Quote of the Day: Ed Soares Says "Chael Sonnen Should Fight Demian Maia First"
by Nick Thomas on Feb 8, 2010 9:55 PM EST
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"We are fine if this is what the UFC wants, but if you look at this logistically, Sonnen should fight Demian Maia first. Demian beat him up easily, by submission, so why not make them fight first, to determine who gets a shot at the title?"-- Ed Soares, Anderson Silva's manager doesn't necessarily agree that Sonnen should fight the winner of Silva and Belfort.
"There's not much to say about that (Sonnen referring to himself as the "alpha male"). It's funny, but really, who actually listens to what Chael Sonnen has to say? The only time people listen is when he talks about Anderson. Who is he, really? If you walk down the street and you mention his name, does anyone really know who this guy is? Likely not, but if you mention Anderson Silva, people know the name."
... "Chael's also said a few things about Anderson's choice of clothes and that he wears earrings, didn't he? Sounds to us like he may have a crush on Anderson."
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Damn, Anderson IS afraid of crying in public due to Chael’s verbal beatdown!
"Just push the ice outside the octagon so Arianny can fall on her head!" - Joe Rogan
by MostDiabolicalHater on Feb 8, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions
I am now convinced
that Ed Soarses see’s what the few unbiased fans are seeing. That Sonnen has the recipe to defeat his fighter. Quit protesting fights Soarses! You are making Andy look like a damn coward!
yeah because one letter makes THAT much difference
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by Excelsior! on Feb 8, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sonnen was on a 3 fight losing streak in the UFC
before he beat miller….and all of them were submissions….
sub by maia
sub by horn
sub by sobral
and this is your number 1 contender? because he suddenly hes 3-3 in the ufc?
since when does going 3-3 in the ufc make you a number 1 contender?
maia is 6-1 in the ufc AND HE BEAT SONNEN
sonnen is 3-3 in the ufc AND HE GOT BEAT BY MAIA
why is this still a conversation??
by PHISH NATION on Feb 9, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Sonnen beat
a two top 3 middleweights in a row in Okami and Nate. Trial by fire. He’s earned it.
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For fuck’s sakes stop fucking vetoing the fucking title shots. FUCK.
Keep firing Assholes!
I don't know what I'm talking aboot.
by Ubernoober on Feb 8, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions 19 recs
Yeah, like when he refused to fight Patrick Cote. Or Thales Leites. Or Vitor Belfort for that matter. For a guy who turns down title shots by “unworthy” challengers, he really does give a lot of shots to unworthy challengers.
Maybe Ed Soares just gives his opinion, much like we on message boards do, except a LOT more people care what he has to say.
by madiq on Feb 8, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
shut up ed.
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by thisredengine on Feb 8, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I diagree
I think way more people care about what I have to say than Ed Soares.
"Just push the ice outside the octagon so Arianny can fall on her head!" - Joe Rogan
by MostDiabolicalHater on Feb 8, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I rec’d just to make it 5 in a row
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by WeaponElDeem on Feb 9, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Much like
Chael does too.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
by dedstrk316 on Feb 8, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right on. Anderson fights more often than any other title holder, and doesn’t pick opponents. But his manager isn’t allowed to have an opinion about anything, because here at Bloody Elbow, we’re all about the facts, just like our good buddy Chael;)
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 8, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It could be opinion, up to the point where he/Silva use their influence to either make or un-make a fight. It can get disappointing to watch a fighter or their manager make excuses as to who they don’t want to fight. Fight who the UFC puts in front of you.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
“We are fine if this is what the UFC wants”
Sounds pretty clear to me.
by HarmlessNinja on Feb 9, 2010 4:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said, whether he “says” it’s fine or not right now, I have no problem with hearing his opinion. When it comes time to book a fight and suddenly things aren’t “fine” or it’s more than just an opinion. That is when I said it’s disappointing.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
SHUT THE FUCK UP ED!
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by thisredengine on Feb 8, 2010 6:48 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Ed Soares is getting dangerously close to Jerry Millen territory I fear.
"Just push the ice outside the octagon so Arianny can fall on her head!" - Joe Rogan
by MostDiabolicalHater on Feb 8, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
No YOU’RE insane!
"Just push the ice outside the octagon so Arianny can fall on her head!" - Joe Rogan
by MostDiabolicalHater on Feb 9, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ed Soares needs to shut up. If he wants to call the shots on how a promotion should be run then he needs to start his own. Chael is not the best match up for Anderson and he knows it.
by exsanguinator on Feb 8, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
^ what he said
Champions aren't made in gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them -- a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have to have the skill and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill.
-Muhammed Ali
Sonnen stands ZERO chance
vs Anderson. Ed is right, he lost to Maia, why should he get the shot first?
Who destroyed him. LOGIC CIRCLE!
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
Exactly. Its a logic circle, so based soley on who’s beat who, none of them deserves the shot more than the other.
