Frank Mir, Dana White, and the Invocation of Death in Fight Promotion
by Michael Rome on Feb 23, 2010 6:52 PM EST
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Dana White's apparently pretty angry about Frank Mir's comments about Brock Lesnar. Here is what Mir said (in proper context):
"I like to think that just for the reason that I’m pretty candid when I speak about things. A lot of individuals are so worried about being politically correct and you know a lot of fighters you know we’re all together I hear them, "Oh, don’t say that because you know the fans won’t like you!" I’m like you know what dude, I’ve realized a long time ago you’re going to have fans who love you and fans that hate you and I’d rather go ahead and say what’s on my mind than to sit there and come up with some PC you know "Oh you know the guy’s a great fighter and I have a lot of respect of him!" And if I don’t mean it, then why is it even coming out of my mouth because whose interested in hearing that?
You see the same cookie cutter responses. "Oh, who do you want to fight next? Well, whoever the UFC deems me, I just want to fight anybody!" I’m like man, I’ve heard that a thousand times! I want to fight Lesnar. I hate who he is as a person, I want to break his neck in the ring, I want him to be the first person that dies due to Octagon-related injuries. That’s what’s going through my mind."
In context the quote is referring to his mindset going into fights and the way he answers questions in interviews. Really, it's not that bad, but the real problem is that taken out of context his quotes give opponents of MMA in New York and around the world a hatchet to attack the sport with. No wonder Dana White is so mad. Here are two questions to ponder:
1: Will the UFC use this radio interview to promote a possible third fight on their countdown show?
2: Is the above quote worse than the following quote from a UFC champion that the UFC used to promote one of their biggest fights of all time just one year ago?
[UPDATE] by Nick Thomas - UFC Statement regarding Frank Mir:"Georges Im gonna go to the death and Im going to try to kill you and Im not joking about this."
"I was disappointed by Frank Mir’s comments," said Dana White. "Frank’s been with the UFC a long time, he’s a two-time heavyweight champion and a commentator for the WEC. I think his emotions are running high right now, he has a big fight coming up next month and he’s still upset about his loss to Lesnar. He’s been talked to, he regrets what he said, and he won’t be saying anything like that again."[UPDATE] 2 by Nick Thomas - Shane Carwin comments on Frank Mir:
"I would like to apologize to Brock Lesnar, his family, the UFC and the UFC fans for my stupid remarks," said Frank Mir. "I respect Brock, all the other fighters, and the sport of mixed martial arts. I’m sorry that I stepped out of line."
"I did not see the interview so I can't comment on what he might have said. I can tell you that ANY athlete wishing death upon a competitor is either a terrible human being or mentally unfit to fight. That type of talk and if it ever happened will take this sport backwards. Frank has been a part of the stone ages of MMA and it makes no sense why he would want or make comments that might damage a lot of the good HE has participated in adding to this sport over the years."HT: ufc.com
"Brock is a heel in the ring but at home he is a human, husband, father and friend to many. Wishing death or harm upon him doesn't serve any purpose. I will do my best to make Frank's dream of fighting Brock come true, unfortunately for them it will be a three round fight as I plan on winning both of those belts."
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Frank’s wife Jennifer:
"Frank will be making a statement this afternoon from the UFC headquarters. Frank is disturbed by the reaction to his comments regarding Brock Lesnar. Frank is a warrior and an ambassador for this sport. After his statement, he will not be speaking about Brock again, and will choose to instead focus on his next opponent, Shane Carwin."
by DamnSevern on Feb 23, 2010 5:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like Mrs. Mir put Frank in his place. About time someone got him to shut up about Brock Lesnar.
More like Dana White got mad and is making Frank apologize.
by Michael Rome on Feb 23, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I want to buy Frank Mir
a Brock Lesnar FATHEAD as a joke – how do you think it would go over?
Star Maps should have his address lol
by NetLogic on Feb 23, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That would be AWESOME!
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
I will chip in twenty dollars
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
too late
No statement will make the “I want him to be the first person that dies due to Octagon-related injuries.” headlines go away. I wouldn’t mind him not speaking at all anymore.
by IronMonkey13 on Feb 23, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Frank is DISTURBED by the REACTION?
Umm…
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
To be fair
BJ Penn’s “to the death” was actually slang for 4th round.
by grein on Feb 23, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
I think BJ’s quote follows some cliche fighter rhetoric where Mir got very descriptive about a specific act with a specific consequence.
No...
I’m just trying to figure out what that stupid green thumb is all about. I mean, that was just a pile of canadian shit.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
What’s being Canadian have anything to do with rec’ing grein’s comment? In the context of this discussion, Penn’s comments were worth mentioning. I don’t think it’s necessarily on par with Mir’s comment, but a guess some people think it is.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
I thought grein was making a joke about how penn gave up in the fourth round. Being that GSP is Canadian, and probably Grein (maybe just a GSP bitch), I don’t understand why pro GSP rhetoric would get a green thumb.
