Alistair Overeem's Management Says, "Look for an Announcement From Strikeforce"
by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2010 8:50 AM EST
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Headkick Legend reports:
After discussing Alistair Overeem's future again with his management, the only comment was that the next announcement we will hear about Alistair Overeem will come from Strikeforce.
This is potentially big doings. Sadly it appears unlikely we'll see Fedor challenge Overeem for his Strikeforce title in April or May due to M-1 Global's ambitious partnership agenda.
It seems quite likely that Overeem will fight for either DREAM (rumors have Neil Grove as his opponent) in March at DREAM.13 or for K-1 against Ray Sefo at the K-1 World Grand Prix in Yokohama. Then he'll possibly defend his Strikeforce belt in May on their Showtime card.
I would like to see Overeem rematch Fabricio Werdum who beat him in 2006. Werdum was believed to be next in line to fight Fedor, but that fight is apparently not happening in April or May. Werdum is really the only credible heavyweight Strikeforce has in its pocket right now with Brett Rogers coming off a loss and Fedor holding out.
UPDATE: It's entirely possible that M-1 and Strikeforce may come to terms for a Fedor vs Overeem fight in May. There have been no official announcements from anyone ruling it out.
Perhaps the "we must have a drug test or Fedor won't fight Overeem" thing was a tactic to let Overeem's management know that they would only fight Overeem in the U.S. and not in DREAM.
There's an additional report from Headkick Legend talking to M-1:
According to M-1 Global, Strikeforce has not honored the contract that they signed with M-1 and the only way Fedor will fight in a Strikeforce cage again is if they sign a new contract. M-1 is looking for a partner and to have Strikeforce cards featuring Fedor to be fully co-promoted cards.
M-1 Global is looking at other potential partners right now if Strikeforce doesn't shape up. Generally speaking, that does not mean there is a healthy relationship with Strikeforce and that the chances of seeing Fedor fighting outside of Strikeforce have gone out. Now, is this just them trying to scare Strikeforce into conceding to their demands or are they seriously shopping Fedor and M-1 Global around is the question.
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Have you considered that Fedor’s “holdout” happened so that Strikeforce could make the Overeem fight?
His hold is to due with M1 being greedy and trying to milk yet another mma promotion for what ever they are worth, heres the thing now that there has bwwn 3 promotions that have fallen withy fedor in it u bet your ass they can shop him around and no one will touch him because he isnt worth what they ask for him.
According to m-1 on Thursday the Werdum-Fedor fight is still on and would take place in May. Is it possible that Strikeforce and M-1 have gotten their act together and are planning on putting Overeem against Rogers or Arlovski on the same card to build up a ppv, as Scott Coker said they would? In fact this week he promised a ppv, which he didn’t earlier
"We’re very happy with Showtime and free television on CBS. But before the end of the year, in the fourth quarter, we’ll definitely have a fight on pay-per-view."
Don't you know I make shit up as I go along
But seriously, here what I got:
M-1 Global reps did confirm that Fedor’s scrap against Werdum is still on, however it would take place on a Strikeforce event in May, another show the San Jose-based organization has yet to publicize.
http://www.5thround.com/24288/fedor-emelianenko-will-not-appear-on-strikeforces-cbs-show-in-april/
We’re very happy with Showtime and free television on CBS. But before the end of the year, in the fourth quarter, we’ll definitely have a fight on pay-per-view.
http://www.5thround.com/24363/reminder-strikeforce-to-make-big-announcement-tomorrow/
During the Challengers card Coker talked about the ppv. He’s mentioned numerous times that he wants to put Fedor and Overeem on a card together to build up for a ppv. I’m sure Phildo has some link to that, since we go over it every time.
yeah I saw that
I think BE posted it too, but I don’t take much that M-1 says seriously.
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That is pretty much it..
Until anything is officially announced you just never know.
