Shane Carwin Clarifies Remarks About Frank Mir
by Kid Nate on Feb 25, 2010 12:37 PM EST
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From the horse's mouth (ie Shane's blog):
It is amazing that the MMA media has to twist what people say instead of just requesting your own interview or writing what was actually said. This is the reason I prefer to give my interviews in writing. I get you have a job to do but don't ask me for interviews and then twist what I said to get visitors to your website. Any MMA media that cut and pasted, read the article, just because one site has a sensation yet wrong title doesn't mean you have to follow. Very misleading journalism.
I have never said Frank Mir was mentally unfit or a terrible human being. What I did say is that if ANY fighter really wishes to kill someone in the Octagon they IN FACT ARE a terrible person. I also stated that I had not heard any of Mir's comments so I was not directing the comment to him. I had been buried in getting my wife through labor and the baby here safely (29 hours of labor).
There are a lot of fighters that say were fighting to the death or I want to kill that guy when we fight. Fighting is an emotional sport and we all say some stupid stuff, fighters just have a tendency to say it when the mic is on, when our emotions are at our highest. Do I think Frank is unfit or a bad guy? I do not, every experience I have had with him has been good and I really do not have much negative to say about him. I expect he will be in amazing shape and seems to be as hungry as we all are to get a crack at Brock's title.
Shane is understandably bridling at the tendency of MMA writers to create a story or a conflict out of nothing and I of course support his desire to be quoted accurately and treated with respect.
He's a great fighter and deserves no less.
At the same time, this is a carnival barker's business and if no one is outside selling the show, no one is inside watching it either.
For our part, we did repost the quote in question, and regret any distortions that might have been created by attempting to edit the post for clarity and frankly I'm flattered that we seem to be the site that Shane reads.
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Honestly, I read what he said a few days ago and didn’t think anything of it. I saw you guys post it today and it did come off as a bit like you were trying to sell the hype. Carwin is a well educated and well spoken fighter, Mir just comes off as an idiot, I hate listening to him on WEC b/c he is horrible.
"Call that Amber Lamps"
I am truly amazed by this whole story,,,
I read just about everything on this site and when I read Kid Nate`s article (and headline) I found it a really witty way to emphasize that you can say just about anything by warping quotes.
I was gonna credit Kid Nate for his ingenuity but I forgot. And now this? Was Nate actually serious when he posted the Carwin quote??
Really Nate, you should be somewhat ashamed of yourself if that was the case. Shame on you! (mostly cause you destroyed a good piece of satire) Shame on you!
"Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no exceptions to this rule"- Stephen King
by BlueberryMuffin on Feb 25, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't post the Carwin quote
but I was cool with Anton doing it, but in retrospect i should have been more strict. We are very wary of MMA Bay for a reason. But Cofield and Mania had posted so I was ok with it.
Luke has corrected the staff and set a firm policy about getting confirmation for any MMA Bay sourced story in future.
Anton’s edit to the headline should have been noted, it’s a material difference and a serious one, but not a hard mistake to make and not something he did on purpose.
BE is a news aggregator, we aim to be your up to the minute get all of your news here site. Sometimes speed kills.
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Does Luke's policy have a Wolfslair clause?
Because MMA Bay is great for two things: dishonesty and access to Wolfslair.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
yeah that's the conflict
sometimes they break actual stories.
and in this case they did do an actual interview with Carwin.
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..that Anton intentionally mis-quoted?
"Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no exceptions to this rule"- Stephen King
by BlueberryMuffin on Feb 25, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Anton didn't intentionally
misquote anything.
that’s a bullshit accusation and I won’t have it.
Anton made a mistake, I approved it. It’s my fault. I owned up, we fixed it.
Misstate what we did again and I’ll ban your ass.
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Yo, Nate...
Dont worry man, Shane Carwin is a Smug, Holyer than though, multi college degree, arrogant, beast of a wrestler…
He is always angry and bitter…I get that from every interview…
He speaks in a condesending fashion about everyone…
If he cant handle the heat, Carwin should stay out the kitchen!!!