But then again, I don’t know what the damn thumb means anyway.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
yeah, you may never know at the rate youre going.
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 24, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
mad retarded bomb shit props to you sir
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I just think this is DW trying to satiate the media and fans. He’ll quote this in the Countdown show. That is, if Carwin doesn’t knock his block off.
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
No fighter should talk about murdering their opponent, period.
But I will say that Mir’s statement comes across far worse than Penn’s. Saying you want to snap someone’s neck and kill them is different then saying you will fight them “to the death.”
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 23, 2010 5:18 PM EST reply actions
The next sentence says he is trying to kill him and he’s not joking about that. Mir’s answer was about his mentality, it’s essentially the same thing.
by Michael Rome on Feb 23, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Right
So they’re both totally acceptable.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I think the fact that went so far as to say how he hoped to kill him made it sound a little worse.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Feb 23, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
“Mir is a [expletive] idiot! I have never heard something so unprofessional and idiotic in my life,”
We got confirmation that Dana doesn’t watch his videoblogs and doesn’t read his interviews.
"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."
by spectaa on Feb 23, 2010 5:23 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
BROCKLESNAR!
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
I don't think Frank meant it at all the way it's being taken.
The remark makes more sense with some added punctuation:
“‘I want to fight Lesnar. I hate who he is as a person, I want to break his neck in the ring, I want him to be the first person that dies due to Octagon-related injuries.’ – That’s what’s going through my mind.”
Frank wasn’t actually asserting that he wants to kill Brock. He was offering us meta-analysis of his own thought process.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
dude where have you been
Mir HATES Lesnar, he acts like a little baby when it comes to him.
He 100% meant he wanted to kill him, Mir is insane.
as long as we have experts like you around
to tell us what he meant, and what percent he meant it, I guess we’ll be just fine
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Hey Farva whats that place you like to eat?
by xbuckeyex05 on Feb 23, 2010 7:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ahhhh
Super Troopers
greatest movie? or greatest movie?
"Ehh I don't think it's just me; I think nobody likes him"
- Wanderlei Silva on Micheal Bisping
It can be "call" as well...so, says the "Wiktionary"
[edit] NounSingular
shenanigan
Plural
shenanigans
shenanigan (plural shenanigans)
Trickery, games; skulduggery. To “call”, “claim” or “declare” shenanigans is to rhetorically label something as officially deceitful, improper, or otherwise incorrect.
“The advertisement said it would cost $50 but they charged me $75 at the register. I declare shenanigans.” The speaker passes off the statement as having some sort of implied official effect, but in reality, it is simply a complaint.
A deceitful confidence trick, or mischief causing discomfort or annoyance.
You should learn to spot their shenanigans and avoid being fooled.
Mischievous play, especially by children.
Since you said above that you "hate" Frank Mir
I think we can discount your analysis.
Get rid of the ramp!
I get that he hates Lesnar.
He’s aware that he hates Lesnar, and that’s why he has these thoughts regarding Lesnar. And here he was telling us about them.
You don’t do a lot of meta-cognition, do you?
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I don’t think fighters should be saying they want to kill their opponent.
I also don’t think we need to crucify mir for his comments, he’s playing the hype game and got a little carried away.
Now, as for BJ, there is more outrage this time. Why? 1. BROCKLESNAR. 2. “i want him to be the first guy to die from octagon related injuries” sounds a little more serious and thought out than, “i’m gonna kill that guy.”
That said, it would be nice if we could stop the death talk when it comes to sports.
He's not being crucified
People are saying it was a stupid comment, and it was a stupid comment. Nobody is asking for him to lose his job, or even to apologize.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I want him to lose his job and apologize. And for good measure he should kill himself.
by ufc4 on Feb 23, 2010 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Do you ever add anything to the conversation?
by coleko on Feb 23, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Top-Shelf Hatin.
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
'Death Talk'...
is appropriate in combat sports. Should we not refer to mma as a combat sport?
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
UFC STATEMENT REGARDING FRANK MIR
UFC President Dana White said, "I was disappointed by Frank Mir’s comments. Frank’s been with the UFC a long time, he’s a two-time heavyweight champion and a commentator for the WEC. I think his emotions are running high right now, he has a big fight coming up next month and he’s still upset about his loss to Lesnar. He’s been talked to, he regrets what he said, and he won’t be saying anything like that again."