Stylistically, well thats a different game:
Nate is primarily a striker, and still outclassed by Anderson
Chael is primarily a wrestler, the one skillset that has complicated Anderson’s fights.
Demian is primarily bjj, and probably a good bit technically better than Anderson.
If we look at how each lost though, that tells us something too:
Demian lost due to striking and poor chin, Anderson’s bread and butter and strongest skillset.
Chael lost due to BJJ, a sort of murky skillset of Anderson from our pov, but one which is undoubtedly strong.
Nate lost due to wrestling, not one of Anderson’s stronger skillsets.
While I’d prefer to see Nate fight Silva again, Chael probably matches up better.
by Cocytus on Feb 8, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
However, one break in the Logic Circle is...
that Nate has fought Anderson and lost. Hell, it was a combination of wrestling and striking on Anderson’s part that did him in too.
Frankly, I would say of the three, based purely on their individual strengths and weaknesses and not the Logic Circle, Chael gets the shot. Decent striking and strong wrestling stand a much better chance than strong BJJ and terrible striking does against Anderson. Nate simply doesn’t deserve the shot coming off of a loss.
I think that Chael has the best chance of beating Silva as well. The most likely outcome I see Chael losing in is getting submitted while on top. Chael made a few mistakes on top that almost cost him the match against Nate. A. Silva’s BJJ if given the same chance could very likely make that difference between him GnPed the whole match and slipping in the guillotine. I don’t see Silva powering Chael into a Kimura or catching him in a triangle choke.
Chael is primarily a wrestler, the one skillset that has complicated Anderson’s fights.
which fight was that?
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Pride is Forever
Lutter and Henderson both took him down and controlled him for a round.
The only problem is, I’m not sure anyone is capable of doing that for five rounds.
the problem with the Lutter fight is that Andy was having knee problems (he had knee surgery following the fight in both knees), but Hendo did take him down and I agree, I don’t think anyone can do that for 5 rounds nor inflict damage to Andy while down there.
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
Lutter, yes, but I was thinking mostly Hendo. Superior wrestlers are the only people that have really put a dent in Silva’s game. Can Sonnen do what Henderson could not, ie do real GnP damage? I think its possible. Sonnen convinced me of one thing in the Nate fight, he will simply not quit regardless of the damage he’s taken, and that sort of mental attitude may also work in his favor against Silva.
unless Silva puts him on a hold.. he’ll be tapping like there is no tomorrow :p
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Well, sure, that is the most probably outcome. Don’t confuse the fact that Im saying stylistically Sonnen has the most to offer in the Silva fight with actually supporting and thinking Sonnen will win.
The bottom line is that of any skillset Silva has been challenged with, strong wrestling has had the most ‘success’.
yeah, even though it was a very small margin of success, I don’t disagree with you.
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The fact that you can only list 2 matches in A Silva’s career to gauge his success against wrestlers is a pretty big factor. Hendo took him down once and held him down without inflicting too much damage. If Chael does I see him getting more damaging shots in.
To be honest I don’t know how good A. Silva’s takedown defense is. Most fighters with good defense that aren’t primarily wrestlers still can’t stop a top caliber wrestler. I can’t remember clearly what led up to Hendo getting stuc in a rear naked choke. I don’t remember if he was stalking for the takedown and got tagged or if he was trying his luck standing up.
I don’t think Chael will have any intentions to “stand and bang”. He’s plenty content with piss pounding someone on the ground. Silva has a lot better footwork then Nate and will probably try to stay out of range for Chael to shoot. If Chael gets two rounds in with him getting the takedown and beats on Silva it just makes it that much easier for Chael to catch him again.
I think Chael needs to work on a good solid attack to actually finish someone after establishing a solid base. I don’t know how much of his strategy against Nate involved sacrificing more damaging strikes for better position control.
The more recent fight takes precedence.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 8, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is obvious
why it took us so long to mention it, I had no clue.
Yes, but Chael gets to play the Okami card.
Logic circle broken.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Feb 9, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
because since that lost he beat a top 25 guy, a guy ranked number 4, and a guy ranked number 2? And because Maia has lost since then?
by Phildo on Feb 8, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anderson is fighting Belfort in April, then he’ll fight someone at LHW and maybe by the end of the year he’ll be back for another defense at MW, how long does he usually sit out? That’s plenty of time for a rematch between Chael/Maia (although I do want to see Andy destroy Chael first).
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Pride is Forever
So what happens when Chael gets submitted again by Maia?
That would make a much more mess on the already small MW pool.
THIS! He just ranked the two best middleweights not named Anderson SIlva in back to back matches.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
He just ranked the two best middleweights not named Anderson SIlva and Dan Henderson in back to back matches
Just giving you shit.
Feeling a little more down now with Sonnen’s win that Hendo and the UFC couldn’t come to an agreement. If a wrestler is going to take on Anderson I would have preferred Hendo.
