Quote of the Day: Chael Sonnen Says "Anderson Silva Has Never Fought a Wrestler"
by Nick Thomas on Feb 26, 2010 12:30 PM EST
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"I'm a lot better; I was awfully sore after that match. I was sore for a long time. I had a number of stitches. I finally have those out and seem to be healing pretty good. I got back into practice this week."-- Chael Sonnen talks Anderson Silva on MMA Live. (video after the jump)
"For me, anything can change. The landscape changes all the time. But currently if we were to ask Dana White what's going to happen, I'm going to take on the winner of Anderson and Maia. So I'm on standby."
"Ideally how long could I get? I'd love to see three months which I anticipate it will be closer to five. If I had to get in there, you know you get that call; I'd get on the plane and go do it as soon as Abu Dhabi. But that certainty wouldn't be ideal for me from a selfish standpoint. It will be nice to sit back and watch those guys compete and then have some time to prepare."
"Well geez a few things. [Anderson] He is a tough puzzle to solve. You hit it on the head, nobody has come close. He's never fought a wrestler and I don't just mean he's never beat a wrestler, he's never fought one. Not in the small shows, not in the big shows. Not ever has he locked up with a wrestler. I've been challenging with the guy for three and a half years, I've stuck my finger in this guys chest and he's fought everybody in the world that isn't named Chael Sonnen."
"So there’s something that he sees in my style that he's just flat just staying away from. …He has looked good but it's not hard to look good against some of those guys that he's competing with. So you know I'm not here to put these guys down but from my stand point it's a different style than he's ever faced. People tell me how dangerous he is on his feet; he's not going to be on his feet against me."
Highlights and analysis of UFC 110, as Cain Velasquez cements his status as a heavyweight contender. Also, Chael Sonnen checks in to discuss Frank Mir's comments on Brock Lesnar.
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Coulda swore I saw him fight some dude named Dan Henderson once.
by ufc4 on Feb 26, 2010 11:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions 8 recs
Don’t disagree with Chael.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by AboveThisFire on Feb 26, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Well I remember one interview when Chael said he didn’t consider Henderson a wrestler.
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That's funny
The Olympic committee does.
by ChillMike on Feb 26, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
The Olympic Committee wouldn’t last 5 minutes in Sonnen’s hood…
by dancingChicken on Feb 26, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 16 recs
What with their pink shirts and sideways ball caps, they’d be chased out!
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by AboveThisFire on Feb 26, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
How dare the Olympic committee disagree with Chael; off with their heads!
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by AboveThisFire on Feb 26, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
yep
thought I saw that too, but we must be wrong ‘cause Chael is a Republican and Republicans don’t lie! :p
Everywhere I’m go, all them guys they says to me to kick for to him!
All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
I know...NOt compared to
there counterparts…
JOHN EDWARDS…
The pride of North Carolina!
PRIDE OF THE NATION
I mean, that is a man with some EXCELLENT hair.
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Man, I have no idea.
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I’m just making a reference to “I’m a Republican, and Republicans don’t do that” quote he has said in the past, not trying to make a political debate.
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All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
Think he means
he’s never fought a wrestler that absolutely refuses to stand up for more than a split second at the beginning of each round. Hendo got sucked into a firefight he couldn’t win.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 26, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yushin okami, Anderson beat him pride style! To bad it was in the USA :(
by Raycetpfl on Feb 26, 2010 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so basically he never fought a one dimensional fighter? I guess Chael is right!
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All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
He's fought plenty of one-dimensional fighters, don't kid yourself.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 26, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
in his UFC run, with the exception of Irvin (if you want to call him one dimensional I’m fine with that), who else was one dimensional? Closest thing to one dimensional is Maia, who he’s scheduled to fight but hasn’t faced yet.
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All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
Leites.
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naw, I wouldn’t call him one dimensional, he can hang with strikers, he may not be an elite striker but he’s not clueless either IMO.
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All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
Maybe it's just that Anderson made him look 1-dimensional.
Laying there like a line-segment on the canvas and all.
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Well, since they didn’t actually fight, you can’t really say he faced him.