"I would like to apologize to Brock Lesnar, his family, the UFC and the UFC fans for my stupid remarks," said Frank Mir. "I respect Brock, all the other fighters, and the sport of mixed martial arts. I’m sorry that I stepped out of line."
The sad thing is
that if you take the comments in context (the first time I’ve read his full comments) and take them with the grain of salt required for Frank’s somewhat dry way of saying things, it makes perfect sense.
But just hearing he said “I want to break his neck” and “I want him to die” makes him sound like a raving lunatic.
The joys of the media.
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on Feb 23, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No it doesn't
You can’t cover your ass when you make comments like that. Honestly, people defending it are doing so in a very unusual manner. People are saying “geez, what a stupid thing to say”, and they’re right. No one is calling for him to make a public apology like teary eyed Jayson Williams on my TV right now. Just to ease up on his obsession with Brock. It’s unsettling.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Sometimes you gotta know when to stop punching…
by mmalogic on Feb 23, 2010 5:50 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Which fight is this?
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
Bisping vs Silva this weekend
Must admit I didn’t even notice this little flurry! Must have been grabbing a beer from the fridge.
Get rid of the ramp!
I must have missed that too
Wow Bisping.
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
nice head movements!
Own the Podium became Owned on the Podium. What a failure.
Cigano, it is your time to avenge your master's loss!
Making the world a better place, one dirtbag at a time.
by CC11 on Feb 23, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Feb 23, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
His knee is down.
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I know but this
is the PERFECT example of allowing knees to a downed fighter.
Jardine actually won that fight, though compustrike says different. Apparently throwing and missing strikes count in the judges eyes.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Frank Mir couldn’t lace up Chael’s shit-talkin boots.
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’m certainly no fan of Penn’s (although I think he’s an amazing fighter), but his words didn’t come off nearly as bad and as disgusting as Mir’s. JMO.
Probably because we're used to him deifying himself in his statements
and tends to speak in such an arrogant tone of voice that nobody really takes him seriously.
Mir is normally much more calm and collected, even when talking about snapping peoples’ limbs off. I haven’t heard the audio of what he said, but I imagine he made these comments in his usual manner – it just seems more severe because you can’t hear the way he says it and it’s wildly out of context.
Feh.
Get rid of the ramp!
I think another part of it
is the difference between a 165 lbs Cabbage Patch doll and a 6’5" 250-270ish lbs (who knows where he’s at now) guy. The image of each guy made a huge difference in my head initially.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Penn tends to joke around a lot too.
Like his statement when KenFlo wanted to kill the master. He replied along the lines of “Did he really say that shit?” and chuckles.
I think that has more to do with Mir being such an articulate speaker (see his Kongo post-fight commentary) than the actual intent behind their words. If you think BJ didn’t mean essentially the same thing you are fooling yourself.
Take all of this in the context that I think both of these fighters were talking about their mentality going into fights not that they actually intend to kill their opponent.
Also, why is nobody talking about Mir’s quote after the Kongo fight, essentially saying that Brock is a father and how he wouldn’t wish any ill will on him outside the ring?
That’s what’s going through my mind."
Being the key phrase in Mir’s little Brock rant but as usual with anything Mir related alot of crybaby fanboys will come out of nowhere to bash him regardless on context.
by Raker on Feb 23, 2010 5:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I like Frank Mir primarily because of what he says and how he says it… even though this rant of his veered into hannibal lecter territory, I for one hope he doesnt change who he is.
You can only take so much of the GSP’s of the world walking and talking with there index cards in hand:
1) “fighting is like poker and in poker you dont show your hand” (check)
2) “I do things for the challenge” (check)
3) “I respect my opponent until the night of the fight” (check)
yadda, yadda, yadda.
Yes, and Mir’s umpteenth rant about physically injuring Brock in the cage is VERY original.
by ufc4 on Feb 23, 2010 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
or he realizes that hyping fights has made him a much bigger star than his so-so skillset has
by Jason H. on Feb 24, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The way he hypes fights definitely has made him a big star, but so has his fighting ability. The dude has some serious skills.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
Thank you.
Calling frank mir’s skillset so-so is just laughable. Yep, he’s just fighting for what is or was an interim title shot because he’s marketable. It has nothing to do with him winning two fights spectacularly recently where the majority of people on here were picking against him, and being the only guy to beat the champion thus far. The guy can’t strike, has subpar jiu-jitsu, and horrible gameplanning. Ok im done.
I like both.
I like guys like GSP, who I think is great for the sport due to his skill, his clean image, and the respect he shows. But I also like guys like Mir. I too hope he never changes. Yeah, his comment about breaking Brock’s neck was too much, but ultimately I think there’s a place for guys like him and the way he hypes fights. I think it’s healthy to have a balance of both.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
Well if you take what BJ said out of context it could be worse
BJ says he is going to kill GSP
“Im going to try to kill you and Im not joking about this”
BJ Penns comments regarding coming fight with GSP.
