Scott Coker Talks Alistair Overeem, Herschel Walker and More
by Nick Thomas on Feb 4, 2010 9:42 AM EST
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On The Fight Show with Mauro Ranallo: (audio)
- Alistair Overeem will defend the Strikeforce Heavyweight Title in May. Opponent is yet to be determined.[UPDATE] - Herschel game for another fight in April according to Sherdog.com:
- Erin Toughill will be the next opponent for Cris Cyborg, targeting a late summer title fight.
- The 145 pound women's tournament will have a Summertime launch.
- Nick Diaz will go up and down in weight, fight out of his weight class but also defend the welterweight title.
- Herschel Walker will want to fight again and Strikeforce will support him. The $600 purse took care of licensing fees, as he as not fighting for a purse and donated his purse to charity.
- Despite WEC and UFC pay per views, Strikeforce is still targeting April CBS show.
- Jake Shields offered fight contract but not yet signed.
- Mousasi vs King Mo: will happen but not yet confirmed.
A CBS representative told Sherdog.com Wednesday that the network would be open to hosting Walker’s next fight on the April card.HT: hardcoresportsradio.com
Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker said he planned to call Walker and his trainers on Thursday to a gage their interest in another bout. Coker didn’t rule out an April return.
Strikeforce on CBS In April coverage
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With overeem I’ll believe it when I see it.
And a hw title fight in may??? Who could it be?
by Marcus213 on Feb 4, 2010 9:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions
How do you give Rogers the title shot coming off a loss to Fedor? It won’t be Rogers. They really don’t have anyone for him to fight; everyone credible is booked or coming off a loss.
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agreed
their only two contenders will be fighting in April, they don’t have anyone for Overeem unless they sign someone new to feed him.
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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 4, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Monson.
He’s a good name and not particularly dangerous. He can be handily outstruck and Overeem’s ground game is too good to get Monson’d.*
*Now that I’ve said it, watch him lost by North South choke…
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Blah…I’d much rather see Rogers/Overeem than Monson/Overeem.
Plus the winner can fight Fedor and you’ve got a rematch where you overstate the danger that Rogers had Fedor in, or a fresh match between the champ and the best in the world.
Monson is just an unnecessary wrench.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 4, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Of course he is.
But this plays into Coker’s public plans much better. He said he wanted one domestic fight for Alistair to [re]introduce him to the US base and the casual fans, then use that to hype a fight between him and Fedor on PPV at the end of the year. This way Fedor gets his April fight, Overeem gets a May fight, they each do their Sambo/K1 during the long layoff, and return for a PPV.
Quite frankly, I’d welcome an Overeem vs. Monson fight at this point. It’s way more interesting than Fujita, Thompson, and that guy from the Golden Glory event/pat on the back. And boy does that tell you something…
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you mean the rumor that Scott Coker started and said to the media after the fight on Saturday? That rumor?
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by thisredengine on Feb 4, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
if that is where the rumor started than yes. But i don remember where i heard it from. Any other questions for me?
yes, are you the same piggy from lord of the flies?
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by thisredengine on Feb 4, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you asking saying anything? I don’t see you holding the conch shell?
by nottheface on Feb 4, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kill the pig! Cut his throat! Kill the pig! Bash him in!
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by thisredengine on Feb 4, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
It's not exactly rare for that to happen with Strikeforce
They really need to get it together
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by Spinning Fat Kick on Feb 4, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think it just means the fight contract to fight Henderson. Not his actual strikeforce contract.
by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 4, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
shell be fine, she’s got tough right there in her name
by kanodogg on Feb 4, 2010 9:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
King Mo in the deep end of the pool. I wasn’t sure what to make of those rumors of a Mousasi fight.
As for who Overeem fights, good question…If it’s Rogers and Rogers wins, what then?
Scott Coker
Told me at the Chicago show Overeem would fight early this year. Now they are saying May. Is it likely, at this point, that he is really fighting for Strikeforce again?