Shane always has a smart a$$ comment to say about someone, but his panties get all bunched up when they give it back to him…
Shane is just BITTER because Mir, the Attention Who%e, is looking past him and not even mentioning him.
NOT EVEN CLOSE...
you have no clue dude… NONE AT ALL…
"If I told you I was good, you would think I am boasting. If I told you I was not good, you would know I am lying" Bruce Lee
Ok. Sorry Nate.
Shame on Anton then… It should have been obvious that it was, at best, a mis-quote. It wasn`t very a very Carwinesque one.
"Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no exceptions to this rule"- Stephen King
by BlueberryMuffin on Feb 25, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
no
it’s my fault as the editor who saw it I should have spotted and fixed the problems. but it was late and the baby was crying. my bad.
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No MAn, don t be sorry!!!
Shane is crying because Mir is giving him as much respect as he did Kongo…
Thas why he is firing back at the websites…
When a reader sees a quote like that taken out of context…They always find the entire article in which the quote was taken from…
Shane is bitching at the media becaue Mir is giving him No LOVE, NO HATE either!!!
Thanks for owning up to it
I really like BE, and I generally like the rational, reasoned and methodical approach to the postings here. I was really impressed on how this was one of the few blogs that had the patience to not post how Kimo died of a heart attack when the rumours were going around.
I liked that – I’d much rather hear my news a few days late, than have it fast and wrong.
PS. I notice you updated the post you linked to read “[Mir]” instead of “Mir” in the headline quote. Maybe it’s time to update the post with a correction to that?
IMO, Shane and GSP are the only real faces in a promotion of heels. I can’t imagine the restraint it takes not to give the MMA media fodder for trash-talking headlines and articles. Even the truly good guys have their comments twisted.
Shogun? Demian Maia?
Rich Franklin?
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Yeah, I knew I’d forget some.
I can’t speak to Shogun. I feel like he’s respectful, but doesn’t go out of his way to be so.
Maia’s a standout guy I forgot—even says outright he tries not to hurt his opponents. And sadly I don’t even think about Rich much anymore.
Shogun's nice as hell in person.
Completely amiable. It’s actually strange to watch him stomp face in PRIDE after spending any time with him.
A few other names to throw out there: Brandon Vera, Miguel Torres, Wilson Reis, and Dominic Cruz.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
There’s a difference between guys who are neutral or nice and guys who are faces. The promotion and the media have to go along with the story. There are tons of guys who aren’t douchebags, but only a few who go out of their way to show respect at every opportunity. I can name a ton of fighters I like who aren’t heels, but how many actually issue apologies and revisit previous interviews to make sure even fairly benign comments aren’t misinterpreated?
Nate who…Nate Diaz is the only Nate that I know who is a contender, or even close to it…He is automatically eliminated from the Not a SCumbag list by default because his brother NICK has the worst attitued out of any professional athlete…
Who has Nate Marquardt beat?? Kampmann who loses at 170?? Lost to Thales Leites who was cut from the UFC?? He KOed the Iron Chinned Golden Gloves winner in Damian Maia…thats it…
Nate Never did anything in the UFC to be considered average…
Nothing other than being a member of TEAM COCKY!
a bit off topic
i dont like nate and vitor because i find them to be hypocrites
they seem to be devotedly religious yet they both try to cheat their ways to success
mir is a little nutty at times but he has dedicated himself as a martial artist to get better every time out without the aides of steroids
to me thats more respectable
Own the Podium became Owned on the Podium. What a failure.
Cigano, it is your time to avenge your master's loss!
Making the world a better place, one dirtbag at a time.
I'm not a christian
but there is nothing in christianity that says you can’t make a mistake. in fact forgiveness of fallible sinners is what that faith is all about.
