"Yeah, I worry about Strikeforce all the time. Do you know how long I've been hearing about this? ...No, I don't worry about Strikeforce. Strikeforce is a lower-level show where young, up-and-coming talent and guys who aren't in the UFC can go make some money. It's never going to be more than that, ever."
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Then please dont counter program them, just let a lower level organization grow/fail on its own!
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by vivero on Feb 5, 2010 12:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
thats part of the reason they will never be anything more. UFC takes a big chunk out of the core audience every time they counter why would they stop?
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
well, if they indeed were not worried at all about Strikeforce then they wouldn’t feel the need to counter program
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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 5, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
so Spike should pass up on winning the night on basic cable because of some sense of honor or to make you happy?
by Phildo on Feb 5, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are implying that the only time Spike can win their key demographic is when there is a Strikeforce card on CBS.
Spike wins the ratings any night that TUF is on. I really don’t see the logic behind your statement.
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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 5, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
it’s for bragging rights, something Phildo was against yesterday, now he seems to be for it :p
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The bragging rights are irrelevant in the real world. They may have a purpose to get you and your ilk riled up, but bragging rights between internet fanboys are pointless.
Getting the best ratings on all of cable has meaning, because that leads to spike getting money. Those bragging rights are worthwhile. Beating the other mma company one night doesn’t get you a bonus check.
They get the best ratings every time they air live UFC fights on Spike. EVERY TIME. The only reason to counter program a Strikeforce card is to keep them from growing due to concern of a rival. It is really simple. The notion that they put a card on Spike to counter the CBS because they know the MMA fans will be home is really laughable to me, so I guess if Strikeforce wasn’t on and they put on a UFC Fight Night people are like fuck it, I’m not staying home
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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 5, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
yes, they win every time they put on Spike, and they cause people to stay in to watch UFC cards some times, but why does that mean they should try when SF is putting on a show?
When SF has a show, MMA fans are watching TV. Also, they’re watching TV that doesn’t have the best pacing, and may have fights/announcers that people want to flip away from. If you were spike, and your target audience is sitting at home in front of the TV. Would you air Manswers? Star Wars marathon? rocky marathon? or what they want to see, UFC? If you answer anything but the UFC, you’re going to fail at business. And that’s what this is, business.
Ya ya
The only people who don’t like SF announcers and fights are hardcore internet UFC fans who got into the sport through the UFC and for whatever reason have emotionally invested themselves into the initials on the canvas and cage.
“Objective fight fan” doesn’t give a sh*t.
I strongly disagree...
I am an objective fight fan and I do give a shit about the announcing. Quadros is the creepiest mofo I’ve ever seen. His timing is horrible and for all his supposed MMA knowledge he asks some awkward questions. Frank Shamrock, can’t someone buy this dude some invisalign. Mauro, whatever, at least he sounds like he knows what he’s talking about but he’s still annoying.
The fights are good but they still have a long ways to go with their production.
Mike Golderg and Joe Rogan
tell me about how Travis Lutter is the Michael Jordan of BJJ, how Chris Leben has k1 level striking, and how Paul latex Daley is the best technical striker in the world. Goldberg can barely form a coherent sentence. There are problems with MMA announcing every-where.
On the WEC side, Frank Mir’s obsessions with Faber and Torres are disturbing.
and Gus Johnson haters are nuts. He is great.
Also, I am beyond sick of 2004 UFC production.
The gladiator and numetal have got to go. Strikeforce looks more like a sport and less like a pro-wrestling show sometimes, even with the ramp and fireworks.
Strikeforce production is just fine.
Agreed about the gladiator and music...
but I disagree that Strikeforce looks more like a sporting event. To me, it looks like what it is, a lower level promotion. I think they have some major problems with timing. They have a lot of technical issues with their production also such as switching to the wrong camera/mic. I’ve seen this during UFC shows too but not every show. I’ve worked in TV production and know how hard it is to run a production smoothly so I’m not hating.