Honestly, if the problem is ‘roids and testing (I’m not saying it is, I don’t know) he could cycle them out and test clean by May.
But if the problem’s money, you might be right… I’m sure Dream/K1 pay better than Strikeforce.
Yea, I don’t know why anyone would take this new statement seriously. Both Coker and Overeem’s camp have been pushing the date back every time they open their mouth.
First it was early 2010, then first quarter 2010, then april, now may. They really just need to stop talking about when he’s coming back until a fight is booked and signed. All this “he will be back x” just serves to aggravate people.
Doesn’t really seem to me like he’s interested in fighting a guy he might lose to when he can fight cans and make more money doing it overseas.
by ufc4 on Feb 4, 2010 9:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
- Nick Diaz will go up and down in weight, fight out of his weight class but also defend the welterweight title.
That’s a deep roster you have there.
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by J. B. Maddox on Feb 4, 2010 9:28 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Mousasi is going to steam roll over King Mo.
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And the shit-talk express comes to a grinding halt.
by ufc4 on Feb 4, 2010 9:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well that’s what I’m saying, they dint have any contender outside of werdum and fedor and they are fighting on CBS. So Brett rogers? What a joke. Slyvia? Naaah. Arlovski? Well considering he got melted by both fedor and rogers, that doesn’t make sense (although it is an intriguing match up) I wish coker would get real, overeem won’t be fighing in strikeforce this year, and if he does, it will not be against a legit opponent.
by Marcus213 on Feb 4, 2010 9:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I heard Nagy is gonna fight Sims (on 3 days notice) and Overeem will be taking on the loser of that match.
by ufc4 on Feb 4, 2010 9:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okay, that was low hanging fruit
but it still made me laugh.
And it’s pronounced toehill FFS.
Can’t believe the amount of people in the industry like larry pepe that pronounce it toughhill, idiots.
And it obviously means shields hasn’t signed the fight contract.
by Marcus213 on Feb 4, 2010 9:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I bet they’re gonna try to get barnett, only reasonable match up for ubereem.
by MikeD32 on Feb 4, 2010 10:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
that would be good, as long as he can pass the drug test :p (Barnett that is)
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I could be wrong, but thought that only applied in California?
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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 4, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
That’s certainly what Barnett has said recently, but in the past some commissions have honoured each others’ suspensions. He might be in for a surprise when he tries to get licensed if he’s not careful.
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the whole barnett thing is a clusterfuck.
he isn’t even really suspended. You can’t get a license suspended if you don’t have one. I don’t think anyone official has put any sort of time frame on the thing.
Oh, yeah, that’s right! He got popped on a random test BEFORE he was licensed, wasn’t he? Yes, I think clusterfuck just about describes it…
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haha I totally didn’t even think of that. I used to really like Barnett but this latest fiasco has caused me to lose all respect for him. He is friends with Fedor, yet he still takes steroids in order to beat him. What kind of low life scum does that?
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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 4, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Meh, “scum” might be going a bit far. I certainly question his judgement, though, and I really get bored of the weird attitude of entitlement he seems to have. Either way, though, it’s hard to imagine that anyone’s stock has fallen as far and as hard without actually losing a fight.
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I said that not so much because of the roids, but because he used them to get an unfair advantage knowing they were illegal when he was getting ready to fight someone he considered a friend.
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 4, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
He is suspended from re-applying.
if I understand correctly.
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that could be unofficial, but I don’t remember anyone saying anything.
And if that was done officially, but nothing stopped Diaz from skipping a drug test and getting licensed/fighting in another state. If the penalty for skipping a drug test and failing one are different the drug testing system is more of a joke than originally believed.
They are different.
Diaz didn’t have a license, did not apply for one yet, and did not test positive… or test at all. They are dissimilar situations.
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Barnett didn’t have a license either.
In every other sport in the world missing a test = failed test. They should be the same situation.
You are talking past me.
Diaz did not apply for a license yet. Barnett, if I recall correctly, was in the process of applying for a license. The situations are dissimilar.