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Just playing devil’s advocate with you two but here’s another crazy scenario I though of that fits: Strikeforce has been planning for a May card with Fedor and Overeem for awhile. Think about it
- they know Overeem isn’t available until May
- they decide to move the Fedor fight because Coker has always wanted to promote the two together.
- Because Strikeforce is so tightlipped and they are having a hard time finding a final date for the Nashville card, shit hits the fan when everyone finds out Fedor is not on it.
- M-1 may have a problem with Strikeforce, but everyone reads more into because Strikeforce is so tightlipped and in the void rumors of Fedor not fighting gain more credence.
This is why I love Strikeforce. You don’t get this kind of soap opera with the UFC.
Yeah, the fighters just fight each other.
God forbid, right?
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Is having Overeem and Fedor on the same card on Showtime more important that having either or both on CBS to be seen by 10 times as many viewers? If they are pushing for a fall PPV then you would think they would want their draws on CBS so they would be seen by as many people as possible building up to it.
My point is that you just arbitrarily determined that they need to get 5 million people on CBS to see their two headliners fight other people in order to sell a PPV, instead of just convincing 100K out of the 600K who watch them on Showtime to shell out.
WEC has about 500K watching it on Versus, and they’re trying to sell a PPV. Affliction didn’t even have TV and they sold 85,000 people on a PPV.
I personally want them to hold off on PPV, but I don’t think having them FIGHT on CBS is nearly as important as having them APPEAR on CBS.
You are working extremely hard to try to defend things here and that in itself should tell you something. You shouldn’t have to work to find excuses for this stuff.
I’m not arbitrarily determining anything at all I am just using basic common sense. If you want to sell a PPV to as many people as possible (and lets face it the entire point of doing a PPV is to get as many people as possible to buy it) then obviously you would want to have as many people as possible see the build up for it. That isn’t arbitrary at all it’s business 101.
WEC doesn’t have the same problems as Strikeforce has here due to the fact that their entire show including fighter cost and event booking will cost less than it will cost Strikeforce just to get Fedor to show up for one fight. It’s an entirely different situation for the two. For Strikeforce to be successful with PPV they are going to need to sell at hell of a lot more than 85k in PPV.
I personally want them to hold off on PPV, but I don’t think having them FIGHT on CBS is nearly as important as having them APPEAR on CBS.
Appearing on CBS doesn’t introduce the casual fans to who the fighters are near as well as actually seeing them fight, having Alistair Overeem in the crowd waving at the camera or doing a short interview about Fedor. Casual fans have no clue who he is, heck they have only seen Fedor fight once. They aren’t going to do a countdown special on CBS for a Strikeforce PPV.
If Fedor and Overeem are on the same card, I’m willing to bet that it will be on CBS. It is my understanding of their agreement that CBS also has a vested interest in seeing them succeed on pay per view.
So you think they are going to do two CBS cards back to back? They can’t even get one card in April announced.
Being unable to get cards announced is their MO, so what would it matter if they did back to back CBS cards? Would it change anything about how they promote them?
In their defense Strikeforce has run into a bunch of trouble with the Super Six doubleheader moving dates. Not only couldn’t they clear out the 17th or the 24th until a week ago, but the logistics have to be a nightmare since they share the same production crew.
Now if Fedor vs Werdum and Overeem vs. TBD happens in May, and that is still a big if, then I would almost guarantee you it would be on CBS. It might even have been of their original plan, to come out of the gate swinging, hoping for Elite XC: Unfinished Business numbers on the April 17th show with the knowledge that it would lead to a huge increase for the May 15th show and a good chance at pay per view success.
Of course, everything is dependent on Fedor still fighting for Strikeforce. It’s equally likely that the two sides are really squabbling and that it may be awhile before they come to an agreement.
