UFC 109 Preview: Bloody Elbow MMA History Judo Chop: Mark Coleman Unleashes Ground and Pound at UFC 10
There are many skeptics questioning Hall of Famer Mark Coleman's worthiness to headline UFC 109. He's too old, too one-dimensional, too poorly conditioned, not a serious contender, etc etc.
But no one was saying that in in 1996 when Mark Coleman made his UFC debut in one of the last eight man tournaments the UFC held.
Here's what Sergio Non said about the final fight of Mark Coleman's UFC debut:
Video cameras previously recorded a few instances of fights won with punches on the ground — Rickson Gracie's beatdown of Hugo Duarte on the beach comes to mind — but ground-and-pound as a distinct fighting style in modern MMA started with Coleman's debut at UFC 10.
The hulking All-American from Ohio State University continued down the wrestling path blazed by Dan Severn and added a barrage of punches, elbows and headbutts to brutalize opponents on the mat. Coleman bulldozed through the tournament field and capped it off with a pummeling of tough guy Don Frye that would qualify as first-degree assault if it happened outside the cage. Referee John McCarthy stopped the fight at the 11:11 mark after it became clear that the bloodied and bruised Frye could no longer offer any meaningful resistance.
Here's my take from last summer's top 50 MMA fights in History series:
This fight introduced the term "Ground and Pound" to the MMA universe. Coleman wasn't the first wrestler with serious amateur credentials to enter the UFC, that honor goes to Dan Severn. But Coleman was the first wrestler to combine his finely honed position control skills with a brutal and relentless striking attack on the ground. Watching him roll over Don Frye in the tournament finals, at a time when Don Frye's wrestling/boxing combo was state of the art left no doubt that a new era of MMA history had dawned. Still a fun fight to watch.
We talked last week about the "Coleman Rule", aka the prohibition on head butts in sanctioned MMA. It's a good rule for fighter safety, but I think of all the changes between the old No Holds Barred days and today's Unified Rules, it has the most impact on the ground game -- jiu jitsu doesn't really have a good answer for an attacker with good ground control who's willing and able to land a lot of mean headbutts.
Let's look at some gifs in the full entry.
Matt McEwan's review of UFC 10 from 411 Mania has a good narrative of the fight to put the gifs in context:
Coleman shoots right off the bat and Frye sprawls only to have Coleman squirt out the side and take his back. Frye manages to gain guard, but eats a bunch of shots. There looks to be a lot of submission openings, but Frye's one weakness is not seeing or capitalizing on them. To my untrained eyes, there looks to be good shots at armbars and chokes left open by Coleman's attack. Instead, we get Coleman raining down big blows.
Frye eventually gets to feet courtesy a sloppy head crank
by Coleman. Both guys look exhausted though as they start throwing on their feet. Coleman eats a punch but is able to take Frye down again. He lands more punches and opens Frye up enough that McCarthy stops to the fight to take a look at it. Big John takes the time to tell Frye to do something. Meanwhile, Coleman is exhausted, leaning over with hands on his knees and his head against the fence.
On the restart, Coleman can not even keep hi hands up. Frye shoots this time but can not finish the takedown, as Coleman reverses it and ends up on Frye's back again. Elbows to the base of the neck set up a choke attempt, but Frye manages to roll into the top position. Coleman, while exhausted, is so strong he is able to simply stand up and lift Frye over his shoulder. Frye manages to hold the cage, otherwise he would have been brutally slammed here. Instead, Coleman ends up on top and lands a few more punches on the ground and is able to clear guard into side control. McCarthy pulls Coleman off after a couple of headbutts and the fight is over. Coleman finishes off his impressive debut by handing Frye his first loss and becoming the UFC X tournament champion.
Couple of things to note. In the first gif, watch the smoothness of Coleman's double leg. Frye is tired by that point after sustaining a lengthy beating on the ground, but still had a very quick sprawl. Coleman's shot off of ducking a punch is so fluid that Frye can't even get an underhook in to slow down the takedown.
