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Don't Rush Ryan Bader


From The 3rd String Safety:

We’ve been talking a lot about MMA prospects lately and I think its time we make a certain distinction. Guys like Gian Villante, and Ricardo Romero we consider prospects because they are young, relatively new to MMA and aren’t signed by a major organization.

There seems to be a trend right now where people want to rush prospects along. I’m guilty of this. I pine for Romero and Villante to be in the UFC when in truth there’s no harm to them continuing to gain experience fighting in Ring Of Combat.

The rushing of prospects also happens in the UFC. Right now people are clamoring for Ryan Bader to start fighting top ten caliber opponents.  Even though Bader is no longer a UFC rookie, it doesn’t mean he isn’t a prospect and it doesn’t mean that he needs to automatically face elite competition.

Let’s compare Bader to other elite prospects. A guy like Cain Velasquez has answered every single question and he’s improved markedly from fight to fight. We saw his chin tested against Kongo, we saw him out box and KO a great boxer with an iron jaw in ‘Nog. We saw him grow, improve his weak spots.  The same hasn’t happened with Bader.  Against Eric Schafer we learned that Bader really needed to improve his boxing and cardio. Against Jardine we learned Bader really needed to improve his boxing and cardio.

The scouting report on Bader is the same fight to fight. He comes out like a house of fire, with explosive shots in round 1 and after that he tails off.  He looks to land a power overhand right and not much else. The Jardine fight played out the same way. He gassed after round 1 (his shots clearly lacked explosiveness in rounds 2 and 3), lost round 2 and KO’d Jardine in the 3rd.  Now it was a good victory, don’t get me wrong, but he didn’t really out-strike Jardine.  He KO’d Jardine with a left hook and he now he joins a long list of fighters to figure out Jardine’s weakness.

Bader is still a wrestler learning how to box and he has obvious power, with time his boxing should improve.  What’s worrisome is his cardio.  BJ Penn has talked about "not being that IV guy" during weigh-ins and Bader is the poster boy for being "that IV guy."  Is it weight cutting that zaps Baders gas tank? Is it a poor pre-fight training camp that hinders his cardio?

The obvious fight that people want is Bader Vs. the winner of Brandon Vera and Jon Jones. If Vera wins he’s the perfect opponent for Bader, a solid technical striker with great take-down defense. However, if Jones wins that matchup should be avoided at all costs. After the destruction of Matt Hammil it’s easy to speculate Jones would cut through Bader like a hot knife through butter. Why kill one prospect to push ahead another? Couldn’t this easily be avoided?

The other question is if Jones wins in impressive fashion is Bader even a step up in competition for Jones?

I’d rather see Bader fight someone like Vladimir Matyushenko, should he get through Elliot Marshall. It would be another small step up for Bader and it would give him more ring time to get his boxing and cardio in line.

Velasquez was a wrestler who became a very well rounded mixed martial artist.  Ryan Bader is a wrestler who is fighting in mixed martial arts.  That’s why Cain Velasquez is ready for a title shot and Ryan Bader is very far off.

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The way I see it – if Jardine had his chin fixed, he’d be a tough bastard for anyone in the top 10. And Bader had him on points for two rounds, then KO’d him. I’m actually interested to see what he can do against someone like Franklin or Randy. But I’ll take Bones/Vera as well.

by ununkvadrium on Mar 1, 2010 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

Jardine’s chin isn’t the problem as much as his reluctance to protect it. The guy just isn’t very good at kickboxing. Sure, his low kicks are ok, but defensively he is atrocious, his timing sucks, and he can’t put his shots together. Bader has a lot to work on, but he was still beating Jardine to the punch over and over.

by smoogy2 on Mar 1, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Bader is strong

if he has all these weaknesses and still is undefeated, its impressive.

One thing I’ve learned watching GSP is a fighter growth is equal to the growth of his opponents. I actually think Bader looked much better against Jardine than he did against Schaefer. But your points are well taken, but I’m not convinced Arizona Combat Sports is the best place to become an elite fighter.

I think Bader and Jones will be brought along parallel to each other (think JuanMa and Gamboa in boxing). Here is what I like to see. First off, we saw that Jardine and Vera are similar – there fight was very close.

If Jones wins . . .
Bader vs. Forrest/Nog loser
Jones vs. Thiago Silva

by mason_beer on Mar 1, 2010 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

great analogy with Lopez and Gamboa

looking forward to their eventual money-maker fight, with the winner going up to 130 afterwards.

I totally agree with you about ACS. I’d like to see Bader, Askren and Simpson get out of there, Askren more so than all of them. It just seems like fighters improve at a snail’s pace there, if at all (see: Dolloway, CB)

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 1, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Gamboa is a beast..

He’s so quick.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Mar 2, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Holy shit how do you know Gian? Your right though he is an absolute beast and i was just at his last fight when he won the R.O..C heavyweight title from the guy they brought in from aka. Give him 2 or 3 more fights and hes ready for UFC or SF. I train with alot of guys that train with him and they say he is an absolute animal on the mats and he hits like a brick house in sparring!
I agree with all you said on Bader too except him fighting Vladimir Matyushenko. IMO thats a bad matchup for him and that fight is really a coin flip!

by MMAruinedME on Mar 1, 2010 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

We Live on Long Island...

Where Gian is from. Also, the person who wrote this trained under Chris Schlesinger, who now trains with Gian at Bellmore Kickboxing Academy.

by 3rdstringsafety on Mar 2, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno 3rd string Oh by the way I answered your question before (mmacaf.com) What is the harm in throwing fighters to the wolves? I always felt thats how you learn best. Shit if one part of ur game is weak and u get slaughtered ur going to go home and train that one aspect until its ur strength.

I think being thrown to the wolves brings the best out of fighters and the ones who fail were meant to fail. Certainly you have to bring them along to a certain extent but Bader just beat JArdine he should keep moving up until knocked down

by p123 on Mar 2, 2010 12:31 AM EST reply actions  

It's more of a mental thing...

Sometimes there are fights that ruin fighters. You don’t want to start throwing guys in there against top competition for them to get buried. ALso, we’ve seen in the UFC before where “top prospects” lose a fight or two and then disappear. Not the best idea.

Bader has a chance to be something special, but bringing him along to fast will leave him the Jardine class forever.

Also, that site is showing up as parked right now? Is there a hyphen or something?

by 3rdstringsafety on Mar 2, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw a pic of Bader next to Cain, and Bader looked bigger. He must cut a lot of weight.

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Mar 2, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

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