Of course, without Hendo leaving we probably wouldn’t get any new challengers, He’d be waiting to knock them off, leaving him as a perpetual contender. It’s a mixed bag.
He just ranked the two best middleweights not named Anderson SIlva and Dan Henderson in back to back matches
Why doesn’t Ed Soares just make it easy and give us a list of who Anderson will fight and who he won’t.
by signal on Feb 8, 2010 6:51 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Typical Ed
And if Sonnen loses a rematch to Maia, Ed would say “He’s got to face Marquardt first”
by GotaHemmi on Feb 8, 2010 6:51 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Exactly what I was thinking.
Maia is a bad match-up for Sonnen, Sonnen is a bad match-up for Marquardt, Marquardt is a bad match-up for Maia. Sometimes these little circles exist in sports because of stylistic aspects.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 8, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
Rec'd so hard.
Seriously. And I think Sonnen is a bad matchup for Silva. Everybody bags on Sonnen cause he says some crazy shit, but he’s smarter than people give him credit for. I’m not sure, but I don’t think Silva has ever fought a smothering wrestler like Sonnen. Sure, he fought Hendo, but Hendo doesn’t do much from top control. Very interested to see this fight.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
or he’ll just play the “i won’t fight brazilians” card like they tried before signing on for the vitor fight.
lol
sure, Andy never fought a Brazilian before, makes perfect sense.
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well, saying he won’t fight Brazilians and having quite a few fights against Brazilians sure seems contradictory. When, btw, has he ever said he won’t fight someone just because they are Brazilians?
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by orcus on Feb 9, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think you’re jumping the gun here.
my comment was much more about the ufc naming someone a challenger for the title, and his camp (namely soares) chiming in with reasons why it should be done differently. has nothing to do with who he ACTUALLY fights. more about the pattern of dissent (whether it’s 100% serious or not).
and i can’t remember what the exact quote is about the brazilian thing, but it was something he said recently… maybe at the abu dabi press conference, or maybe even earlier… about how he preferred to never fight fellow brazilians, but would. again… i never said he HASN’T, did i? no reason to get your feathers ruffled.
and i think this may be the quote i was thinking of...
http://urdirt.com/2010/01/04/anderson-silva-does-not-like-fighting-other-brazilians/
though i seem to remember a 2nd more recent one. it’s possible that when i read it (maybe in a fanshot or something), it was condensed down and lacked the proper context, making it seem more negative than it actually is.
I have a feeling he’s going to start saying Hendo is the only valid title shot.
I can’t wait to see what Chael Sonnen does with this…he completely and utterly won me over to fandom with his “Hoedown” line
he is definitely fun to listen to.
The hoedown and “Im a republican; you will never catch me laying down with a man between my legs” are his best
Champions aren't made in gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them -- a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have to have the skill and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill.
-Muhammed Ali
no way chael >>> Tito, or should I say Jacob Ortiz
by kanodogg on Feb 8, 2010 7:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chael = MW Mir
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
This exact thing has been posted so much in the last three days its not even funny.
"Just push the ice outside the octagon so Arianny can fall on her head!" - Joe Rogan
by MostDiabolicalHater on Feb 8, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Forgive me
for not reading every post
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Mir talks a lot of trash, but it’s usually of pretty low caliber (I want to rip the skin off his face, I’m going to take an arm home, I’m a superior athlete, etc). Chael’s smack talk is 1000 times more clever.
by Steve4192 on Feb 8, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True. To me they both have this “I’m a genius” smug attitude. They are both tools.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
This is the truth
"Just push the ice outside the octagon so Arianny can fall on her head!" - Joe Rogan
by MostDiabolicalHater on Feb 8, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think
They are the type of people who really are smart people but not smarter than most everyday person. But in their minds they think they are Albert Einstein or something.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Chael is probably the highest caliber shit talker in the UFC.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Feb 8, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s the pound for pound great right now, but he still can’t box somebody’s ass up and then choke em out with a gogo.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Stockton, bitches
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
by Stillberry on Feb 8, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His head games are amazing and his act is hilarious. I’ve never laughed at anything Mir had to say but I routinely crack up two to three times per Sonnen interview.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
We need to talk about your flair.
Keep firing Assholes!
I don't know what I'm talking aboot.
by Ubernoober on Feb 8, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He is definitely the most well-spoken shit talker. I appreciate his obscure references and weird analogies.
"Just push the ice outside the octagon so Arianny can fall on her head!" - Joe Rogan
by MostDiabolicalHater on Feb 8, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Chael’s smack talk is 1000 times more clever
Funny that he is running for political office. Oh wait…maybe not so funny.
by Ulf Murphy on Feb 8, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How is Sonnen more clever
for saying that Silva hasnt fought anyone top 10? or saying he is “a republican, we dont do that,” referring to BJJ. SONNEN IS BAD FOR MMA!!!!!!!!!!
STOP SHOUTING!!!
TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOESN’T MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT MORE VALID!!!!
SHIT, YOU ARE EVEN SHOUTING YOU NAME!!!