Next note that Frye's guard wasn't terrible. He's got his knees high up in Coleman's armpits and, in the second gif, manages to use his right leg to create enought space between them to end the barrage of right hands Coleman was pounding him with.
And lastly, in the third gif, note how Coleman follows up a series of right hands with a nasty little headbutt to the chin that seems to really daze Frye. Coleman even leaves his feet to put everything into that headbutt. He's able to do that because he's established such a technically sound base by spreading his feet so far apart and standing up on his toes. It takes incredible skill and conditioning to maintain top control while battering someone, especially and experienced wrestler/judoka like Don Frye.
At the time, my understanding of the nuances of wrestling technique was nil so I simply thought that Coleman's size and strength were the key elements in his attack. Looking back, I see the fingerprints of a highly trained, extremely skilled martial artist.
Coleman had some ups and downs in his long career, but his PRIDE Grand Prix win in 2000 showed that his early run of success in the UFC was no fluke.
The last gif just lingers on exactly how brutal skull to skull contact can be.
Here's a good highlight reel of Coleman back in the day.
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Reading this article makes me wish that they would bring headbutts back into the mix.
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If you want someone to die in the Octagon, sure.
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The forehead is the hardest part of the Human Skull (save for teeth)
That slamming down into someones nose could easily cause horrifying damage. That’s like hitting someone with a wooden mallet.
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Someone has died in boxing....with their fists wrapped with bigass padded gloves. Take that under advisement.
Besides, Randy Orton soccer kicks ppl all the time so they don’t count.
Closer quarters
Throwing a headbutt 8 inches away is going to be far more accurate than a Soccer Kick or Stomp to the head. Landed around the eye, it’s a crushed orbital bone. Landed on the nose, that could cause a myriad of serious injuries. Just because something hasn’t happen, doesn’t mean it won’t. If headbutts were still legal and fighters trained to use them as more efficient weapons, they’d be lethal.
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They’re brutal and effective.
But like I said, no one’s more likely to die from a headbutt than from any other strike in a professional event.
If fighters trained them more to use as efficient weapons, more guys would have to train to defend against them.
You're missing the point, so I'm going to stop.
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When I worked as a bouncer, we obviously weren’t supposed to “hit” the clientelle, but sometimes you ended up just fighting your ass off. But the one and only thing that we were never, ever to do was headbutt. Why? Because it was the equivalent of hitting someone in the face with a bat, because it was almost guaranteed to smash teeth out or open up a four inch long cut, and because it literally could kill if you hit the nose at the wrong angle or the temple or even directly in the middle of the forehead with enough force. Headbutts are a terrible weapon. They don’t exist in MMA for the same reason that eye gouging, fish hooking, and groin shots don’t: they’re disfiguring, brutal and potentially lethal.
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by AJB on Feb 5, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
for anyone who comes here in the future
the three things he mentions at the end are not lethal at all, but gruesome and just plain mean.
by asa on Feb 5, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough, I worded that badly.
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by AJB on Feb 5, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt a headbutt is more damaging than a thai kick to the head, or soccer kicks to the head on the ground. I think it was banned more based on the perception that head butts are “dirty tactics” than any real research. How much force can some one generate with a head butt compared with other strikes?
That is probably why they were banned
but that doesn’t mean that someone wasn’t going to get pieces of his nose fired up into his frontal lobe.
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An incredible amount. Partially because of the density of the bone, more force is transfered to the target than from most other strikes; then consider that a headbutt is usually delivered to an opponent wh oliterally cannot move out of the way or defend, and if they’re on the ground, they will take even MORE of the force because their head can’t even move backwards on contact.
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by AJB on Feb 5, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Question: Is Don Frye one of the toughest mothers to ever step foot in the cage walk the earth?
yes
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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 5, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Question: Is Don Fryeone ofthe toughest mothersto everstep foot in the cagewalk the earth?
Not neccesarily but he’s up there w/ Chuck Norris, Chesley Sullenberger, Dirty Harry, the chick from Ft. Hood, and the Belmont Family
If you have any doubts, watch his fight with James Thompson, he gets beat mercilessly and refuses to go down
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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 5, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I still think Christopher Walken beats everyone on that list.
