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Help My MMA Career Has Fallen and I Can't Get Up: The Travails of Josh Barnett and Tim Sylvia

Photo by Scott Peterson via MMA Weekly

Michael David Smith sums up the latest on Josh Barnett:

After reports surfaced that Barnett had agreed to fight for Dream but that two potential opponents -- Tim Sylvia and Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva -- had turned down the chance to fight him,Barnett acknowledged the rumor on Twitter. He added that he doesn't know who his next opponent will be, but said, "I do want to fight." 

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Plenty of big names -- including Alistair Overeem, Andrei Arlovski and even Fedor Emelianenko -- have been mentioned as possible opponents for Barnett in Japan, but I'd urge fans of Japanese MMA not to get their hopes up for that kind of fight. More likely Barnett will take on someone he should beat easily, and fans who want to see Barnett taking on relevant opponents will have to wait.

And MDS's MMA Fighting teammate Mike Chiappetta reports that World's Strongest Man Mariusz Pudzianowski has confirmed that he'll be making his second pro MMA appearance in the Poland-based KSW promotion on May 7. What does this have to do with Tim Sylvia?

Over the weekend, The Boston Herald reported that Pudzianowski-Sylvia would headline an April 23 show in Worcester, Mass., but that seems unlikely with Pudzianowski contractually bound to a show in Poland just two weeks later.   

Both Barnett and Sylvia remain top flight heavyweights. The USAT/SBN Consensus MMA Rankings have them ranked at #12 and #24 respectively. Both are likely ranked beneath their abilities -- Barnett is being punished for failing his third drug test last year and Sylvia is coming off a loss in a freakshow fight to 50-something 48-year-old  boxer Ray Mercer.

Barnett's problems finding a credible opponent in DREAM are really telling. He's very likely to beat both Sylvia and Antonio Silva, and I'd give him an excellent chance of beating Alistair Overeem too. But his name is so tarnished that there's no upside to taking a loss to him and a win over Barnett doesn't have 1/4 the value it  had this time last year.

DREAM is starved for top-notch heavyweights so I expect to see Barnett in a squash match with a chump. 

For Sylvia's part, his management bears a great deal of the responsibility, but honestly there's not a lot anyone could do with his career. He's deeply unpopular with fans after his string of painfully tedious decision wins in his last UFC title run and taking a string of losses to Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Fedor Emelianenko and Ray Mercer has really got his reputation in the shitter. 

Frankly, Sylvia looked like a bum against Mercer. He went into that fight grossly over-weight, clearly under-trained and with a stupid game plan and got what he deserved. Mercer showed what happened when you try to box with a former heavyweight champion of the world. And Sylvia's poor conditioning and performance showed a lack of self-respect and booking the fight in the first place showed a lack of respect for the fans and the sport.

Sylvia's had one low-profile tune up fight since then, and apparently beating Wes Sims again is just the ticket for his ailing career. Frankly, I think Sylvia would have a lot to gain by stepping in against Josh Barnett. Even if he is likely to lose, being on a major stage against a major opponent will do far more for his career than pummeling Wes Sims in the most remote corner of Canada.

But the situations of both men show how little room for error there is for even the top MMA fighters. If you are on the outs with the UFC, it's awfully hard for an (expensive) veteran to get work.

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Monte Cox...

… and Tim Sylvia happened to that.

by asa on Mar 1, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He went into that fight grossly underweight

I’m guessing you meant overweight?

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by midwestbred on Mar 1, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

you are correct

fixed

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by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey nate what is a ban worthy offence here on the elbow? And if a mod bans some one do they tell them?

by Rayce. on Mar 1, 2010 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Make a distasteful comment about someone’s wife. That’ll definitely get you booted. :)

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by pud333 on Mar 1, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Here are the laws of Bloody Elbow

1) No name calling, no ethic or sexual slurs — procedure, hide comments, issues one warning then ban. This especially applies to discussions of fighters — ie its “fighter bashing”

2) no threats — procedure immediate ban, hide comments

3) discussing politics, religion — procedure warn, hide comments. If it is directly relevant to the post at hand, let people have their say in one comment but hide their comments if they continue.

4) Insulting the staff of BloodyElbow.

If you are banned you should get a note from the banning staffer when you try to log back in.