STOP IT!!!!!!
by Steve4192 on Feb 8, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
IT’S SPREADING!!!!!
Keep firing Assholes!
I don't know what I'm talking aboot.
by Ubernoober on Feb 8, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Republicans are the funniest people, I don’t take them seriously, but they definitely have the best comedy routines.
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by orcus on Feb 9, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It seems no one is deserving of fighting Anderson.
I’m getting awful sick of this shit.
by Tap or Snap Radio on Feb 8, 2010 6:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Aside from the obvious
why is he countering the hype? It pisses me off when Mayweather knocks his opponent’s ability to compete with him because, well, we don’t want to see a non-competitive fight. Ed is doing the same thing. It’s bad business.
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I don’t think it affects buyrates when Mayweather does it. If a champion (or his manager) wants to say his opponent is unworthy, it’s up to that challenger to prove the champion wrong. Ed Soares doesn’t work for the UFC; he works for Anderson Silva.
by madiq on Feb 8, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A challenger is supposed to fight a champion and try to beat him?
Golly, mister! Thanks for helpin’ me wise up!
Ed Soares’ job is to represent Anderson Silva’s interests. By cheapening the contenders he hurts the PPV draw, which Anderson makes money off of. You don’t say “Oh, Vitor hasn’t beaten anybody and isn’t good enough. He can’t even make weight!” to get interest. You say something like “Vitor has fast hands and is one of the best strikers in the sport, but he’s going up against THE best striker. There’s gonna be fireworks.”
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by pdl on Feb 8, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ed is not hurting the potential buy rate for this match up, saying someone is not worthy of fighting Andy and having Chael do his magic with his smack talk (I can’t even imagine what his response will be but I’m quite sure it will be gold) is just prolonging the smack talk between both camps, and making things much more interesting. why is Chael the only guy allowed to smack talk and Ed isn’t? Did Chael also hurt the buyrate by saying Andy didn’t fight any top 10 fighters?
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by orcus on Feb 9, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t say "Oh, Vitor hasn’t beaten anybody and isn’t good enough. He can’t even make weight!" to get interest. You say somethin [like] "Vitor has fast hands and is one of the best strikers in the sport, but he’s going up against THE best striker.
That sounds like something Dana White would say, and it’s one of the reasons people often think he’s full of shit. I’ll restate: Not Ed Soares’ job to pretend that fighters are on Anderson’s level if he doesn’t think they are. Also not his job to be noncommital and political for fans that are hyper-concerned about “mutual respect.” Show me a million-selling PPV, and I’ll show you a main event where at least one of the competitors was trash-talking and/or disrespecting the other.
Can Bloodyelbow just have a Ed Soares ban like Cage Potato had on Tito Ortiz?
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by thisredengine on Feb 8, 2010 6:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
More like the keith olberman
by bigc4277 on Feb 8, 2010 7:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
No and No
"Just push the ice outside the octagon so Arianny can fall on her head!" - Joe Rogan
by MostDiabolicalHater on Feb 8, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ed sounds like a gradeschool teacher. When a guy and girl are talking the teacher will accuse them of liking each other to shut them up. “Sounds like Sonnen has a crush on Anderson herp derp!”
by ChiCubs23 on Feb 8, 2010 7:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
It’s appropriate, since Sonnen sounds like 13 year old kid. “Anderson has earrings and wears his hat sideways”
by dancingChicken on Feb 9, 2010 6:18 AM EST up reply actions
UFC
Wow. We pay to see fights. So fight who you’re matched up with. Get over it. If you’re the best than fight whoever the match makers put in front of you. This is why people love Wand.
by jmooby on Feb 8, 2010 7:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Anderson IS fighting “whoever the match makers put in front of him.” He is fighting Vitor Belfort despite Ed Soares saying Vitor should fight at 185 in the UFC first. As far as Henderson or Marquardt, they had equal validation to fight Anderson, but they wouldn’t have a title contender eliminator, so Anderson couldn’t fight either of them.
Ed Soares only gives his opinion, and the UFC hasn’t actually shown that they comply with Ed Soares’ opinions (as shown with Anderson fighting Vitor). Soares said that Anderson is willing to fight Chael Sonnen, but Soares just gave his opinion why the fight shouldn’t happen, yet his opinion is nothing that is absolute.
by chrisbboy82 on Feb 8, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Wake me when someone makes a valid point, and doesn’t just insult Ed Soares for speaking his mind.
by madiq on Feb 8, 2010 7:12 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
I know what you mean. Apparently, (and this is me being sarcastic) Anderson Silva is ducking Chael Sonnen and won’t fight him (even though the article doesn’t actually say that), and Ed Soares has some sort of huge influence in UFC matchmaking (Anderson is still fighting Vitor Belfort despite Ed Soares’ protests).