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
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Did you see Don Frye in.....
the movie Public Enemies? Hes one of the assassins of John Dillenger at the end. I recognize that mustache anywhere. lol
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Mo Smith’s guard work against Coleman, when headbutts were still legal, was very nice and was some of the best defensive work seen at that time.
Coleman got an initial flurry on Mo right after the opening bell, but no real damage with the GNP. After that, Mo used a butterfly guard, overhook of one arm, and his other arm with palm up to defend headbutts. He took little damage, got Coleman to sit low in his guard, used the butterfly hooks to off-balance Coleman, and actually landed some damaging elbows off his back (to Coleman’s head). At the time, this was absolutely shocking, since many thought Mo lacked any ability to defend off his back vs. The Hammer.
I wrote up that fight
a while back, it’s here, agree about the technical acumen of Mo’s guard work. Perhaps should correct my post about the guard not having an answer for the head butt.
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Agreed. BJJ has an answer, they just hadn’t been asked the question yet.
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
by judonerd on Feb 5, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they should bring back headbutts
I’ve watched UFC since the first ones, and headbutts were always a cool and useful weapon. They banned them not due to the danger, but because of their ability to create “a bloody mess”, thus ending the fight due to cuts, too quickly. I’ve never seen anyone get badly damaged from a headbutt, even with mark colemans massively buff neck propelling his bead into their face. I’ve definitely never seen anyone get knocked out from headbutts, but I HAVE seen terrible knockouts from high kicks…so to all of you saying headbutts are too dangerous I think you need to rethink exactly what “dangerous” means to you.
Headbutts would change things around in some really interesting ways. Besides the obvious GnP application, especially in the guard, they are also really useful when standing in the clinch. Remember when royce headbutted kimo in the clinch against the cage? Guys like randy etc. who like to underhook opponents against the cage could do wonders with headbutts while standing.
So, until headbutts are proven to be more dangerous than high kicks or even muay tai knees, then I am calling bullshit on the “too dangerous” status of headbutts.
Sorry, you’re wrong. They’re incredibly dangerous. And frankly, the fact that we’d be seeing cut stoppages much more frequently with headbutts is enough reason on its own; as it is, there’s debate over whether or not elbows cause too many cuts, and they’re nowhere near as bad as headbutts.
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by AJB on Feb 5, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
So by your logic everything should be allowed. Small joint manipulation? Why not, it’s less dangerous than a heel hook. Groin shots? Why not, Joe Son was able to rape someone after taking a few shots to the junk. Hair pulling?
by dancingChicken on Feb 5, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I take it you've never seen the results of a well placed headbutt.
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Attention Kid Nate (or any of the BE staff)
Do you think it would be possible to get a Judo Chop type post about illegal strikes and why they’re illegal (i.e. Soccer Kicks, Stomps, Headbutts, 12 to 6 elbow strikes)?
Sorry, don’t mean to take away from the very informative piece on the Godfather of GnP.
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Kiyah!
I know the history behind the 12 to 6, but I think it’d be very beneficial to some of the less informed readers.
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that is a great idea
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by Kid Nate on Feb 5, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
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If they're so dangerous
Lets see the evidence? Show me examples of how headbutting is more dangerous than a high kick, knee, or even left hook? How many times has someone been knocked out with any of those strikes? How many times did headbutts knock someone out? All I see is people saying “they’re dangerous, so there!” but with nothing to back it up.
Small joint manipulation and groin strikes aren’t illegal due to dangerousness, but due to the “dirtiness” of them. Small joint manipulation was the first thing banned in the ancient olympics because it was perceived as a cheap-ass way of getting an opponents hands off of you. Groin strikes have always been considered dirty. Also, neither of them are very dramatic and seeing someone win by twisting a finger or punching someones balls would only get boos. I doubt headbutts would get boos and actually would just add more diversity to the range of attacks a fighter has. A head is just another appendage, like a foot or hand, to attack with.
