graciefighter.com - "Our camp has been contacted by a representative of Jose Canseco in regards to his desire to fight former NFL player, Herschel Walker, in a future Strikeforce show. We have agreed to train Canseco should this matchup happen."
"After having produced 3 of the current Strikeforce Champions, we are confident we could make Canseco into a formidable opponent for a future Canseco vs Walker fight."
HT: twitter.com/josecanseco , graciefighter.com, cagewriter.com
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ooooohhhhh SNAP
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by Tonley on Feb 5, 2010 6:18 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I hope Coker stays away from this at all costs.
Walker is one thing, but Canseco is nothing but a parasite and leech.
by Michael Hatamoto on Feb 5, 2010 6:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Canseco is desperate for cash due to many bad decisions
That’s all this is. He’s looking for anyway to make $$$ that he can find, and if getting his ass kicked by Herschel makes him $20,000 or so, he’ll do it.
I have no doubt he’ll try hard and try to learn. I also have no doubt he doesn’t really belong in MMA at his age, physical condition and level of (non) training.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
I see something different
I see him throwing a jab or two and then “injuring” his knee. Hope they don’t give him a flat fee this time.
Oh it gets worse
52 year old ESPN analyst and former Lions GM Matt Millen now wants to get into mma.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/02/04/matt-millen-would-love-to-try-mma/
I’m all for the sport getting more coverage in the mainstream, however, I dont want this sport to be turned into a slide show act and have these freaks get the attention.
Right now it seems that mma is becoming the next WWE. Not taken seriously but gets attention when a ex-football star, youtube sensation, or some other guy who has a large following gets involved. A lot like when Mike Tyson or Floyd Mayweather or football stars are at WWE events.
Everyone wants to be a MMA fighter...
until they get punched in the face the first time.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
One of these days one of these folks aren’t going to be fed a can and it will stem this tide. Don Frye, take care of this Matt Millen, eh?!
Hold it at Ford Field, charge $50 a seat...
and you’d have a sell-out among Lions season ticket holders.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
first sell out theyd have had in a long time.
and, nazi.
by Austin Martin on Feb 5, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I thought I'd cleared that up last time.
Nice memory, though. Not like I post here that often.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
haha hard to forget “duck,” especially ones with ties to fascism. (jk)
by Austin Martin on Feb 5, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Still, well played.
Sad part is, that’s my legal last name. :(
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
There's just no winning for me on this.....
You guys are good.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
He's really taking this seriously
I heard he’s actually going to change his first name to Rosé.
by ufc4 on Feb 5, 2010 6:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
In the US, you never go full freak show.
Bobby Lashley vs. Wes Sims: Looks like a freak yes, squash match maybe, but freak show? Nuh uh.
Herschel Walker vs. Nagy: Great athlete, took his training seriously. Got a can, but still put his time in. Not a freakshow.
Canseco vs. Walker? That’s going full freak show man. You never go full freak show. You don’t buy that? Ask Alabama Pride. Remember? Went full freak show, event collapsed.
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by pdl on Feb 5, 2010 6:34 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
disagree. jack blacks heroin rants and ben stiller loving to play the dushebieg saved that film. downey was fantastic though.
by Austin Martin on Feb 5, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Jack Black almost ruined that movie, Cruise and Downey were outstanding.
by ufc4 on Feb 5, 2010 11:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Robert Downey Jr. MADE that film
Pump your brakes, kid, that man’s a national treasure.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
^this
The fact that I forgot that he was a batshit crazy android was amazing.
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That movie was an epic fail
Be like water..
by theredoctober on Feb 5, 2010 9:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I rather enjoyed it myself.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
I thought it was pretty funny, but mostly just the Downy Jr stuff. The full retard line was perfect. I never forgot it. Tom Cruise’s act was pretty predictable and overrated. Just act like a really crazy CEO. It was a great idea, but Tom doesn’t deserve any credit for it. I thought, if anything, he overdid it. The SNL sidekick was way better I thought. The rest of the movie was mostly predictable chuckles. Downey turned it into a potential cult classic.
As a Member of the Stockton Gracie camp
And of course without any of you knowing who I am specifically. Let me say right now that I am appalled that Cesar would even consider being a part of this side show. And myself as well as some other members have said unequivocally that we will not be training or sparring/rolling with Mr Canseco should this ridiculous idea come to fruition. And yes this includes some big names.
Don't be scared homie...
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That doesn't make your point hard enough methinks
Coming from a serious hater of the entire concept of this fight, you should actually roll and spar with him.
Just treat him like you take this sport seriously :)
From your point of view maybe thats a good idea
But I never roll with someone with the intent of punishment, revenge or a grudge, that would be childish. We are better served by not acknowledging him at all.
Awwwwww!!!
You never let us have any fun.