by chrisbboy82 on Feb 8, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Silva wants money fights
and I can’t really blame him. To his credit, Sonnen understands this and started talking massive amounts of shit as a result (and yes, I think Sonnen is smart enough to realize he needs to build this fight). Here’s Silva’s record in the last 3 years and one week (hope the formatting works)…
Win Forrest Griffin KO (Punch) UFC 101 – Declaration 8/8/2009 1 3:23
Win Thales Leites Decision (Unanimous) UFC 97 – Redemption 4/18/2009 5 5:00
Win Patrick Cote TKO (Knee Injury) UFC 90 – Silva vs. Cote 10/25/2008 3 0:39
Win James Irvin KO (Punches) UFC – Fight Night 14 7/19/2008 1 1:01
Win Dan Henderson Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) UFC 82 – Pride of a Champion 3/1/2008 2 4:52
Win Rich Franklin TKO (Knees) UFC 77 – Hostile Territory 10/20/2007 2 1:07
Win Nate Marquardt TKO (Punches) UFC 73 – Stacked 7/7/2007 1 4:50
Win Travis Lutter Submission (Elbows) UFC 67 – All or Nothing 2/3/2007 2 2:11
In his last five fights, we’ve seen Silva in two b-s title fights, his first move up to 205, demolish former 205 champ Griffen, and destroy two-class Pride champ Henderson. I don’t see Silva ducking out of fear… I see him looking for big paydays. Is Sonnen a threat? Well, more so than Leitas or Cote. It might be a good fight, and it might be a waste of one of the (potentially) few remaining Silva fights. I want to see Nate move down to 170 and GSP move up to 185 with the goal of a superfight with Silva. And, hell, let’s see Sonnen-GSP. My money is on GSP.
If he wants big money fights, he should vacate the title if he beats Vitor and move up a weight class, because other than a clash with GSP, which would be a long time coming if it happened, there aren’t any big money fights left for him at MW.
griff, hendo, ranklin and marq were all legit. i’d throw sonnen up there too. not as much all around, but Hendo showed silva’s vulnerability to wrestling. So I’d argue Sonnen is a much bigger threat than leites and cote
Frankly, I'm pretty sick of people parroting that "Hendo showed Silva's...blah blah blah..."
Watch that fight again. No one won that first round, it should have been 10-10 or 9-9 or whatever…but to say Hendo won that…what Hendo did with that takedown was embarassing. I was glad to see Anderson take him to the woodshed after that.
Seriously…two division Pride champ can’t think of anything better to do than hold his hand over a guys mouth. Weak.
Please, enlighten me...
as to how laying in a weird partial side control and either holding your hand over a guys mouth or dropping 1 inch hammerfists is an effective strategy to unseat the champ?
That was a pathetic display by the two weight class world destroying Pride champ.
Because if you can pull it off three times and avoid getting KO’d in the other two rounds, you win the fight.
It might not be pretty or entertaining, but it scores points with the judges. Both Lutter and Hendo won the first round against Anderson by taking him down and keeping him there. The problem is, nobody has been able to do it for more than one round, and I seriously doubt that Chael will be the first to do it.
They should make a new fighting league L&PFC and you can get to watch all the wrestlers you want lay on top of each other and one be declared a winner.
Wrestlers are the least entertaining fighters to watch, because often when the fight gets hard, they do what they’ve been trained to do all their lives- smother an opponent and pin him to the ground. I don’t know why you’d want to reward that type of fighting strategy at all.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 9, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
not as stupid as your own argument, seriously. Hendo took him down, the spider locked the ground and Hendo didn’t do anything. that’s not a vulnerability to the Spider’s game, it’s genius really. if that happens in the Chael fight they’ll get stood up and back on their feet, so the spider can put him away…
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i thought it was weak also...
Smart strategy? yea… exciting? not so much
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Sonnen's mouth = money
People want to see a talker shut up. Chael will only have more ammunition if they “dodge” him. Chael is the perfect heel to beat up with a total ass kicking. You could spin it: Chael only loses by submission he never has been TKO’d that alone could be useful to sell a fight.
If Silva wants to be a money, he needs to fight and destroy guys like Chael. He’s an awesome fighter but he has yet to crack that territory as a big bonafide draw.
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But his strategy doesn't work
Anderson needs to sell the fights he is in. Sell his personality…Not just hope he can bitch his way into the right match-up.
Ed Soares
Right when I thought no one was full of more shit than Chael himself…
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Feb 8, 2010 7:18 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I honestly believe Andy doest want to fight good wrestlers. I think the first rd vs hendo made him think about it. He didn’t want the hendo rematch either. That being said he beats hendo again and sonnen but I think he doesn’t even want to take that chance.
by xbuckeyex05 on Feb 8, 2010 7:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I’m about as big of an Anderson Silva fan as you’ll find and I’m not sure that he beats Hendo in a rematch if Hendo goes with the Sonnen (aka shoot first ask questions later).
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
I dont think
hendo has the double leg sonnen does. I do think he could provide probems for anderson if he really went out there to wrestle… but that happens when Jacob Ortiz becomes the most humble man in mma.