Not exactly the same but you get the point I think.
Penn’s remark was actually worse because there was really no reason for him to be upset with GSP. It was kinda awkward.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Mir has the right to say this
Jesus I heard so many fighters , including Wanderlei Silva , saying “I’m going to kill him!!”.
Whatever , this is a violent sport , and these guys are trying to beat and choke each other with all their force . They are actually trying to kill each other sometimes , in a way. That’s why there is a referee , to stop them from doing it . Mir never said he was going to break any rule during that fight . In fact , people who broke the rules and put their opponent in danger are often time misleadingly quiet before fights – like Dan Henderson (admitting he beat on unconscious Hendo to “shit him up a little” , Sokoudjou , Babalu , Rampage (giving a few uncalled for punches to an unconscious Wanderlei) , Yvel and so many others .
So it’s not really important what you say before or after a fight , it’s important how you behave during the fight .
And Dana White just wants more attention to himself and his fighters with this crap , do u really think he’s angry with Mir over this ? I call bullshit.
by JoelMan on Feb 23, 2010 5:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that hendo thing, the rampage thing, those were scary things. This is nonsense
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
by mma_dude on Feb 23, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Henderson was finishing the fight, his immediate post-fight comments were off the sleeve to get a reaction from the crowd, and he later said that he realized Bisping was out when he was already on his way back to Earth.
I cannot believe people are still jawing that line…
Yeah, he was just playing to the crowd. I never took the comment seriously at the time he said it.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
just like people shouldn't take this seriously...
he’s just playing to the crowd that hasn’t bought tickets yet.
Maybe Dana should have never said Herschel would die if he ever fought in the octagon. Mir obviously thought Dana was referring to him and believed it.
'Ello G'vnor!
The difference between this and Penn’s statements, and any other fighter’s, is the over the top detail Mir put into it. When Penn said his thing you knew it was coming from some Hawaiian warrior mindset of going into battle and putting everything on the line, and it better illustrates how facetious his comments were based on him actually quitting after the fourth. If Penn or anyone else had went further on past the I’m going to kill him line it would be in the same boat, but that’s usually the cut off line.
When a guy is going into detail about just how specifically they want to mortally injure somebody and how they want them to die not just from getting a beat down at the time, but later on from injuries relating to the beatdown those comments are going to come off as a little more “disturbed” than the rest. Personally I don’t take what Mir says seriously nor do I even really care all that much, if anything he’s just coming off as more of a stalker, but to the casuals and people that had a hard time swallowing Sonnen’s schtick this really isn’t going to go down all that well.
And also to the point everyone knows Dana didn’t mean literally Herschel would be murdered in a fight and he also didn’t imply that he would want Herschel to be killed. I also think Danas fully aware of what Mir was going for but didn’t want to ruin the kayfabe, just the same as when he played dumb to Sonnen’s comments. It’s all just one big bag of hyperbole, just Mir’s hyperbole was a little to…hyper.
"You never know, I don't know, you know?" - Nick Diaz
by Fake Emcee on Feb 23, 2010 6:16 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Well I can't disagree with anyone agreeing with me
You feel the same way I do about the blacks and the Jews right?
"You never know, I don't know, you know?" - Nick Diaz
What about Nazi ducks?
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
by SSreporters on Feb 23, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
They should all be strung up by their fins!
Some people may have a problem with my extreme opinions, but they can all go die from octagon related injuries.
"You never know, I don't know, you know?" - Nick Diaz
so you're saying...
Quentin Tarantino is to Frank Mir what Michael Bay is to Dana White.
—Ok, I guess I can see that. But why should these fighters have to be PG.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Looks like Monte Cox needs to find a new state to host events!
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on Feb 23, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
THere are two ways to read this. One is that he’s talking about a fight with Brock Lesnar. The other is that he’s talking about how he deals with the media. When I read it with the latter in mind I don’t find it quite as offensive. He’s just saying that it makes sense to be extremely candid. The former, he’s taking it a little bit too far. It’s not a huge difference, but it does seem different to me.
I brought up the BJ Penn thing in the other thread and got panned for it. Where are they now???
This statement coming after the celebrated return-to-form of "The Axe Murderer".
New Orleans Saints - 2010 Super Bowl Champions. Unbelievable. Who Dat.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 23, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions
I chuckled at this.
At the end of the day, we hardcore fans celebrate “the Axe Murderer” using his trademarked “rape choke.”
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Feb 23, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Silly.