So your thinking that CBS is fine with putting on a show that won’t do good ratings in April and one that hopefully will do good ratings in May so Strikeforce can make more money on a PPV in the fall? Why would CBS care about Strikeforce making money outside of CBS? Why would CBS jump through hoops(or do anything at all) to promote a future show that won’t have anything to do with them? Why would CBS eat bad ratings just to pump up a MMA PPV?
CBS is in the business of selling advertising time and that is based on ratings, if you can’t deliver the ratings then you aren’t going to be on the network for long. They aren’t going to do Strikeforce any favors for a upcoming PPV, particularly if that means they are going to have to eat a low rating in April to do so.
Strikeforce has separate agreements with both Showtime and CBS, but it is my understanding the CBS agreement include some sort of payout if/when Strikeoforece goes on ppv. For Showtime, they are contracted to be the ppv provider which could end up being a bigger moneymaker for them than airing their cards on Showtime, but CBS gets a bonus or cut or something of the ppv revenue as a return for helping promote their shows. Apparently CBS doesn’t want to see someone use their network to build up another stream of revenue without getting a cut.
The question we have to ask is CBS all in? I think the signing of Hendo, Lashley, Fedor, and Mousasi’s extensions proves they are. That is not something Strikeforce would have done without some guarantee. With that in mind I could see thinking they need to come out of the gates with a bang to brand Strikeforce (or actually CBS mma) to the masses. Thus they air a show that does poorly knowing that it will help beef up the numbers on the show a month later. Basically serving as a 2 hour informercial for the next card, which I think will also be their template for ppv cards – a CBS card followed 3-4 weeks later by the ppv.
Of course, m-1 Global may really be trying to get out of their contract with their partners ,in which case all this is moot. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
So let me get this straight, obviously Showtime has a piece of the pie as they will be the show producer and the PPV provider, M-1 is supposed to be in for half, the ProElite’s deal has financial considerations from Strikeforce still in effect and now you are saying that CBS is in for a revenue cut too. Does Strikeforce get anything out of this deal besides bills?
Overeem facing Arlovski in a nontitle fight, while Fedor faces Werdum in a #1 contender’s fight, doesn’t sound like a bad idea at all…
While I don't doubt that they are still preparing for that fight..
There is nothing official yet on either end.
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You know, I didn't think about that.
I know they wanted to fight and always just assumed it would be in K-1.
Here is the thing with Overeem; he might be fighting at DREAM.13 at the end of March, Tanigawa said he was ‘certain’ Overeem would fight at the K-1 show in Yokohama on April 4th, on April 24th he is fighting in Bosnia and on May 15th in Strikeforce?
That is a LOT of fighting.
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Sefo/Overeem makes ZERO sense in Strikeforce
Why chance Overeem’s hype train by giving him a guy that nobody knows that is good at what he does? If Sefo/Overeem happens it has to happen in K-1 so that Strikeforce can blow it off as irrelevant to his place in their title picture.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
…which doesn’t refute my point at all. From a logical standpoint, Overeem/Sefo doesn’t make sense in Strikeforce.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
You heard it here first: having competitive matchups is not logical.
As a fan of MMA (not orgs), I want to see legitimate talent fighting 1-0 local guys.
by yukkurishiteittene on Feb 28, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
No, Sefo fighting for a title when the fanbase has no exposure to him and he doesn’t appear to have any long term commitment to MMA is not logical.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I agree completely. In fact, what would be good for the sport would be if they switched to a Superstars of Wrestling-style format where all their top stars faced enhancement talent in build-up fights to expose them to the fanbase.
by yukkurishiteittene on Feb 28, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
If you think Sefo/Overeem makes more sense in Strikeforce than K-1, I’m not sure what else to say.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I would prefer Brett vs Overeem, than Fedor vs Overeem. Brett is just as big & very heavy handed. If Overeem wants to be a big guy let’s see how he reacts to an equallly big guy.
It’s already obvious that the belt & rankings mean nothing, so why not.
I agree, who knows how he will react to someone as big as him.
