Fedor Emelianenko Will Only Fight Alistair Overeem If He Passes Pre-Fight Drug Tests
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2010 10:27 PM EST
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From Head Kick Legend (via MixFight.nl):
M-1's Apy Echteld said that they were interested in fighting Overeem, however they would not fight unless Overeem was drug tested leading up to the fight. In response, Martijn de Jong from Overeem's team expressed his belief that Fedor deserves a shot at this Strikeforce title, and that they look forward to a potential fight.
Alistair Overeem's size has grew massively over the years since his days at light heavyweight, and naturally, it prompted unfounded steroid talk among the fans around the web. It is interesting to note though, that while M-1 seem hesitant here, they were more than willing to face Barnett who already had a documented history with steroids, although that and the cancellation of Affliction 3 could have also played a part in their decision.
According to M-1 officials, Fedor has Werdum up next this May, but a potential title fight against Overeem is still tentatively planned to happen in 2010. So I guess we'll have to wait and see if Mayweather/Pacquiao-like issues arise in trying to set up this match up. In the meantime, what's next for Alistair? Well Head Kick Legend has mentioned rumors of him participating in a K-1 Yokohama event, or in a Strikeforce bout against Brett Rogers.
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If Overeem passes the drug test, I think it would say more about our current testing regime than whether or not he’s using.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 25, 2010 10:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yeah, cause no matter what Alistair is a roider, right?
*rolls eyes
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2010 10:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The man has muscle groups never observed before in humans!
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
by Ubernoober on Feb 25, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s because he’s becoming a horse.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 25, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Bold Statement...
"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni
by midwestbred on Feb 25, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Bold reply
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Someone beat you to it ^ (my italics)
by John Nash on Feb 25, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No
He really mean BOLDesterone. It’s a stronger form of BOLDenone.
by Patrick John McGreevy on Feb 26, 2010 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
Boldly bolding where no man has bolded before.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 25, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
um...yes, he is on steroids
for a poster who i follow everyday on this site you are way to naive about the proliferation of enhanacers in this spor.
Oh snap. Photographs of a buff guy
That’s guaranteed to hold up in court.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Feb 25, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Your lying eyes.
Look. It’s up to you to make up your mind. The pictures are the pictures.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 25, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
the pictures also increase in size...
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 26, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
biceps and traps...
Your biceps are naturally the size of your calf muscles…
Alistairs biceps are the size of A CALF!!!
Also, your biceps cannot naturally be the size of your head…
When the Militech camp was dominant…they were ALL on steroids…
They weened themselves off the Juice in a coordinated fashion with the regulatory commissions…
There is only one fighter in ALL of MMA that is currently more juiced up that Alistair…
Marius Pudzianowski…sp?
Zzzzz...
wake me up when you have something better.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 26, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
and 5 years to pack all that muscle? Mir gained a lot more weight in a few months.
innocent until proven guilty people.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 26, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No one accepts this montage as good evidence – the scale of the pics is completely off, so there’s no reliable comparison.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 26, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
anyone know what the line is for overeem vs piss test?
by Chuntsman949 on Feb 26, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the point is, if he tests clean,
why would people assume he is still on roids?
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 26, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, if you cycle correctly you can still be on steroids and pass a scheduled urine test. Much harder to pass a blood test though. You also can test for HGH in a blood test, which currently I don’t think is possible in a urine test. If Overeem were to pass a blood test, I think you’d see a lot less criticism.
I know that,
but I personally couldn’t care less, as long as he passes… If he fails, then he deserves all the shit people can..well, poop, and throw at him.. But as of now, it’s all baseless speculation, just because the guy has huge muscles.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 26, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
All that muscle
and he still isn’t top 10. He should ask for a refund for all that horse meat.
Its not baseless speculation
The guy’s put on huge amounts of “lean muscle” in a relatively short time. No, its not hard to simply gain 30-40lbs in that amount of time. It is however, nearly impossible, to gain that amount of “lean muscle” over that amount of time without. Some of the most genetically gifted professional bodybuilders, who take large amounts of juice, can’t put on that amount of muscle while maintaining bodyfat under 10%… and all they do is lift weights strictly to get bigger.
People can argue about this all day long, if you have any history of being in a weightlifting environment, this is a no brainer… its actually not even worth arguing about because its so obvious. But we can all pretend to be pc and say its all baseless speculation cause the “the guy has huge muscles.”
What's all this talk that if you don't get caught it's ok?
Also, the fact that he’s gone from 190 to 265 in a few years (and it’s all muscle) is just one piece of evidence. Look at his jaw line! Training doesn’t do that.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
the bloated fleshy face seems to make it obvious. more so than just pure skeletal muscle gain
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
Do you have a statistical measure for face bloat?
Or are you just eyeballing it and then talking out of your ass?
by George Lucas on Feb 26, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a new wave of study. Researchers are calling it the single most vital tool for humans. Believe they’re calling it, Commonus Sensus. XP
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by fedorade on Feb 26, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i am so sick of people defending this guy, and using ‘oh, Barnett’s still a chunker even with roids.’ Many people who use roids do so in a moderate manner in order to not raise red flags. to me, Allistair clearly doesn’t care and is unabashedly trying to turn himself into a horse/man, like that old spice commercial. This shit is more obvious than Barry Bonds. this is all IMO, I do not claim this as substantiated fact.
that being said, I’m not even that strongly against use of PED’s in pro sports, i think it’s something that will just become regulated over time
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
I’m not defending anyone, just saying your “common sense” thinking is shit.