Fighters are suppose to say crazy shit and want to hurt each other.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
by At Least On Paper on Feb 23, 2010 7:16 PM EST reply actions
It's the "be the first to kill someone in the Octagon" thing
this is a very sensitive subject—we all know it will someday happen, it will be a dark day for the sport, and it will make regulation more difficult. The fact that Frank seemed to be TRYING to bring about such a thing, as if it would be an accomplishment, was especially grotesque. Worse still considering Lesnar’s recent health issues.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
by thetakeover on Feb 23, 2010 7:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's too specific
Saying “I’m going to kill this fucker!” or “I’m going to snap his neck!” is fighting-words, but saying “I want to break this guys neck and as a result have him died, and be the first guy to die from his injuries in the octagon”…. That seems serious, even if it isn’t.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Mir's comments were over the top..
The reason it became an issue is because the audio supports the directed tone. His words were meant and the tone directed his intention..
So we cann conclude the seriousness of his remark. As compared to something Dana said about Herschel being the first death in MMA.. Dana’s remark was more hyperbole..
The written context doesn’t provide the tone in which the message was sent or meant.. It can be read many different ways. In this particular case, we have an audio clip to support the conclusion..
It was simply a little “too much” and too shoon.. maybe once the sports on more stable ground and the markets they’re trying to break into are broken into.. Then this type of catch phrasing and rhetoric can be dismissed as such.. But now is not that time and it’s reflective as such..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Feb 23, 2010 7:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with part of Mir's statement
about fighters saying the same “I’ll fight whoever the UFC puts in front of me” line. They either need to stop asking that question in post-fight interviews, or the fighters should just say who they really want to fight next – because, I bet 99% of the fighters out there have a list of other fighters they want to test themselves against. Like how Kos called out Hughes. Even if the fight’s not feasible, at least he’s being honest.
For all of you fans who are confused about why these violent thoughts might be going through Frank’s head — just watch the end of Mir/Lesnar II. That is the context for these statements, and in that context, these statements are tame.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
So a BROCKSMASH is worse than wishing death on someone?
Heath Herring must be up in Lesnar’s deer stand with his pants off holding a set of binoculars right now then. No wonder he doesn’t have a Ferrari.
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wtf...
Do you even know what I’m talking about? What the hell are you talking about? Do you refer to Brock as “An Hero”?
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Ugh, anyways……
I am trying to figure out how you are trying to justify what Frank is saying with the fact that Brock pounded him into oblivion at UFC 100. If Brock KO’ing Mir makes it okay to say those things then Heath Herring must be really losing it after what happened to him.
Got it now?
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
You beat Mir up, great, youre the man brock — but why talk all that shit to your battered and broken opponent in the octagon in front of everyone to see.
Got it now?
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
yeah spectaa,
I hope you’re not wishing suicide on anyone.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Maybe I wasn't specific enough...
Watch what Lesnar does immediately after the fight. This guy is not just a heel — he’s a real asshole.
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Can't the homophobic duo
just get it on and get it over with? Sexual tension is a bitch!
by ScooterMagruder on Feb 23, 2010 7:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
All this talk makes me think
Mir has lost fight number 3 with BROCKLESNAR already.
Brock is gaining more fans every time Mir speaks.
Brock is gonna come back to the UFC as an hero.
An hero always sounded strange to me.
Only a Lesnar fan would call him "an hero" LOL
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by mma_dude on Feb 23, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t even really like Brock but atleast he only says stupid things after fights and not every 2 weeks. Compared to Frank, I look at Brock much more favorably as someone who will promote the sport with professionalism.
There it is...
we can now end the discussion. Thanks Fake Emcee!
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yeah, that was weird! It happened to me earlier in the post as well.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Usually that's when a thread has gotten hidden while you're viewing the page...
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Big ol' massive yawn...
Media taking his statements out of perspective… hmm, you mean like this?
So what was different about this compared to
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It was Frank Mir, and these people are predisposed to react negatively to anything he says. Pretty simple, but doesn’t make it any less moronic. They’re getting played like a violin.
by BillyJane on Feb 23, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Well good for you on being able to stay above all this nonsense and offer some real insight to this situation. I’m just glad you could do it without coming off like a high and mighty prick because that would have been nauseating.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Since when does smack talk need insight? Frank Mir said some things that sound a hell of a lot like what most fighters say before most of their fight, and some people are choosing to twist up their panties because he “went into too much detail”.
Fighters that include:
Cain Velasquez, BJ Penn, and Brock Lesnar.
Wait, what was that last one?
BROCKLESNAR said he wanted to “murder” somebody? Who?!
Oh: Frank Mir. Well, you can’t get mad at him – he’s BROCKLESNAR.
Where was all the outrage then?
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by jemaleddin on Feb 23, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My reference to insight was to your input, not Frank Mir’s shit talking.