As far as announcing goes I’d have to say that Rogan is the best announcer out of everyone that’s been named. He is knowledgeable and speaks clearly and doesn’t offer insane opinions just to hear himself talk, cough, Frank Shamrock, cough. Goldie says some insane shit but is still better than the whole Strikeforce team unless they bring back Pat Miletich. I have no reason why they don’t use him. Frank Mir is awesome but is a little too biased for me sometime, too. As for Gus Johnson, he’s a good announcer but he clearly lacks some knowledge about the sport. I can’t take him serious as an MMA announcer after him flipping out about Kimbo.
Like all MMA announcers, he has to hype the fighter
Not hating on Gus for that. Rogan is great, I agree, but The Voice, Bas and Mauro are just as great too.
Rogan’s been off the wall lately.
You have a major point about the camera direction in the cage. That is the only area Strikeforce is really lagging behind Zuffa in. It took 6 minutes for anyone to even see the AA knockout against Rogers.
That skycam or whatever that shows them fighting from the top looking down has got to go.
True about Gus.
I liked Mauro better in Pride because I think it fit him better. Bas is great and I wish he’d do more. Schiavello (?) is good too but I only hear his commentary on the internet so I am not the best judge of his talent since I’m usually hunched over a computer at work.
I watch every Strikeforce fight and will continue to do so. I like the product they put out and I think they have been getting better, they are just not there yet. The UFC has had a long time to figure out what works and what doesn’t.
Your take is far too logical rational and thought out
for the internet.
Good stuff.
Man, remember early UFC commentary. Jim Brown? yeeeesh.
how do you figure I was speaking of the former? Zuffa wants to have better raitings and so does SF, that does not go against anything I said today nor yesterday.
btw, who am I a fanboy of?
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I didn’t say you were a fanboy. You are just someone who puts way too much emphasis and credit on the bullshit that comes out of promoter’s/fighter’s mouths.
You’ve shown that by getting way too riled up about Sonnen and caring when Spike or Showtime put out press releases saying how they “won” something every night.
I do care what fighters have to say, even if it’s self promotion. half the news are fighter’s quotation, and frankly in the real word if you speak bad of someone to get yourself ahead even though it’s not real, you deserve everything that is coming to you, and so the same goes in the fight world, and I hope Chael gets a beating for it, with his statements being real or not.
You’ve shown that by getting way too riled up about Sonnen and caring when Spike or Showtime put out press releases saying how they "won" something every night.
isn’t that what the UFC does all the time? I’m just pointing the hipocrisy in how people think when it comes from Zuffa, or a competitor.
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What is hypocrisy? It’s stupid when Spike does it, it’s stupid when showtime does it, it’s stupid when strikeforce does it, it’s stupid when zuffa does it, it’s stupid when vs does it, it’s stupid when people get riled up about it. It’s stupid.
lol
well, we can agree on the level of stupidity, but people do get riled up about it, and I am referring to those people (btw, I’m not getting riled up about it myself, I try putting a “:p” in the end of most of my comments to show that I’m not trying to be a dick about things, sometimes stuff I say may come off the wrong way (probably because we’re from different cultures) since a lot of times I get called up on it, but I’m really trying to have a non-heated debate most times) so to end… :p
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The logic is, it would be stupid for spike to not air UFC footage when MMA fans are staying home to watch TV.
I dont necessarily agree w/ this.
Isn’t it better for Spike to air UFC content w/o competition?
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
so they should just air manswers when they know people are home looking to watch mma on tv?
They do better with quality up against competition than shit that no one wants to see.
If you replace manswers with deadliest warrior and I’d probably be totally into that. Show was awesome.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 5, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
You have the answer right here. Spike runs UFC events up against StrikeForce Showtime cards, because that’s the night they get better ratings. Fans of mma who don’t have Showtime are probably looking to get their fix and they are providing the option.
It’s when they run a live show up against a ppv that you know they’re worried.
That’s like saying a caterpillar shouldn’t have to go through a cocoon and try to fight his way out as a butterfly.
