Will Paulo Thiago Be Rushed Into a UFC Title Shot Against Georges St Pierre?

Thiago talks to Tatame.com after his UFC 109 deconstruction of Mike Swick:
Do you think about the belt?
I'm not worry about it yet. On the right time UFC will give me the chance. I'm getting experience, feeling more comfortable. I'm not ready yet.
What is need to beat St. Pierre?
St. Pierre is very smart, it's going to be a chess game. Who gets calmer to annul the game of the other, takes it. He works a lot the takedown defense, the ground, the guard... You have to exchange with him, be aggressive. There are a lot of ways to study.
But despite his protestations to the contrary, Michael David Smith thinks that Thiago will be fighting for the title, barring a Dan Hardy upset of GSP:
But while Thiago views St. Pierre as a bigger challenge than he's prepared for, he might not have a choice. UFC President Dana White mentioned Thiago as a welterweight contender during a question-and-answer session with fans in Sydney, Australia, last week, and really, who else is there for the UFC to give GSP?
If St. Pierre beats Dan Hardy at UFC 111 next month, he'll have defeated all of the UFC's top welterweights other than Thiago. At that point, the UFC might need to throw Thiago in with St. Pierre simply because there's no one else to contend for the title.
My best bet: If Hardy upsets GSP, the winner of the Thiago Alves-Jon Fitch UFC 111 fight will get the first crack at Hardy. But if, as expected, GSP beats Hardy, Thiago would be the next man up, whether he thinks he's ready or not.
Personally, I think that GSP will likely face the winner of the Alves-Fitch fight before Thiago gets the title shot. GSP might have mauled both Alves and Fitch already, but either one of them is a more marketable challenger than Thiago, particularly if Alves or Fitch win in spectacular fashion.
Let's not forget that Fitch has already beaten Alves and done it in a really brutal fashion. In their 2006 bout, Fitch took Alves down and inflicted a beating against the cage that left Alves battered, bloody and utterly beaten. It was reminiscent of the beating that Randy Couture gave Vitor Belfort in their rubber match. Alves is much larger and his take down defense has improved dramatically since 2006, but I think either fighter stands a chance at winning dramatically enough to earn a second bite at GSP.
As for Thiago, I think he'll get the winner of Josh Koscheck vs Paul Daley and the winner of that will be next in line. And if he game plans for that fight as well as he did against Swick, he has an excellent chance of getting that title shot. Here's more from Tatame about that fight and how he beat the AKA fighter:
What did you expect for this fight?
We knew he's aggressive, so we trained a lot to catch him coming. And it worked. He hit me one, I gave two steps back and he thought I had felt the punch and came, but I hit him twice and he fell on triangle position, so it was easier.
Thiago's days as a fluke are over. It's time to take him seriously in the UFC welterweight division.
-- photo via ufc.com
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Everyone seems to forget about that Koscheck -Daley fight, that’s for number one contender.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Thiago fights the winner of Fitch-Alves for the next number one contender (after Koscheck-Daley)
by Brian Hemminger on Feb 23, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
This
Thats exactly what I was thinking too. Both Koscheck and Daley haven’t had a title shot, and when Kos lost to GSP was longer ago than either Fitch or Alves, plus he put up a better fight than either of those guys too. Not to mention he has had better more exciting wins in the interim as well. I don’t see how Alves could earn another shot one fight removed from his title shot. I also find Fitch to be about a million times less marketable than Thiago when it comes to a tile shot. One guy finishes top fighters in devastating fashion, the other squeeks out boring top control battles.
by IWillPartyHard on Feb 23, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think it all depends on how both fights play out.
If the Fitch/Alves is has a nice finish and Kos wins, I could see kos/thiago while fitch/alves gets the title shot.
This is pretty good though, no matter how the 3 matchups end up they’ll be able to come up with some good stuff.
If Alves wins, can you really justify giving him another title shot? That will be his first win since his title shot. I can’t. If Fitch beats Alves in devastating fashion is the only way I see him getting the next shot instead of the Kos-Daley winner. I don’t think Alves has a chance of getting the next title shot, unless GSP gets injured and they have time for him to take a Thiago or Daley fight in the interim.
by IWillPartyHard on Feb 23, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure it’ll be the winner of this. Kos already lost to GSP, but he hasn’t fought a title fight against him, and Daley, well, he’s new blood.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
Serra?
I like him and everything, but after fighting Volkmann and three AKA guys that would be a step down in competition IMO.
Get rid of the ramp!