Did you see the size of that chicken?
by Heenan on Feb 26, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
ZING!
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Note that I didn't say only in his UFC run.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 26, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it's a little silly to talk about ancient history, don't you think?
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It's a bit silly to make it seem like Chael is the least worthy opponent he's ever faced.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 26, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well sure.
But that doesn’t make him worthy.
And you’ll note that that wasn’t my point.
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I don’t think anyone is saying Chael is unworthy, just saying that Anderson has in fact faced wrestlers.
Everywhere I’m go, all them guys they says to me to kick for to him!
All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
Meh, that's how I read your initial comment.
Then again that’s how I read most things you say about Brazilian fighters.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 26, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
so basically he never fought a one dimensional fighter? I guess Chael is right!
so to you that implies Chael is not worthy? Perhaps you are the biased one here, not me…
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Yeah, probably so.
What can I say, I haven’t had my coffee yet.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 26, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
i disagree
with the perception that dan decided to stand with silva in the second round. being unable to get the takedown is not the same as deciding to stand with somebody.
Danny Boy slipped loading
up on a big uppercut, Chuck Liddell style…
He then got caught with a shin to the forehead…
And that was that…
Dan is the man…He just slipped.
He slipped because he was wobbled.
Let’s not rewrite history.
And he was already starting to look pretty winded in the second round.
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Dan was a wrestler but as a fighter you could argue that he isn’t a wrestler the same way you would consider fighters like Chael, Maynard, or Guida. Dan went more toward the route of Chuck Liddell, striker that uses wrestling for takedown defense and anti-Jitz to stay standing.
I think the distinction that Chael is making that excluded Henderson for MMA wrestlers is one that uses wrestling as an offensive attack vs wrestlers that use it for defensive purposes.
I am not saying Dan wouldn’t or hasn’t ever used his wrestling for offense, Dan started the first round of his fight with Anderson and took him down but he didn’t stick with that gameplan into the second round.
So if Henderson is not a wrestler, I’m allowed to say that Sonnen isn’t MMA fighter, neither is Guida and all those one dimensional guys……………………………………………OMG!!!
by dancingChicken on Feb 26, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Wrestlers are
More 3 dimensional than any other dicipline…
The Nate/NIck Diaz’s of the world just burn up inside when they have to fight wrestlers…
Because…
Gracie JJ < Wrestling
Who was
the last wrester that Nick Diaz fought?? Shamrock doesn t count either…
I think it is in his contract that he cannot fight against wrestlers…
Thats why Nick hasnt lost in a long time…
best wrestlers in the game? lindland < jacare, henderson < lil nog or big nog , sonnen < damian mia. when the best wrestler go against the best bjj guys bjj hasnt done too bad.
And please don’t use the Diaz as your example. He is good not the best.of the best. PS sonnen got triangles by Griffin. Then later stated " the only guys Anderson beat at lhw are un-athletic guys" failed to mention one of those guys.tapped him.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 26, 2010 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ah, Couture vs. Nog
The classic contest between Old and Busted.
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Ouch. Way to shit on some legends. That was a fantastic fight. All joking aside.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 26, 2010 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was a joke!
And a good one, I thought…
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Nog is a bigger fighter than couture...
Brock vs Frank…
Healty Frank vs Healthy Nog would be good…
Brock vs any HW BJJ BB…
I wanna see Jon Jones fight any of the top 5 LHW…
Gray vs BJ would be better than Gray v Diaz or BJ vs Edgar…
Wrestlers dont get KTFO like Damian Maia…
sound of buzzer
“Gracie JJ < Wrestling”
Talk to Dan Severn about that. Wrestlers are effective, but without submission knowledge, they get tapped.
certified warlord
Yeah. ROYCE TAPPED HIM your point is invalid.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 26, 2010 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you’re missing the point I was trying to make. Basically there are fighters that use their wrestling base as an offensive tool vs some fighters that use it as a defensive tool to allow them to attack with their striking. There are a lot of wrestlers that are boring and get labeled lay n prayers vs ones that actually GnP.