If you open a cocoon for a butterfly it dies shortly there after.
Market Forces, ie: competition is a cocoon. If they can make it with the competition then they’ll be the better for it long term. Same thing goes for Zuffa… every one of these organizations that step up makes the business model, strategy, and operations that much better.
by mmalogic on Feb 5, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That is probably the nicest form of criticism I have read from you.
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I had a problem with the butterfly analogy myself. I chose to use a dung beetle having to roll a turd up a hill before consumption. This would be more mmalogical.
Did you see the size of that chicken?
“Yeah, I worry about Strikeforce all the time. Do you know how long I’ve been hearing about this? …No, I don’t worry about Strikeforce. Strikeforce is a lower-level show where young, up-and-coming talent and guys who aren’t in the UFC can go make some money. It’s never going to be more than that, ever.”
→
“Yeah, I spend about 15 minutes each week looking at their schedule. I’ve been doing this for a long time. I plan to ruin my competition in advance. The other promotions, we wait for them to fall and then hand-pick what talent we want from them. We counter-program the shit out of these guys with our established brand name, so that they can never maintain enough momentum to turn a profit. The better we counter-program the faster we can get the guys we want. I’m going to Pinkberry.”
Meanwhile Strikeforce is thinking:
“Dana can think whatever he wants. The fact of the matter is, we got a stable product. Nick Diaz is gonna play the duel role of faux contender for both our WW and MW divisions. Frank Shamrock’s corpse is always available once Jacare takes out Shields. We signed Roger Huerta right? Yea. He can fight Craig Oxley next. Oxley’s a good fighter. Don’t be fooled by his 0-3 record. We’re working on our undercard matchmaking once front offices figure out how to access Fight Finder. The future is bright for us. In a year all of our title holders will have cleaned out their divisions because they’re that good. It has nothing to do with our complete lack of depth. We’re not making the mistake Bellator is making by having proper foresight regarding future prospects. Shamrock/Militech is gonna be huge. Does anyone have Steve Jennum’s number?”
by David Castillo on Feb 5, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions
Ya Bellator is much better than Strikeforce
For a company that holds events every three days for two months, then vanishes again for a year, leaving it’s champions and stars to fight in club circut Indian casino shows. Please spare me. Strikeforce signs new potential stars and marketable fighters all the time. And once this “season” of Bellator is over, both the UFC and Strikeforce/Dream will take what they want.
Ya, Craig Oxley is much better than Lyman Good
What new potential stars? Herschal Walker? Mach “I’d rather be eating BBQ and filming myself cock vomiting inside my wife” Sakurai? Spare me the Pride never Die tears. Strikeforce has some world class number 1 and number 2 fighters, but beyond their champs, the quality takes a nose dive, and they’re doing nothing to alleviate the problem of their absolutely terrible prospect hunt. Bellator is signing guys like Patricio Freire while Strikeforce seems content to hit up whoever the UFC dropped from their contract for “name” value. FIVE fighters had never won a single professional fight on their Miami card. That Walker was one of them is not that problem (in a way). That Joe Ray, John Clarke, David Gomez, and Craig Oxley were, IS.
I think it’s funny how Zuffa gets blasted by jaded fans for giving us a card like UFC 108 despite the massive hit it took from injuries, yet Strikeforce is beyond reproach because hey, they’re new and they gave us Manhoef/Lawler. Bellator is “new” too, but they’re sensible about their future.
Who does Diaz have left after Hieron? Mousasi after Henderson and Mo? Fedor after Overeem? Shields after Henderson/Jacare and vice versa?
I’m not “hating” on Strikeforce (Showtime, who fucked with EliteXC as well, certainly shares an amount of blame). It’s sad that I have to clarify that since this is precisely the habit of many MMA fans with any org. But Strikeforce is an a privileged position, and yet they seem content to squander their undercards, play catch with Dream’s stable, and sign whoever loses their UFC contract. That may be a recipe for success to a bunch of dumb fanboys, but not for a business eyeing a seat next to the UFC throne.
by David Castillo on Feb 5, 2010 5:24 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
One minor correction: Strikeforce is not a new org.
