Strikeforce Signs Jake Shields vs Dan Henderson for Middleweight Belt, No Word on Fedor Emelianenko or CBS
by Kid Nate on Feb 24, 2010 10:48 AM EST
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Dan Henderson and Jake Shields have agreed to meet in Strikeforce with the middleweight title on the line in April. Shields confirmed the bout when speaking to MMAWeekly Radio on Tuesday night.
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Now, both Shields and Henderson have a deal in place to put the two middleweights in the cage together in April, although according to the current Strikeforce champion, while a date and venue have been given to the fighters, the actual broadcast has yet to be determined.
"I have a date (and) venue, but they told me to hold that back," said Shields. "Hopefully CBS. I think it's CBS. There's a slight possibility of Showtime because they're still (working it out). I don't know the rest of the card or any of that yet. But me and Dan's on, and I'm hoping it's on CBS."
There is still no word about the long-rumored Fedor Emelianenko vs Fabricio Werdum bout that has been expected to headline the promotion's second CBS card.
This will do nothing to staunch the flow of rumors that Fedor will next be fighting in Japan against Alistair Overeem.
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A CBS show headlined by Shields-Hendo would be a ratings disaster.
by ufc4 on Feb 24, 2010 9:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yep, it would basically end the Strikeforce on CBS…I mean they’d eventually air Fedor but you’d see similar ratings to EliteXC: Unfinished Business.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 24, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Isnt that what you want anyway?
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 24, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Heh, I’m pretty sure you know the answer to that one . :)
by pr0cs on Feb 24, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So you agree? Tell me this, how many Strikeforce shows have you been to in the last year? I’m willing to bet I’ve given them more money than you have.
by ufc4 on Feb 24, 2010 10:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Congrats!
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 24, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Natural Welterweight vs. Guy who'd be borderline Top-10 at 205?
This ought to be competetive…
Yeah, you could say that.
Or you could be more honest and say it’s the consensus #7 MW (formerly #3 WW) vs. the #3 MW, both of whom are well credentialed grapplers, in a five round fight.
Nah, that’s being fair. Can’t do that for Strikeforce.
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by pdl on Feb 24, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How is that necessarily fair?
Those consensus rankings rely on the assumption that the people doing the ranking have any idea what they’re doing, and that there’s no pervasive errors in their judgment (for an example of such an error, see the widespread belief in baseball pre-1990 that RBIs measured a skill).
Shields is a small guy who hasn’t fought top competition. I have no idea why anyone thinks he’s a top-10 MW.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Akiyama hasn't beaten any "top competition" either, and he's #9.
Neither has #6, Vitor Belfort. #2, Nate Marquardt, Chael Sonnen, and Demian Maia have earned all of their value from beating each other, so how do we know where they REALLY rank?
Look, when you bring up a guy’s ranking in your argument and it gets countered, you can’t jump on the “rankings don’t mean anything!” bandwagon. Things don’t work that way. And it’s fair to compare fighters at the weight class they are fighting at, not absurdities.
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by pdl on Feb 24, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shields has also beaten three pretty good MWs: Yushin Okami (currently #8 on BE), Robbie Lawler (currently #10 on BE) – albeit both of them at catchweight – and Jason Miller (was ranked in the top 25 when they fought). I know people don’t like Miller but we have to stop pretending he hasn’t accomplished anything.
by John Nash on Feb 24, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love Miller,
I wish Mayhem, Shields, Diaz would all jump to the UFC. I can think of a lot of fights I want to see those 3 in.
Sweet! I cant wait till Hendo smashes Shields!
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Better hope he does, because if this becomes another 5 round ground match, I have a feeling Strikeforce could be fucked, at least on CBS.
Im not concerned with ratings and all that. I just wanna watch fights. I actually enjoyed the Mayhem/shields fight.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 24, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ah
but if the fights don’t get good ratings there won’t be anymore fights
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There will always be fights. HDNet, Spike and Versus. =)
I actually used to hope for good ratings and all that but not now. This sport isnt going anywhere. =)
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 24, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
The sport is based on ratings though. HDNet can afford poor ratings because it’s a niche network. CBS cannot. If this does poor ratings they could just pull the plug on Strikeforce. Then you’ll be on here complaining about the UFC being a monopoly.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 24, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Well it was gonna get sucky ratings anyway because Fedor is irrelevent, has no personality, and no one in Noth America knows who he is, right?