I think Paulo Thiago vs. Kos/Daley winner is the proper way to go. Or, if they wanna give the Koscheck/Daley winner a title shot, I’d say give Paulo a match against Alves if he wins against Fitch. Damn, a fight with Karo Parisyan would be so clutch right now if… you know.. Karo hadn’t fucked up so much
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If Daley beats Kos I think he should get the next shot. If Kos wins then have him rematch P. Thiago with the winner getting a shot.
Just skip that last part, GSP hasn’t fought in forever, lets keep him busy. Unless he gets injured in the Hardy fight, giving him the Kos-Daley winner right away makes the most sense. Otherwise he will be inactive another 6 months while we wait for the results of the Kos-Daley winner against Thiago. Thiago says he needs more time, Kos said he’s ready for a title shot a long time ago. So let Thiago get the winner of Fitch-Alves.
by IWillPartyHard on Feb 23, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
If funny how things work themselves out
Not too long ago, Paulo Thiago was not even in talks of Title contention, and one fight later, he is. The same goes for George Sotiropolous in Lightweight and Chael Sonnen in Middleweight. It just goes to show that even when a division looks to be cleaned out, some fighter or fighters will always step up to the challenge. I would like to see Paulo Thiago get one more good fight in there before a Title shot, and there are actually many fighters that he can fight like the winner of Koscheck vs Daley, Martin Kampmann, the winner of Saunders vs Ellenberger, Diego Sanchez if he beats Hathaway, and the winner of Almeida vs Brown among others.
The divisions aren't shallow
It’s just that 4 out 5 have dominant champions, and when they destroy challengers it can make it hard to come up with new contenders.
by Mocha Shaka Khan on Feb 23, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Paulo Thiago is a top 10 fighter
who nearly subbed the consensus #2 WW in a competitive fight, KO’d a top 10 (now #4) WW in his UFC debut, and most recently subbed the consensus #6 WW after a beastly knockdown.
Paul Daley stepped up to fight Kampmann on short notice when the bout was previously for #1 contendership and KTFO him. Then KTFO’d Hazelett. If he beats Koscheck, he’s streaking through a top 15, 10, and 5 WW, with a 5 fight win streak total.
Josh Koscheck gave GSP a decent fight before in a non-title affair. He’s now improved his striking, on a win streak, the best credentialed wrestler in the division, and has conditioning to compete.
That’s three pretty legit contenders…
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by pdl on Feb 23, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't remember him "nearly subbing" Fitch
He had a hold but Fitch never looked in trouble to me.
Get rid of the ramp!
Please one more fight for Thiago before title contention
I’m completely on-board with Paulo since he beat Kos. His dismantling of Swick means he’s serious as a contender, but I think he needs 1 more fight and win before taking on the GSP mountain.
Winner of Kos/Daley seems very appropriate and if he wins that then title contention. It works well with the general schedule of WW fights too.
Winner of Fitch/Alves would be the better test, but it may not work with the WW schedule. Perhaps if GSP wants an exhibition match at MW after the hardy fight.
I think the UFC would prefer if Daley beat Koscheck, so they could throw Daley in as the next title contender to GSP.
If Alves beats Fitch, and Kos beats Daley, then things get tougher for the UFC in determining who gets the next crack.
Even if Alves beast Fitch or vice versa, I’m sure it’ll be Kos or Daley getting the shot. Kos has improved a lot since his loss to post-Serra GSP, and if Daley can beat him, it’ll be huge. Alves just lost, and Fitch has looked no better than he did against GSP the first time. Personally, I’d like to see GSP fight Kos or Daley instead of the other two.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
I’d agree with you, but I’d have to give Fitch the shot if he wins and if Kos wins.
That would mean that Fitch had won 4 straight since losing to GSP, and beat Alves and Thiago during that stretch, 2 guys who beat Kos (and beat him handily). Hard to deny him the shot, even if I don’t think he matches up well with GSP.
If Alves wins (and I think he will), he’s the clear #2 WW in the world, but it’s far too soon for him to have a rematch, so the UFC has to find someone else.
Daley beating Kos is the UFC’s best outcome, as it’s a new opponent, and another one who will talk trash and hype the fight with a huge UFC PPV draw in GSP.
Agreed. If Fitch beats Alves, he would deserve the shot the most, but we all know deserving and getting are two different things when it comes to title shots :)
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
My only problem with Fitch/Alves as #1 contender is that Alves hasn’t had a fight since losing to GSP and Fitch looked like dog shit against Mike Pierce.
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I like Fitch
but doesn’t he look like that against everyone?
I'm more interested in the Kos/Daley winner
If Kos wins as expected, he presents an awesome matchup for GSP, and if Daley upsets Kos, he will have demonstrated that he’s capable of hanging with a top-tier wrestler.
Both guys have more charisma than Thiago and will be happy to play the heel in that fight.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
“if Daley upsets Kos, he will have demonstrated that he’s capable of hanging with a top-tier wrestler.”