Where did you come up with the conclusion that “Andy doesn’t want to fight good wrestlers?” There were contract disputes in regards to a second Henderson match being that the Bisping fight was the last fight on Henderson’s UFC contract, and he wanted Anderson and no one else (and there were money issues as well, and all of this has been reported). Marquardt had as much claim to fight Anderson after defeating Maia, so that threw things out of whack as well in that both Henderson and Marquardt had just about an equal claim to fight Anderson. You also have to put the UFC into this equation because I’m sure they had the daunting task of picking either Henderson or Marquardt and whether or not any of those rematches would equal money. Look, all I’m saying is that it is not all Anderson Silva or Ed Soares, and that there are other factors in why certain fights like Henderson vs Anderson Silva II didn’t happen. Also, the article does NOT say that Anderson won’t fight Sonnen, but Soares is just giving his opinion here.
Where in the henderson fight
was this amazing wrestling showcased…. 3 minutes into the first round hendo got a body lock… when he attempted it in the second, no dice.
People should seriously rewatch these fights. I’ve watched it many times trying to pick up on the nuances of Silva’s game. Trust me, outside that one body lock, there was no major showcase of wrestling.
Hendo = Good wrestler who forgets he can wrestle and loads his right.
Yes!!!
I mean…How many dominant wrestlers has Anderson faced and/or defeated?
Hendo is the only name that comes to my mind. As you pointed out, Hendo doesn’t always use his wrestling to his advantage i.e throwing bombs and getting out of position.
Perhaps Soeres recognizes the one real weakness in Anderson’s game and that Sonnen is probably the best equipped of any relevant MW to exploit that weakness. Hence, he suggests Sonnen fight Maia again because stylistically, Maia would continue to have an advantage over Sonnen. He would likely beat him again and remove him from the title picture.
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by MyFistYourFace on Feb 8, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Soares makes a fair point
He didn’t say they won’t take the fight. Read the opening line of the quote for hell’s sake.
He’s just jabbing at Sonnen by reminding him of his easy defeat at the hands of Maia.
by klown on Feb 8, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Ed Soares, the Bobby "The Brain" Heenan of MMA
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by Deo Wade on Feb 8, 2010 7:36 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
I don’t agree with Ed Soares on this, but man, I love Ed Soares for his ability to get internet commenters in a tizzy.
Never mind that nothing he’s said has ever had an actual effect on matchmaking… HOW DARE HE GIVE HIS OPINION WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS GRRR!!!!
by JRN on Feb 8, 2010 7:50 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I really don't get some posters here
Some of these MMA fans get the wrong idea here. Anderson Silva is still fighting Vitor Belfort despite what Ed Soares was saying about Vitor needing to fight at 185 in the UFC first. This is just what Ed Soares would like to see before someone fights Anderson at Middleweight, yet some posters think it is somehow gospel. Ed Soares did NOT say that Anderson Silva will not fight Chael Sonnen, yet there are already some people here that are saying that Anderson may be ducking Sonnen (like the guy who said he is ducking great wrestlers).
by chrisbboy82 on Feb 8, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I defy anyone to ask randomly selected pedestrians who Anderson Silva is and come up with a correct answer rate of higher than 3%. And I’m thinking 0% is almost certain. So. Sonnen’s name recognition is in general, indistinguishable.
Nice work, Ed.
by some schmuck in texas on Feb 8, 2010 7:51 PM EST reply actions
If Anderson refuses to fight Chael (via proxy, i.e. Ed Soares) it is just going to prove Chael’s ranting about Anderson to have a grain of truth to it.
I don’t get the reference.
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by thisredengine on Feb 8, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Its Grima wormtounge corrupting the King of Rohan. **Rides off on his winged nerd horse.
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by hlebtasic on Feb 8, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
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by thisredengine on Feb 8, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
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by thisredengine on Feb 8, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Why does Rudy have a dumb smile on his face?
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by thisredengine on Feb 8, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
As a Republican I think you would be upset if you knew.
Keep firing Assholes!
I don't know what I'm talking aboot.
by Ubernoober on Feb 8, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
DON’T TELL ME!!!
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by thisredengine on Feb 8, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
A Rusty Trombone?
"Just push the ice outside the octagon so Arianny can fall on her head!" - Joe Rogan
by MostDiabolicalHater on Feb 8, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
QUIT IT!!!! IT’S RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!
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by thisredengine on Feb 8, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhh ahh ah ahh ah ahhhhh
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
hes the guy who whispers into the dudes ear all the time
by mr. gogoplata on Feb 8, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
He says Chael should fight Maia for a title shot but Nate beat Maia, why wouldn’t Maia have to fight Nate again?
Easy because styalisticly Soares thinks Maia is an easier matchup for Silva. It’s the same reason why he didn’t want the Hendo fight.