“Most fighters” do not say that they want their opponent to die of Octagon-related injuries. Some have yes but that doesn’t make it cool.
It’s just sad to watch Frank do this because he is going to get destroyed again by Brock and he knows, like he said hyping ufc 100, if you have two losses to the champ that puts you way down at the bottom.
No one is going to give a shit what he says when he is back submitting low to mid-tier fighters with dick for ground game like Kongo and Hardonk. He has to make his money now.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
“My reference to insight was to your input, not Frank Mir’s shit talking.”
“Well good for you on […] offer some real insight to this situation”
What did you want me to offer insight on, my input? My reply was supposed to be “insight about my input” and not Frank’s comments?
“Some have yes but that doesn’t make it cool.”
Is this level of fuss raised every time? Care to express any insight as to why that is?
I’m not sure who you’re talking to in the last two paragraphs.
Calm down man. You might be the first person to die of octagon death related commenting at this rate.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
But some of those that have include BROCKLESNAR
…speaking about Frank Mir.
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Yeah and BROCKLESNAR shouldn’t have said that. Shit like that is unnecessary.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Where was the outrage last summer?
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Um, I don’t exactly know what you mean. My outrage? Your outrage? The outrage of the BE commenters can easily be found in the archives I assume. Although its mainly just tired cocksword jokes I imagine.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Your outrage.
And the answer is that there wasn’t any. Because only BROCKLESNAR fans have the ability to keep in mind so many contradictory thoughts:
a) BROCKLESNAR is the toughest guy around
b) BROCKLESNAR needs them to defend him from having his feelings hurt
c) BROCKLESNAR is CLEARLY joking when he says something mean
d) When people talk about BROCKLESNAR they are never joking.
Meanwhile, the rest of us read his comments and thought: well done sir – you’re really hyping up your fight with Frank Mir very well.
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by jemaleddin on Feb 23, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
And may I add that you look great in those shoes.
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by jemaleddin on Feb 23, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you. I grew weary of this discussion and my brain konking out on me combined with google images produced that. Not one of my finest moments but I stand by it.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I thought they were
fighting over strawberries. WTF did I miss?
Brock just said the he was counting down the days until he could murder Frank.
You know, the kind of honest, good-natured ribbing you expect form Brock.
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You are
mistaken, he was inquiring about what brand of horseshoe he had acquired.
That must be it.
He is such a gentleman after all, known for his sophistication and his genteel manner.
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He reeks of
class and sophistication, his Coors lite even tells hims when its cold enough to drink. Does it get any classier than that?
INDEED IT DOES NOT.
I ran into him in the street the other day and he helped me repair my broken penny-farthing.
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I attempted to capture the scene
…with my camera obscura, but was unable to compose the shot what with the fantastic speed of his movements as he undertook the repairs. A FINE GENTLEMAN, INDEED.
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They were Tapered Horseshoes for easy removal recall.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I recall
"I hope he tries to stand with me. That'd be great, I'd love it." - Heath Herring UFC 87 pre-fight interview.
by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry but did Brock all of the sudden become this beloved MMA icon
"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"
I dont think so, he is just less hated than Frank Mir at this point.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
This.
We have not seen or heard from him lately. Mr Jemaleddin has spent some time with him recently though.
Ya apparently he and Brock bro’d down quite recently. I hope they ate their roughage.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
QUITE.
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No, he's still kind of a jerk.
But a jerk who was absolutely crushed by those mean things that Frank said that Brock didn’t actually hear, what with not being near the radio station in question and not having internet access.
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I feel like saying...
“Act like you been there before”. Use the time in the octagon to do the talking. This over the top crap just gets old. Who exactly was he trying to impress?
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by UMBC Oriole fan on Feb 23, 2010 10:11 PM EST reply actions
I think Frank Mir is trolling all of us. Dana is probably in on it and Lesnar too. Mur is just following Sonnen’s lead but in a less creative way.
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by MyFistYourFace on Feb 23, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Sonnen recently garnered a lot of new found attention for himself w/his over-the-top comments(and his performance) about another revered champion. Mir obviously talks trash on a regular basis so to really get people to pay attention, he had to take it to another level. In his mind, saying he wanted Brock to die in the Octogon was a way of upping the ante.
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by MyFistYourFace on Feb 23, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know man....
You really seem like this goldfish I used to know.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes you can't argue jack shit
without people proclaiming you to be just “hating.” Frank Mir said something stupid, so stupid that even Dana had to come out and apologize and make Mir back track on his statements. I saw the shit on Jim Rome today and even he was telling him to calm down bro, I’d honestly like for someone to find an example of someone saying something worse than what Mir said recently that people didn’t tear a whole in their panties about.
