with it.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 2, 2010 6:31 AM EST up reply actions
That list is crazy. I don’t think everyone that is all pumped up is on ’roids. Some people are just bigger. You want to make a case for someone like Overeem who had a huge gain in a short time and seems to fight in Japan mostly, then I can at least listen without laughing. But Carwin, Lesnar and some others?? Some of those guys have been that size forever. You see Bobby Lashley and he was a wrestler in school at like 175lbs…a scrawny lookin guy and then he bulked up quick afterward. Lesnar was fighting at HW all the way back in his career. Carwin too is just a big dude that has a physical job even outside of MMA. Some people are just big, my brother is big like that and if he was training as much as them would probably be as ripped, but even with not training like they do he is still a huge guy.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
And dude
You can’t say “Strikeforce needs to stop getting behind these cheats. Of course they are having these cheats fight in a weak commission state.” and then act like you aren’t picking on a promotion.
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by pdl on Mar 2, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
How about we first address the issue with mma fans making accusations when they have no proof at all and no " just looking at him" doesn’t count.
The UFC may have the best up and comers
in Dos Santos, and company but look how they treat them compared to freak shows like Lesnar. They practically handed him the belt when they put him up against an undersized (in comparison) Couture and all he had to do was beat Heath Herring.
Now look at the new talent, JDS has knocked out 4 really good fighters and now he’s fighting another up and comer on VS. On the other hand you have Velasquez who in my mind only has 2 wins over relevant competition in line for a title shot.
I think the message the UFC is sending is to get a title shot you need to be cutting weight to make 265 or you need to have a stupid tattoo over your chest.
true JDS deserves the shot
but he said he doesnt wanna compete with nog since nog was competing for the title now that nog is out however JDS will get his shot pretty soon before the year is out im guessing
and i wouldnt say gonzaga is an up and comer at all maybe 3 years ago he was but certainly not now
and say wht u will against brock but hes destroyed everyone hes ever fought people thought he’d lose to everyone hes fought so far and hes destroyed all of them he even beat the hell outta mir in a loss
Sylvia only really has all of that weight because he’s so fucking tall, Brock is tall but most of his weight seems to be from steroids. Lol jk, but not really.
an understandable claim
but hes never tested positive or been connected with steroids (although u could make the argument anyone connected to the WWE is connected with steroids)
but brock legitametly won the title, was his title shot deserving? not at all but he still beat the champ and then went on to beat the number 1 contender in a dominating fashion. i personally believe JDS has done the most to warrent a title shot over mir carwin or velasquez and id rather not see mir lesnar 3 yet since i wanna see lesnar fight someone else first
I don’t know if he’s on steroids or not, it’s just my opinion. People say he just has good genes but I’m not buying that shit. I don’t care if his parents are the Cyborg couple, you don’t get to 300 lbs of muscle without roids.
I agree that he legitimately won his title, but he was supposed to win. That fight was like putting Rampage up against Kenny Florian or something equally as ridiculous in my mind. I’m totally in favor of a super-heavyweight division for guys who want to come in at like 280 lbs.
But agreed on that last bit, I’m tired of these freak show heavyweight fights. I sort of liked Mir’s game before he decided he was gonna start juicing to beat Brock. I don’t know if Carwin is on anything but he’s just not exciting to me, no technique at all is just silly. You’re not supposed to be able to win fights like that, but somehow he does.
Keep winning you'll get a title shot
Granted I’m not the one missing out on a year of endorsements and contracts from being “the champ”, but I always find the “deserve a title shot” talk a little self important. UFC is a promotion and their Job is to entertain fans on a regular and consistent basis. Given all the variables that go into the fight (PPV sales, injuries, timing) it means that you don’t always get the best matchup from a sporting perspective. Luckily though, the champ isn’t going to be able to dodge someone in the UFC. If a challenger keeps winning he’ll get his title shot in reasonable time.
Look at it this way, Serra got a freak title shot, won, and then lost it soon enough. Fitch wasn’t the UFCs cup of tea but eventually he got the title shot because he kept winning.
at least this guy is consistent.
hahaha.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 2, 2010 5:24 AM EST up reply actions
Am I wrong though? Couture came in at 220. Brock cut to 265 which means he was probably at ~275-285 lbs. That is literally like putting a LHW up against a LW.