Glad to see UFCguy up there actually aknowledging Fedor has drawing power.
And no I wouldnt complain about Ufc monopoly.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 24, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fedor is like Plutonium...
in the right hands you can make a powerful weapon, but in other hands you can get radiation poisoning and die.
by Razreshat on Feb 24, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Strikeforce has 3 ratings draws. Fedor, Gina, Cyborg (not sure how much of a draw). People like Shields/Hendo/Diaz can headline Showtime where ratings matter less. But they can’t go on CBS with anything less than Gina or Fedor.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 24, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
so should we then assume that shields signed a new contract? or could this be another one-off?
would be interesting if this did main event a cbs show, after the poor response to his fight against miller. plus, with no recognizable draw on the card, i can’t imagine the ratings would be too huge.
at least you're not posting the same thing as the poop guy
sorry it took us so long to find and ban that idiot.
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I was under the impression this was the last fight on Jakes deal. Losing to Hendo at middleweight is a great way to get out of a championship clause and still have lots of credibility at welterweight to bring with you to the UFC. Welterweight is his ideal weight class, and with his training partner and friend Nick Diaz being the Strikeforce WW champ, it doesn’t make any sense for Shields to stay in Strikeforce.
by IWillPartyHard on Feb 24, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Overeem laughs at Strikeforces champions clause
by bigc4277 on Feb 24, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Overeem didn't have one.
Coker reportedly learned his lesson from that fustercluck
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Strikeforce might be pulling a Ortiz/Machida, Arlovski/O’Brien, and Huerta/Maynard?
by Nick Thomas on Feb 24, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t remember anyone getting upset about the opponents those three faced. I think the problem everyone had with the treatment of Arlovski and Huerta is they put them on ice for a year. I’ll give Strikeforce credit, they are letting Shields fight out his contract.
Now if they could get fights for Ribeiro and the rest…
I remember Arlovski supposedly agreed to two fights in 2007, but that his opponents turned it down. That was earlier in the year, after which the UFC made no offers until the end of his contract. That’s everything I’ve ever read of his situation. If you know something to set me straight, I’d appreciate it.
His camp also turned down fights…
Huerta was offered a fight and he himself said he wanted to take time off.
Tito was offered Dan Hendo but he wanted to do the apprentice so lets not rewrite history.
You notice I never brought up Tito.
Arlovski’s camp may have turned down fights, I don’t know. All I’ve read is that they were offered fights earlier in 2007, agreed and the opponents turned them down after which he had to wait for Jake. Roger Huerta I’ve actually heard both ways. Like I said, if you have other information great, I have no problem with you setting me straight.
That's... not true about Huerta.
He repeatedly said he was waiting by the phone for a fight and was ready to finish out his contract. He got froze out.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
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Roger has two fights left on his contract and if he beats Kenny Florian he could be held out of competition and be subject to the Zuffa Freeze-out, as used on Andre Arlovski and Brandon Vera during contract negotiations.
http://mmapayout.com/2008/10/the-zuffa-freeze-out-and-unintended-consequences/
Contrary to the Countdown to UFC 89’s contention that Brandon Vera sat out of competition for a year due to "management problems", in reality Brandon was the initial test case in the "Zuffa Freeze Out" strategy. The freeze out strategy mainly consists of the front loading of fights on a fighters contract in order to increase negotiating power with the threat of holding out the fighter until nearly the end of the contract before giving said fighter their last fight. Such a measure cuts down the fighters ability to generate income from fights and sponsorship money as well as impacting the fighter value if he chooses to exit the UFC. Other noted fighter who have gotten or look to get the treatment are Andre Arlovski and Roger Huerta.
http://mmapayout.com/2008/10/the-zuffa-freeze-out-and-unintended-consequences/
Could be false, but I’ve read it on numerous sites that those guys were frozen out.
by John Nash on Feb 24, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That was back when payout was like a zuffa haters wet dream. They have improved some, but I wouldn’t take their interpretation of something that paints zuffa in a bad light as gospel, especially from a few years ago.