What I interpret from Chael’s comments that lead him to ignore Hendo’s wrestling pedigree is that Dan falls into the group of wrestlers that only uses wrestling for takedown defense to keep a fight standing. I know he used it in the first round of his fight with Silva and the second round he did have some take down attempts but the exchanges that led up to him getting submitted he started to try and strike with Silva. I feel that if he still wanted to take Silva down he would have been more defensive in his striking vs attacking thus getting countered and dazed, leaving him open for the sub.
Dan started the first round of his fight with Anderson and took him down but hedidn’tcouldn’t stick with that gameplan into the second round.
:p
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That was a perfect explination on a thread that will be troll city. It probably doesn’t help that sonnen says every thing through a “you might be a red neck” filter
by timthemit53 on Feb 26, 2010 11:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That was
In reference to young guns post
by timthemit53 on Feb 26, 2010 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I seem to remember the first round of Hendo/Silva included a takedown...
…and some ground-n-p….illow punches. If that wasn’t wrestling in the Chael Sonnen style (take somebody down, sit on them and don’t do any damage) I don’t know what is.
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Sonnen is a bit more aggressive on the top than you're giving him credit for.
Henderson was laying on Silva to wear him out. Sonnen is very active with his GnP.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 26, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's why his vicious ground and pound has stopped exactly....
zero people in the WEC/UFC?
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by jemaleddin on Feb 26, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Didn't say that it's stoppage worthy, I said it's more active.
Sonnen mauled Marquardt and Okami, two of the biggest and strongest MWs in the world, from every position, ragdolled them like it was no big deal, and set an absolutely furious pace. Sonnen is a volume puncher, not a power puncher. Doesn’t make his GnP any less effective.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 26, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well yeah it does.
If your GnP NEVER stops anybody, it’s not effective. His wrestling is CLEARLY effective since he takes people down at will, but who looked more beat up after the last fight, Nate or Chael? Which is crazy considering how many minutes Nate spent on his back.
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If his GnP combined with his pace make it near impossible for his opponent to do anything, then I would say it’s effective. Nate’s offense consisted of a desperate guillotine and one elbow. If that’s not effective GnP I don’t know what is.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 26, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're confusing GnP with wrestling.
His wrestling makes it hard for his opponents to do anything… except submit him, from time to time.
It’s the “P” that’s missing from the equation.
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Not quite.
If a pure wrestler takes a guy down and then does nothing, he will get swept, submitted, et al. It’s the offense, combined with the wrestling, combined with the pace that make Chael so difficult to deal with when he takes guys down. Hard to mount much offense when there’s constantly a fist in your face.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 26, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Chael would have less risk laying on his opponent then being active from the top. Every wrestler needs to stay active enough not to get stood up but it doesn’t take much to look like you’re working for position to avoid the ref intervening. I wouldn’t call Chael a lay n pray wrestler, he is active and does appear to throw hard punches.
In his fight with Nate, Chael sacrificed punching power for more consistent control. He could have postured up and started throwing, which at some points he did but immediately stopped to maintain position otherwise that can leave him more vulnerable to sweeps and other bottom subs.
Looking back at previous fights, the one big change I saw was that Chael was playing a smarter gameplan using his wrestling strengths to maintain the lowest risk for being caught in submittions he fell victim to in the past.
Yes there are many cases of BJJ beating talented wrestlers but I do think you’re seeing more recently a change in a lot of the wrestlers being able to change their usual dominant position that they would take in a wrestling match to a more suitable one for avoiding submission attempts.
Gonna have to disagree there cos if Sonnen does that to Silva he’s the new UFC MW champ! And deservedly so. It’s moot to say he didn’t knock him out… who cares, he pwned him! Marquart was very disappointing tho.
This is getting crazy...
I’m not arguing that Chael’s style in ineffective.
I’m arguing that it’s not effective ground-n-pound because that would imply that he was effectively hurting people by pounding them on the ground.
His wrestling? EFFECTIVE AS FUCK. He can get people on the ground all day. But the pounding part isn’t working out as well.
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He might not stop anybody, but that doesn’t mean his ground and pound isn’t nasty. Fedor in his Pride heyday was famous for his ground & pound but didn’t get the finish in some of his most famous beatings.
