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A Look at Zuffa's Legal Victory Over Ken Shamrock

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Bloody Elbow obtained a copy of the decision in Ken Shamrock Inc. vs. Zuffa, and it is a very important decision for all fighters and their attorneys to read.  It is the first time (to my knowledge) a Nevada court has issued a ruling on a dispute arising out of the language in the UFC promotional agreement, and the court gave the UFC everything it wanted and more.  

The Facts:

 On July 8, 2006 Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz had a rematch that ended early in the first round (notably, the decision confirms the event did 775,000 buys, a fairly decisive blow to boxing fans that claim UFC numbers are made up).  A number of fans were upset with the stoppage, and Dana White started speaking publicly about doing a third fight.  Shortly after those statements, Shamrock's agent (Donohoo) contacted the UFC about negotiating a new deal.  Dana White met with Ken Shamrock in Los Angeles, and negotiated a deal that would include a third fight on free TV.  Both a one-fight and a two-fight deal were negotiated.  Eventually the parties settled on a two-fight deal, with the following recital in the contract:

G.  Fighter has determined the first Bout will be his final, after which he will retire, but has agreed to one additional Bout with Zuffa in the event Fighter should elect not to retire, or to come out of retirement to fight again.

The contract also had the following term that is standard in all Zuffa promotional agreements:

10.3:  If at any time during the Term, Fighter decides to retire from mixed martial arts or other professional fighting competition, then Zuffa may, at its election, (i) suspend the Term for the period of such retirement; (ii) declare that Zuffa has satisfied its obligation to promote all future bouts to be promoted by Zuffa herunder, without any compensation due to Fighter therefore, or (iii) elect to provide fighter with a note of acceleration.

At the meeting in Los Angeles, Dana White gave Ken Shamrock a check for $1,000,000, presumably for the third fight.  According to the decision, the agreement would pay Shamrock a lower amount plus a percent of the PPV if Shamrock had another UFC fight after the third Ortiz fight.

As we all know, Ortiz beat Shamrock again, and Shamrock announced his retirement in the Octagon.  Given that announcement, Zuffa elected to suspend his contract under the clause above without notifying Shamrock of its election.  Nine months later, in June 2007, Shamrock's agent (Mr. Donohoo) contacted the UFC about Ken Shamrock's desire to compete again.  The UFC responded that they considered Shamrock retired, but if Shamrock sent written notification of his desire to fight again, Zuffa would be willing to terminate the agreement.  Donohoo claimed that because he was never informed the contract was suspended, it never was.  

Dana White contacted Donohoo 2 weeks later and told him the UFC was terminating Shamrock's contract.  Donohoo expressed his disagreement but acknowledged there wasn't much he could do about it, and sent a letter confirming the termination.  He sent that letter, which ended up being a big mistake.  Four months later, Donohoo contacted the UFC again with a letter noting that Zuffa breached the agreement.  He demanded liquidated damages.  Zuffa denied him these damages, and Shamrock filed a claim for breach of contract.

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The Law:

The court gave the UFC virtually everything it wanted.  On the issue of whether Zuffa breached the contract by refusing to promote a second Ken Shamrock fight under the deal, the court ruled that there was no breach because the language quoted above says that Ken Shamrock agreed to one additional Bout with Zuffa, but makes no mention of Zuffa agreeing to promote an additional Shamrock bout.  In other words, no language in the contract suggested the promise was mutual, or that Zuffa was required to provide and promote a second fight for Shamrock.  The court interpreted the clause as an option for Zuffa.

The next issue is whether the remedies listed above in section 10.3 of the Zuffa promotional contract are limited.  The language uses the term "or," and Shamrock argued that the "or" language means that Zuffa has just one of three listed choices when a fighter retires: suspend the contract, terminate the fighter, or accelerate the contract.  Zuffa responded that it could exercise any of the options at any time during or after the retirement.  