Coker has been putting on shows with Strikeforce for possibly longer than the UFC. They started with Kickboxing and moved to MMA years ago.
They are a new MMA org. Under that logic
Bodog wasn’t a new org either. Promoting MMA and kickboxing is the same?
All great points DavidAC,This is exactly what Jordan Breen said the other day on his show about the problems Strike Force has and will continue to have for the forseeable Future. The Bottom line of what Breen was saying is Strike Force are there own worst enemies and are making no new stars at all or producing any prospects. Bellator is doing exactly what Strike Force should be doing right now. He also made lite on how Showtime is just making horrible horrible decisions on these fight cards.
Why do you keep using Oxley as a misrepresentative example? Why not use Tyron Woodley, Tim Kennedy, Luke Rockhold, Antwain Britt, or the many female fighters that Strikeforce is signing? I admit that their undercards are squandered, but to say they “sign whoever loses their UFC contract” is grossly over-exaggerating. Yes, Strikeforce signed Hendo, Gurgel, and a couple others. However, ex-UFC fighters like Thales Leites, Tamdan McCrory, Tim Boetsch, Denis Kang, Wilson Gouveia, and so many others that are actually quality fighters were NOT signed by Strikeforce. Look, I’m not going to act oblivious to Strikeforce’s faults because there are MANY, but at the same time it’s ridiculous to overstate things with them that are not even issues like “playing catch with DREAM’s stable.”
by chrisbboy82 on Feb 5, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You’re right, because Oxley isn’t really a StrikeForce fighter. Almost none of the prelim fighters are “StrikeForce” fighters. They are local fighters signed to fill out the card. StrikeForce only really worries about filling at the broadcast portion of any card. To save money they book a bunch of locals at 2/2 and 3/3 just to fill all the slots and hopefully help sell some local tickets. So when we talk about an Oxley or Gomex, we aren’t really talking about StikeForce’s roster. But when you are busy trying to mock something, why make a distinction?
Strikeforce signs new guys all the time. And stars are easily created.
Strikeforce is growing their roster at a good clip. They’ve never lost money. Stars are easy to create.
The UFC HW division was entirely created in the last 20 months.
Chael Sonnen has been such a loud mouth lately...
… I nearly forgot about Dana!
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Dana is right. UFC all the way. strikeforce is trash really. im suprised they get so much publicity. kinda sad. talk about Bellator or WEC instead of strikefarce. they are a joke. real talk. They have nothing to offer MMA as a sport.
the funny thing is that on the days of EXC and Affliction, people would talk about how SF is a good company and how they do business (DW included), then they grew a little and now everyone’s ‘spider sensors’ are on high alert and feel the need to diss the company. But you’re wrong about DW, trust me, if he didn’t feel somewhat insecure with SF he wouldn’t be cussing them out like that.
Funny how people are looking at Bellator now as a legit company, hopefully when they grow bigger and get more attention it won’t have the same fate of trash talkers.
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To be fair, Strikeforce's business model has changed since then.
Not only have they decided to compete, albeit on a limited basis, for top level talent, but they have also signed on with several partners (M1, Showtime, CBS) that want to compete with the UFC.
Additionally, they have started to move down the freakshow fight path, which hopefully is limted, but based on the share of control that Coker has apparently handed off to other interests, it is a concerning development.
Without those deals (Showtime + CBS and to a lesser extent M1), they wouldn’t be growing, instead they would have remained a regional company.
As for the ‘freakshow’ aspect, I see none. Freakshows, to me at least, are lopsided fights (such as Fedor vs Zulu), not a 0-0 guy going against a 1-1 guy. If you’re calling Walker a freakshow because of his popularity, than UFC is just as guilty by having Kimbo in their roster (don’t care what anyone says, he’s there for his popularity). If you’re talking about his age, than you should also look at Randy and Coleman as freakshows (in age only, I’m not talking about their skills). Walker may have showed he didn’t have much to offer with the exception of taking down his opponent, but his age did not play a factor in the fight.