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I’m not casting judgment, I was just saying why CC11 likely considers them to have “cheated their ways to success.”
Yes, they tested positive, but it was years ago (Pride 32 & UFN 1) and the circumstances were questionable. They haven’t tested positive since, and that’s good enough for me.
Agreed
I think that like many other fighters they took supplements and such that because they are not subject to regulation are not up front about their ingredients and most likely unintentionally ingested iilegal substances.
Google Ron Paul!
Yeah I totally agree with ya Mir put on 25 lbs lean muscle in his 30s in under a year. Yeah…… that’s totally natural. I mean Berry bonds did it natural, mark maguire now add Frank Mir to the list of natural weight gainers.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 25, 2010 5:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The only thing in the quote that MMABay didn’t include was (they did add it):
I did not see the interview so I can’t comment on what he might have said.
But Shane went on to make declarative statements about wishing death on your opponent.
That seems counter-intuitive, no?
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I feel what he was saying was, that Frank is emotional about his fight with lesnar, and doesn’t really wanna kill Brock.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 25, 2010 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What’s funny is big country put a grappling clinic on Mir at grapplers quest and he never stocked Nelson or wish death upon him. He must not be into fat dudes.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 25, 2010 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Clinic?
No sir, I saw that video, too. Frank was doing well against Roy, and then he gassed. Anybody would get tired reversing Big Country a few times, LOL.
certified warlord
would. ..
Handily defeated be fair? Score was like 12 to 2.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 25, 2010 1:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fair
Yeah, Nelson got him on points, after Frank gassed. Frank was dominating up until then.
certified warlord
Not really a fair situation, Nelson didn’t then (after winning against Mir) then rub his belly in Mirs face while yelling and pointing at him. Then proceed to flip off everyone and generally have a mental breakdown in the cage.
I think Mir is most pissed off that Lesnar shows absolutely no sign of humility. I’m sure if Carwin can stop Mir and then go off on some similar diatribe (not that Carwin is anywhere near the same sort of crazy person that Lesnar is) that Mir would also hold a similar grudge.
This guy is a champ.
Shane and Randy are the only wrestlers who aren’t tool bags.
Side note: Nice reporting Nate.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 25, 2010 12:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
chelios tried out for the greek bobsled team
is he a bobsledder then?
Own the Podium became Owned on the Podium. What a failure.
Cigano, it is your time to avenge your master's loss!
Making the world a better place, one dirtbag at a time.
Happily waiting on reall mma news
so as to forget this clarification and re-clarification and re-clarifying a re-clarification nonsense.
Carnival barkers exaggerate the truth, not manufacture quotes.
All analogies are inexact by definition, but that one’s extra week. Yellow journalism is not the same as being a salesman.
we didn't manufacturer anything
and it turns out neither did mma bay – -they twisted a quote.
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Just stop with this drama
Carwin is trying to be the “good kid” who always asks the teacher for homework and complains about the others.
Mir’s comments, while not the most erudite, were aimed at Brock who is a tool himself. Let them say whatever they want and settle it in the octagon instead of worrying about some he said, she said BS.
"I'm flattered that we seem to be the site that Shane reads."
You sensationalized a quote to make a headline better, and your reaction is that you’re proud that the guy who gave the quote and then subsequently called BS reads the site?
I smell Pulitzer.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 25, 2010 1:03 PM EST reply actions
BE didn’t alter the quote, just reposted the sensationalized version.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
They had their own headline.
MMA Bay had a different sensationalized one.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 25, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong, the fanshot had the same title as MMABay. Anton didn’t add anything.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Fanshot headline: Shane Carwin: “[Mir] is Either a Terrible Human Being or Mentally Unfit to Fight”
MMA Bay headline: Carwin labels Mir "either a terrible human being or mentally unfit"
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 25, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
That is the same fucking thing.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Remind me not to hire you as a proofer.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 25, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think I will take a page out of Luke’s playbook
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_without_a_difference
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
I didn't say one was better than the other.