The court sided with Zuffa, and noted precedents suggesting the conjunctions "or" and "and" may be used interchangeably when necessary to properly effect the parties' intentions.  Ultimately, the court ruled that Zuffa has the right to use all 3 of the listed remedies incase a fighter retires rather than just picking one.

The court also noted that Zuffa does not have to suspend a contract during the retirement, because the language gives Zuffa the right to suspend at any point in the term for the period of such retirement.  In other words, if a fighter retires for 6 months and then comes back, Zuffa has the right at any point going forward to elect to suspend the contract for those 6 months, even if it did not make that election during the period of retirement.

Finally, the court noted that even if there was a breach, Shamrock waived his claim by not failing to provide notice of a breach and an opportunity to cure to Zuffa under the promotional agreement.  By accepting the termination from Dana White, Shamrock's agent waived the right to bring a claim at all.

There are two interesting points to consider:

First, Ken Shamrock and the UFC still have merchandising agreements together.  They are still doing business, which complicates the issue of attorney's fees.  The only way to get attorney's fees is to get a judgment for those fees, and I expect Zuffa to get that judgment, but it's not as if Shamrock has the money to pay those fees, which are probably in the $300,000-$500,000 range.  It's possible they will get the judgment and then hold it over Shamrock's head in the course of further business with him.  Such a judgment lasts a long time and is renewable; Zuffa can hold this over his head for years, and perhaps even draw down money from his merchandising agreements to pay it off.

Second, Donohoo contacted the UFC about Ken Shamrock's desire to return to the UFC on June 11, 2007.  On June 18, 2007, Loretta Hunt reported at the Fight Network that Ken Shamrock would fight Michael Bisping at UFC 75.  The reported bout never came together.  Dana White called Donohoo one week later on June 25 to confirm Shamrock's contract had been terminated.

The decision states that Shamrock's deal would pay him a low base for a hypothetical second fight along with a percentage of PPV receipts.  The reported fight with Bisping would have taken place at UFC 75, which was on Spike TV, which means that Shamrock would have been paid a much lower amount for that fight than he was probably looking for.

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Great job, Rome

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by Anthony Pace on Feb 25, 2010 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

100% agreed.

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by pud333 on Feb 26, 2010 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I second this motion

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by Damon O. on Feb 26, 2010 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

You're thirding it!

And I’m fourthing it.

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by Blackout612 on Feb 26, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The decision also probably ties into the Rampage lawsuit.

It makes sense to strike while the iron is hot, in the same place, instead of waiting for the time Rampage claims the contract ends and dealing with it then.

by Phildo on Feb 25, 2010 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

I can't bring myself to feel bad for him

he got paid a million for the third Ortiz fight and then he retired. He also chose a subpar lawyer.

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by Excelsior! on Feb 25, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Still

I just hate seeing a founding figure and legend in this sport in financial troubles. Ken may not have always been the greatest guy ever, or the most business savvy of individuals it seemed, but his blood really helped this sport start.

by Patrick John McGreevy on Feb 26, 2010 5:03 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You could give a guy like Ken $10 million...

and in a few years he would be talking about his financial woes.

He just doesn’t learn. At best, he can serve as a cautionary tale to current MMA fighters.

by Razreshat on Feb 26, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Between his UFC and WWE careers how many millions did this guy make? And he’s broke? Sorry, that’s just stupidity, no way in hell I’m gonna feel bad for a guy who can blow that much money in such a short period of time.

by ufc4 on Feb 26, 2010 8:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

with you Patrick but I also understand where Rasreshat is coming from. I personally hate to see anyone gain a lot of money and then lose it. I feel like there is more then just careless spending involved to lose all that money. I’m sure he did a lot of good with that money also. Blessing family, friends and charities. So to see someone get sued by a billion dollar company doesn’t settle well with me. Ken isn’t the smartest guy in the world but I hate to see the rug pulled out from underneath someone no matter how much they may have deserved it. It’s one thing if Ken has 3 Ferraris and 3 mansions and was just absolutely retarded with his money. I’m not sure if he has all of that. Ken is a pioneer in the sport and most of these pioneers weren’t getting the big pay checks that some of these fighters are getting now. I mean he did get a million dollars for one fight so he really doesn’t have an excuse but man…… i don’t know….. I really see both sides of it…. now, that i think about it more I guess there is really no excuse to be in financial trouble if you got a million dollar check at one time. I’m sure he made good money in the WWF also. I’m scratching my head…. I always feel sorry for those that get paid and then blow it but then again, it’s what they deserve.