And besides, the dude is bringing home some much needed views, how else are they going to get people interested in their cards? They don’t have a Brock Lesnar, they don’t have a Kimbo Slice. Walker is one of the few names they have, they need him until they can make some of their legit fighters into recognizable names and carry cards. And he was in no way an embarrassment to the sport, so I have no problems with him fighting MMA.
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by Orcus on Feb 5, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Record is not the only thing that makes a fight lopsided.
If lopsided makes something a freakshow to you, Nagy Walker and especially lashley Sims are definitely freakshows.
really Razreshat they have moved down the freakshow fight path ? Kind of fooled me with 2 fights on this last show ?
What is more of a freakshow?
Giving a 2-1 pro wrestler a title shot vs your 45 year old champion who is half his size, or giving a 4-0 pro-wrestler a fight with a “cagy veteran”?
betting odds are how you define freakshows?
I could find 100 odds on freakshow fights that were close. Analyze the concepts.
Pedo you appear to be a UFC homer though, so not sure I’ll continue to talk with you. Logical conversations only. Sorry.
I’ll cry that I won’t be able to feed you any more, but I’ll try one more time.
Analyze the concepts?
Instead of looking at the two fights you mentioned the way you did, why don’t we say. 2-1 pro wrestler with a great amateur wrestling against a “cagy veteran” who has made millions by beating people bigger than him or a 4-0 professional wrestler a fight with a guy who is only famous in MMA for getting disqualified and getting crushed in the first round of one of the weakest TUF’s in history?
I’m amused at how you act like you’re somehow “objective” when all you’ve done is make excuses for the shitty parts of the Strikeforce card and take potshots at the UFC, yes, I’m the one that’s a homer.
I am objective
Both were freakshows. One was in an up and coming organization for a minor Showtime card, one was for the HW title in the premier league in the sport.
Again, what was the bigger freakshow?
By the way, I have a right to criticize the UFC all I want, considering I’ve ordered every event in the last year nearly. Paying customers can’t criticize?
The UFC should be held to the higher standard.
We should expect Strikeforce to be on the UFC’s level, and until the UFC stops making us pay for our hobby, they can and should take all the criticism we can muster. Try convincing my cable bill I am a UFC hater.
You're wrong, real talk.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 5, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 5, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
dana has a huge advantage
to most fans the ufc is mma, there are no mma fighters there are only ultimate fighters
strikeforce needs to do alot of work to be honest they have 2 fighters the mainstream press has heard of ones fedor and they’ll only mention him in passing, and the others herschel walker
i give strikeforce another year, if they didnt have fedor anchoring their cbs telecasts they’d be out of business already
Show me one link
or piece of information or anything other than good press about Strikeforce and how they make money. What on earth makes you think they’d be out of business other than Affliction/EliteXC’s demise?
There has never been a single scrap of evidence that says Strikeforce doesn’t make money and isn’t stable.
Strikeforce is doing a lot of things Affliction was doing wrong. They signed a handful of big talent and are paying them big money. Partnering with Showtime has allowed them to do so but now they’re stuck with a few big stars and only a handful of opponents for them to fight with.
Affliction went all in with Fedor and got burned by Barnett.
a handful of big talent is better than none. people start small, and grow slowly.
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by Orcus on Feb 5, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Strikeforce doesn't lose money on shows, nor did they make the PPV mistake
You can’t compare Strikeforce to Affliction, Bodog or these other guys who had no idea how to promote fights. Strikeforce rules.
Fedor is not a good commodity for them...