Plenty of people that get popped don’t look like they’re juicing, plenty of people that look they are juicing don’t. Common sense doesn’t factor in.
i can’t dispute the second sentence of this comment.
however, i didn’t claim it was common sense. i work out with a number of guys who have juiced to get big, as well as many guys who have put on substantial amounts of muscle (30-40 pounds over a a few years) without using (they have generally started out as scrawny bitches, not ripped athletes). i have never seen anyone go through similar changes to Allistair without using a substantial amount of anabolic agents.
to respond to George Lucas’ point, no i don’t have a face-bloatometer statistic or whatever, but Overeem has gotten substantially larger, and the only part of him that has shown any gain in fat or non-muscle mass is his face.
IF the dude ever takes any drug test and passes it, I will change my tune. deep down, i will think he somehow beat the test, but I will recognize that he did test clean if he does
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
Will Fedor turn down the fight if Overeem tests positive for Stevia?
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
He better. Have you seen Dan Quin’s body. He’s forty or something and it looks like papier machete.
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by Neil Manich on Feb 25, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
So he wants to fight him in Strikeforce
For the title, which is where he’s been focusing most of his energy on anyway. And he wants to fight him in America where he’s been trying to turn himself into a brand. And he also suspects Megareem’s juicin harder than Brucie in GTA. Nothing major here, but I just hope this doesn’t turn in a big deal. I don’t want this to turn into a huge argument about whether or not Fedor’s ducking Overeem.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
You bolders made me look like an asshole somehow.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Feb 25, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
If he isn't dodging a fight with overeem...
he should be. Nothing to gain and everything to lose.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Fedor fought in pride and japan numerous times with no testing. why care now?
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
This is kind of a silly statement. He cares now because he has the power to care, plain and simple. And by power, I mean enough control over his own career to decide that this is a condition under which he wants his fights to be booked.
Sound a lot like Floyd Mayweather
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
You bolding assholes broke the page!
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 25, 2010 10:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh good
I fixed it.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 25, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
With ample supplies of bold?
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah.. still broken.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 25, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Our font's bulking up cause it feels inadequate next to Overeem.
He’s like a bolded 205 pounder.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 25, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 14 recs
that's a bold rec
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
LOLZ
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 25, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
arlovski vs. overeem at dream 13
don’t quote me on this, but quote me on this
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on Feb 25, 2010 10:48 PM EST reply actions
This page has died from TMB
Too Much Bold
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
OK back to the subject at hand
I am now pretty sure Overeem will be fighting someone (Brett Rogers?) on the May CBS card as a co-main event with Fedor and Werdum. The evidence:
- Overeem said earlier in the year he would not be available to fight for Strikeforce before May.
- Coker has pledged several times that Overeem will fight for Strikeforce in the first (fiscal?) quarter of 2010.
- Coker has said he really wants to get Overeem on CBS, especially opposite Fedor, to set up a ppv
- Coker is now promising a ppv before the end of the year
Overeem will be fighting in May against Rogers. Book it.
I would if I could.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 25, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I wish you could.
And this bold shit is freaky. I post something. it’s not bold. Close the page and come back and it’s friggin’ bold.
Spooky
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck all of your bold. It’s not the size of the font that matters, it’s what you do with it.
And Overeem-Rogers in May to set up an Overeem-Fedor fight? Problem is that Rogers could (and should) be the favourite in that fight. He wins, he’s got the belt, their only option is Rogers-Fedor II, which is a good fight, but not PPV worthy.
They’d probably give Ubereem Antonio Silva. Uber’d win that.
There would be no reason to give Silva a title shot coming off a loss to Werdum. But with Rogers they have an out – he was scheduled to fight Overeem for the title in June but Overeem dropped out. They could just claim they are finally giving Brett his promised title shot.
Is anybody really going to get worked up that Silva didn’t earn a title shot? I mean who actually cares about Strikeforce’s heavyweight belt. They gave Overeem a title shot in his first fight with the org.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Feb 25, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’d probably be too shocked that there actually is a title fight to care much to be honest. It’s going to be a fighter coming off of a loss if it’s not fedor, no poitn in picking hairs between who is who.
If Werdum is fighting Fedor, almost any breathing hw would be a fine matchup for Overeem, especailly since the odds are that it will be a massive upgrade over his recent mma competition.
man, I thought you guys were all purposefully doing bold. Why the fuck was my above post in bold? I meant for it to be in plain text.
On Silva- yeah, you might be right, but frankly the SF HW belt in itself is essentially meaningless, or has been up until now.
Of course the disaster which could emerge is Antonio Silva somehow winning and becoming SF champ, which would probably be the funniest thing ever. But Bigfoot-Uber would be an entertaining matchup, and given Bigfoot’s tendency to stand and fight, Uber should be able to beat him pretty handily, probably within a round. Silva is a legit HW whom Uber nonetheless matches up very well with stylistically.
