Fedor Emelianenko vs. Fabricio Werdum Off April Card, Rescheduled to May
by Nick Thomas on Feb 25, 2010 6:20 PM EST
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An M-1 Selection press conference was held today.Scott Coker confirms April 17 in Nashville with mmafighting.com:
Vadim Finkelstein announced that Fedor's Emelianenko's next bout was rescheduled from April to May. His opponent remains the same: Fabricio Werdum.
"We've been putting most of our efforts into the fight tomorrow night," Coker said of the Strikeforce Challengers card on Friday in San Jose. "But we'll have some announcements next week, for sure. ... We will be having a fight in Nashville on April 17, but the rest of the information we'll be announcing next week."More details coming soon.
HT: tv100.ru, TSGIGOR (translated by TMR)
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Will this be televised or held in Dick Cheney’s underground bunker?
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Most things that happen in Dick Cheney’s underground bunker can only be documented by one thing—Dick Cheney’s eyes.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Russian mobsters ALWAYS move an announced bout back one month… its their hallmark.
by bleve_ on Feb 25, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You pays moneys nows yes, we brings the Fedor. Half nows, half laters.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
by Ubernoober on Feb 25, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So
the April card is most likely Showtime and May CBS. I doubt CBS would do back to back cards but I guess stranger things have happened.
Hendo/Shields in April and Fedor/Werdum in May with Walker, Lashley, King Mo, Mousasi, Walker, and Melendez and Aoki all getting scheduled within those 2 dates?
My problem is this...
If Werdum beats Fedor, would anyone really be able to call him the number 1 HW in the world?
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
JDS is a monster a great stand up fighter and all but don’t take that fight as anything more than it is.,
Werdum in a failed attempt to move up in weight to compete with the Lesnars n such packed on a ton of weight.
JDS could KO him again but Im betting Werdum would do much much better..
Anyone wanna see JDS vs Arlovski? I think that would be sick.. Is JDS ever gunna fight a ground fighter? He will never fight for the belt until he fights a wrestler and that might be the end of him
by p123 on Feb 25, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So now we should
just put aside his loss? That is complete crap. If Werdum wins he might be a top 5 HW. I like how it’s all fighters NOT in the UFC are better than advertised, but when they are in the UFC and get a loss it shouldn’t count.
I also like how a UFC released/washout suck while in the UFC but is AWESOME after he leaves.
No HW on Earth can run through the current top 5 UFC HW and come through undefeated.
Including UFC HWs.
And you can say that about any division. Captain Obvious, ride!
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
No that loss puts JDS on the map. It shouldnt drop Werdum much. Yea people r trying to tell me that hendo sux now lol
People who send Hendo sucks are retarded.
He is the best 185 not named Anderson. I actually want to see Hendo vs GSP (when he jumps)
Leapfrogging is bad...
See Bowles and Serra. Both of whom did quite well to get injured after their big wins.
After Fedor’s last fight, I’d favor JDS, Brock, and Cain over him.
Id have him even money against Frank Mir.
I can’t favor Brock over anyone until I see how he looks back in the Octagon. If he’s back to what he was it’s hard to bet against him.
JDS is the one who in my opinion clearly has the best tools to beat Fedor. He’s got wicked striking, power, and reach. He’s the only fighter (outside of how Brock looks next fight) that I would actually take over Fedor. The matchup is that good in JDS favor.
Cain I’m split on. Part of me says he’ll take Fedor down at will and pound him, the other part says Fedor still has the speed to finish Cain on his feet or catch him in a submission on the ground. So I still favor Fedor a little.
I would definitely still take him over Mir or Cain though. I think both those guys, while bigger and stronger, are too slow on their feet not to eat a haymaker.
Interesting, but I’d have to disagree with JDS. With as much as Cro Cop was able to hit him, I’m not willing to say that Fedor probably wouldn’t land that punch that’s cremated so many others. But yeah, Cain and Brock would probably roast him (Brock partially because he weighs so much more).
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Feb 26, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not. Fedor only has that spot because he’s had it for so long. No matter who beats Fedor Brock automatically gets number 1 spot
I wonder why this is.
is it pushed back because of the hand injury from the sambo competition?
Does CBS not want to do an April show and Fedor won’t do Showtime?