He is the GOAT, but has zero United States mainstream marketability! Let’s be honest here… He is a Russian superstar with very low to no charisma. They are paying him insane amounts of money but their return of that investment is the eyeballs of the “hardcore” fans that would be watching the events whether he was in them or not! If you thing I am wrong, then go to work tomorrow and ask any randomn person if they like Fedor… They will give you a blank stare and ask who the fuck you are talking about. Trust me, i have tried this.
I think you can ask people at your work if they like GSP and Anderson Silva , maybe even Brock Lesnar – and many wouldn’t know who the hell you’re talking about . Not everyone are into mma.
Fedor got 5.5 mil views on CBS on a card that was mostly about him (forgive me mister Mayhem Miller , I don’t think peopel tuned in for u) . It’s not a huge number but definitely respectable . If Strikeforce can get Barnett or Overeem to fight Fedor after the Werdum fight I’m sure they can pass 6, 6.5 mil easy.
Yes, is this news to anyone? Strikeforce’s champions in most divisions are not even top ten ranked. Their WW title fight was #12 fighting #15. That sounds lower level to me, considering 1-10 are in UFC.
The only place where SF really has a top tier guy is HW. Unfortunately all the other viable HWs are either not in SF or don’t want to fight in SF because they make more cash in K-1.
Strikeforce is paying their headliners 100k, UFC is paying their headliners 300-400k. There is honestly no metric you can measure where Strikeforce is NOT lower level than UFC.
Um, duh?
Does that mean Strikeforce still doesn’t have quality fighters? Every single Strikeforce maincard fight could be on a UFC card, apart from womens fights and the whole Walker thing. Nearly every notable Strikeforce fighter could be in the UFC no problem. And spare me the “they were and sucked” garbage, the UFC cuts and resigns fighters all the time, and anyone in Strikeforce who is successful now has vastly improved where they were.
They’ve been an MMA promoter since what, 2006? Not doing to bad for themselves are they?
Only MMA fans who have been around for three years or less feel threatened or malice towards non-UFC MMA. It never used to be like this. Strikeforce is a geat blooming show with a lot of exciting fighters, and plenty of great shows. Does that mean the UFC isn’t the best? No.
What is wrong with people.
by Wolfgangsta on Feb 5, 2010 4:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“Every single Strikeforce maincard fight could be on a UFC card, apart from womens fights and the whole Walker thing. "
Interesting statement…How many of the past 20+Strikeforce Cards are you talking about?
You have a good point
I am speaking more toward the last year and a half. I am sure you could find a few fights that might not belong in recent memory too, but anything they do now certainly qualifies.
I think people forget how new Strikeforce really is.
Tell that to Brock vs Herring
Or Kimbo vs Houston. Or even Baroni vs Sadollah.
Dana: UFC is the best in the world. Scott: Strikeforce is the best in the world.
What’s the surprise.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 5, 2010 3:26 AM EST reply actions
haha. WHO? I don't know with people anymore.
The UFC is clearly a monster who’s probably going to have it’s best yet ever.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 5, 2010 4:46 AM EST up reply actions
What's the history on this? Promotions have come and gone. UFC stands.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 5, 2010 3:28 AM EST reply actions
Where there not great and legendary fights outside the UFC?
I’d take 2003’s IFC tournament against any other tournament since 2000, including the Pride grand prix.
I meant individual promotions not individual fights.
Of course, there has been great fights outside of the UFC.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 5, 2010 5:28 AM EST up reply actions
sooooooo done
Strikeforce is like that new puppy you keep bringing over to my house that pisses on my floor and chews things up but its ok because he’s a new puppy eventhough this is the fifth time he’s done it. Eventually we have to take the nipple out of strikeforces mouth and let them be critcized by the masses without being considered fanboys
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by II SMASH II on Feb 5, 2010 9:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I’m down with constructive criticism, but there has been a high level of hypocrisy that is coming with a lot of "criticism" (using quotes here as most of them are only assertions) and for those the term “fanboy” does pass through my mind.
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Did we just become best friends?
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by II SMASH II on Feb 5, 2010 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m everyone’s friend, but to everyone, I might not their friend :p
Amigos?