Far from it. Check the tape:
They had their own headline.
MMA Bay had a different sensationalized one.
They’re both crappy. But BE can’t pin it’s crappy headline on MMA Bay’s crappy headline. They both, individually and distinct from one another, came up with crappy, misleading headlines.
They both suck, independently and distinct from one another.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 25, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong "its."
How embarrassing.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 25, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Its the same thing, reposted. Minor differences are not a reworked different sensationalized title. I doubt Anton was trying to rework it to make it better. He simply was using there title. They are the same headline.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Looked like it.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 25, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody caught this?
Shane Carwin:
I expect [Mir] will be in amazing shape and seems to be as hungry as we all are to get a crack at Brock’s title.
Kenny Florian:
I want BJ’s belt!
Emphasis added for clarity. Why is Kenny still mocked for that quote and nobody catches Carwin doing the same thing?
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Kenny has a better chance of winning the women’s down hill skiing gold medal this year then beating Bj for the belt. When Shane says it its a credible. He very well could beat Brock.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 25, 2010 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can't always get what you want.
Cuz Kenny’s was played ad nauseum on the commercials and then he went in and got his ass kicked.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
He was mocked at the time.
Both of you focusing in retrospect makes no sense when compared to the reality of the situation.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Shane Carwin simply said he wanted a crack at the title at the backend of a throwaway sentence.
Kenny bellowed “I want BJ’s belt!” in a post-fight interview, as if he was entitled to it already.
Big difference.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
I'm not seeing it, and you grazed over the point.
Brock’s title. He said Brock’s title. Kenny got made fun of for awkwardly stating he wanted BJ’s belt, not the title or the belt or a title shot.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Maybe cuz Shane didn’t scream it in the voice of a 13 year old girl at a Backstreet Boys concert?
by ufc4 on Feb 25, 2010 6:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Blood elbow is both the problem and the solution. They are both the Yin and the Yang. The repost crap, then report Shane’s correction. Nice! I come for the crap but stay for the facts. Lol
by Raycetpfl on Feb 25, 2010 1:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
we try to clean up after ourselves
and get the news and buzz out there hot and fresh. not always the same.
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Not for nothing but Bloody Elbow does its fare share of posting miss leading quotes. Some things are posted out of context to sensationalize what was said other times things that are old are posted out of context and can be misleading. Old interviews for example with the head line Anderson silva is not impressed by bj penn or gsp. Thinking it was something new I find out that some of the footage dates back to ufc 94 over a year ago. Dont get me wrong i enjoy the site…but something is to be said for responsible reporting.
Don't get me started.
Then Luke goes on The Jordan Breen Show and bitches about the lack of journalistic integrity at Bleacher Report and Anton leads a witch hunt because some kid in his mother’s basement cited a fanpost in MLA format instead of AP, or some such nonsense.
You’d think BE was Woodward & Bernstein or something.
It’s a fucking news aggregation site. Try not to take it so seriously. Additionally, in the war to save journalism, you guys are part of the problem, not the solution. Nota Bene. The reasons you piss on Bleacher Report are the same reasons why Sherdog and MMA Weekly can piss on you.
I like news aggregation sites. They save me time and I’m busy. But to then turn around and try to call other people on lack of journalistic merit/ethics is kind of hypocritical. Minus the “kind of.”
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 25, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
DANGER, YOU HAVE STRAYED TOO FAR!
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
You stalking me champ?
My favorite flavors are calla lilies. Just putting that out there.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 25, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
When has anyone from sherdog ever pissed on bloodyelbow?
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
The reasons you piss on Bleacher Report are the same reasons why Sherdog and MMA Weekly can piss on you.
Change “can” to “could.”
Happy?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 25, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Integrity? Jesus, can you try a little harder, please?