Is something more nefarious afoot?
None of the above?
If anybody ever does beat Fedor they wont get the credit.
People will just say that Fedor is past his prime so the win doesnt count.
Need proof? See Cro Cop and Big Nog. The moment these guys lost in the Octagon it was because they were “past their prime”.
People hate to give credit to the UFC hw’s because Fedor is not there and if guys like Cro Cop, Big Nog, Herring, and Coleman where tearing up the UFC hw division then they could say Fedor has already destroyed the guys that are on top of the UFC hw division.
But since they are not and new fighters like Velazquez, Dos Santos, and Lesnar are on top they have to discredit them with things like Big Nog was past his prime, Dos Santos “caught Werdum”, and Lesnar has only beat a “45 year old man”.
Need proof? See Cro Cop and Big Nog. The moment these guys lost in the Octagon it was because they were "past their prime".
You’re right, factoring in 76 combined former fights for two veterans does a complete disservice to those three UFC heavyweights who only have 24 fights between the three of them.
So let me get this straight, labeling Noguiera and Crocop and Coleman as past their prime is some kind of conspiracy by some to make Fedor look better. Wow.
by bleve_ on Feb 25, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You missed my point
I’m not saying they are in their prime but what this what 1 loss for Nog(because the Mir win didnt count since he had staph right).
What if Nog comes back to win 7 in a row is he still past his prime.As for Cro Cop, people were saying he was past his prime the moment he lost to Gonzaga.
Yes does their age and expierence play a factor in why they lost? Some yes but people act like the only way Nog can lose if he is completely "past his prime:.
Same with Fedor it wont matter if Fedor feels better than he has in all of his previous fights if he loses to Werdum nobody will say Werdum was just the better fighter they will say Fedor is past his prime.
Just to add on here
and I do respect your opinion on this.
But the main 4 hw’s in Pride. Fedor, Cro Cop, Barnett, and Big Nog. People are so convinced that those are the 4 best mma hw’s of all time that if they lose it has to be because their past their prime.
There is no win situation for a hw when he faces 1 of those 4 because people will always say if Fedor, Cro Cop, Barnett, or Big Nog were in their prime hw would have destroyed ______.
hw even if he is more skilled than a Nog or Cro Cop will never get the credit because “their past their prime”.
Who's measuring stick are you going by
Fans on an mma forum, or some real analysis? When you say, “people will always say…” it leads me to believe you mean spirited fans, which will always be the case. I don’t think professional analysts and commentators would ever say that.
It depends on what you're looking at though....
If the fighters are still fighting like they did at their peak, but lose anyway, that’s one thing. It’s another when the fighters look plain bad.
Nog took dynamite from Fedor, Cro-Cop, and Bob Sapp without going out. He got clean KO’d by Velasquez, and while Cain may have even beaten a prime Nog, Nog never used to go down like that.
Cro-Cop also. If he came in like the animal he was in pride throwing combos and pushing the pace with the same ferociousness he used to have, if he lost, he lost. But when he comes in looking timid throwing nothing but straight lefts and hardly any kicks, he has lost it.
Wandy, on the other hand, fights like he always has. I don’t think he’s past his prime at all, he’s just losing to better, more well rounded guys.
The thing is we dont live in a world of if's.
MMA fans love to live in the world of if’s because it gets you the scenario you wanted to happen.
If Cro Cop was in his prime he would have head kick ko’d Gonzaga back to the last century.
If Big Nog was in his prime he would have took those shots and arm barred Cain.
If Shogun was healthy he would have destroyed Griffin.
If Dan Henderson didnt have to do a fast weight cut after the Rampage fight he would have beaten Anderson Silva.
If Werdum didnt try and pack and on the extra weight and didnt try and stand and bang with Dos Santos he would have won.
Unfortunately we dont live in the “if” world we live in the “what happened” world and so yeah it’s really easy to say these things because we will never see “prime” Cro Cop vs. Gonzaga or “Prime” Big Nog vs. Velazquez.
My whole point started out of this because even if he didnt beat a “prime” Big Nog what Cain did was still impressive and it shouldnt just be a lets discredit Cain.