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Si amigos
With a very strict bros before hos rule
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by II SMASH II on Feb 5, 2010 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ha
no worries, I’m already married, so you can have all the girls as there won’t be any competition from me :p
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Just a heads up
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by II SMASH II on Feb 5, 2010 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol any in the kansascity area
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by II SMASH II on Feb 5, 2010 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
what part of KC are you in?
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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 5, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
SF is not a puppy chewing on the UFC. Its more like neighbor dog waiting for leftovers outside the Zuffa house and moves on w/ its life.
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Nah, that’s MFC. They take all the UFC castoffs!
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 5, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I remember when Strikeforce was prretty much well liked and talked about. Now, not so much. It doesnt make sense since they are so much better now.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
I wonder how Dana feels about Marble Slab. Lol
“Listen, Marble Slab sucks blah blah blah. Pinkberry is the NFL of Icecream/Frozen Yogurt.”
Sometimes I just wish Dana would be honest like Joe Rogan is and say he enjoys all MMA.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 5, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I bet you Dana actually is worried about StrikeForce. Not in the sense that he’s worried that they overtake the UFC in fans or popularity or actually become a bigger, more profitable promotion. But they do threaten something else, the very financial structure of the sport.
Hear me out.
Why do we watch the UFC and not fights in other promotions? It is not a league. It hasn’t been around for decades, and most of us don’t share an emotional history with the UFC. Some superfans might, but at least not most casual fans. Fighters don’t have their own stadiums. They don’t represent cities or regions. There is no "season" to go through with a champion being crowned at the end (Some like to say there is a "season", that fighters have to prove themselves before being crowned a UFC champ, but Brock fighting for the title after beating Herring disproves that notion). There are no Wimbledons or US Opens held by the UFC. There is really nothing that makes a fight between Fedor and Brock inside the Octagon more "special" than a fight inside a cage somewhere else. And yet, right now, it would be more "special" if it was held inside the Octagon. Why? Because the UFC has done a great deal to brand the concept that the UFC is MMA and that all fights outside the UFC don’t matter. That’s why StrikeForce threatens them, because casual fans – or at least enough of them – may start to like mma instead of just the UFC, and may learn to watch fights without the needing the UFC stamp of approval. If that happens, the UFC’s whole business plan unravels.
Why? Because really the logo doesn’t matter, it is the fighters we are watching. And to be even more specific, certain fighters. The UFC may do a minimum of 300,000 ppv buys every show, but only cards with GSP or Brock or a bunch of stars do 1 million +. Obviously these names matter. So what does it mean if StrikeForce does 2 or 3 more CBS cards and the ratings go up each time? What does it mean if they do a payperview and 300,000 people buy it? It means fans are willing to watch and pay for mma from another promotion. It means a fighter like Brock now has all the leverage. It would be like Hollywood in 40’s, when James Cagney and Jimmy Stewart were able to get out from under studio contracts and become high priced free-agents.
That is why StrikeForce is so threatening to the UFC, because it could end up costing them a lot of money. If the fans didn’t care who produced a Fedor-Brock matchup as long as it got made, then Brock and Fedor could negotiate with as many promoters as they wanted until they got as big of slice of the pie as they could find. Maybe the whole pie. The UFC or StrikeForce or whomever producing the fight would now be stuck with a much smaller cut for the effort of putting it together.
If this happens mma will have finally evolved to its final state. Boxing will be there to greet it.
by John Nash on Feb 5, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think the ultimate endgame
for MMA evolution is the ditching of PPV all together. It isn’t sustainable.
Dana has said as much.
He’s said the smart thing SF has done is to stay away from PPV. Eventually the UFC will be on TV, and that’s the real goal ultimately.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
That is probably why the UFC sees a free product as a threat.
Even if the majority of their man carders are top 25ish outright or at the very least talentwise, and their champions are top 10ish, while the UFC main carders are usually top 10ish ranking or talentwise, and their champions are #1(besides you know who).
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