UFC 109: Relentless Post-Fight Recap and Analysis
by Mike Fagan on Feb 7, 2010 2:24 AM EST
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-I hate to start off the recap with my usual commentating rant, but Joe may have put in his worst color job to date. I watched the fight with one casual fan and three non-fans, and Joe was the butt of several jokes throughout the card. Joe disappointed from his orgasming over Nate Marquardt's final minute to putting a quick end to Mark Coleman's verbal sparring with Tito Ortiz.
-With that out of the way, Randy Couture showed why he'll be remembered far longer and far more fondly than Mark Coleman. Couture evolved with the game; Coleman went as far as his wrestling would take him.
-I'm not one to tell a fighter to retire, but Coleman's got a tough decision ahead of him in the coming days.
-When Anderson Silva gets by Vitor Belfort, we'll have a couple months of awesome sound bytes to work with.
-Nate Marquardt looked in trouble early in round one. Sonnen put him in a position he never had to deal with, and Nate didn't have any answers for it.
-Another non-fight issue...the UFC needs to deal with the Yahoo internet stream. I watch all the cards with Yahoo and on more than one occasion I've had to consume the card via alternate means. If Zuffa wants to snuff out illegal streaming, they need to fix their current offerings.
-Which leads me to the Swick/Thiago fight, of which I missed the first round. From the highlights, it looked like Thiago continued to make strides with his striking which led to the finish.
-Demian Maia's striking looked improved, though he still has a long way to go. It was nice to see him able to win a fight without an ability to get the fight to the floor when he wanted, though he'll still have a lot of trouble with the better strikers at 185.
-Frank Trigg looks just about done. He looked slow and stiff, and Serra did what Serra does. Land one big right hand. With numerous other career ventures, I wouldn't be surprised to see Trigg hang up the gloves.
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Rogan was atrocious, but I'll put it as an "off night"
To quote him, he seemed “high as giraffe pussy”. I mean he was bad from the prelims. Nothing seemed right. He was joking a ton and not really doing fight analysis. The “Oh Noooooooo” thing creeped me out.
This card earns a 7.5/10 for me in terms of quality.
As I mentioned in the other thread, Nover, Hague, Buchholz, and Trigg just about are getting their walking papers after their results tonight.
Thiago vs. Fitch/Alves would be perfect. I’m really impressed with Paulo Thiago.
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Sounds like Hague got jobbed. Sherdog scored rounds 1 and 3 for Hague with round 3 being 10-8.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 7, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
As it’s harder to find decent heavyweights than fighters at other weight classes, I could see Tim Hague getting one more shot. Then again I didn’t see the fight so I don’t know if it was really bad or not.
Beltran vs. Gracie though, that was not a UFC-level fight. That was like something from the WarGods show. If Rolles Gracie isn’t released it’ll be because of his last name, but he really does not deserve to be in the UFC. I got the impression that Herschel Walker would probably beat him from that performance. Beltran hardly looked like a world-beater but he still completely clowned Gracie after stepping in on one week’s notice.
I thought Rogan was good, while he did over hype Nate final 30 seconds he alway does stuff like that. And except for Micheal S. there are still no other commentators that I think come close, so untill I hear one my standard is set with Rogan/Shivellao(sp).
you mean the last thirty seconds where the fighter who’d been getting his ass whooped for almost three full rounds managed to get a dominant position and possibly could have pulled off an amazing come from behind victory? you mean the announcer actually made that out to be kind of a big deal? what the hell was he thinking?
then he stops an embarrassed old man from embarrassing himself further by calling tito and his porn star girlfriend names. what a hack. i mean where does he get off?
seriously, though i didn’t have any problem with joe’s commentary, i’m fine with people who did, but fagan’s reasons were weak as hell.
by K Krush on Feb 7, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He acted as if the final minute of the fight somehow erased the first fourteen. He said Nate may have stole the round for fuck’s sake.
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I think he was saying the judges could see it that way
I’d need to listen again, but I think he was more just concerned that would lead to a bad decision.
I would too. I know he said “Chael doesn’t want to leave this in the hands of the judges,” but I think the round stealing line was independent of that.
Either way, as finicky as MMA judging can be, there’s no way Sonnen was losing a decision.