And this bull about the 12-6 elbow strike somehow being more dangerous than any other strike is silly. For those who dont know what the 12-6 elbow is, it is an elbow strike that goes straight down as opposed to crosswise. The story is, when the rules were being made for the UFC, one of the rulemakers saw one of those karate brick-breaking competitions and thought that those types of elbows were too powerful. The silly thing about that is, brick-breakers use cross-wise elbows AND fists to break bricks too. Randy Couture even mentions that during one of his commentator stints, that it was a sort of an arbitrary decision to ban those types of elbows but allow others and that they are both just as dangerous as each other.
I cant provide facts but
it takes a serious amount of skill to land a head kick and KO someone. Kneeing a grounded opponent is illegal so not very many KOs with knees (Sanchez vs Riggs) is one of the few I know of. Knees to a grounded fighter is very very devastating, watch some PRIDE fights and you will see why.
Headbutts can be landed by anyone with no skill involved. Secondly, when someone from mount headbutts a fighter there is no give, the skull eats the impact. While a KO might not occur, it is VERY easy to fracture the orbital bone, jaw and even skull.
During “incidents” I have seen, many KOs result in the person clearing his cob webs with no serious side effects. I have also witnessed a headbutt that didn’t drop a person but resulted in a skull fracture requiring surgery.
I think kicks, elbows and punches provide more of a shut off the ole brain for 10 seconds where the heatbutt doesn’t flip the switch but does incredible damage to the bones in the face.
How do we establish what is dirty and what is not? If initiate Thai clinch and you gonna smash my fucking nose with a headbutt, is that dirty? Or if I’ll get your back and try to work on a RNC and you gonna smash my fucking nose by slamming your head in my face, is that dirty. It’s certainly more dramatic than twisting fingers to loosen grip, but isn’t it a cheap ass way to escape certain positions?
I personally don’t give a shit how dangerous headbutts and other moves are. But like John Cleese said “…maybe I don’t know anything about art, but I know what I like”, and I certainly don’t like to watch two lazy bums slamming their’s heads against each other.
Headbutt is an easy “go to” move when you don’t know what to do. It’s a little bit like with ground and pound: you hit the mat, you don’t know shit about submissions, so you throw some stupid hammerfists. Imagine, if GnP was illegal, Mark Coleman would actually have to learn submissions and striking in order to compete in MMA. How cool would that be?:)
by dancingChicken on Feb 5, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
You say they can break head/facial bones really easily etc., but show me an MMA fight where headbutts ever did this. Go watch all of the UFCs before headbutting became illegal and see if headbutts ever really turned the tide of a fight in a questionable way or ever seriously hurt an opponent.
And to the guy saying that headbutts are an easy go-to move for an amateur, thats bull. Like above, go watch the old fights when they were legal. Most of those guys suck compared to todays standards, and almost none of them threw headbutts…they didn’t know how or weren’t comfortable with them as effective strikes. So if headbutts are such easy go-to moves, then it follows that all of those guys should have been using them all the time…but that didn’t happen.
As I write this I’m watching the old royce fights on spike and he just used headbutts on gerard gordeau while in the standing clinch and while mounting him. They were effective at throwing him off balance and getting him to turn over, just like any other strike. Gerard’s head didn’t explode, no one died, it wasn’t the end-all move, it was just another weapon in royce’s arsenal to win.
In Pancrase, GnP (with palm strikes) was legal but most fighters didn’t use it. They had an “agreement”. Only if one fighter threw strike on the ground, “it was on”. Bas Rutten could beat the shit out of people since he wasn’t a grappler, but he didn’t. It was an easy go move, but most of them didn’t use it. I believe the same was with headbutts. Nowadays that’s the case with foot stomps. You could also do all kinds of crazy shit with digging your thumbs in someone’s body in order to change somebody’s positions, it’s not illegal, but somehow fighters don’t use it. You can also cover your opponents mouth to interrupt breathing but not many
As for Royce, he was also pulling hair. And he’s known for being “dirty”…
by dancingChicken on Feb 6, 2010 4:57 AM EST up reply actions

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