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Milord! The peasants are revoltin'!
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
by Ubernoober on Feb 25, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Gee, Brain, what do you want to do tonight?
The same thing we do every night, Pinky—try to take over the world!
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by Damon O. on Feb 25, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd with every bold inch of my body
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, glad I'm not the only one.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 25, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
lol @ Nick Thomas
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
srsly
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 25, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
We finally really did it. You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you. God damn you all to hell.
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@deowade
by Damon O. on Feb 25, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Would love to see this fight but I jsut dont see it coming to fruition. Just like Pacman vs Money, too many issues. Fedor wants him drug tested, Uber wants to fight anywhere but Strikeforce apparently. If Strikeforce falls from all of this, will Fedor ever sign with the UFC?
"Call that Amber Lamps"
Ubernoober doesn't want to fight for Strikeforce?
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
No he doesnt want to fight for them, if he did, why go 2 years without defending your belt? B/c the competition is so much stiffer in Dream? James Thompson, are you kidding me? He would be tested here, the CSAC would test his piss and it would glow! Fight in Japan, its all good.
"Call that Amber Lamps"
by DallasMMAFan on Feb 25, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
I can totally kick Megareem’s ass in the pissing clean competition.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
His piss has massive lats and delts.
"Call that Amber Lamps"
by DallasMMAFan on Feb 25, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I want to see how Ubereem does against someone that's inside of the top 20
Before I say how he’ll do against Fyodor.
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
Yeah
Overeem’s really unknown at this point. He could be awesome, but he could be terrible.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Feb 25, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Just sayin'
When was the last time he fought someone that wasn’t garbage?
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@deowade
Well he just fought Hari. But in MMA its been since the pre bloat.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Feb 25, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Look at his MMA
record, he is average at best.
KId Nate
Is obviously somehow editing people’s posts and making them all bold. As there is a fairly overwhelming amount of supporting evidence, I suggest a perma ban for the menace that is known as Kid Nate, to save the Bloody Elbow community..
by Patrick John McGreevy on Feb 25, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Kid Nate Rec'd your comment
Without there being a picture of a pretty lady in it. You win.
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@deowade
Oh...
So Fedor is afraid of Ubereem? Right.
Sorry, but ubereem is terrible.
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by At Least On Paper on Feb 25, 2010 11:16 PM EST reply actions
To use and old quote, “if you’re scared just say you’re scared” this is really weak but sadly that’s been the norm when it comes to Fedor and M1. If he was talking about Barnett then that would be a legit request because he’s a multiple time offender.
But regardless of any questions I have of Overeem’s new found size, i’m not one to accuse people when there is no proof. Fedor really keeps looking worse and worse as long as he let’s these clowns talk for him the last thing he needs is to pull a PBF.
Fedor vs Roidereem for the vacent DREAM title
They should just fight in japan, would be epic
by KimboSliceGoHard! on Feb 26, 2010 12:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
All of Overeem’s K1 and Dream opponents should make him test for PEDs also.
Overeem should come out and demand that he be tested for performance-enhancing drugs before every fight, whether it’s held in Los Angeles or Tokyo or anywhere else.
Why? Why would he do anything to dispel rumors. Its not like people talking has hurt his career.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Feb 26, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
note: people = internet fans..
hardly anyone outside of the internet fans have made a legit accusation.
The only time it came up, I think, was in the werdum AO smacktalk, and it was harldy anything with basis.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 26, 2010 12:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
had to say it three times for clarification?
:)
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sorry.
I hate that it always happens when I post using my phone.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 26, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
IF you think Overreem is not Juicing...
YOu probably think that OJ did not do it…
And you also think that OJ might KNOW the person who did do it…
Why is everybody in this thread so angry?
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Hahaha
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
About
halfway through her third trimester approximately.
That is a worried man.
by Patrick John McGreevy on Feb 26, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
Because it would be bad for their anti-UFC/pro everything else agenda.
by ufc4 on Feb 26, 2010 9:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
link to report of failed test?
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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 26, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, that fight happened. /facepalm me
Well, Barnetto failed his test. I meant to point out that I wasn’t sure why Nate mentioned the Barnett situation as thought it were somehow a slight to M-1.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Feb 26, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Overeem is fighting at the Yokohama Event..
So don’t expect to see him at Strikeforce at the end of April or the DREAM show at the end of March.
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by Verklemptomaniac on Feb 26, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions
testing the bold issue
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 26, 2010 9:43 AM EST reply actions
It makes perfect sense to me that Fedor would want Overeem to be tested before a fight. There’s been so much speculation about Overeem being juiced that, whether it’s true or not, Fedor might just want him tested to shut everyone up. OR… maybe he’s hoping Overeem doesn’t test clean, and he can beat him anyway. :)
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Anton and other defenders of Alistair,
do any of you guys regularly weightlift? I’ve been doing it for nearly 20 years, and I think he’s definitely on steroids and/or HGH. Of course, I think most professional athletes either currently are or have been at one point anyway.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Feb 26, 2010 10:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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