Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Chris Lytle Taps Out Brian Foster With a Kneebar at UFC 110
Chris Lytle is getting some acclaim today for being the "most exciting fighter in UFC history" based on his holding the record for Fight Night awards from the promotion: 4 Fight of the Night bonuses, 2 Submission of the Night bonuses, 1 Knockout of the Night bonus. He won his second Sub of the Night bonus at UFC 110 for his knee bar win over Brian Foster.
It was a thing of beauty too. After Foster outpointed him standing in the first 90 seconds and added a body slam for good measure, Lytle made the most of the second standing clinch of the fight by rolling into a knee bar when Foster went for back control standing.
Foster showed a lot of promise in the fight, outstriking Lytle on the feet, throwing crisp punches and many nice kicks. His wrestling was also top notch. He just needs to work on his submission defense a bit more. Should be a good learning experience for the young fighter. For Lytle it's another bonus.
Here's a definition of the knee bar from Wikipedia:
A kneebar (technically known as a straight legbar) is a leglock which hyperextends the knee. The basic kneebar is performed similarly to an armbar by holding the opponent's leg in between the legs and arms so the opponent's kneecappoints towards the body. By pushing the hips forward, the opponent's leg is straightened, and further leveraging hyperextends the knee. A variation of the kneebar is done similarly, but instead of holding the leg with the hands, the opponent's foot is pushed behind one armpit. By pushing the shoulder backwards and pushing the hips forward, a greater amount of force is applied to the knee, and the lock becomes much more difficult to escape.
Let's look at a gif, some expert opinion from Grapplearts and a training video in the full entry.
Gif by Smoogy.
On the right we see the whole move in one long gif. The fighters start out with Foster trying to get back control over a standing Lytle. He has both of arms wrapped around Lytle's waist and his hands are locked together. Lytle is initially using a whizzer to counter -- ie his left arm is hooked under Foster's right armpit. This is a standard wrestling position and it creates a lot of opportunities in MMA for the one getting back control, but it also leaves you vulnerable to some attacks that you don't have to worry about in amateur wrestling, like the rolling knee bar.
Note how Lytle's left leg is between Foster's two legs. This is the positioning that creates the opportunity for Lytle's attack. Lytle first gives up the whizzer and in one motion swings his left arm out from under Foster's armpit and down between his legs to grab the back of Foster's right leg. Then he rolls forward, pulling Foster down with him.
Stephan Kesting from Grapplearts has a really nice column on fixing common knee bar mistakes:
To be in the correct body position for the kneebar, your body should be positioned with a 90 degree bend in the knees and a 90 degree bend in the hips. This is your ‘power position': from here you have much more ability to arch backwards while applying the kneebar, as well as being able to use the power of your hips. This is basically the same position you would need to be in if you wanted to bridge off a mounted opponent. In this position you will be able to bring the full force of your body to bear against his knee joint.
Note that Lytle gets a really nice 90 degree angle with his thighs as illustrated in this pic of Kesting on the left.
More from Kesting:
Foot and leg control is required to prevent your opponent's leg from rotating or escaping into a safe position. In order to attack a limb you usually need to control it first. Too often one sees a kneebar attack where the defender manages to escape the lock due to insufficient foot and leg control.
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The two most basic ways to position your legs are: 1) with your ankles crossed on his butt, and 2) with your legs triangled to the outside of his leg. Pinching the legs together as hard as you can is very important: this limits his movement and makes the lock come on faster.
Note that Lytle uses the crossed ankles method of leg positioning. I'd be interested in hearing from some grapplers as to how Foster almost escaped and what mistakes he made that allowed Lytle to lock in the knee bar.
More from Kesting:
Your arms should hold his foot close to your body. If you are holding his leg at arms length from you then you don't have as much control over his foot. Furthermore you will be using more arm power instead of legs and back power to apply pressure. Generally speaking, you should hug his leg to your chest when applying the kneebar, but placing his leg under your armpit is also a good control position.
Lytle definitely got that part right. Foster's foot is a little low down on his chest rather than being up high like an ideal knee bar. That, I think has to do with the difficulty Foster gave Lytle in securing the hold.
Below is a video from Danny Ives a BJJ coach Luke Thomas calls the "best BJJ coach" I've ever had:
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Tough to pull off
But hard to escape — Shogun vs Randleman a prime example
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
And Shogun had to transition
from toehold to heel hook to kneebar to finally get the tap. Randleman really should have tapped sooner. You could seen the damage being done just by the grimace on his face during that whole sequence…really nasty.
Chris Lytle
Yes he is a hybrid wrestler.
by meyer1244 on Mar 1, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
re: escaping
Looks like Lytle left too much space between his legs the first time, which is how Foster escaped that one. Your legs have to be tightly locked on the opponent’s legs before the roll is complete. Kesting’s explanation said it all, really.
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RE:escaping
When he got his knee free he turns to his left to try and break free. Im not sure but I think he should off dropped his wieght then sucked his ankle back underneath him and worked to free it after that.. He turns away from lytle and lytle uses this to secure his knee/ankle and after that clamps down and its over.
Can We get A Judo Chop For The Arm-In Guillotine?
I train BJJ and i have experienced different variations on it, but Joe Rogan Mentioned during the Wandy-Bisping fight that Wandy was doing it incorrectly. I mean he was screaming that shit really. I have been tapped by someone extending themselves in that position, i have seen guys in the MMA tap from it and Bisping looked like he was gonna pass out from it.
Im sure there is more than the one way Rogan says it has to be finished.
The problem with that one is that all the technique is hidden from view. You learn that one by sense of touch, usually with a teacher performing it on you to demo where the pressure is.
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
by judonerd on Mar 1, 2010 4:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ive seen it
We trained it. As in The Professor shows the class and we practice.
Nice Judo Chop!
Although I’m not quite sure what an article entitled "What’s so great about Brock Lesnar? " has anything to do with why Chris Lytle is considered one of the most exciting fighters in UFC history?
UFC 110 was the greatest live event I have ever attended. What a crowd!
Holy Shit!
Didn’t know there was a MMA gym right off of Route 2, gonna have to check this out when i come home this summer.
Knee bar in action....
Here’s a knee bar attack from the turtle in competition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYRmAftSpE
Nice man
That’s my buddy JonV finishing that knee bar. I posted a link to that video on here a while back when Kid Nate and I got into a bit of an argument about what types of subs wrestlers leave themselves vulnerable to. I used that as evidence. He said it wasn’t applicable because it wasn’t an MMA fight. What do you think Nate, now that Lytle used it in an MMA fight against a wrestler?
by mictlantechutli on Mar 1, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're confused
it must’ve been me saying that wrestlers were vulnerable to this move.
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seriously, I'd love to see a link to this
flagrant stupidity on my part — perhaps I had a valid point in there somewhere. was it in one of my “how wrestlers lose in MMA” posts?
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Ha! Not a big deal man, I’m just giving you a hard time. It was in one of your “how wrestlers…” posts. I’ll try to find you a link to it.
by mictlantechutli on Mar 1, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
that fight has so far daunted me
the whole thing was a really beautiful display, I haven’t zeroed in on one technique to focus on. Sot’s use of the rubber guard perhaps?
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Yes please, I would love to see that.
Sot/Stevenson and Diaz/Sanchez are two of my favorite ground fights.
Lytle’s really skilled. I kind of hate when he does go for Fight of the Night and abandon his ground game altogether. This was a really slick move.
yeah that was some sweet stuff
i think he had already realized that if he screwed around with Foster he would be getting KTFO’d
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