What Fedor does is impressive and I still give his wins over Nog and Cro Cop more merrit than Cain or Junior but then you have to go both ways and realize Randy’s victory over Sylvia has more merrit than Fedor’s.
by bigdmmafan on Feb 25, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nog's chin has faded, and is not the unmovable object it used to be.
That said, I used to be the greatest Cain skeptic on BE. Look at my posts on the rankings. Shockingly, there are rational people here!
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I agree....
And that’s party my point. I hate it when people discredit Fedor’s wins over CC and Nog because they are like “Well look what JDS did to Cro-Cop, that proves he would kill Fedor…blah blah.”
Bottom line, the new guys are getting better, and the old guys are fading. Nothing you can do about either.
Yep…
All the greats from Fedors time from Matt Hughes to Chuck to Wand to Nog to Rich Franklin to Hendo to Crocop, etc… have all been surpassed.
Im sure if Hughes stopped fighting top competition and stuck to fighting guys like Dustin Hazelett 2 times a year he’d also likely still be considered the best.
Just from a statistical point of view to assume Fedor is still the best HW without him actually fighting the top guys of today (when all his counterparts have clearly faded away or surpassed by talent or both) is naive. He has fought and beat the top guys of 2005.
Tim Sylvia was on top in 2005 when UFC’s HW division was weaker than Prides. Arlovskis couldnt even beat Tim sylvia the 2 shots he got and has never beaten a top HW his entire career.
Tim Sylvia was beat by couture, then Nog then by Fedor.
Fedor deserves his ranking and I dont think you can take it away even if he’s still just fighting and beating the fringe of the division but the best HW today in my opinion is not Fedor and it will be proven as soon as he steps foot in the octagon, just like if Matt Hughes went away and came back into the mix of the top WW division today he’d be exposed.
In my opinion JDS, Brock and Cain would beat him and Frank Mir would be even money.
Couldn't agree more...
MMA fans in general seem to be big fans of revisionist history and discrediting fighters wins. And fact is it’s a game you could play all day long until you realize there’s never been a legitimate fighter to step in the cage.
getting old fast
Discussing Strikeforce is a little frustrating, the last minute changes and unknown dates are getting old, if one of the reasons for this is because of counter programming, its not gonna stop UFC from doing it with a pre-taped event like their last few, its not like a whole lot goes into that. If they really wanna compete with the UFC then act like it, I wish theyd quit acting like they are waiting for their parents to go to bed before they promote a fight.
I’m with you, you’re either one of the big boys, in which case act like it, or your not and just lay it out there.
by Worldisart on Feb 25, 2010 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It makes you wonder why anyone wants to speculate at length about it.
by Postpubescent on Feb 25, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Stacked card to Showtime. Fedor carries CBS card?
Fedor will not get BIGGER numbers than the previous card on CBS. 4-5 million viewers likely. I thought the whole point was to grow the CBS show.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 25, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions
What SF has become if pure comedy, I can’t wait to see how this all play out specifically for Hendo if his fights happens on Showtime instead of CBS that would be hillarious on several counts.
It didn’t… and Igor and I have chatted about this debacle offline and he knows it, too. He’s trying to be kind.
M-1 tried to put the squeeze on Scott- didn’t like the existing contract anymore and wanted to renegotiate it. Fedor on the April show was the pawn. Looks like both sides found common ground and worked it out.
CindyO on the UG
You missed TSGIGOR reply.
You surprise me here now. What does your aggression towards Fedor have to do with? What am I supposed to know according to you? That the show is rescheduled for May? I learned about that just yesterday. Why do you twist information?
We talked to you about Evgeni Kogan, a new man in M-1 who’s a great MMA specialist, plus about the fact that no one is leaving his function. What are you aiming at here?
Do you want to make me your opponent from M-1 side? That’s fine but you know well that I’m not working for them, I’m just friends with them. I have my own business. I respect M-1 people for all their work as much as I respect UFC. For me MMA is not business but a passion.
You really surprised me. Is that a provocation?
of course she is 100% innacurate, and the guy who said Fedor didn’t fight at the Sambo tournament should be trusted implicitly.