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i think he acknowledges the realities of bad judging and commentates accordingly. whether joe said it or not that last flurry COULD have stolen that round for nate, and being as it was the last moment of the fight, COULD have seriously influenced a judge or two. at this point in the evolution of mma, to ignore that these possibilities not only exist, but happen far more often than they should is naive, if not intentionally ignorant. and the more we acknowledge that the current judging system is very flawed and easily manipulated by the philosophy of “stealing rounds”, the sooner we’ll get a better judging system in place.
everyone i was with thought the same thing as joe when nate put in that little flurry.it was easily the most exciting part of the fight and could have led to yet another disastrously bad judge’s decision. this criticism joes taking for this makes absolutely no sense to me. maybe you respect the cecil peoples of this world more than i do.
So many revisionists are going to go through and discount Sonnen’s win by saying Nate was overrated. Which is well, whatever. But the great thing about it is, its just going to make him an even greater heel. That crazy asshole is a real sumabitch, and I love it.
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Could someone overrated do... THIS!!!
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by midwestbred on Feb 7, 2010 4:17 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Nat is by no means overrated and I still think he gives Anderson a fight if they ever meet again. Sonnen is just another kind of animal. It is all in the match ups and Sonnen is a strong wrestler who imposed his will. 5 minutes of having that guy crush down on you and your game plan is pretty much out the window. I hate fights like that, but props to Sonnen for doing what it took to get the win.
But that's a style great fighters need to deal with
Almost every division has its to tier wresters…If you want to be a “dominant” champion which was some of the talk about Nate…Then you are going to have to have some tools to deal with Wrestlers and Nate was exposed.
So many revisionists
yeah . . . you know mma fans for most are QUICK to revise history. At the end of the day Forrest Griffin defeated Quinton Jackson AND Mauricio Rua. After UFC 101, oh how the faithful have lost their way.
Sonnen proved why he was the WEC MW champion. He did say post-fight that he suffered a flash KO but somehow survived and he realized that he is not ready for the MW champion.
MARQUARDT gets a lot of props and it would be really sad to hear all the revisionist come out and discredit his past run after his lost to Silva. I guess all the talk about how Marquardt is bigger than Fighter A or B at 185 and how he trains with elite wrestlers in Evans and GSP will simmer down a bit.
yeah yeah yeah . . .
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 7, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
I think Chael is under rated
Of course he got submittied by Paulo Filho n Demian Maia… But he’s top game is still very good.
It’s just that he doesnt seem to know how to finish the fight… he pounds people and hope to give up i guess.
He reminds me of Mark Coleman. Let’s see how far can my wrestling goes
I do believe he’ll get exposed once again against the top fighter.
OH 185 lbs division is such a mess right now LOL. I hope Vitor stirs up some competition :P
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by chopstickthugz on Feb 7, 2010 4:39 AM EST up reply actions
In fairness, Nate was a pretty solid match up no-one thought Sonnen would beat.
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
Let’s be real. The main reason why no one thought Sonnen would beat Marquardt is because of the hype that’s behind Marquardt AND not behind Sonnen.
Marquardt trains with Team Jackson, GSP and Evans, blah, blah. He’s the #1 or #2 contender. People get so caught up in the story lines and how much he has improved since his loss to Silva that they are not paying attention to other small details.
- Marquardt has not face a wrestler of Sonnen or Henderson’s caliber.
- They didn’t pay attention to Sonnen’s strength – his durability, hasn’t been knocked out since 2004.
- In both of Marquardt’s losses . . . he got out-wrestled. Yes, Anderson Silva out-wrestled Marquardt . . . watch the switch.
yeah yeah yeah . . .
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 7, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
sonnen just put himself ahead of henderson in my mind. he got nate down, held him down and did some real damage. i’ll never forget when hendo got anderson down in the first round and did absolutely nothing for three minutes. i think sonnen has a better chance at taking silva than hendo does.
but yeah, anderson totally outwrestled nate. nate didn’t even get the complimentary second round anderson usually gives.
Henderson can do damage one way, a right cross. Sonnen may not have a weapon like hendersons right, but I think he is a more dynamic and active fighter.
Dan is a better fighter than Chael for two reasons.
1. He has an offensive weapon that can finish fights
2. He is nearly impossible to submit.
Chael’s last two fights have been great, but most of his success came from the fact he was facing guys who aren’t used to fighting off their backs. Okami and Marquardt are smothering top players but looked completely lost once they were put on their backs.