Watch Sonnen’ss fight with Bryan Baker at WEC 33 and come back and tell me his ground and pound isn’t nasty & aggressive. That was one of the worst beatings I have ever witnessed in the modern era of MMA. Sonnen just demolished that poor kid, and Baker is no slouch.
Remember...
Chael Sonnen is five strikes away from the Middleweight belt; head to chest, five rounds in a row.
by gavingavinkindgavin on Feb 26, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
His 5-strikes away from a victory is probably one of the best solutions to countering and defeating Silva. At least he’s not thinking like Irvin and Cote, “he can land 10, I just need to land one blow.”
"There's nothing cool about taking punishment" - Floyd Mayweather Jr.
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 26, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
5 strikes away from the victory. Sun Tzu doesn't approve this strategy.
by dancingChicken on Feb 26, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My name is Jemal
And I approve this ass-whipping.
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by jemaleddin on Feb 26, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
as slow as that fight was . . . I loved it. Irvin was doing a great job of hyping the fight talking about training with guys who trained with Silva in Muay Thai, how Silva didn’t have a size advantage at 205, etc.
The anticipation was great, many guys like Frank Trigg thought Silva would have problems with Irvin’s 205 one-punch KO power and then that happened.
"There's nothing cool about taking punishment" - Floyd Mayweather Jr.
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 26, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
That was one of the single scariest things I’ve seen in MMA. All the hype was about how Silva could handle the jump in weight and I knew the Sandman had heavy hands. The catching of the kick and creation of the massive half moon cut over Irvin’s eye as he was pounded unconscious was one of my favorite “holy shit” moments in MMA and for me the moment that elevated Anderson to number one pound for pound.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Would you try to stand with Anderson if you were him?
by Worldisart on Feb 26, 2010 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't get in the ring with Silva if I were him.
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I just
wouldn’t get in the ring with Silva. you can even give me a baseball bat and my ass isn’t getting in that ring. With my luck, I’d swing the bat, Silva would catch, hit the bat, and a cut would just mystically appear under my right eye, no thanks, not my cup of tea.
okami, marquardt, henderson… just off the top of my head.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
Hehe...
Not long ago Chael was taken down by Demian Maia (NOT a wrestler) and then quickly subbed , no?
Chael is a good wrestler , but that’s not gonna be enough … no way . He’s hyping the fight well though.
How did I go from not liking Sonnen and now being a fan? Its weird…
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
you should probably reconsider
because that ’s a mistake.
Channel is douchier then lesnar Mir or kos. Plus he can’t stop a fight unless its by him tapping out. What’s the appeal?
by Raycetpfl on Feb 26, 2010 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
not sure if i agree on that
douchier than mir? cmon ill give u kos but mir brings an entirely new level of doucheyness to the sport
by milk72 on Feb 26, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mir finishes fights,not a racist. I am gonna have to give channel the nod on this one. it was close no doubt. He is the biggest douche in the ufc. IMHO
by Raycetpfl on Feb 26, 2010 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ugh.
Let’s not start that again, but the shit he said about chasing Anderson out of his neighborhood had very racist overtones. He didn’t say “I hate black people” (the way that heretofore unmentioned mega-douche Brock said about gays), but he had a real air of “lynch mob” in his comments.
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Are you suggesting that Oregon is a state free of racism because if you are, what? Seriously?
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
where did i even come close to suggesting that? i think Chael’s ridiculous statements are funny, and the thought of a bunch of Chael’s lynch mobbing up was a funny image to me.
Much like the recent discussion over Mir's comments...
…nobody has to believe that you’re actually capable of doing (let alone intending to do) something to give it uncomfortable overtones. Just like some people thought that Mir went too far in describing the intensity of his desire to beat Brock, a lot of people feel like Chael’s description had racial overtones.
That’s not to say that Chael hates black people or anything. In fact, his intent is irrelevant. (See: all literary criticism since post-modernism threw intent out the window.) As Jay Smooth says, it’s not about what you are, it’s about what you did.