And honestly what makes it worse is that this n word ain’t even fighting Brock anytime soon, he’s fighting another n word. Damn man I guess we should just let some stuff slide in case we look biased and it delegitimizes are arguements. Honestly, I like Frank Mir and root for him most of the time but the dude went to far whether someone else said something similar before or not. Frankly some of you n words are trippin!
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by Fake Emcee on Feb 23, 2010 10:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
There it is...
we can now end the discussion. Thanks Fake Emcee!
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Dana is pissed for two reason. First is that is quote will be brought up in New York when MMA legalization comes to a vote. The second is that Frank has a high profile fight coming up, and I would not put it past a commission to drag Frank in front of one of their meetings to make him explain why they should give him a license to fight in their state.
I definitely think he should be allowed to fight in any state he chooses. I just wish he wasn’t allowed to talk.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I really doubt Dana is THAT pissed. He is fight promoter after all. I always thought fighters were expected to say outlandish things to sell a fight. Its not like Mir could say he wanted to “eat Brock’s children” as that has already been done by the biggest PPV draw in the history of combat sports.
Dana coming out w/a public apology and admonishing Mir is the perfect way to cover the UFC’s ass but he is sure as hell gonna make this fight ASAP.
Also, the commissions(especially Nevada) are not going to refuse to license someone for trash talk. It’s a non-issue except in the minds of those of you who have apparently never watched boxing.
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by MyFistYourFace on Feb 23, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Dana is a) happy to get all this free fight hype
b) Pissed that he has to come out and say things he doesn’t mean because a bunch of idiots with the long-term memory of fruit flies can’t wrap their head around the idea that BROCK SAID THE SAME SHIT.
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We get it man. We just don’t care. Especially with your petulant and incessant reminding the world of it with every keystroke you make. You dislike Brock, we got it.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Dislike him? What does this have to do with disliking him?
I’m saying that I didn’t give a shit when he did EXACTLY the same thing that everyone is so wounded about Frank doing. That’s not about disliking the guy. That’s about having the emotional maturity to recognize reality from fight-hype.
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Awesome.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Got any spare
emotional maturity I can have? i am going to go and fix Sherdog right quick.
I spent all mine at the UG.
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As if - it would take far more than I could muster.
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Who gives a flying monkey nugget if Brock said the same thing
“well he did it before” is not a good argument for bad behaviour nor will it ever be. Honestly where did this new flock of Brock fans come from that all of the sudden they’re the large majority and Brock is a highly repsected individual that no one ever calls out for saying something stupid, if Brock said something similar enough and people didn’t respond to it it’s most likely because it wasn’t brought to their attention.
And of course Danas probably not all that bothered, really most of the time when someone has to issue a public apology for the actions of someone else they themselves aren’t personally offended but they do have to save face in front of the majority or people who are offended.
And before you respond and insult me I’ll have you know that I train UFC and compete more than often so anything you say to me will constitute as fighter bashing!
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Well shit, then I guess I forfeit.
And I would just add that you smell like a poopy-head.
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Wouldn't that be..
Train “MMA” ???
Train UFC sounds so cliche’ and fanboyish… lol
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Why is St. Carwin now weighing in?
We could all have predicted what he would say and spared us the holier-than-though attitude.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 23, 2010 11:09 PM EST reply actions
He just wanted to remind Frank that he is fighting him next…… In the most high and mighty way possible.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
How I see the difference between what Mir said and BJ et al’s comments:
Usually in sports, as in regular life, when we say we want to ‘Kill/Murder’ someone; it’s entirely obvious that we don’t mean it literally.
It’s said to express anger / frustration with somebody (e.g.: if he’s late again I’ll kill him), than it is to actually express homicidal intent. Similarly, when an MMA fighter says he’s going to murder his opponent, I at least take it as synonymous with ‘beat up’— which is more or less the point of the sport anyway, when you get right down to it.
When Mir stated, clearly and specifically, that he wanted Brock Lesnar to be the first in-octagon-fatality, he came a lot closer to expressing that sounded like a genuine will to end a life than the usual shit talk does.
That said, it doesn’t sound as bad in context and Mir’s always a bit of a jerk so my outrage meter isn’t exactly spiking.
by WanderleiNoooooo! on Feb 23, 2010 11:16 PM EST reply actions
Where as what Brock said was that he wanted to MURDER Frank
…and that he was counting the days until he could do so, which sounds exactly the same.
Now climb down off your high horse – it’s dead and continuing to beat it won’t help.
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It’s like watching your children grown up!
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
But I mostly don't despise my children.
Mostly.
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Do I know you brah?