Anderson Silva does not have that problem. He will submit Chael just like every other BJJ guy with a decent bottom game who has fought him.
I've been saying Nate was overrated since before this fight...
He’s a VERY good fighter but his game has many more holes than people seemed willing to admit.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 7, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think this exposes the middleweight division, but also fills a gap.
Anderson has blown through these guys because he’s unreal. I think he’d do it to a top notch p4p guy, but it doesn’t that’s the caliber of fighter he was facing. Chael might be at that level and could seriously expose some of the holes in the division.
UFC 109 was the last ok card before the amazing cards begin.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 7, 2010 1:09 AM EST reply actions
yeah?
here’s hoping.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 7, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
My thoughts:
- Told you Nate didn’t have a size advantage. Huge props to Chael for proving that is, indeed, the “better fighter”. I still picked the fight wrong, though.
- Paul Thiago was just screwed in a major way. Giving Couture SotN bonus is a crime. Dana and the Fertittas should feel ashamed of themselves.
- Demian Maia desperately needed to prove that he is not completely lost on the feet. Those 3 rounds will pay huge dividends down the road.
- Phil Davis is a black man. Err, I mean explosive and athletic.
I specializes in grammar fail.
phil davis's build is identical to gsp.
by Austin Martin on Feb 7, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Uhh, no.
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by a tommy point on Feb 7, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
phil davis needs some more fights but he'll look real nice in a couple fights.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 7, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Brock Lesnar is built like a black man and you’re just jealous.
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by a tommy point on Feb 7, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
That quote is in print. I believe it was in a Maxim interview. One of the funniest things I’ve ever heard from a professional athlete in combat sports.
yeah yeah yeah . . .
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 7, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
I thought the line “yeah that’s right I hate gays, write that down in that little boook of yours” was funnier I believe in same interview
by kanodogg on Feb 7, 2010 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
actually
he said he was HUNG like a black man
by Brian Hemminger on Feb 7, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
Uh yes actually. Just bigger.
Mark it 8 Dude.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 7, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
uh, yea. his legs, torso, shoulders, arms, are larger and black.
by Austin Martin on Feb 7, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Announced that Thiago got the SOTN in the press conference, not sure why they said Couture on the PPV broadcast.
Good.
That choke was hateful
Mark it 8 Dude.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 7, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
Good news.
Thanks for the update.
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by a tommy point on Feb 7, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
I agree - I thought he was good as usual
Goldberg was terrible, but Rogan was excellent. But then that’s what we expect.
sad night for me
rogan was hilarious, but he did seem pretty stoned during a few of his comments. and yes thiago definately deserved the sub of the night award. props to couture, but he only got it because dana is on his nuts. and i used to even like tito somewhat, despite his constant excuses and brash attitude, but fuck him, leave coleman alone. coleman had a rough night and is (i guarantee you) feeling very upset and maybe even self-critical about a potential career ending fight (yes, i know he said he would fight again, but still). So fuck tito, although if they book a tito/coleman fight, tito should not have much a problem dispatching coleman.
by SubmissionSpecialist on Feb 7, 2010 1:21 AM EST reply actions
why is it that a guy fills four to five hours with live, improved commentary, he stumbles a few times and it’s because he’s stoned? were the other 3 hours and 45 minutes just strange moments of clarity through his marijuana fog? they barely have time to pee, how the hell is joe getting stoned during broadcasts? or does he smoke magic weed that just randomly effects you through the night?
joe’s a pot smoker, but he’s also a professional who loves his job. i think people who say these things underestimate him and don’t understand what people are like when they’re high.
by K Krush on Feb 7, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he sounded stoned, is what i meant to say. but i agree, theres no way he could get high during broadcast
by SubmissionSpecialist on Feb 7, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
Joe could easily get stoned during broadcasts via brownies, suckers, drinks, there’s all kinds of crazy shit but Joe has said he doesn’t get high during UFC broadcasts.
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The main event was embarrassing. Two slow old men looking well, slow and old. The best part of that fight was the trash talk with Tito at the end.
Whoever signed the Roles Gracie fight should have a good hard look at themselves.
Thiago looked good and that sub was incredible.