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that being said Chael will be on the receiving end of a knee to stop that takedown
by mr. gogoplata on Feb 8, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think Chael’s chin and recovery times are pretty good, he’s only been TKOed once back in 2004.
Keep firing Assholes!
I don't know what I'm talking aboot.
Its not like Anderson has BJ-like takedown defense.
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I concur.
Even given the size differential between them I would be willing to bet more money than I could safely afford to lose that Travis Lutter would never, ever be successful on more than 50% of his takedowns against BJ if they fought.
Nate doesn’t have BJ TDD either, but he still managed to connect with two knees to Sonnen’s head…
by dancingChicken on Feb 9, 2010 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
Ed Soares fighting Championship.
Ed is getting a little out of control.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 8, 2010 8:29 PM EST reply actions
and faber?
Isn’t Soares representing Aldo?
Of course this will all be moot if Vitor smokes Anderson.
Keep firing Assholes!
I don't know what I'm talking aboot.
chael sonnen really became a star overnight
this goes to show if ur a good fighter u should keep talking and acting like an idiot so the mma gods will smile upon u
Ed gets to decide shit.
UFC: Ed your fighter is fighting this guy.
ED: OK
UFC: Have him here at this time.
ED: Ok. Thanks for letting me be more than a shitty manager for shitty bands. Thanks.
UFC: I’m glad you’re not letting your fighters success get to your head.
ED: How douchie would that be?
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 8, 2010 8:44 PM EST reply actions
silva all day
now yall continue you have a happy black history month
by staytrue2010 on Feb 8, 2010 9:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So when Chael does it
he’s the man because he knows how to promote himself, talk trash, get himself in the spotlight, etc (bandwagon much?). When Ed calls him on it and actually talks back he should shut up?
I am the farthest thing from an Ed Soares fan but come the fuck on.
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by J. B. Maddox on Feb 8, 2010 9:53 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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Looking more and more like Sherdog everyday
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by KingAtRock on Feb 8, 2010 10:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
What is happening?
Some of the comments on BE are starting to remind me of the other MMA site I used to visit. S- – - – - g
what on god's green earth?
these discussions are strikingly similar to those found on sherdog! egad!
*follows the trend*
[insert sherdog comparison here]
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by Deo Wade on Feb 8, 2010 10:55 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
lol I swear MMA ‘fans’ are some of the most self deprecating people on earth. That includes you UG haha
I don't take myself that serious.
Can’t say the same for most of the other users.
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It’s hilarious to me how defensive MMA fans get. It’s a sport, enjoy it.
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by thisredengine on Feb 8, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Right?
In the end, this shit doesn’t even matter. It’s just a fun pastime. So many ppl are like the dudes in a random pickup game that start calling traveling on you.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Worst dudes. Like, cool you have a favorite fighter. He doesn’t know you and probably wouldn’t like you, so shut up already.
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by thisredengine on Feb 9, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
GSP vs Sonnen - Winner gets Silva/Belfort Winner!
This is the time for GSP to step up in weight after his fight with the Outlaw. Whatcha think?
by JONBONESJONES79 on Feb 8, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions
Georges gets an immediate shot. End of story.
"Just push the ice outside the octagon so Arianny can fall on her head!" - Joe Rogan
by MostDiabolicalHater on Feb 8, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t disagree, but look at what happened to BJ when he stepped up in weight. I think GSP should have to fight a contender first, but I doubt the UFC will do this because the amount of $$$ they could lose if GSP would happen to lose.
by JONBONESJONES79 on Feb 8, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed and you are correct.
"Just push the ice outside the octagon so Arianny can fall on her head!" - Joe Rogan
by MostDiabolicalHater on Feb 8, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
GSP has said he wants to do things the right way
So i’m not sure he’d want an immediate title shot.
the comments section gets weirder and weirder nowadays.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 8, 2010 11:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Let's Look at it from R-P-S perspective
Marquardt=Rock since he’s the best at punching out of the 3
Sonnen=Paper because he likes to “blanket” and cover people/This Wrestling Thing
Maia=Scissors because well his Triangle Chokes are sick and that sort of reminds me of scissors.
Paper beats Ed Soares because his mouth is so big and he never shuts up. Scissors could defeat Anderson especially if it was a really big, sharp, pointy and rusted pair and it was in his eyes. On the other hand, Anderson is like a Super Rock so he’d just probably curb stomp Scissors. Paper could be The Super Rock’s biggest weakness but Anderson is pretty crafty so he might be cross training Scissors Jitsu. So here’s the bottom line:
No matter if you’re Scissors, Rock, or Paper, Anderson will probably kick your ass
Rock>Scissors>Paper>Rock>Scissors>Paper>Rock AHHHH Endless loop.
by Sokonojudo on Feb 8, 2010 11:47 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Much like the rest of you, I think Ed Soares is a piece of shit for answering questions that he is directly asked by interviewers. And he even had the indecency to preface it by saying “We are fine with it.” What a douche.