Agreed, and if the Vera situation was actually a “test case”, boy did Zuffa go to a great deal of trouble to make it look like a management conflict by engineering a law suit (which they were not involved in) and convincing Vera to tell everyone that it was because of management problems.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Even though that is what they did:
http://www.mmahq.com/blog/2008/03/21/ufcs-skirt-gets-lifted/
How about Bloody Elbow:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/3/21/204324/232
It could get amazing ratings...
if Hendo scores another highlight reel KO of a boring fighter. It COULD be a launching point for both Hendo and SF.
Problem is, people aren’t going to know if there is a highlight reel KO to watch before the fight happens. Don’t see how " It could get amazing ratings…if Hendo scores another highlight reel KO of a boring fighter." For that logic to work people would need time machines. They would actually have some good highlight footage to promote Hendo in the future with, which would be nice. But thats really the only plus.
by IWillPartyHard on Feb 24, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of footage… what highlights could they use to promote henderson now? RINGS clips from 1999?
At this point.. no footage. They have to go on name recognition entirely. Thankfully for Dan his stint on TUF wasn’t that long ago so still should be relatively fresh in people’s minds.
Dan hasn’t fought since last July, and without the promotional push from the UFC to keep him on peoples mind in the meantime I’m not sure anyone will remember.
Don’t forget, Dan has never been a proven draw, and if you think the numbers for UFC 100 were because of him, perhaps you should go see a doctor.
They just market him as the last 185 and 205 pound champ in Pride. Its not as marketable as if they could show him knocking out Bisping and Wandy, but its still something.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Can they say PRIDE champ in
their promos? I think that would be shaky ground.
I believe they can say it
but can not show the logo or belts, as those images are intellectual property of Zuffa.
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Other promotions routinely mention a fighters prior UFC experience...
don’t see why this would be any different.
Lashley has a decent following too. He has more followers on Twitter than even BJPenn and other high profile fighters. At least last time I checked…
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 24, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
So what you are saying is Twitter
followers equal ratings? I think it is safe to say that more MMA fans don’t twitter than do.
Since when did i say it was the barometer? Im jus saying, he has a good following which would equal good amount of eyeballs. Lol
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 24, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if I agree with this thinking though. Shields != Bisping but then Shields isn’t a true 185er either, if Hendo lands another shot like against Bisping he’ll push Shields into another dimension let alone knocked out.
The only reason Dan landed that shot was because Bisping kept circling into Hendo’s power hand. Shields has been in the fight game for a long and I don’t see him being that incompetent.
By that you mean...
Bisping set it up for Dan and Dan just got lucky swinging his right hand?
Come on.. Fighting (team sports also) are a two way street.
Well, it’s not like Bisping was a rookie.
by ufc4 on Feb 24, 2010 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let me be the first to welcome Jake Shields
…back to the Welterweight division.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
by jemaleddin on Feb 24, 2010 11:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well, that would be nice as well.
But once he starts getting schooled there, can he make the cut to LW? :-P
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Well, he won’t fight Nick Diaz so what’s there for him in the SF 170lbs division?
Some guys lose, some guys win, I don’t like the mentality that guys constantly feel the need to switch weightclass when they can’t string together a long line of success.
He means Jason Miller, Robbie Lawler and Paul Daley I assume.
So two washouts and a one-dimensional striker.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Your criticisms of any fighter not in the UFC is getting ridiculous. Yeah, he beat Lawler, who would probably be taken back, Mayhem who is hardly a wash out considering his only fight was against GSP at a weight class below his ideal, and Daley who is one punch away from a title fight.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Feb 24, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was being a little hard, I admit.
But this is all besides the point: Robbie and Mayhem MIGHT be able to fight again at welterweight, but they didn’t fight him at welterweight, did they?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Current UFC fighters: Paul Daley, Carlos Condit, and Mike Pyle at WW. If you want you can throw MW Yushin Okami on the list.
by John Nash on Feb 24, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Shields
but beating those 3 in the UFC today won’t take you to the top of the division.
Kampmann is/was top 10
based on his win over Condit, and despite getting blasted by Daley… who is currently the consensus #6 WW in the UFC/world an in a number one contenders bout. Yeah, beating Daley or Condit still makes you pretty relevant.
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by pdl on Feb 24, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Guess that is true,
I forgot about Daley, I just have a hard time seeing him at 6.
Hendo was promised CBS… but then again Tim Sylvia thought free agency was the wave of the future and that he’d be fighting 6 times a year.
When Sylvia got raped by Fedor something died inside him. lol
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 24, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
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