Where the hell does your ‘high horse’ comment above come from? The phrase, fyi, implies pretending to hold a superior moral position to someone, something I didn’t actually do.
by WanderleiNoooooo! on Feb 23, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
He’s like this in every thread that involves Brock Lesnar, check out his posting history, it’s no joke. He takes his Brock hate seriously.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Feb 24, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
jemaleddin = Frank Mir
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 24, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
Man, I WISH.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
Mostly I just make fun of Brock – why would I hate the guy?
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About time we here some type of trash talk from Carwin, although it is not much, he really hasnt tried to sell this fight. I guess its kind of hard when the guy you are fighting is talking about someone else all together. If I were Dana, I would tell both of them, focus on talking trash to each other, then worry about who will fight Brock.
"Call that Amber Lamps"
It's almost as though...
…the only way to get any press is to say a bunch of outrageous bullshit!
Oh, wait. No. That would be wrong and hurtful.
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I do recall Mr. Carwin getting a lot of press for his arrogant anti-Lesnar twitter sermons.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 23, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Frank Murr.
It’s one thing to say something like “I’d like to cause him serious bodily harm.” He’s already done that. I recall an interview with him during Brock’s illness and said that he’d like to knee him in the stomach, coming across like he’d really like to HURT Brock.
Now he says he’d like to snap his neck, and that he’d like to see him be the first death in the octagon and what not.
Way out of line. I can’t see how anyone can defend Frank’s statement, and have the best wishes for MMA. The difference between Frank and the common “I’m gonna kill him” line is this…Frank is a well versed, outspoken man, who clearly outlined that he would, in all seriousness, be okay with Brock’s death caused by him. Despite what the trolls lurking around here will have you believe, the common MMA fan knows the difference between fight hype, and the vomit that oozed from Mir’s mouth. MMA, and martial arts in general is about sportsmanship, honor, etc. Thats why you see guys hug after a fight, touch gloves, and even see Wand shake hands with Rampage just this past weekend. Fans know that theres a show going on, and that things will be said…but no one has seriously wished death on another man.
Mir can take his apology and shove it in my opinion. What’s said is said, and he will do well to own his words and take responsibility for what comes out of his mouth.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Feb 24, 2010 12:49 AM EST reply actions
Go read what Brock said about Frank back before UFC 100 and then come back...
…and admit you have no point.
Also, in reference to kicking Brock in the gut, he wasn’t talking about hurting him for its own sake, he was saying that every fighter has weaknesses – if a guy is vulnerable to knee locks, you have to go for his knees. If a guy (coughTRIGGcough) gets caught in a lot of chokes, you go for that. And if a guy has a stomach condition, you’re gonna go for that.
Seriously: context is everything.
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by jemaleddin on Feb 24, 2010 6:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hughes vs Trgiss II
Most exciting MMA fight ever.
Who Cares?
Look at the way Brock was frothing at the mouth at the end of the last fight. You’re telling me both of those guys don’t want to kill each other? Every once and a while in combat sports there are two fighters who literally want to kill each other in the ring, they just usually don’t say it.
Fighters build up their hate about their opponents to heighten their psyche. Was it out of line and classless? Totally! In fighting though some of that goes with the territory, hitched to the same double-wide trailer carrying Brock and his inbred foaming from the mouth family.
it’s all good, this is just fighting building trash talk, can’t believe anyone would take shit like this seriously… didn’t mike tyson at one point say he wanted to eat holyfields children? that’s gotta be way worse than wishing death on someone.
If you don’t see the difference between Mike Tyson yelling about eating babies and Frank Mir saying he’d like Brock to die due to octagon-related causes, then I think I just lost my faith in humanity.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Feb 24, 2010 3:33 AM EST up reply actions
You mean like how Tyson was actually talking about what he wanted to do to Holyfield (and his family) while Frank Mir was actually talking about how when fighters are talking to media they give canned response and should actually just be genuine and say whats on their mind?
You’re absolutely right! That’s a profound difference!
by AdR23 on Feb 24, 2010 3:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I understain his anger..
I’ve felt that way about someone who’s thoroughly kicked my ass before in a street fight. However, this ain’t a street fight – it’s a career. Be fucking professional.
thank you iphone
for correcting “understand” to “understain” lol
When Dana White thinks what you said was stupid and over the line...
you know your comment had to be really bad.
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Dana isn't in the business of ethics or fairness or free speech.
He’s in the fight business. And that means that when people get upset by comments he has to repudiate them. When nobody got upset about BJ saying the same thing, what did Dana do? He put it in the commercials!
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mir comments
it cracks me up that poor frankie boy is upset over the idiotic, direspectful comments he made. he needs to stop fixating on brock and focus on carwin. bottom line, what frank said is absolutely ridiculous and uncalled for.
war carwin!
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