I never once accused BR of lacking “integrity”, whatever that’s supposed to mean. Since you don’t know what you’re talking about, allow me to fill you in: I attacked BR for sucking (which they generally, but not always do), and more specifically, criticized the UFC for credentialing an outfit that admits to being a farm league for amateurs to get experience. The charge and entire point of my appearance on Breen’s show was to suggest if other orgs want to credential a farm league, well so be it, but the UFC shouldn’t be. Amateurs need a place to get better on the job, but it’s wrong and misguided for the UFC to be credentialing them when they’re in the process. It also neuters the press and lowers the quality of work. Whatever you’re talking about is just fabricated nonsense.
We aren’t free from error. We fucked up here and that’s the fact. I’ve corrected the problem internally and now we move on. Due diligence is part of the culture here, but that doesn’t absolve us from blame or prevent us from mistake. I’ll admit that in the open.
If you come here for whatever purposes you come here for, then so be it, but I’m going to continue to take this job seriously. I take MMA seriously and I take my responsibilities here seriously. I take writing posts seriously and I take doing as good of a job as I can seriously. I’m a serious motherfucker. That’s never going to change and part of the reason why BE is a success.
Follow me on Twitter: @MMANation.
I find it ironic (in the literal sense, not the Mike Goldberg sense) that more than once I have seen BE employees (not the word because they’re unpaid, but I’m at a loss) find fault with others’ journalistic practices.
I would be akin to the Huffington Post going out and saying Gawker sucks, or something.
You’re either part of the new wave or part of the old school, but you can’t have your cake and eat it, too. If news aggregation is the wave of the future, sites like Bleacher Report will continue to be credentialed at events like the UFC because that’s where consumer demand has led us. Consumers are unwilling to pay for quality journalism, and hence get their sub-standard content from amateurs for free.
The comments about BR being credentialed were, as Jordan pointed out, sour grapes. “How come they get in and we don’t?” The truth is, if the best distinction you can come up with between BE and BR is that fanposts here don’t show up on SEs and they do on BR, then that’s really no difference at all. In fact, it just means their SEO is better, and it paid off with better access in this instance.
By all means take it seriously, as we all should in all our endeavors. However, I will continue to think it’s hypocritical when you refer to Bleacher Report as “amateur” and unworthy of credentialing, when we both know full well BE would accept credentials if offered and, in my mind, is no more worthy or warranting of them.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 25, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Here is another example
Quote of the Day: Even Frankie Edgar Doesn’t Much Like His Chances Against B.J. Penn at UFC 112
Not really the case is it but thats the head line.
Because it’s funny
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Because media sources, like polititians and religious leaders, are all car salesmen trying to sell a product any way they can. exagerate or even lie in some cases…..whatever they can too attract attention.
When I first saw the Quote saying Carwin directed his words at Mir, the first thing I thought was, why wouldn’t he sue these people for defamation of character?
If media, polititions, and all “car salesmen” aren’t held accountable for the OBVIOUS misleadings they create, it will never end.
What a load of bullshit.
Carwin is angry because he is being “misquoted” when he said "ANY fighter really wishes to kill someone in the Octagon they IN FACT ARE a terrible person. " at a time when Frank Mir is being scrutinized fow wishing death on Lesnar ? I completely dont get it. Why comment such a thing when he knows it is going to be interpreted that way. He wants to be part of of the hype talk but take it back because he doesnt want to call Mir a terrible person? Why is it too harsh and his image would be ruin? Cmon son.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
He never said what was quoted, that is why he’s upset. Sure we can discuss the context of a quote, but you shouldnt alter it.
by sadface on Feb 25, 2010 5:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, but if I say all people named Frank are assholes, and somebody writes an article titled “ufc4 says Frank Mir is an asshole” I don’t really have the right to get mad even if I didn’t specifically name Mir do I?
by ufc4 on Feb 25, 2010 6:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I kind of agree, if he hadn’t heard Mir’s comments yet he probably shouldn’t have said anything at all.
by ufc4 on Feb 25, 2010 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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