50% more Ultimate than the leading competitor.
by Dodectagon on Feb 8, 2010 11:47 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Chael has been picking on Anderson since 2008 saying he was going to beat him up.
Here is an interesting interview from the WEC website after his loss to Paulo Fihlo where he said he wanted to fight Anderson . I couldn’t stand the guy before but I am a big fan after his last fight. I have found Chael’s mouth very entertaining and he is very articulate. He knows what to say at the right time. Anyone who saw the post fight press conference would probably agree that he is a good ambassador for the sport. He said he would like to represent the UFC as a fighter/spokesman and he is willing to plead the case for legalization in states like New York. I think he would do awesome at that and he comes across harmless.
Interview states that:
Sonnen doesn’t have to do this. He owns a real estate business on the side and is a founder of the Full Contact Fighting Federation, an amateur MMA organization. The FCFF has been running for six years now, and has featured fighters like Chris Leben, Ed Herman, Josh Haynes and Chris Wilson. The company has held 39 shows, 31 of them were sellouts.
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Wondering if its Silva being afraid or because he’s not happy with the money? Take this into account: His elbow miraculously healed up for a Belfort fight when he got a date on the same PPV card as BJ Penn after being positioned to carry PPVs by himself. He’s also getting a free training camp, all expenses paid, for a few weeks in Abu Dhabi leading up to the bout with Vitor Belfort. That’s something that would have come out of his own pocket in order to get him accustomed to the time change. He also decided he has a lot more fights in him after Roy Jones Jr. got embarassed in Australia.
In short: Chael Sonnen is nobody. Anderson Silva doesn’t want to fight a nobody. Wait and see how Machida’s rematch with Shogun turns out – I’m guessing if the guy who should have won the first fight wins the rematch, Silva has a change of heart about competing as a light heavyweight.
Even if Machida will lose to Shogun, he’ll still be a contender who’s 1 or 2 fights away from another title shot. If you add Lil’Nog to the mix, there’s no way Silva will fight for the LHW title.
Ed’s bitching about Silva’s opponents is one thing, because he’ll fight them anyway, but if he’ll be the LHW champ, he WONT fight Lyoto nor lil’Nog, and that is shitty situation…
by dancingChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Silva wants money: Shogun with a belt is a money fight. If Machida loses this fight, I doubt the UFC will rush to reestablish him as a title challenger, given how prone he is to being boring. Noguiera might not even win his next fight. Meanwhile, they can give him Couture or Rampage (should Silva win), or he can move back to 185 win/lose/draw.
On the other hand, who really cares if he ever fights Sonnen? He could fight anyone and get the same paycheck.
by VirtualBalboa on Feb 9, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
Man Bloodyelbow comment section totally jumped the shark. wow. Can we bring back Subo and have it become normal again?
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That’s what happens when two of MMA’s biggest trolls exchange opinions…
by dancingChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously, you go back a month and it was readable in the comments. Amazing! Okay I’m gonna post a picture of a panda taking a photograph of a child.
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by thisredengine on Feb 9, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling that a great cleansing is coming to BE soon.
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Make it happen UFC!
Please UFC make Silva vs Chael happen regardless of the outcome of the Silva vs Vitor fight. I want to see Silva standing over Chael doing some Samba.
i’m tired of anderson bitching about every f’ing person he’s slated to fight. god am i tired of hearing him/his manager just talking down every single guy. if anderson was still the showstopper he was after his first few UFC fights he wouldn’t have to worry about who he’s fighting to build ppv revenue. don’t forget, before the UFC, NO one other than hardcore fans knew anderson’s name. aside from RYO CHONAN’s highlight reel film flying scissor to heel hook, Anderson was unranked and unknown in his weight class. period. i’m not knocking anderson, but he hasn’t been god in his division for 10 years or something like other fighters in fighting history. mma fans have short memories and most of us have little sense of time compared to the norm in combative sports.
guys like jake lamotta and robinson fought multiple times. Anderson bitches about a guy that crushed the easily considered top guy in that division other than himself. anderson couldn’t even put away Cote and wouldn’t even pound out leites on the mat opting instead to spinning back heel hick leites to the ankle.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Feb 9, 2010 11:13 AM EST reply actions
that’s not true, Anderson became known after he KOd Carlos Newton, that’s before the loss to Ryo Chonan…
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Yes, but Robinson fought LaMotta several times because the fights were competitive
Who has been competitive that Andy has fought?. I think the only one(In his record 10 straight wins) to actually win a round was Lutter. He has been MW champion for 4 years. I think he should decide who he fights and get the most money he can. Personally, I think he should chase the challenges only from now and drop the MW belt because there are none there. If I were him, I would insist on uber fights only and quit playing patty cakes with these MW’s, they aren’t going to challenge him. Bring me GSP, Shogun, Rampage, Lesnar, Mir… and if possible Fedor and Mousasi.
Chael vs Soares
Chael says shit to get him to fight Silva
Soares says shit to avoid that fight.
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