All facetiousness aside, I deeply and truly thank you for your stance on this, man. And thanks to those at the camp too.
by asa on Feb 6, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Update
When Gracie and Black told the Canseco representatives what was involved. IE; the training regimen, time required and more importantly the COST the representative stated that Canseco “scoffed”.
Also, Strikeforce own Mike Afromowitz stated that regardless of how much people hype it up and regardless of how much Twittering Canseco does, that they have no interest in putting together such a match and it will not happen.
This is actually becoming more of a showcase for camps. Reason AKA took on Walker? Show what they could do with an untrained athlete in 8 weeks. Evidently Cesar Gracie thinks he can do better.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Jose’s not trying to get this into a reality show deal. If that “Chasing Jose” article someone linked to in another article, woldn’t be at all unlike him…
They’ll find out just how unreliable Canseco is. He won’t show up to training times if they aren’t set by him and even if they are he’ll probably only go to about 50% of them..
I know I posted it before but if you haven’t read Chasing Jose it’s a pretty enlightening read to show you just how big of a dbag he really is…. http://deadspin.com/372409/chasing-jose-by-pat-jordan
Classic
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by Damon O. on Feb 5, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I don't understand this pic
Are they talking about Ankleball and Elbowegg?
by ufc4 on Feb 6, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No no, he's comparing the sport where guys dive on purpose vs the one where someone has to run up knock them down.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
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Canseco's tweet.
Absolutely hilarious to read some of the “blogs” & their “Expert” opinions. Funny, they say no one cares, yet they all write about me.
He doesn’t get it.
Please don't let this happen.
Canseco wore sweatpants for his last fight. He’s given up on life.
Let Herschel do this own thing. He’s representing the sport well. Don’t need to mix him up with Jose the Clown.
I specializes in grammar fail.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 5, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Man trainwreck all over it.
I bet Cesar Gracie is thinking what the fuck here. Lets hope Nick goes too hard in sparring.
Bruce Lee says...
Learn the hardest first.
Circus shows like Jose should have to fight absolute destroyers for no money to prove themselves. I thin having to fight someone near the top of the division would shut his mouth pretty damn fast.
by Daveyboy on Feb 5, 2010 11:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Jose is a black belt in TKD, just like Walker right?
And also a former pro athlete. This fight is perfect.
No one wants to see Walker fight a real fighter anyway. This fight has to happen. It just has to.
fin
You can’t come back after that lol.
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That was weird, I sat down at the computer and Bruce Almighty
was on in the background when Morgan Freeman first appeared right as I looked at this.
I agree
Everyone says they dont want to see this fight,That is what i say also, but in reality how can u resist? Everyone will want to watch out of curiosity, guaranteed. Especailly if it is on the same card as Fedor
No... the only freakshow-ish natured fight that they can/should logically make:
VS. 
that way it satisfies everyone’s lame arguments of “i bet you’d still watch”, without making a mockery of the sport.
.
PS
I’d watch two women having an MMA fight in an octagon full of jello, but it doesn’t mean it’s a legit fight, nor should a major MMA promotion do it.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 6, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Ya, a power ranger wouldn't
make a mockery to the sport to the uneducated mainstream sports media. Imagine average non-mma fan following Joe seeing that headline, my lawd. To channel my inner Ocho – Child Please.
Gotta be real if you wish to respond to me, friend.
That power ranger fight would be a punchline on ESPN laughed off with half the overall coverage but twice the negative coverage, where Walker vs Canseco would be a legitimate curiosity to mainstream media and would attract a lot of attention. Eyeballs are what is important, and the merits of MMA in itself would do the rest. Load the card with Fedor, and action packed fights with guys like Le and Manhoef with exciting styles. Kimbo was a freakshow, but tons of people continue to tune into see him, and I assure you more than a few MMA finatics have been created since then.
A fight like this brings in curious eyes from the baseball and football communities, and would have SBnation.com blogs about those sports busy with coverage that wouldn’t be there otherwise.
People like Tony Kornheiser are going to think what they think. MMA haters aren’t going to hate the sport any more or any less because of stuff like this.
Besides, it’s better than peeing in fruit, creating a reality show around a youtube brawler, or handing a shot to a 2-1 pro-wrestler who is 1-1 in the company to fight a near 50 year old man half his size. That made a mockery of the sport much more than what is clearly a sideshow and intented to be nothing more. (And are any of the UFC’s freakshows proven bad for the sport? Hell no)
Why are we so worried about what the unwashed think anyway?
Unless you’re concerned about making a mockery of the sport in the tiny little sher-blog bubble we internet mma-aficionado exist in?
Please.
Do you actually think they’re dumb enough to over looked what he has done, during and after his “power ranger career”?
Sixth Degree Karate Black Belt
2003 World Karate Union Hall of Fame
2003 Master of the Year(American Karate)
2006 "Ruff Man" Grand Champion
2006 Gold Medal (MTIA) Master Toddys Full contact Muay Thai
Has his own MMA apparel line
Trains with UFC fighters
Gracie Barra Blue Belt
1-0 in MMA
and more importantly, serious about the sport, and NOT IN IT FOR A QUICK BUCK.