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by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

"1) No name calling, "

logic scoffs at your rules.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Mar 1, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I tried to comment on my yahoo name and it said I wasn’t allowed to. Never got warned or anything ,plus all my comments are up. I Never did any of those things you mentioned. All well I will just use this name.

by Rayce. on Mar 1, 2010 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

that happened to me before, I got mysteriously banned so I wrote asking why it happened and then all was forgiven I guess.

by SilverNBlackZach! on Mar 1, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking at this list, I feel for you guys. 90% of your time must be spent patrolling the comments.

On a related note, why haven’t I been banned yet?

by John Nash on Mar 1, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Grossly underweight?

His gut disagrees. Speaking of which, anyone else think Tim looks like a cross between Jamie Varner and the Michelin Man in this picture?

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.

by lowellthehammer on Mar 1, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Timmay has p4p the grossest body hair in the sport.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 1, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

worse than Arlovski?

"If I told you I was good, you would think I am boasting. If I told you I was not good, you would know I am lying" Bruce Lee

by DrGoodspd on Mar 1, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Arlovski’s been getting the wax treatment lately. Yeah, I’ve noticed.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 1, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he was shaving instead of waxing?

by asa on Mar 1, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He looks exactly like Jamie Varner in this photo, spooky

by Jonnycaz2.0 on Mar 1, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Dream would be a perfect place for Tim to resurrect his career.

But Barnett might prove to be too big of a challenge right off of the bat.

by Razreshat on Mar 1, 2010 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Barnett f’d himself pretty bad. And as for Tim, well, looks like dude is going to have to get a day job. The loss to Mercer coupled with the intense fan dislike for him really hurts him, and I don’t really forsee how he can dig himself out of this. For his sake, I hope Tim saved his pennies while he was with the UFC.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Mar 1, 2010 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

He gets himself out of it by stringing together multiple wins over credible opponents. Success is a great cure for what ails him.

by Worldisart on Mar 1, 2010 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I would add decisive wins as well. He’s gotta start finishing credit opponents. That’ll go a long way.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Mar 1, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

credit = credible.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Mar 1, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Sylvia's career looks really salvagable

He looked terrible against Mercer, and shouldn’t have even been in that fight, but he still probably has the skills of a top ten heavyweight. If he takes these two quick paydays in Sims and Pudz and doesn’t get Mercered more fights should start to open up for him whether in Strikeforce or in Dream. I can’t imagine Japanese fans have a fierce disliking of him.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 1, 2010 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Tim’s 33. He’s got to get his head on straight. Fighting in stupid fights once every six months will do nothing for him, and his career will slip away, and his chances at making money, too.

by TLow on Mar 1, 2010 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting article. I do not feel however, that Barnett and certainly not Sylvia are ranked beneath their abilities. I find that for a man like Barnett to use steroids and not to be a physical specimen is more than likely using them to overcome increasing or nagging injuries or simply as a means to keep up with the game. Sylvia has never been that impressive of a fighter to me and most MMA fans I know.

These fighters have so much bad juju going for them that im inclined to think that their abilities (or lack of) has gotten them where they are today.

by Jonnycaz2.0 on Mar 1, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

In the case of Tim,

I think he is as highly ranked as he is because the Heavy Weight division has largely lagged behind the rest of MMA in terms of development. HW is now catching up with more athletic and more talented individuals competing as that weight class and a guy like Tim probably won’t keep up talent wise.

by Razreshat on Mar 1, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That may be the case, but his record really speaks for itself. 2 wins over Arlovski, a win over Ricco, Rothwell, Vera, and Monson. He’s only lost to the top top fighters and Mercer obviously. He’s better than the 24th heavyweight in the world.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 1, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the really unfortunate things is that it’s just easy to dislike Tim and people confuse him not being likeable with him being a bad fighter.

by Worldisart on Mar 1, 2010 2:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nah not really

IMO he’s disliked because of his fighting style. 0 foot work, the guy shuffles and slides around the cage like a drunken fighter. Nobody but Coutures go-go gadget arm can hit him which he uses exhaustively to his advantage. His boxing is…..whatever, and any take down attempt ends with him just laying on the guy as he pulls out the decision.

My decision is not based on how likable he is as a person. I like him and his camp

by Jonnycaz2.0 on Mar 1, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Coutures go-go gadget arm can hit him

Fortunately he let Fedor and Ray Mercer borrow it.

by TLow on Mar 1, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally

I was typing with the “days before the downward slide” in mind though

by Jonnycaz2.0 on Mar 1, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Barnett is definitely ranked below his abilities. Steroids aside, the man is one of the most talented HW’s on the ground and has very respectable striking to go along with it. Yes, he failed steroid tests but I don’t think that factors into the abilities the guy has in the cage. Someone can pump themselves with loads of garbage but that doesn’t mean they’ll be able to fight when the time comes.