There’s this thing called dog-whistling in politics where you say something that only part of the audience can hear. Sometimes it’s subtle and intentional – a lot of evangelical politicians will use phrases lifted from the Bible that are important to fundamentalists but seem like a normal turn of phrase to non-fundies. This to me just seemed like a lousy choice of words, but who know?
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i’d rather they just remove the vocal chords of all fighters so that all they can do is fight. people are too sensitive to most things regarding MMA. Every little thing is being blown out of proportion to the point where just about anything remotely negative is spun into the thing that is going to destroy MMA. It just wont happen though, as we’re too deep into this thing for something simple to derail the whole train.
...
If there is anyone in REAL life that looks up to you….I feel bad for them…or even anyone that pays attention to what you say…
Whats worse? Being racist>jemalleddin…
or………………….Accusing everyone and everything of being racist>jemaleddin???
You are worse…pass it on!
Way to completely understand my point.
Also: Please tell me you’re not a native speaker of English.
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i get the impression mir is just being himself and doesn’t give a damn what “regular people” think about him. i get the impression sonnen goes out of his way to piss people off, cause it gets him more attention than his fighting style does.
which is more pathetic? mir actually being a douche, or sonnen purposefully trying to portray himself as a douche for attention?
it would be an interesting poll. sonnen get’s my vote on this particular douche-off.
Don't worry - Anderson will vary things...
…by knocking him out.
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Sonnen is like the MMA fighter version of the best internet troll, how can anyone really not like him? He’s hilarious.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by AboveThisFire on Feb 26, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I’m no fan of his comedy routine :p
Everywhere I’m go, all them guys they says to me to kick for to him!
All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
Frowny face.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by AboveThisFire on Feb 26, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
so basically hes the mma fighter version of sherdog
by milk72 on Feb 26, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that's not a hypothetical
just reality waiting to happen!
Everywhere I’m go, all them guys they says to me to kick for to him!
All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
by orcus on Feb 26, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ha!
it takes some time to get used to me, I’ll spill 99% of shit you don’t agree with but every now and then we’ll agree on 1% of the issues!
Everywhere I’m go, all them guys they says to me to kick for to him!
All them is hate him. I don’t know why, but no is just me, is everybady!
Doing CRACK???
Is it me or does it seem like Chael is on CRACK!!!! Because he has the characteristics of a delusional crazy person who lost all touch with reality. Wierdo.
we call those people.....
Republicans where I am from. LOL I keed. …. I keed.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 26, 2010 11:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just realized your name isn't pronounced Dubya-Kid...
Thought you were a fan of old George until just now.
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Wrestler?
Chael who is Dan Henderson? A WRESTLER you stoopid sum of a………..!!!!!!
Mir or Chael???
Who’s the bigger Douche Mir or Chael? I say they fight til the death and winner takes the title as BIGGEST douche in MMA.
.................
Goes to show you can’t just say anything you want . Mir said it now he’ll have to deal with all the BullSh*t.
by DaBooYaKID! on Feb 26, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
i guess i cant argue that channel wouldnt lose to a bjj guy. hell he has made a career out of. …..You see what did there hehehe. Mir really is a dick. Channel doesn’t even believe the shit the comes out of his mouth. That’s why he is worse.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 26, 2010 12:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chael in Politics!!! Oh hell to the NO!!!
Chael Sonnen announces he will run for Oregon legislature…..Explains his way of thinking. Spoken like a true DICKHEAD or shall I say polotician.
Yes
Chael Sonnen is an idiot politician. He sounds like one too.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
by At Least On Paper on Feb 26, 2010 12:04 PM EST reply actions
Politictian!!
Yeah…….Chael believes in his own BullSh*t and he’s trying to make us believe his BullSh*t. Yup he’s a true Politician.
by DaBooYaKID! on Feb 26, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I can see how Chael doesn’t consider Henderson a wrestler considering Dan really loves his hands. But what about Nate Mardquardt? Isn’t he considered a wrestler?
"If your going to come on then come on!" - Harold Howard
??????