What’s canseco got? a name? …and?
Kimbo, Herschel, and Jason David Frank > Canseco because they are actually serious about the sport and they actually TRAIN. Comparing them to a joke like Canseco is just silly and ignorant.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 6, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, I do think most people
are dumb enough to ignore all those well-known and prestigious championships and acolades and see him as just a power ranger.
Or maybe I am wrong and they’d be smart enough to youtube him getting rocked and winning a very weird ass fight where his opponent didn’t finish him twice, and write off all that pseudo-mcdojo/toughman junk for what it is.
It would probably be a mix of both.
Jason David Frank is a freakshow himself and a pretty mediocre mixed martial artist. Just one a lot less marketable, and a lot more embarrassing for Strikeforce.
I'm not trying to bash what JDF has done as a martial artist
but don’t over sell all that stuff for more what what it is. JDF wouldn’t last two fights in the UFC or Strikeforce.
and Canseco will?
legit MMA fighter serious about the sport, or Canseco? hmm.. I am not overselling JDF, but he is leaps and bounds greater, and more dedicated than Canseco will ever be… and you can take shots on how “bad” JDF looked in his debut fight, but he showed he can take a punch, and finished by omoplata. What has canseco done? run away from Choi, and get beaten down?
and no, SF doesn’t think Canseco is more marketable.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 6, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
Ya that picture is nice and all
But Jose vs Walker has been all over ESPN. Dana himself even ranted on it at the press conference today.
In the universe you live in, where “making a mockery of the sport” is some crime or whatever and should be avoided, perception is reality. In this case JDF vs Walker would be a power ranger vs an aged football star, and Canseco vs Walker would be an absolutely hated pro-athlete vs a universally beloved pro-athlete.
People would line up in droves to see Walker smash Canseco. The entire Inside the NFL panel said as much yesterday.
See things for what they are. Don’t impose MMA nerd sher-blog values onto a situation where they wouldn’t exist, like sports media or the so called “casual follower”, especially if you’re concerned about “mockerys” or the sport’s perception.
You may retreat, but not before admitting
there is merit to what I am saying.
Just because you don’t want this fight, doesn’t mean America and ESPN wouldn’t get the f*ck off on it.
Well, I didn't expect it but...
It appears that in your own way, you have admitted my argument has merit, or “in” as you put it,
Your retreat is fully granted.
War Jose vs Walker in April on CBS.
Besides, what would feel worse post fight to us and everyone else?
Walker standing over a bloodied Canseco, or Hershal Walker losing to a former Power Ranger?
Jose battered and bruised by Walker would be the first time the mainstream public really became invested in a fight and gratified by it’s outcome.
Walker losing to a power ranger would be uncomfortable to everyone.
No comparison. Conseco is a roided out has-been who’s looking for a quick paycheck and Walker is a well respected athlete that’s fighting because he wants a challenge. Pretty sure Jose’s black belt was bought at Wal-Mart. Also…
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The problem with this is that Jose Canseco has been seen as a joke since he retired from baseball. Everyone scoffed at his book at first, and even though it was true, the Surreal Life the celebrity boxing, the super hulk, and the way it always seems like he has a grudge when he’s been telling more “truth” about roids in basbeall make everyone percieve him as a joke. So even if his TKD credentials are legit, and even if he puts in the time with Gracie, a fight with him is going to come off as joke and complete spectacle.
Doesn't matter. Jose's antics are the kind stuff sports radio has been built on.
What better way to get coverage for “Strikeforce” and “MMA” than this. All we hear about now is “Ultimate Fighting”, Kimbo and Lesnar.
TKD black belts are F’n easy to get. I watched my 15 yr old overweight sister-in-law get one. She was no elite athlete.
I would politely request that BE stop publishing Jose’s tweets. You’re only feeding into this and making this fight somewhat of a possibility by giving it attention.
I say this because I sincerely want him to go away.
You and I know
TKD isn’t even a real martial art anymore in the US, but America doesn’t know that.
If Jose has a real or fake blackbelt, that really wouldn’t matter, and would give the “fight” the bare minimum of “legitimacy” it needs.
SF: Fight isn't happening
Strikeforce officials said they’re not interested in this fight. Got an e-mail from Mike Afromowitz earlier this afternoon that said SF won’t put this fight together.
by Michael Hatamoto on Feb 6, 2010 2:28 AM EST reply actions
Good for them.
I didn’t think they were dumb enough to do it anyway.. Now can all forget about Canseco? He makes James Toney look serious about MMA. haha. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 6, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
If Jose remembers to keep hyping the fight, there is an off chance someone will make it. Unfortunately.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Feb 6, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions
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