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Rolles Gracie just looked terrible
I know that he is a Gracie, but he is just not UFC caliber at all. Paulo Thiago looked great, and I have been cheering for him leading up to his fight against Swick, so I was ecstatic that Paulo won the way he did. Maia looked decent, and I know that it will pay dividends for him to work on his standup despite it boring the audience. Serra looked pretty good, and I would like to see him against someone pretty good in Welterweight. I am disappointed that Marquardt lost, but props to Sonnen for winning and following a good gameplan.
Gracies look real good in MMA
when they pick the rules and opponents.
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by pdl on Feb 7, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's what I kept on telling everyone.
Rolles is a good prospect, and has a huge upside, but he is just that, a prospect that is still very green. Kimbo vs Gracie should’ve been the logical matchup to make.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 7, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
He needs a treadmill.
Mark it 8 Dude.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 7, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rolles, a prospect?? He’d struggle in a fight night card.
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
My roommate grew up with Rolles and I spoke to him a bit about him and this is what he said.
Rolles was always well liked, but was the Gracie that was always out of shape and had the reputation as being lazy. He was chubby, but of course still had superior BJJ skills. He was surprised to see Rolles in what appeared to be, good condition, but we saw he still wasn’t up to UFC caliber.
Yes he is a prospect, but has a long ways to go, not only with his skill set, but his conditioning and cardio.
still, nothing about his performance said “prospect” to me. i think that’s being very kind, to say the least. i mean, i’ll watch it again, but i don’t remember rolles being effective anywhere, even on the ground. i was taken aback by how poorly he did.
Kind of an average card overall. What I thought was great though was all the talk about Mark Coleman’s great double-leg takedown. Which he didn’t shoot for once. This was a complete mismatch of course, but at least when he fought Fedor for the second time (another mismatch), he got the shit beaten out of him, but he had some sort of gameplan. I don’t think he even came close to shooting once this time round, and his gameplan was awful. Lesson is that any man who continues to bleach his hair blond after 30 can’t be trusted.
- I loved the way Thiago parried most of Swick’s shots instead of just covering up like most people do.
- While Maia still looked awkward striking sometimes, he did look much much more improved. He still got dropped though, but at least he’s working towards the right direction.
- Now will anyone start agreeing with me that Kimbo vs Gracie would’ve been a much better fight for the UFC? Rolles lost to an ‘unknown’ fighter, and Kimbo could very well lose to Meathead. So now, they will probably lose a match up that could easily be marketed to the casuals.
- Randy showed that he has evolved with the sport, and while that’s great and all, I really don’t buy that “he’s the best he’s been in his career.” and that he still is getting better. It’s really easy to look good when your opponent performs like how Coleman did.
- Sonnen was impressive, but what was more impressive was his first tweet ever:
Nate doesn’t have enough shiny trinkets or horse blankets to get into this POW WOW. He’s going to be known as, “Chief go home Lumpy.”
- Almost as impressive as my favorite quote of the night. “F*ck you Tito… Anytime, Douchebag”
I agreed with you
on Gracie vs. Kimbo. Shit, anybody else who looked for his fight tape would have agreed with you.
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by pdl on Feb 7, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I just read it. haha :)
the telecast was 20 mins delayed here, so I couldn’t stay in the live blog with you guys.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 7, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
wow that tweet is awesome. don’t ever stop talking shit, chael
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by Stillberry on Feb 7, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention the horrible hype about Couture being in the top 5 of the LHW division.
Sonnen. WOW!!!
Maia career will look like that fight unless he can effectively take down his opponents AND pass their guards. His striking WILL NEVER be enough to get the job done.
yeah yeah yeah . . .
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 7, 2010 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
Phil Davis
really is the reincarnation of George St. Pierre. Except that, of course, St. Pierre is still alive.
Thiago’s greatest strength is his mental game. He is clearly very intelligent, and remains absolutely tranquil under pressure. With the benefit of hindsight, his knock-out of Koscheck looks like it was about as “lucky” as Dos Santos’ knock-out of Werdum. Thiago is not some great striker like Dos Santos, but he makes up for it with a methodical gameplan, and he has real power.
It’s nice to see the welterweight division finally heating up just a little bit.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Feb 7, 2010 1:32 AM EST reply actions
Thiago and the Lucky Punch
yeah whatever . . . if naysayers pay attention to the way Koscheck throws his big right hand or just the way he strikes in general then they would probably conclude that Thiago’s upper-cut counter was simply elementary. While the UFC has been trying to highlight Koscheck improved striking it definitely wasn’t against great or decent strikers.
yeah yeah yeah . . .