Henderson……very good wrestler. Nate is a good well rounded fighter but a great wrestler. No!
by DaBooYaKID! on Feb 26, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
No, I don’t think Nate is classified as a wrestler. I wouldn’t consider him that.
I get Sonnen is trying to hype the fight. And although Henderson is a highly credentialed wrestler, Sonnen has a point in terms of how a guy tries to fight. Sonnnen would be the first guy in a long long time who goes out and has a mission to TD and GNP, and has the actual TD ability to get the fight there.
by Hardcharger on Feb 26, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I would to see the look on Chael's face if anderson shrugged off every td and taunted him like he did Forest....he be the 1st person to shit his shorts in the octagon
by longevity on Feb 26, 2010 12:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I love the Spider but he got taken down by Travis Luter. He’s got zero chance to shrug off every Sonnen take-down. Now, knocking him silly on his way in…
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Anderson is the MAn...but...
His lanky, long limbed frame gives him few disadvantages…
It is very rare that you have a skinny long limbed GREAT wrestler…and for very good reasons
Skinny long limbed guys are NOT good at defending takedowns and can be marginal at best on the ground…
Andersons BJJ is great for a skinny long legged guy…fact of the matter is, if he is not standing, he is at a disadvantage…
For the record, Chael is more of a Freestyle wrestler (double leg takedowns), Danny Boy NEVER goes for double legs…IN Greco Roman, you cannot touch the LEGS!
I seem to recall EVERYBODY and their brother saying that a Greco guy has the best chance against Silva.
Now you’re going to say that Freestyle is better? Color me unconvinced that either stands a chance.
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Yeah, I remember Rogan: “Hendo is a perfect mach up to beat Silva!” ,Forrest size will give Anderson problems"!
by dancingChicken on Feb 26, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't the only one.
Randy (not surprisingly) jumped on the bandwagon, as did others. And the way they described it made some sense.
Well, until Dan tapped out, that is.
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the hype for Henderson vs. Silva was going hard well before Hendo came into the UFC. It was once said, that Lindland and Henderson were the fighters to give Silva competition.
"There's nothing cool about taking punishment" - Floyd Mayweather Jr.
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 27, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Chael is a Greco guy too
I mean, he probably did his fair share of folk/free-style wrestling as well, but he is a 2 time college champ in Greco, and (I believe) he was an Olympic alternate for Greco.
FIRST OF ALL!
Long limbs are extremely.advantageous both striking and bjj, idk about wrestling . I will write a letter to Jon Jones or jon fitch to see what he thinks about that. Double legging Anderson is a horrible idea. That’s where he keeps his knees.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 26, 2010 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
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“That’s where he keeps his knees.”
WOW. Nice.
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Long limbs are both a blessing and a curse in wrestling.
Lanky guys are a bitch to get a hold of because they use that length to keep you away from their torso, but once you do get a good grip on them, their high center of gravity works against them.
The only thing that andersons frame helps him in...
with ANY sort of grappling is …BODY TRIANGLES…
He cant submit with a regular triangle around the head/arm>—-Lutter…
Limbs are too long…
Jon Jones is an exception…One of very few…so is Jon fitch…Also, who won the grappling match…Jon Fitch or GSP??
Not the long limbed guy…
“he be the 1st person to shit his shorts in the octagon”
Actually Tim Sylvia holds that distinction.
by ufc4 on Feb 26, 2010 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Oh well.... he is certainly entertaining
Come on, we know he isn’t that ignorant. In fact, most of us know that Sonnen would probably not win a match with Dan Henderson
Quite the contrary
I think Sonnen would kick Henderson’s ass. Henderson is just about done, that’s why the UFC had no problem letting him go. He knocked out Bisping, big deal. Bisping can’t even beat old-ass Silva, shoulda lost to Hamill, etc.
Damn, if the #2 ranked 185er in the world is “just about done” that doesn’t say a lot for the rest of the division.
by ufc4 on Feb 26, 2010 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's what, 39? How much longer do you think he has?
I’d say the butterball pop-up timer should be hitting 170 any day now.