Shut up, Tito.

by TruthSeeker1223 on Feb 26, 2010 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

"So to see someone get sued by a billion dollar company doesn’t settle well with me. "

Ken chose to sue the billion dollar company, not the other way around. He grabbed the tiger’s tail of his own accord.

by Razreshat on Feb 26, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

…the conjunctions “or” and “and” may be used interchangeably…

What the hell does this mean? Are the courts just redefining words at will?

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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 25, 2010 11:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Legal language functions entirely differently than conversational language and many legal arguments are arguments of semantics.

So in a word, yes, courts redefine words, not so much at will, but at the mercy of arguments made for one definition over another.

by Worldisart on Feb 26, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

They don't need to redefine the words.

Or is inclusive. The exclusive or occurs very rarely within natural English usage. “A or B” only requires that at least one of A and B be true – the disjunction does not require that either precludes the other.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Feb 26, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

We could go to Olive Garden or Red Lobster or Pizza Hut.

We could go to Olive Garden and Red Lobster and Pizza Hut.

These are pretty close to being the same statement. While interpreting contracts, the court isn’t going to make a fine distinction between the two. Is what the court was getting at (I think).

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by toxic on Feb 26, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

How are they the same statement?

In the first statement, we’re going to ONE destination.

In the second statement, we’re going to THREE destinations.

Seems pretty different to me. And lawyers wonder why Americans hate them so much…

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by duck on Feb 26, 2010 6:55 AM EST up reply actions  

In the first statement, we’re going to ONE destination.

Not exactly.

In the first statement, we’re going to AT LEAST one destination. We could still go to all three and satisfy both statements. That is the crux of the legal argument.

by Steve4192 on Feb 26, 2010 7:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, it says “could”, we don’t necessarily have to go to any of them.

by ufc4 on Feb 26, 2010 8:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If someone said we could go to Olive Garden, Red Lobster, and Pizza Hut, you would not think they meant you had to go to all three or none. You’d think they meant it was a list of possible options since its unlikely anyone would want to eat at three restaurants back to back.

In this case, where you are listing three mutually exclusive options—- you’re either suspended, terminated, or accelerated, and/or are pretty much the same thing. There are certainly other uses in law were and and or mean very different things. English can get really complicated.

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by toxic on Feb 26, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not english, it’s logic.

by Phildo on Feb 26, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Think of it as a logic gate. For an OR gate, Z (positive output) = A or B or (A and B).

Meat Feast

by TamF on Feb 26, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

because when I'm discussing dinner options

I totally think like that. Right.

“Or” means you’re doing one at the expense of not doing the other. What is this, a deposition of a sitting president? Are we going to argue over what “is” means next?

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by duck on Mar 2, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Only a lawyer would think that way

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by duck on Mar 2, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Gross

No way am I going to Red Lobster. Unless we only get cheddar biscuits. I imagine that’s what Ken is primarily eating these days.

He can smell that opening, Joe!

by Muscles Coleman on Feb 26, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

You forgot shit-talking.

Keep firing Assholes!

Blackout is always right

by Ubernoober on Feb 25, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats why fighters need association

Too bad ufc is too dominant to let that happen

by IronMonkey13 on Feb 26, 2010 6:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Has the UFC ever done anything to prevent a fighter’s association?

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Feb 26, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Dana has actually gone on record saying he would be in favor of a fighters union, but that he doesn’t have much faith they’ll ever make it happen.