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 7, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
Well, Kos didn’t really know anything about Thiago’s power going into that fight. Koscheck’s not really one to study tape, and its not like Thiago had fought anybody worth knowing. Don’t get me wrong, that’s totally Kos’s fault, but I would still bet on him to take the rematch. Kos’s wrestling and power make him a bad matchup for pretty much everybody at welter not named Georges. So no the punch wasn’t really lucky, but I’m doubtful that it would happen again.
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I will agree with your points but let’s NOT forget the beating Thiago Silva gave him.
AKA Trifecta = Fitch > Koscheck > Swick
yeah yeah yeah . . .
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 7, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
Alves.
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by Well Read Idiot on Feb 8, 2010 5:11 AM EST up reply actions
Not watching tape is a liability
Luke has said this plenty of time, but it makes no sense not to watch tape
I can understand a fighter leaving the tape watching to his trainers, but yeah, I agree with this.
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Phil Davis looked very dangerous.
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Word
for his 5th fight and 1st one in the octagon he looked decent
hopefully his striking will improve, I can see the GSP resemblance in the torso/shoulders and the gnp using knees to the body which most fighters seem to forget they can do.
So does this mean GSP is going to move up sooner than we thought, now that Nate’s out of the title picture?
Sorry, he Jason Bourned me.
It would be really interesting to see what GSP can do against a guy like Alan Belcher . . . a BIG middleweight fighter.
yeah yeah yeah . . .
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 7, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Well, Belcher isn’t really known for his take down defense. Okami/GSP seems like a great first middleweight fight for Georges. He’s big, strong, and a great wrestler. Georges would probably want to keep it standing.
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hey man, Chael Sonnen isn’t really known for being as well-rounded as Marquardt but that didn’t seem to bother him. Belcher is definitely fine off his back, standing or where ever the fight may go.
I just hope that they don’t automatically give GSP a title shot against Silva if he decides to move up.
yeah yeah yeah . . .
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 7, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
He will get an immediate shot
That is where the money is. Imagine how much money they lose if they give Georges a lesser fighter in a tune up fight and he gets flashed or something.
The money is with Anderson and that dictates what will happen. Too much mystique is gone if GSP gets beat by an Okami or a Belcher.
Mark it 8 Dude.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 7, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
He will. They gave BJ an immediate title shot when he wanted a rematch at 170 with Rush.
by SubmissionSpecialist on Feb 7, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty happy for Serra, Sonnen shocked the world again, Davis looked promising, and Guillard was able to avoid a brain fart. Pretty bummed out for Trigg, Gracie performing so badly, and Hague losing especially since some people are claiming he got hosed. The Randy performance really wasn’t all that impressive considering his opponent and so much for the fight being closer than people thinking it would be. For me the highlight of the night was the comedy act put on by Rogan and the dudes mopping up the spilled ice. Anyway 110s just around the corner and for now this signals the end of all the “meh” cards at least for now.
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Will someone break down for me what happened with the Tito thing? I saw the fights on the net and haven’t seen anything between Coleman and Tito.
yeah...
Tito yelled something to Coleman during his interview with Rogan after the fight.
Coleman turned around like a confused dog and then said, “fuck you tito” and called him a douche bag into the mic while Rogan was trying to get him to do his interview.
Funny stuff.
One of Coleman's guys had called Jenna a whore during the planned UFC 106 of Tito and Mark.
Jenna and Tito were getting back at him.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 7, 2010 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
to be fair
jenna has sex on camera for money… if that’s not a whore, i dunno what is.
we watch people beat each other up for money, does that make them all thugs? nowadays the word whore tends to have a bigger meaning as someone who does something against their own principles for money. as most porn stars don’t think what they’re doing is morally objectionable, most probably wouldn’t describe themselves as whores.
and even if she does consider herself a whore, it’s still pretty shitty and classless to yell it at her across a room when she has nothing to do with you.