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Tell that to Randy Couture 8 years ago. No, I’m not saying that Dan Henderson is the same as Couture, I’m saying just because he’s getting older doesn’t mean he’s “just about done”, he could have another 8 fights left in him.
If we're going to argue by example, how many 37-year-olds have you heard declared done?
Chuck was 37 when everyone declared him done.
Jens is 35.
Nog is 33.
I’m not saying any of those guys are done. I’m just saying that 39 is not exactly the prime of life for ANYONE in MMA outside of Randy.
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Dan is a lot tougher than Randy...
Dans only problem is that he is not as marketable as Randy…due to personality alone…
Dan, actually will probably last longer than Randy, physically…
Dan, Matt L, Randy, and Chael were all BuTT buddies before ANY camps were even established in the UFC…
Team Quest was the first….or close to it…
I would let Dan Hederson have sex with my sister…Maybe Randy too…But not Chael, unless he wins his seat in the Senate…Which I think he will…
Hendo > Sonnen?!? Oh no you didn't
Hendo would be the worst fight conceivable for Chael Sonnen. We’re talking Chael doing the worm on his back and Hendo celebrating by the second round easy. And I’m talking about THE ONLY way this fight can go.
He wouldn’t be able to take Hendo down. And he would not even come close standing up. He wouldn’t even be saying this stuff about Anderson not fighting a wrestler if Hendo were still in the UFC. Hendo used to punk DANA in those vlogs, Chael wouldn’t even retain the title of “locker room hoe-down music boss”
damn, it’s such a hard conclusion to repeat that I couldn’t even point the greater-than sign in the right direction…
There is really no indication that “Henderson is just about done.” It’s not like he can’t stuff takedowns anymore, and he is still able to take his opponents down and work from the clinch. Also, discrediting opponents is pretty ridiculous because the same applies to Sonnen and his opponents as well. It wasn’t that long ago that Sonnen lost to Demian Maia in the first round getting lateral dropped/taken down by him.
Looking forward to Silva v Chael more than Lesnar v Mir again.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
You're all assuming Mir gets by Carwin?
If I had to pick, I’d root for Mir just to piss off Mir-haters, but I think there’s a VERY good chance Carwin stops him in the first.
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i dont like Silva but,
chael is stupid. henderson is an olympic caliber wrestler and a better striker than sonnen, and silva tapped him. i think sonnen has a shot at silva, but henderson had a better one
As silly as Sonnen sounds, he is making new fans for himself and making some MMA fans believe that he can beat Anderson Silva
The big hole in his statement is that Anderson fought Dan Henderson, While some argue that Henderson decided to stand and trade with Anderson in the second round, that is not entirely true. Henderson did go for takedowns against Anderson in the second round even pushing him against the cage, but Anderson stuffed them. Many like to point out that Anderson got taken down by Lutter, but my problem with that is simply that Anderson fought Lutter on February 07, and that Anderson may be a different fighter than he was then. I have to wonder if the Anderson now would go for reckless flying knees like he did back then.
Anderson wasn’t healthy going into the Lutter fight.
by ufc4 on Feb 26, 2010 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lutter was fat.
Not unhealthy.
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Anderson
had 2 bad knees going into the Lutter fight..He got surgery directly after that fight..
He postponed the surgery to take the Lutter fight..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Meanwhile, Lutter still says that he was healthy as a horse...
…and has no idea why he couldn’t make weight.
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And a spare tire.
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Anderson Silva predicted the outcome of that fight....
apparently Lutter had defeated a team-mate of Andersonz by triangle choke… Anderson Silva vowed to avenge hiz team-mate by defeating Lutter via Triangle…..
"If I told you I was good, you would think I am boasting. If I told you I was not good, you would know I am lying" Bruce Lee
Chael vs Dan
Wasn’t Hendo a 2 time Olympic Wrestler for the US and Chael was an alternate? Chael has lost to Prangley, Forrest Griffin, Jeremy Horn(x2), Terry Martin, Sobral, Paulo Filho.
Chael needs to learn something besides wrestling if he wants to beat silva. If Silva loses to Maia which he won’t, Chael should switch weight classes becuase he has been subbed 7 times out of his ten losses.
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