"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni

by midwestbred on Mar 1, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

....

ped’s don’t matter in a combat sport.

lol doesn’t begin to express this reply.

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by Cory Braiterman on Mar 1, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Never said they don’t matter, of course they do. But if you’re talking strictly abilities I think Barnett is way up there. Learn to read and not be a douche.

"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni

by midwestbred on Mar 1, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Barnett's ranking is actually on the money

as far as where he stands today. Look at the last three years of his career and it is not exactly stellar. Wins over Monson and Yvel are not the makings of a top ten ranking.

I do think his skills are better than that, but he would need to be facing more ranked fighters.

by Lynchman on Mar 1, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt, I do wish he had some tougher comp the past few years.

"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni

by midwestbred on Mar 1, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

gross?

yes.

underweight?

for a hippo.

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by Cory Braiterman on Mar 1, 2010 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

I think the best opponent for Sylvia is a decent kickboxer. That way, he won’t have to worry about any grappling, but couldn’t lazily jab his way to a decision win. He’d either have to improve his striking & movement to win or that’s the total end of his relevancy.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Mark Hunt

They’re both way out of shape, neither of them appear to care about their careers anymore, their relevant wins are forever ago. Book it, because who really cares anyways, right?

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.

by lowellthehammer on Mar 1, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I like that fight. Hunto has been awful recently, but he always seems to do well when matched up with guys who refuse to go to the ground (Wand, Mirko).

However, the fight I want to see is one that has been brewing for the better part of five years … Sylvia versus Jerome Le Banner. JLB was all fired up about fighting Timmay back in the day.

by Steve4192 on Mar 1, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Le Banner is done at the top levels of K-1 but I still think he would wreck Tim.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 1, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Watch...

he’z gonna take the fight w/ Marius Pudz and get clobbered…

"If I told you I was good, you would think I am boasting. If I told you I was not good, you would know I am lying" Bruce Lee

by DrGoodspd on Mar 1, 2010 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

As it stands now

KSW and Pudzian seem to be in a middle of a M-1/Strikeforce-esque tug-of-war with both sides understanding the contract in different ways.

I still wouldn’t hold my breath for the Syliva fight. In my opinion it’s a gigantic risk for both Polish parties.

by greco-roman airlines on Mar 1, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It's amazing how much my opinion of Monte Cox as an intelligent businessman has declined over the past couple years.

I used to think that guy had it all figured out. Look at Robbie. Look at Tim. Shit is ridiculous.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 1, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

I will say this about Sylvia

He got waaay more out of his career than Barnett did, if you ask me.

by mason_beer on Mar 1, 2010 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

That's funny

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by ANance on Mar 1, 2010 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

put my money on “the baby-fat assassin”.

by who me on Mar 1, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

it's sad really

no reason these guys shouldn’t be fighting, respectively.

by MACH on Mar 1, 2010 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

the fight in the first place showed a lack of respect for the fans and the sport. [/quote]

my thoughts exactly.

by brooksto on Mar 1, 2010 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

Don't like Barnett or Sylvia

 Barnett and Sylvia should be banned from MMA. They are both cheats! Monte Cox is doing a horrible job managing Sylvia. Monte did well (agreed to whatever the UFC wanted) when the UFC was pushing the whitebread fighters…those days are long gone now…so now Monte is left doing freak shows and being another scumbag manager.

by MMAfan4242 on Mar 2, 2010 12:26 AM EST reply actions  

Honestly both guys brought it onto themselves, Barnett got busted 3 times for roids that is unforgivable as far as i’m concerned. And Big Tim chased fool’s gold when he left/was released out of the UFC well from now on he’s the perfect example to future fighters who do the same.

by Raker on Mar 2, 2010 1:53 AM EST reply actions  

 Sylvia is a good example of what not to do with your career. Barnett can stay in the steroid league, I could care less about seeing him fight. I don’t tune in for “names”. I watch quality fighters who don’t juice. I love the sport of MMA but there is A LOT that needs to be cleaned up still.

by MMAfan4242 on Mar 2, 2010 2:48 AM EST reply actions  

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