My guess, and it really is a guess, is that Fedor is being moved to May so that they can get Overeem on the card. In December Overeem said he couldn’t fight for Strikeforce until May because of a March or April K-1 commitment. According to mmafighting (how accurate are they?) Coker has promised that Overeem (and Aoki) will be fighting in the first (fiscal) quarter of the year for Strikeforce. He has also mentioned that he wants to put Fedor and Overeem on the same card – not against each other – to build up for a ppv they plan for later in the year.
My thinking is that Strikeforce ran into a lot problems trying to get Overeem on the April card, and when they couldn’t they decided to move the CBS card to May. Thankfully they also ran into the Super Six Tournament bouncing around, which not only made logistics hard for them but gave them a great excuse to move the Fedor fight until later.
Vadim said in this interview that the May fight is still against Werdum.
i don’t care what anyone “promised” about Overeem fighting in the US. in December it was early 2010, in January it was first quarter 2010, and in February it’s been changed to May. He’s been going to fight for strikefore “in three months” for at least 3 months.
Overeem was never a possibility for April in reality, and CBS/Showtime/coker/vadim have all said fedor’s next fight is Werdum. The question now is why is Fedor not on the April card? It’s a chicken or the egg thing, is fedor off the card because the card isn’t on cbs? or is the card not on CBS because Fedor is not on it?
I wrote that Fedor would still be fighting Werdum and Overeem would be taking on someone else.
As for when Overeem will fight: in late 2009 they were saying February and by December they were talking 1st quarter i.e. April. Obviously they were planning the CBS card to follow the Final Four already at that point and Coker’s was planning (who knows if he was being realistic) for him to be on it. Overeem and his team were shooting that down from the beginning and had said in December and January that they would be available in May or June (although I will be the first to admit that this sounded like bullshit, that they were merely planning on kicking the can further down the road before being forced to commit. So what do we know and got:
- Shields and Henderson are fighting on a card that may or may not be on CBS.
- Gegard Mousasi is supposedly fighting King Mo. If it happens in April (also possibly setting up a Mousasi/Hendo fight) then I’m betting that card is on CBS.
- Fedor is fighting Werdum on a card on CBS in May
- Overeem vs ?, Shiny Aoki vs Gil Melendez, Thomson vs Kawajiri, Mach Sakurai vs Nick Diaz are all possible fights. Or maybe not?
- Frank Shamrock, Bobby Lashley, Brett Rogers, Tim Kennedy, Joe Villasenor, Vitor Ribeiro, Cung Le, and Herschel Walker have all been talked about fighting in Apri or May.
Fuck,. That’s still a lot of questions.
Cindy O’s reply to TSGIGOR
I think you have encountered another translation problem because YOUR post about MY post makes no sense.
I thought you didn’t want it to get out about Kogan, which is why I said nothing. That’s not a big deal anyway because it has nothing to do with the contractual issues between M-1 and Strikeforce. And I shared with you what was going on so yes, you are aware of it. You aren’t my point of contact with M-1 so I’m not following what you are surprised about regrding my post. You’ll have to be more specific.
I think it is a translation problem because you have totally misunderstood.
Cindy
And back to TSGIGOR
Dear Cindy, to my regret or other way around I understood what you’re talking about. My English is far from perfect.
Once again: Fedor will fight in the USA relatively soon.
Yesterday I talked to M-1 brass, the trainers and Fedor. They all are doing well. What disturbs you?
Backstage politics don’t interest me that much. In my mind it only hampers business.
I love you Cindy ! Do not forget it ! <3
And everyone is friends again.
May Card:
Fedor vs Werdum
TBA vs TBA
TBA vs TBA
TBA vs TBA
TBA vs TBA
TBA vs TBA
TBA vs TBA
TBA vs TBA
TBA vs TBA
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
by Ubernoober on Feb 25, 2010 9:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
TBA beat TBA in dominant fashion. Now stepping up in competition, TBA is going to have a lot to prove against TBA. Some say TBA is a gatekeeper, but he can beat anyone on a given night. Just ask TBA.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Feb 25, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
They’re just trying to stretch out Fedor’s contract as long as possible because he’s either going to retire or go the UFC after wards.
Fedor needed to fight soon after that Rogers BS. Looking that poorly (for Fedor) against a guy in his first real professional fight should have been embarrassment for the supposedly best HW in the world.
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