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Why would they test him if he wasn’t applying for a license?
The drug test was within a week of the fight, when was he going to apply for his license if not then?
Because he was scheduled for an upcoming event
and the CSAC are trying to be hardasses. And quite frankly succeeding, but that my be partially due to a competency issue.
As for the application, Cesar Gracie would probably take care of it a few days out. Re-apply late so that you can squeeze as many fights in one go before you need to pay the fees again.
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I still don’t see how it’s different from Barnett’s situation at all, a drug test without a license is a drug test without a license.
I really don’t think you are right that he wasn’t “applying” but it seems like there’s a good chance he was in the process of doing it, so they should be in the same neighborhood.
Sorry for interrupting
But I’d like to point out that if they just don’t bother testing overeem or barnett there would be a clash of epic proportions, think Hulk vs Red Hulk, Hulk vs Juggernaut, Hulk vs (insert any unstoppable hero villan). My point is it would be amazing to see. I mean if they are both on steroids anyways then what’s the problem? Steroids are banned because they give ONE competitor an unfair advantage aren’t they?? Take out the unfair advantage and..
Be like water..
by theredoctober on Feb 4, 2010 8:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Arlovski vs Overeem?
Arlovski has been out awhile, but he has been flirting with the DREAM and Strikforce lately. If he wins they could have a rematch between him and Fedor to unite it, as it was a pretty intresting fight till that flying knee.
Don't get your hopes up...
on Overeem fighting in May. Someone should put together a list of all the times Coker and Overeem have said, "The fight will happen in ___________ " and it never happens. It is a joke at this point.
From the UG:
Coker is now promising an Alistair Overeem title defense in May 2010. Damn, I wish Bodog would open odds on that happening.
Since STRIKEFORCE launched on Showtime in April 2009, we’ll start from there (to avoid all the "Alistair didn’t have a contract for a year" excuse throwers).
April 10, 2009:
Alistair Overeem will defend his Strikeforce heavyweight championship at the organization’s June 6 show in St. Louis, he revealed Friday to Ariel Helwani.
April 28, 2009:
Strikeforce MMA has perhaps found an opponent for its heavyweight champion, Alistair Overeem (29-11), according to Sports1140.com, setting up the Dutchman to take on undefeated former Elite XC standout, Brett Rogers (9-0), in a featured match on the promotion’s "Lawler vs. Shields" card, which is set for the Scottrade Center in St. Louis, Mo., on June 6.
Alistair hurts hand in mysterious night club incident (a story the MMA community soaks up at face value with little evidence) and with draws from Rogers fight.
July 6, 2009:
STRIKEFORCE World Heavyweight Champion Alistair “The Demolition Man” Overeem (29-11) will put his coveted title on the line and, at the same time, attempt to avenge a previous defeat when he squares off with old nemesis and two-time Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu World Champion Fabricio “Vai Cavalo” Werdum (11-4-1) during the live, SHOWTIME® telecast of STRIKEFORCE: “Carano vs. Cyborg” from San Jose, California’s HP Pavilion on Saturday, August 15.
Overeem’s hand is still banged up and he withdraws from this fight too.
September 4, 2009:
Strikeforce officials were happy to report that Overeem’s injuries have finally healed and that he will compete in the upcoming kickboxing bout as part of his existing contract with K-1 (done on Dec. 5th).
Dude opts to fight Fujita in an MMA match on December 31, 2009.
October 14, 2009:
"You’ll see Overeem and some of the (other) fighters early next year," Coker assured.
When pressed on when exactly we could see Overeem, whom many have labeled a potential opponent for Fedor Emelianenko (who fights Brett Rogers on Nov. 7), he gave his most precise prediction of late.
"Probably late February or early March," he said.