Forming a union is hard work and requires a lot of short-term sacrifices from the fighters to make it happen. It’s going to take a groundswell of support from the guys at the top of the sport to make it happen, and I don’t see anyone stepping forward to make it a reality. They are all too busy living in the now to think about the future.

by Steve4192 on Feb 26, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought he went on record saying

That these fighters really don’t even need agents. That agents won’t do anything for them and that they should just deal directly with Dana.

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by aaronb on Feb 26, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure why people think that a fighter’s union would be such a wonderful cure all for these issues. Heck just think what the UFC could do if they had all the fighters attached to the same collective bargaining agreement? Collective bargaining goes both ways and there would be advantages and leverage for Zuffa still.

by who me on Feb 27, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Honestly great article…but really how do normal people interpret contracts. They sign on the line that says “x” signature required. I seldomly read contracts and thats probably what Ken Shamrock did. That shit is written by lawyers to benefit the company…that’s why it’s so hard to understand.

by Hellrazer on Feb 25, 2010 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

The common response is going to be you should make sure you have a lawyer reading your contract then. But if the opposing side can afford better lawyers where does that leave you?

by John Nash on Feb 25, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Fighting a silverback in Mexico it would appear.

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.

by lowellthehammer on Feb 25, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a lousy response.

Learn to read the contract yourself. If you don’t understand something, ask for written clarification.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Feb 26, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

So Ken has only himself to blame for not realizing that the wording he had specifically inserted in to section G to protect himself would be negated by the murky wording of subsection 10.3? That seems to be asking a lot of someone who is trying to be a fighter and who had a agent representing him.

by John Nash on Feb 26, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

That “murky” wording is apparently part of every zuffa contract ever. He and his lawyers (which he should have been able to afford with a million dollar payment should have been more careful about sticking things into the contract when there is an easy out.

by Phildo on Feb 26, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying that his lawyers shouldn’t have spotted it, or that Zuffa did anything underhanded. But as someone who ripped into Ken for what I thought was an unfounded lawsuit based on the obvious fact that he retired, I have to now backtrack and say I can understand why he thought he got screwed. He asked for a specific clause that would allow him to come back from retirement if he so choosed, but because of legal “mumbo jumbo” and his own agent’s mistakes he’s out of luck. I can’t help but sympathize with someone who basically did everything right on his end only to loose out to the small print.

by John Nash on Feb 26, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

They all can come out of retirement the same way, he didn’t have anything special in there. It’s not some slip up on their part or that they failed to pick up on some kind of small print. Ken’s manager accepted and agreed to Ken getting cut before anyone decided that they should sue for Ken getting cut, even a half assed drunk lawyer could tell you that was a dumb idea. Of course lawyers get paid even if their clients are stupid most of the time so they tend to push things that even they know they can’t win just to get the work.

by who me on Feb 27, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

If you’re signing a complicated legal document without some kind of legal advice/representation then you kind of deserve what you get.

by Worldisart on Feb 26, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

First of all, you really do need to read contracts you sign. Skipping to the X is a fantastic way to get fucked by unscrupulous people. Second, this isn’t a quality of the lawyers issue; any law student could have interpreted the language correctly. This is a client issue; the agent misinterpreted the contract by inserting an imaginary notice clause instead of just calling and asking them what they were doing, and was probably telling Ken about how he got fucked by the UFC to paper that fact over.

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by toxic on Feb 26, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

(notably, the decision confirms the event did 775,000 buys, a fairly decisive blow to boxing fans that claim UFC numbers are made up).

Don’t tell that to Bob Arum since that would probably give him a heart attack.

by Raker on Feb 25, 2010 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

A million? The fuck!?

by An0nymous on Feb 25, 2010 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think a fighter can make a proper decision on whether it’s time to call it a career right after a MMA competition. A retirement should be held at a press conference, not come from banter with Joe Rogan after a fight (especially a losing effort).

by mattio on Feb 25, 2010 11:56 PM EST reply actions  

Rec’d the article, btw. Great job.