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
I wouldn’t want to hang two straight losses on Brett like that. And if Brett wins, then the Fedor-Rogers rematch comes too soon.
you are so mean, lol. I could easily see Brett kayoing Overeem.
by liptondrift on Feb 28, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
While he’s daydreaming during break time at Sam’s Club maybe.
by yukkurishiteittene on Feb 28, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Overeem/Rogers and Fedor/Werdum in May is likely how this works out.
But if Fedor is still holding out I wouldn’t mind Overeem/Werdum at all, and in fact I think it makes a lot more sense than Fedor/Werdum.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2010 9:03 PM EST reply actions
Get off the internet, Tito
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Feb 28, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
So here's maybe what were looking at
April
Hendo vs. Shields
Mousasi vs. King Mo
Walker vs. TBA
Antonio Silva vs. Andrei Arlovski
May
Fedor vs. Werdum
Overeem vs. Rogers
Melendez vs. Aoki
Shamrock vs. Militech
June/July
Diaz vs. Herion – if they get him resigned
Cyborg vs. Toughill
Kaufman vs. TBA
and sprinkle in those events
Lashley
Lawler
Cung Le
Jacare
Scott Smith
Josh Thomson
Diaz isn't fighting Hieron.
Diaz doesn’t want to fight him and Coker already said he’d rather bring in Sakurai, even though he already lost to Zaromskis (who Diaz just beat).
Also, Melendez/Aoki isn’t something I would count on, as Aoki is supposed to fight Kawajiri sometime soon.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
That's right
I forgot about Coker wanting to bring in Sakurai.
I hadnt heard about Aoki fighting Kawajiri and Coker has said he is trying really hard to make Aoki/Melendez happen.
Aoki/Kawajari is a good fight too.
Anybody heard anything on who or when Jacare may fight again?
Now that I look at your list a bit closer, there’s a lot of speculation that Lawler is going to the UFC now that his contract with Strikeforce is up, so I wouldn’t count on him fighting for them.
Jacare could fight…Smith? Only MW I could think of coming off of a win.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
what about
Jacare vs. Mayhem Miller?
weren’t they gonna rematch sometime?
"The left hand brings death, but the right one even I am afraid of."-Mariusz Pudzianowski
I sense a recurring theme here...
hmmmmm….. lol
Everywhere Fedor goes, trouble ensues for everyone else not named Fedor… lol
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Fedor aint fighting shit until Coker gives in to finkies demands…. The problem is Shitfarce is fucked if they do and fucked if they dont.
Without Fedor they got nothing. The april 17th card is useless. You cant even work towards a ppv without Fedor. PPV is the hail marry pass… Fedor is the last down they have to attempt that pass.
Conversely if Coker and Co give in to their demands that will ruin Shitfarce also.
Check Mate.
He's drunk and abusing his wife's friends, it's quite depressing.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
Yeah, he says great stuff every once in a while.
But any time there’s a Strikeforce article up you just know he’s going to come in and be like STRIKEFORCE BLOWS! UFC! UFC! UFC!
Makes you wonder why he’s called mmalogic and not irrationalufcfanboy.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
The catch is that most counter-arguments to him are just “UFC Fanboy! Lolz!”. Rarely is anyone able to muster a credible retort.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 28, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
He interlaces mediocre arguments with such gems as 'Shitfarce'. We're kinda splitting hairs.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
Does he say it in the worst way possible?
Sure. But his arguments aren’t exactly mediocre. Strikeforce is basically over a barrel no matter how you look at it, they need Fedor for a PPV, and pretty much all of their other names are also laughing and pointing at them more often than not.
Overreem who is their most visible champion hasn’t fought for them in like two years. Their blown up welterweight to middleweight champion has made comments about jumping ship, and seems to want to fight in the UFC so he can fight in his natural weight class including getting UFC face time on TUF.