Definitions of whore on the Web:
* work as a prostitute
* have unlawful sex with a whore
* compromise oneself for money or other gains; “She whored herself to Hollywood”
* prostitute: a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money
yeah i’d say she’s a whore… fighters, i don’t think they engage in sexual intercourse for money.
ok, if we really want to nitpick about dictionary definitions i don’t think any of those really fits.
she doesn’t work as a prostitute, to my knowledge an individual can’t just set up an appointment to have sex with her for money.
she doesn’t have unlawful sex with anyone to my knowledge, as the porn industry is, for obvious reasons, pretty heavily regulated in the states.
as i discussed earlier, i doubt she considers what she does a compromise, it’s something she likes doing and pursued.
and lastly a porn star does a lot more than have sex for money, and if you’re going by the hour then having sex probably takes up far less of her work time than makeup, exercise, promotions, production meetings etc. all the stuff other actors have to do.
and that still has no bearing on whether or not it was ok for someone in coleman’s camp to call her a whore the way it evidently went down. coleman is a pathetic old man who should be home rubbing old man rub on his joints instead of pretending to be a fighter. that is also true, but it would have been pretty shitty for someone who had no reason to talk to or about coleman to say it to him in front of a bunch of people.
honestly, i think tito is a douche and jenna looks like all her insides fell out of her vagina a few years ago. but to say it’s ok for some random asshole to call her a whore and embarrass her in publice cause, you know, she like, totally is, is kind of pathetic.
Because it’s more fun to call a whore a whore than to be all respectful. She’s a pornstar, not someone who deserves respect. if she wanted respect she would have found something respectable to do with her life, instead, she chose to get plowed for cash. just because it’s filmed for our amusement doesn’t make any more respectable.
And seriously, you’ve seen the company that Coleman keeps….did you expect anything less from these guys?
if you gonna marry someone that sucks **** for money and gets ****ed in the ass for money don’t be surprised when someone calls her a whore, oh and it was Colemans manager that said the shit, and it was in retaliation for Tito saying Coleman pussed outta their fight, faking injury.
by kanodogg on Feb 7, 2010 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
K Krush
while I do agree with you on your statements about Jenna not being a whore, I disagree with you calling Mark Coleman a pathetic old man and telling him to rub old man rub on his joints. The man paved a big path for other fighters so if he wants to keep fighting, let him fight. Show respect. And Coleman didnt say that to Jenna, so Tito is the dick here.
by SubmissionSpecialist on Feb 7, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
UFC 109 was always an OK to WEAK card. Why are people so surprised and upset?
UFC 110 + will more than make up for this card.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 7, 2010 3:40 AM EST reply actions
i definitely don't fighter bash, which is a given ban here apparently...
and i don’t bash the writers here either, but the joe rogan bashing in this article is a bit hypocritical to the message of respect from previously mentioned rules. After hearing “virtually identical” 50 times, from goldie, the point about rogan and his commentary just seems a bit null.
It’s not bashing to critique fighters or announcers.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 7, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
i wish everyone who critiques joe rogan's commentating,
could be lucky enough to give it a go themselves.
i guess my overall point was how is Rogan’s “poor” commentating even worth mentioning when Mike Goldberg still has a job?
After re-reading the post, bashing wasn’t the right word. I guess i just think it was criticism with poor taste. Whoever wrote a follow-up right after this article words basically said the same thing, but in a more classy sense. I think it was Brent actually.
If i say mark coleman is old and washed-up and looks awful in the cage, it’s the same thing as saying he should retire. But one sounds much more disrespectful than the other.
Tito explains his beef with Coleman at UFC 106. He's such a bitch.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 7, 2010 3:58 AM EST reply actions
tito's interview talks just bore me anymore...
it’s just not interesting anymore when your words are more effective than your fighting.
Tito’s like Sonnen without all the hilarious trolling.
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- Rogan probably just had an off night (Though the ice thing was hilarious)
- The first 2 rounds of Maia Miller were closer than the score or breakdowns would suggest
- The Chael Sonnen Trollwagon is taking off
- Coleman-Couture just looked sad
- I hope with all my heart Trigg retires and takes over Shamrocks job in the SF broadcast
- Thiago just BOPE’d Swick
A good enjoyable event, people shouldn’t be so dissapointed about the card, it was solid card on paper, and it played out that way
-I had Guillard losing and anytime he doesn’t it disappoints me
-I think Rogan had a bad night because Melvin’s balls were in his mouth all night. Seriously, what is with the love for this guy?
-Danzig’s days are numbered in the UFC. And he still looks small at 155.
-Gracie was very disappointing.