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by IHateMMA on Feb 25, 2010 11:56 PM EST reply actions  

Eriksen.

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by Richard Wade on Feb 26, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

respect up

For quoting my favorite show in the world

by kanginator10 on Feb 26, 2010 11:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So in other words

by acknowledging the initial contract termination, Ken Shamrock screwed himself over and probably sent himself broke in the process.

by Burlap_Sack on Feb 26, 2010 12:05 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

No. The termination was correct, but by acknowledging it they would have screwed themselves IF they’d actually had a case for wrongful termination. Which they didn’t.

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by toxic on Feb 26, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

This is the pic that appears for the article in the Facebook feed, not the Shamrock one up top.

Self-Referential Facepalm?

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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 26, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I saw that

LOLZ.

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by Blackout612 on Feb 26, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sucks to see anybody go broke, but this seemed pretty stupid on Ken’s part. I’m amazed they gave him $1 Million for that fight. Pretty good friggin deal right here.

by TLow on Feb 26, 2010 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

I have very little sympathy for Ken Shamrock or any other athlete that has made 7 figures to ply their trade and then gone broke. These guys need to hire financial advisors to manage their money. If you can blow through a million dollars in two years, you need help and obviously cannot be responsible for your own financial well being.

by Worldisart on Feb 26, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

This is true. It’s about the lifestyle you keep. When you start making more money, it’s easy to spend more. I remember the first time I got a job making more than minimum wage. I went from $8 to $10 to what I felt was an amazing $15 an hour, and I went apeshit with the spending. I had never had that much disposable income. This lasted for six months, and then I got smart and started to save.

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by pud333 on Feb 26, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

"then I got smart and started to save."

A step guys like Shamrock often miss entirely.

by Razreshat on Feb 26, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Between wrestling and fighting Ken has made well into the 8 figures over the last 10-15 years, if you can’t make that much money last this long it’s your own fault.

by ufc4 on Feb 26, 2010 8:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

tricky

I get that you need to cast the iron while it’s hot. But the clause stating that the UFC doesn’t have to notify the fighter pretty much means that they can retro actively suspending a contract when it suits them.

What seems to be a clause designed to prevent fighters from renegotiating, is actually allowing the UFC to do exactly that.

Damn good lawyer!

by nostraboris on Feb 26, 2010 12:24 AM EST reply actions  

That is a pretty crappy clause

“Renegotiate? We suspended your contract 3 months ago! Hell no, we didn’t tell you. We didn’t have to.”

Contracts like that give capitalism a bad name.

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by duck on Feb 26, 2010 6:58 AM EST up reply actions  

They can’t just suspend a contract without reason. In this case the reason they suspended it was because he was retired. Which just happens to be clearly stated in the contract as a reason to suspend his contract.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Feb 26, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Truly Amazed

WOW. I’ll have to see a copy of the decision (which is not yet on Wiznet), but WOW.

You make a promise to Zuffa, but don’t get one in return. That’s a contract?

by Rob Maysey on Feb 26, 2010 3:09 AM EST reply actions  

Ask the NFL, they have similar contracts and are the biggest sport right now.

by Raker on Feb 26, 2010 3:26 AM EST reply actions  

LOL

They aren’t similar in any fashion at all.

by Rob Maysey on Feb 26, 2010 3:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Team option

Team A pays Player X $1 million for this season and has a team option for next year at $1 million. If Player X plays well, team picks up the option. If he doesn’t, he’s on the market and unemployed.

But of course, in the NFL, the team can’t suspend the player’s contract without his knowledge, so the situations are different.

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by duck on Feb 26, 2010 7:03 AM EST up reply actions  

but it’s not like zuffa can just suspend the contract whenever they want to, they need you to “retire” first.

If you don’t show up long enough into the nfl season, the year doesn’t count on your contract. it’s in the contract, not sure why anyone would have to tell youl

by Phildo on Feb 26, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

ONE MILLION DOLLARS?!?!?!