Diaz is great, and while the UFC is somewhat interested in him he is the safest out of the Strikeforce champions, but that’s not really some gleaming ray of sunshine since he has massive sanctioning issues and an extremely combative stance with most of the AC.
Gegard Mousasi has specifically left M-1 and has seemed to make it clear he’s willing to go elsewhere once he is able, which is a shame for Strikeforce as I think he’s easily the most promising guy on their roster.
Go down the Strikeforce roster and almost all of the guys have made their willingness to go fight for the UFC readily known. King Mo as a moneyweight well, we all know where the money is and isn’t, and this is another shame for Strikeforce as Mo might be one of the few people on their roster with some personality.
You add all of this together and not only do things look terrible for a Strikeforce PPV, they look even worse for the continued health of the company. When you’ve shown almost no ability to build names of your own, and all of your current names are either on their way out the door, or activly making moves to go that way that’s bad news bears.
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It means a lot to Strikeforce...
Simply because that’s at least one person with personality they are sure to keep, but a Diaz brother and Mayhem doesn’t make a promotion by themselves.
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You act like if this “big time” experiment fails, Strikeforce can’t just cut their losses, and go back to being a regional promotion.
I think they can and will… I dont think they will go out of business like all the rest did unless they make even dumber moves. They will divest out of the stupid deals, settle up on others, breach with guys who cant stand up for themselves and go back to being a local show.
Let me share with you the problem I have…. Imagine a baseball team that went out and got puff daddy to pitch an inning for them because they needed ratings…
they made puff daddy train the sport for 3 months and on top of that they had to bring guys in from the stands to bat against him because the major league players and even the minor league players would kill him.
I would be pretty upset as a baseball fan if a team did this. The media in baseball would rip this apart. Unfortunately we have fanboys in our media and apologists for anything non-zuffa who have no respect for our sport and who fail to stand up for its basic integrity.
When Shitfarce stops disrespecting and denigrating our sport then I will show them the same courtesy.
by mmalogic on Feb 28, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
If they picked me from the stands to face Puff Daddy
I would go yard 4 times of that flowery-ass punk.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Feb 28, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the ufc is no differnt bro. look at all the tuf talent. Look at all the tuf talent that keep losing all their fights & have dana do a press conference to say no matter how many they lose they never get cut.
Not just SF or just ufc, but all MMA is nothing but a sideshow. MMA is so far from being a competative sport that with guys like Dana & Coker it will never get there. All of MMA is pure, " who’s popular, even yes your beloved ufc. Non of it has to do with who’s best but who is most popluar. Otherwise there would be honest rankings & guys who would lose their jobs if they lost like Bonnar.
Coleman dust Bonnar, then coleman loses his next fight & gets cut. I might add though, Couture’s record is 17-10, Coleman’s is 16-10, & yet Coleman gets bumped. Dana says that Hendo is too old & gets bumped & yet Randy is young enough to get a 6 fight deal.
The SF hate alone is unwarranted cuz Zuffa does the same & worse so much better.
by liptondrift on Feb 28, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You must live in a cave
if you don’t see the difference between Randy and Coleman. Bonnar? How about loyalty because of the ratings his fight with Forrest did, they basically saved the show and the UFC.
I can tell you gave your post a lot of thought. Please tell me what the next 2 fights are for the top of each division in just the UFC. If you feel inclined to do Strikeforce/Dream too that would be great.
Dana never said Hendo was too old
Hendo was a free agent and was looking for a specific amount of money and Dana didnt want to pay him that amount so he moved on to Strikeforce.
If you cant understand why Coleman was cut and Couture was kept around you must not watch the UFC. Coleman looked terrible besides in his fight with Bonnar and that is why he was cut.
Bonnar should be cut but since him and Griffin saved the UFC with TUF Dana feels loyalty towards them.
I was gonna rec you
Until you said Coleman shouldn’t have been cut
Look at all the tuf talent that keep losing all their fights & have dana do a press conference to say no matter how many they lose they never get cut.