-Sonnen is a great wrestler, but beyond that he did little damage. Vitor or Anderson will wreck him.
-Paulo is the AKA killer. I would love to see a rematch with Fitch, their first fight was good and very close.
-Coleman looked awful and I have never been a fan of his…until he popped off to Tito! That was freakin awesome!
-maia is great, but how can you not love the Miller boys? Damn those guys are scrappy!
-Night was pretty boring overall, but you won’t get a great show every time out. No bug deal, but between this and SF:Miami, I need an exciting fight card asap!!!
dude i’m gonna call bullshit on thiago and fitch’s fight being very good.. that was the definition of a snoozefest
What???
Fitch giving Thiago little wrist shots to the side while he waits for Thiago to let go of a guillotine is snoozefest???
I still like Fitch, but he can be pretty boring sometimes with all his effective smothering. He needs to take a page from Sonnen or GSP.
A few things..
Nate being called overrated is presumptuous. Any time a fighter loses the lynch mob is out for them and it is always really sad to see. Marquardt is a great fighter, Sonnen is a one-dimensional TQ fighter and that one dimension is Nate’s weakness. Nate intended to work his improved standup against Sonnen, which is fine, except for the fact that Sonnen spends very little time standing and will shoot for takedowns until it is on the ground where he is comfortable. Sonnen is another one-dimensional guy from TQ who had a fight against a guy who doesn’t work well off of his back. ’Nuff said.
The streaming thing.. I’m with you. First of all, if you want to snuff out piracy, give fans an option. If the Yahoo! stream is going to suck as much as it does, make it cheaper. A regular PPV broadcast is 45 and HD is 50, why is the Yahoo! stream 45? Watching something on your computer as opposed to a larger television is less than stellar and always will be. This is essentially charging a premium price for the lowest end product. 20 bucks for an internet stream that works would be aces and they’d be able to stamp out a lot of the piracy issues. They’d probably actually make MORE money off of the internet streams than they do charging full price as many fans want to do the honest thing but with 13 PPVs a year it is difficult. To get every UFC PPV that is about 600 dollars a year.
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Good call on the streaming, I’m surprised this hasn’t been said more. But ultimately what they’ll do is make the broadcast more expensive and leave the stream where it is. The thing about streaming is that you can’t really share it with others, like broadcast, I typically go into it with two or three others. Streaming would just be me, but I’d gladly pay if it was an affordable option as opposed to a premium priced average option.
You could hook a VGA cable up to your TV?
I’m also wondering why you guys get the Yahoo stream instead getting straight from UFC.com? Is there some advantage?
by HarmlessNinja on Feb 8, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
- Good job by Melvin Guillard against a tough guy. More time with Jackson’s will only make him better, especially on the mental side of things.
- Phil Davis did what most people expected. Stann will need to work on his game off his back, but to be honest there aren’t a whole lot of people I can think of who get out from under Davis.
- Maia’s has striking definitely improved, and Dan Miller was probably a good guy to show that off with, but he should have started going for the sub finish earlier. I was impressed by Miller’s takedown defense, given how easily Maia has taken down others, including a high level wrestler in Sonnen. Part of this may have been Maia’s desire to stand though.
- Sonnen was very impressive against Marquardt. I said before the fight that I thought Marquardt would pull it out, but that Sonnen had a very good shot given his Olympic-caliber wrestling and Marquardt’s fight record. Sonnen’s weakness is submission defense, but Nate has not had a submission off his back since his Pancrase days and even then they were few and far between. What surprised me was how easily Chael got the takedowns. I figured Marquardt would be able to stuff enough of them to land the strikes he needed. We saw what Nate’s elbow did and how much hurt he put on Sonnen in that short flurry before the end of the fight. Chael looked absolutely blasted in the locker room and Marquardt looked devastated. Great guts shown by both guys.
- Following up Marquardt/Sonnen was a tough calling and the main event fell predictably short. Coleman’s words to Tito almost made up for his performance. That was gold!
Pretty decent card overall.
I knew I missed something. Serra did what he does and having followed all his vlogs only made it better. It’s hard to say who he fights next though. Dustin Hazelett maybe? I think that’d be fun if Serra promised not to hit him.
Props to Beltran for taking the fight on a week’s notice, but Gracie is best left unmentioned. Renzo probably kicked his ass today.
by HarmlessNinja on Feb 8, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
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