Overeem had no problem fitting in six (SIX!!!) bouts between September 2009 – December 2009.
by Nick Thomas on Feb 4, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Ha
You just quoted the post I put up at the UG to me.
by William Wilson on Feb 4, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Hasn’t OVereem’s schedule basically been that he’s going to do K1 for a while anyway? i don’t think he’s coming back in May. MAYBE the fall, I think that was the possibility. And yeah, who knows who they pit him againt if they do it in May. At this point I think they should just schedule it for September and try to do Fedor/Overeem. That would be a great fight. I actually wouldn’t mind seeing Rogers-Overeem either. The belt’s bascially something in name only, so I’d settle for a good match. But I’d stil watn Fedor Uber
after each card there’s a scramble to have relevant fights that don’t exclude title shots for awhile….fedor and mousasi saying they fight competition is bull****. take one look at SF’s roster and you cannot tell me it’s deep in ANY of their weight classes. I’m glad another organization exists, and i’m not nuthuggin’ the UFC, i’m just calling bull**** on 2 of the worlds top 10 guys saying they chose SForce b/c they want to fight the best (moreso Fedor did this). if it’s about the $$$$, i can respect that, just call a spade a spade.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Feb 4, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions
Please stop you guys, I don’t want Supremacy to have to spend the next hour putting together a list of every heavyweight not currently signed to the UFC.
by ufc4 on Feb 4, 2010 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 8 recs
When’d he say this?
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by thisredengine on Feb 4, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
From a thread on Sherdog
Here’s the vid, Tim mentions Roger at about 1:38. Nothing too descriptive here – he was asked about the strength of BJJ in the heavyweight division, he mentions Rolles Gracie and then points out he’s heard Roger will be signing soon. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
Of course, here is Roger with Coker talking about the signing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KUj43TrvgI&feature=player_embedded
Come on guys, Coker’s not lying. He just said Overeem would defend in May.
He didn’t say what year.
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by Beer Monster on Feb 4, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Rec’d for the term Coker’d
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by thisredengine on Feb 4, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
overeem cant fight in april though against fedor?
why? i mean its not like hes been fighting really hard competition over in japan besides the k1 grand prix and that was months ago
i wonder why he needs another month to come stateside? probably wants to stock up on horsemeat or something over in japan where its readily available and noone thinks twice about people using it…..
- Jake Shields offered fight contract but not yet signed.
I think having Jahe Shields assist Chuck Liddell On TUF 11 will have an impact on his decision making. Like for an example : Jake helps out Chuck, Show is over, Jake interested in a fight with GSP (UFC contract?), Chuck puts in a “Good Word” to his long time friend Dana, Dana Signs him!. But i don’t think he’ll fight GSP right off the back though! What do you think?
I don’t think Dana needs any added incentive to steal away one of SF’s belt holders. I figure Jake in the UFC all comes down to just how serious Jake was in the past about getting into the UFC. We’ll soon find out.
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He’d probably be stripped of the belt. As for how he does in the UFC, I think he’s got a good shot at beating anyone in the WW division besides GSP and BJ Penn. If he stays at MW in the UFC, he could do well too. But again, I have a hard time seeing him as champ.
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I think he’d have serious problems with Kos, Rumble, and Fitch because they’re better wrestlers and better strikers than Shields. Shields won’t be able to get them down and will get tuned on the feet.
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by AJB on Feb 4, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Scott Coker
Please take a page from Dana White. Even though Lesnar is coming back this year, it made sense to have Mir and Carwin fight for a strap while he gets back in fighting shape. Yes, they could have held out a couple months and stuck with the rescheduled UFC 108 match against Carwin but they needed to do something to keep division moving.
Argue all you want but Fedors / Werdum makes sense given the CBS crowd and both are ready to go. Have them fight for a strap. Go ahead and have Bigfoot fight Overeen and get walker or gina on that card. Then, unify the belt. This carries them to august and you have guys like AA, Barnett, and some of the your strikeforce guys opportunities to get in the mix.
Above all Mr. Coker, you have the best fighter in history and he still isn’t fighting for a belt.
GOOD BYE CYBORG HELLO ERIN
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