By all the TUF fighters you mean Stephan Bonner right? Because they have no problem at all cutting guys that were on TUF, hell most of them get cut before they even make it to the UFC to start with. Bonner is the only guy Dana has said is staying for good that has been losing fights. Your basing your entire arguement on one single guy who Dana said has a job for life in thanks for his fight saving the company from certain doom.
And you act like if you run 20 shows that make $50,000 each and 2 shows that lose $2 million each that everything will even out.
by ufc4 on Feb 28, 2010 11:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This reminds me of one of the scenes from Poolhall Junkies...
Coker: How the fuck does that make you feel… to be in that position with all your money on the tableto lose out on the bidding war for Fedor?
Dana: How much you got, Coker?
Coker: What?
Dana: Total. You put down 80 thousand Fedor and Hendo like it didn’t matter. That’s a lot of money for somebody like you and him. I think it matters.
Coker: What’s the difference…
Dana: I’m a millionaire! That’s the difference. I lose 80 a fighter I get another 80fighter. For me it doesn’t matter. See, I think it’s you… who’s sweating this, the both of you.
-
Dana: I’m going to leave you with nothing.
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LOL. The fact that I know Poolhall Junkies by heart has made this the post ever.
by CrowCrucifix on Mar 1, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
You said a couple weeks ago that M-1 was talking to Dana about possibly fighting in the UFC and at the time I thought you were full of shit, I completely believe that now.
by Dropkick434 on Feb 28, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
That would be tampering….
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 1, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
All the whining about mmalogic saying “shitfarce” aside, Jake “ratings poison” shields is not going to be able to headline a card. They plan on compensating for that by adding Herschel Walker and Bobby Lashley? It’s been 2 months since we last saw them and they’re already so slim that they’re the only options to fight?
It’s really starting to feel like SF has bitten off more than they can chew trying to compete at this level. Adding all these different events, and enabling all their fighters to just blow them off to do whatever they want and fight when they feel like it? Then the guys who are staying with them (Lawler, Ribiero) are left waiting with nobody to fight for months on end?
If this keeps up much longer SF is going to implode. It’s a shame to see a good org killing itself, but that looks like the inevitable unless something drastic changes. Maybe M-1 will start playing Mr Nice Guy and feel bad that they’ve sucked SF clean like a damned vampire.
Jordan Breen constantly brings this up, and Brent Brookhouse has brought this up as well, but “the guys who are staying with them (Lawler, Ribiero) who are left waiting with nobody to fight for months on end” is actually the fault of Showtime and not Strikeforce/Coker. The evidence is that when Strikeforce was a regional promotion, they had their stuff together and didn’t have these same problems that they now have as a national promotion like announcing fights at the last minute and whatnot. Also, fighters like Galvao and Ribeiro were signed months ago, and Galvao is just now getting a fight in Strikeforce, and Ribeiro still doesn’t have a fight with them, and that is actually the fault of Showtime. Getting Wes Sims instead of Ambriz was done because Showtime thought that Sims has more name value. There are other examples of Showtime’s “involvement” with Strikeforce as well. I am not giving Strikeforce a pass because they put themselves in this situation, but the entity that would cause Strikeforce to implode would be Showtime/CBS and not M-1.
That may all be well and true, however...
who, between Strikeforce and Showtime, do you think will be left holding the bag?
Everyone rec this.
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by AJB on Mar 1, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
In very, very many ways this is CBS Championship Fighting more than Strikeforce at this point.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 1, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Is there a reason why many MMA fans, even the ones here, don’t know this? The poster that I responded to feels that it is M-1 that will cause Strikeforce to go down, but M-1, for example, obviously isn’t the reason why Ribeiro isn’t getting a fight in Strikeforce despite being signed for months, nor is M-1 the reason why fights are getting announced at the last minute. It just seems strange that many MMA fans are blaming Scott Coker or M-1 for Strikeforce’s mistakes (and I’m sure they have some blame) even though the entity that would bring Strikeforce down is CBS/Showtime.
you have a point… but at the end of the day it was shitfarce that signed all these deals.