Sure, the weight difference is significant, but
you do know comparing the weight difference like that is making a flawed argument right?
a 10 lb (or whatever) difference for the little guys Miguel Torres, is different from a 10lb difference on Frank Mir.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 2, 2010 5:53 AM EST up reply actions
a 60 pound weight difference for guys weighing in at 135, like Torres, is far more significant than a 60 pound weight difference for those weighing 230+… 60 lbs over torres, means his opponent is 44% heavier, while a 60 advantage over a 230 pounder means he’s only 26% heavier.
You can’t just add/subtract the weight difference, and make that argument.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 2, 2010 6:02 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, you’re right. But still. 60 pounds! Maybe I can still win this argument if I keep saying 60 pounds…
by Biizz on Mar 2, 2010 6:05 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Most stacked HW's since Pride is akin to saying "Gwen Stafini is more stacked than Kiera Knightly"
It just doesn’t matter for 3 simple reasons.
1) the UFC spreads out its Heavyweights because they can often be better draws for PPV’s.
2) The UFC has 4 other divisions with real depth so they don’t need to put all their eggs in one basket for one show
3) Werdum being #10 is a joke… put him where he really belongs and this is Fedor, a juicehead and a bunch of 2nd tiers with only Rogers likely having a career of real value in 5 years (assumes Fedor retires and Overeem disappears for 2 more years after he quickly starts to deflate like a ‘Diverticulitis Brock’ from a lack of juice.). A comparable UFC card would be Brock /Fedor vs. Kongo/Werdum ( a completely one-dimensional fighter with no chance), CroCop/Arvloski vs. Big Country/Big Foot, and Nogueira/Overeem (both unfortunately overrated at this point) vs. Dos Santos/Rogers (except DS is way better than Rogers ).
Now would this be the most stacked HW card since Pride? My answer.. Big F’n Deal! Come up with an analogy that means something!
i like having ur UFC and SF counterparts
if they would fight each other thatd be something id really pay to see
brock vs fedor
kongo vs werdum
cro cop vs arlovski
nelson vs silva
nog vs overeem
JDS vs rogers
that would be the most stacked heavyweight card in history and a bunch of real balanced fights that could go either waay
Missing UFC fighters
What you could not find fights for Mir, Carwin, GG or Berry ?
Mir-Lashley, there’s a bloodbath for you.
by ufc4 on Mar 2, 2010 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Could Strikeforce in May Be the Most Packed Heavyweight Card Since PRIDE With Fedor Emelianenko, Alistair Overeem and a Former UFC Champ, Andrei Arlovski?
Sure, problem is most of those guys are known for losing.
The difference between SF and UFC is that the UFC could easily out stack a card with HWs…and (very importantly) so it again in a month.
We’re ALREADY sick of seeing the SAME people recycled every card from the Affliction days.
Yeah, I really got sick of seeing the same guys on both of those cards, how redundant.
by ufc4 on Mar 2, 2010 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The only problem I see is...
This rumored card does not legitimize SF’s promotion or titles..
It’s nothing more than a “fight show”.. Sure it’s great for the shortest of attention spanned individuals looking for a fight to watch.. But how does this match making legitimize the promotion and it’s titles?
The champion hasn’t fought in almost 2 full years to defend his title. Then he gets a chance to fight and the title is on hold ? Then he is fighting a guy that is coming off a KO loss ? You have the arguably best HW fighter ever and consensus # 1 HW in MMA and he is not fighting for your title to legitimize your promotion ? If Overeem doesn’t want to defend his title, or Fedor doesn’t want to fight him for what ever reason, then what was the entire point of having either of them in your promotion ?
It makes SF as a whole look second rate in comparison. Walker is nothing more than a publicity stunt and the nostalgia wore off after his last fight. He is no Kimbo Slice .. He has no background to self promote his brand with. The viral marketing for Kimbo was in place long before he stepped into a cage for any promotion. The leg work was done.. All he had to do was show up and people would watch. Walker is old and has nothing..
I’m all for putting on fights that fans want to see.. I just think that the majority of fans would rather see substance over sauce…
8-29-09
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It would be great
if they all fought on the same card but, we wouldn’t see another HW fight for a year.
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