WTF?!?! I thought the car each got after the fight was way too much for Shammy..

I would eat a few punches from Ortiz for one mill for sure (or would I?).. And everyone knew that was gonna happen for Shammy..

by lavis on Feb 26, 2010 5:29 AM EST reply actions  

It was (at the time) the highest rated fight in UFC history, and perhaps remains the most important ever because it got big media outlets to finally realize the UFC was for real. Meant nothing to hardcores, but was incredibly important for the sport long run.

by Michael Rome on Feb 26, 2010 5:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

it’s on the short list with fights like Bonnar / Griffin

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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 26, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure going into a fight with you Lavis, Tito would have a fractured skull, two broken ankels, and hang nail and a kidney stone so you might have a chance. :)

Shut up, Tito.

by TruthSeeker1223 on Feb 26, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

but it’s not as if Shamrock has the money to pay those fees

Do we know this to be true?

I know most people assume Ken to be broke, but do we have any confirmation of this? Even a little?

by Steve4192 on Feb 26, 2010 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

Actually we have a counter evidence—- Shamrocks lawyer wasn’t working for free.

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by toxic on Feb 26, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

He was almost certainly working on contingency, I doubt Ken paid a dime beyond costs.

There isn’t public record of Ken’s finances, but pretty much everyone in the entire industry knows it.

by Michael Rome on Feb 26, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

A case like this on contingency with no costs? Did he find this guy right out of law school?

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Feb 26, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Ken’s lawyer Lionel Hutz?

Works on contingency
No money down

He’s going to be in for a surprise when he finds out it’s

Works on contingency?
No, money down!

by rabrown on Feb 26, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like the fighters on a whole need to start turning down these one sided contracts. I have a great deal of respect for Shamrock but he signed a bad contract. I doubt he is the only fighter that has signed this type of contract.

by KING FEDOR on Feb 26, 2010 7:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

actually, the contract he signed is okay, he just hired a lawyer who didn’t put all the elements together and made a pretty big mistake and his client is now paying for it.. that’s what I got from it anyway.

by pr0cs on Feb 26, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

By one sided I’m talking about the ease in which Zuffa can terminate the contract when we have seen in the past it is nearly impossible for the fighter to terminate it. I think they get wrapped up in the money and don’t take the whole contract into consideration

by KING FEDOR on Feb 26, 2010 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thats not even taking into account

The non-competes once the contracts are over
.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Feb 26, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

and non-compete clauses are unheard of in any other industry…

by Phildo on Feb 26, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Or signing awake the rights to your likeness

by KING FEDOR on Feb 26, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the UFC got their moneys worth.

by KING FEDOR on Feb 26, 2010 12:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That fight ended just over half way through the first round.

The fight was stopped at 2:23 of the first round due to TKO….and Shamrock got a cool million…and we are supposed to feel like Shamrock was the one that got taken on that deal?

by Razreshat on Feb 26, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The results of the fight are not my point. The eyes that ended up on the fight because of Shamrock is where they got their moneys worth

by KING FEDOR on Feb 26, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

How long did that fight last?

Yeah, Shamrock was the one that got taken in that deal…sure.

by Razreshat on Feb 26, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

The thing that’s most surprising is that Dana paid him up front. I’d be interested to see what kind of recapture right Zuffa had in the event Shamrock sustained a career-ending injury, was hit by a bus or had a positive drug test prior to the fight.

by Velcro on Feb 26, 2010 10:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'm a little late to the party...

but this is interesting stuff. Great post, Mike.

by Cannon Jacques on Feb 26, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

I would like to know what kind of merchandising agreements the two parties have

by brooksto on Feb 26, 2010 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

Who else would love to have seen

Shamrock VS. Bisping????Lmao

"The left hand brings death, but the right one even I am afraid of."-Mariusz Pudzianowski

by Dr.Glaze on Feb 26, 2010 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

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