When Dana says he wont sign stupid deals and people get on him for not being on CBS first or not bending over to M1 or calling Zuffa lame for not being on network tv yet – it’s pretty apparent he knows what he’s doing.
And at the end of the day if you lose Fedor after you’ve invested in this arrangement you can give the riberios of the world all the fights they want and it still wont matter much.
The delays in finalizing a card also doesn’t hurt as much because Strikeforce has not a single penny to actually promote an event. Zuffa has to finalize cards sooner rather than later because alot of money is earmarked to promote the events.
I agree that the deals and position shitfarce put themselves in will be there undoing – not just m1 – But it was Scott Coker who put himself in this position. So I think 100% of the blame is his.
by mmalogic on Mar 1, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand how fans
wanted the UFC to sell the farm to get a depreciating asset that will be worth ZERO dollars in less than a decade. And what was Coker thinking when buying the same asset, was it worth the soul of Strikeforce?
That's fine, implode
You’re basically EliteXC part 2, what do you expect?
From all the dealings with fedor, putting the eggs in the fedor basket ends the same way as kimbo basket (Fedor basket a more taltented basket but one full of shit none the less). A promotion is no better with Fedor then kimbo, they both, If put in the forefront, kill promotions in their own way except Kimbo is a better draw but a far worse fighter.
by Riley_96 on Feb 28, 2010 9:40 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Maybe the Next Announcement is Overeem Gives up his Belt?
Anyone think of that?
by KillerInstinct on Feb 28, 2010 9:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Neil Grove is ducking Karlos Vemola in his own backyard… no way in hell he signs up as Overeem’s next victim.
Some guys will do anything for money
.. for what it’s worth, Tanigawa says Overeem will fight at K-1 on 4/3, so Alistair is either the marathon man or something will end up giving.
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Megareem just did KO the guy that almost beat Fedor!
[accepts gold medal for most tenuous MMAth relationship ever]
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
Megareem beat Fujita who beat Yvel who beat Kosaka who beat Emelianeko!
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
by P Brady on Feb 28, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget
He also submitted Mark Hunt, who almost submitted Fedor. And Vovchanchyn, who almost looks like Fedor!
Overeem: Better than fighters that were almost better than Fedor.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 28, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He is also blows Fedor away in the swimsuit competition.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
by Ubernoober on Feb 28, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Strikeforce: Herding Cats
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
by Ubernoober on Feb 28, 2010 10:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
According to M-1 Global, Strikeforce has not honored the contract that they signed with M-1 and the only way Fedor will fight in a Strikeforce cage again is if they sign a new contract. M-1 is looking for a partner and to have Strikeforce cards featuring Fedor to be fully co-promoted cards.
Hillarious, I would feel bad for Coker but he brought this on himself now it’s just fun to sit back and watch this debacle.
Quite honestly I want to see StrikeForce fold, and all of it’s roster taken by DREAM. I prefer the ring and their production.
We will have come full circle with DREAM becoming a slightly lesser version of PRIDE. The best option IMO.
Now if only they could get the japanese public to give a shit about MMA they could afford to put on good fights.
As long as Ranallo and that yellow-teeth dude never call another fight card
I’ll be a happy man
According to Lowkick and Finkelstein Overeem vs Fedor aint happening any time soon due to him not beating anyone worthwhile an being on roids. BUT yet Vadim has no problem with Fedor Fighting Barnett..so does that mean Josh needs to pass a test as well b4 that fight happens?? Shiiit just do Barnett vs Overeem for the Roid title an chance to fight fedor, winner gets clean 1st though!!!
http://www.lowkick.com/Strikeforce/Finkelstein-Alistair-Overeem-is-a-steroid-bully-6785
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