After the way Shields handled him in EliteXC I’m curious to see if he’s stepped up that area of his game.
Get rid of the ramp!
me too
I will be rooting hard for Daley, who has one of the cleanest, nastiest left hooks in the game, but I have a hard time seeing Kos getting suckered into trading with him. We’ll see if he’s been able to put together some takedown defense.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
In a somewhat related note, things would be much more exciting if BJ, GSP and A. Silva all moved up a weight class.
As dominant as they all are, I don’t see BJ faring as well if he moved up as the other two probably would. I think Koscheck, Alves, and maybe a couple others would give him the shits…and I say this with BJ being my favorite out of the three.
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by slapjaw ackrite on Feb 23, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think if BJ was
smart and slowly built lean muscle like GSP is, he would be fine. His problems of the past have been with not cutting to make the higher weights. He literally just ate more and trained less.
No need to rush this fight. I think he needs at least 2 more wins to warrant a title shot. Let him go on a 4-5 winning streak … in the end it will be for a better fight. I have no problem seeing gsp fighting Kos or Fitch again. Would be interesting to see how the rematches would go. I think Alves has the best chance of all the fighters who would potentially rematch gsp but i think only one fight removed from ufc 100 is a bit to soon. Maybe if Alves wins over Fitch you have a Paul Thiago vs Alves for the #1 contender.
His Days As A Fluke Are Over???
I know I’m not the only person that thinks Thiago’s victory over Koscheck was a fluke.
"There's nothing cool about taking punishment" - Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Throwing a punch and landing it is NOT a fluke. It’s simply achieving the desired objective.
by MMAEruption on Feb 23, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
oops . . . I meant to say that his victory over Koscheck was not a fluke. He had Koscheck timed well. - whatever too many errors. Dropping Koscheck is not difficult.
"There's nothing cool about taking punishment" - Floyd Mayweather Jr.
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 24, 2010 3:59 AM EST up reply actions
This is not really relevant, but...
Am I crazy for being under the impression that Kos is the last person to have won a round against GSP?
He won Rd 1 of their fight on one judges scorecard, at least, although I’m not sure how scoring it that way could be justified.
GSP was obviously stopped 2x in the UFC. Once by Hughes in Rd 1, in a round GSP was arguably winning. The other by Serra, in a round Serra controlled. Other than that, guys just don’t win rounds against GSP. Heck, amongst the last 3 contenders to GSP (Fitch, Penn, Alves), GSP as an abundance of 10-8 rounds in addition to not losing any of those 14 rounds. Pretty amazing given the level of those 3 opponents.
Didn't Thiago just get sat on for three rounds by Jon Fitch?
If he can’t threaten Jon Fitch, what kind of threat could he possibly pose to GSP?
Just want to point out that apparently GSP has already caused the first in-ring UFC death

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
wouldnt that be conspiracy to commit murder?
On account of Jackson applying the grease. That sir is a tainted W. BJ is twice the fighter gsp is. He got robbed the first time they fought. Lost the second fight. They are 1 & 1 in my mind and many others.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 23, 2010 5:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Jackson didn’t apply anything.
FAIL
In thousands of people’s minds, Jim Jones was a prophet. You’d have fit in well in his colony.
not so much
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Did-GSP-s-corner-cheat-to-give-him-an-edge-?urn=mma,138156 sorry phil nurse applied while Jackson supervised. Still sat there and did nothing while it was done. Epic fail as a head trainer! Unless you were OK with the cheating. Which he was. So previous statement stands. Part of the conspiracy.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 23, 2010 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're forgetting
That Paulo Thiago does that whole special ops thing, which is extremely marketable. That vid they assembled before his last fight was wicked.
Frankly the video they assembled before his last fight was totally contrived. Following him around on training missions doing things he probably doesn’t do often, if at all, in real life.
Trust me. I was on a Submarine. Sounds cool right? Yeah. Basically you jerk off and talk shit; a lot.
So, anyways, just saying, view with discretion… but don’t believe it all. I highly doubt Thiago went back to work on Monday tossing hand grenades at drug dealers and parachuting out of spaceships.
by Postpubescent on Feb 23, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
wait…people are parachuting out of spaceships? that was supposed to be classified information.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 23, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
ummm, I’ll have you know sir that I saw a commercial innforming me what it’s like in the military and it had some guy on a freaky hanglider after he had jumped out of a plane, wearing some kind of special high-tech infra-red goggles. Turns out they were rescuing a guy, they were waving around wicked machine guns.
THAT SOUNDS SO COOL!
Where do I sign???!?!?!?
All you do is jerk off and talk shit? Where do I sign?
by dreamers_12345 on Feb 24, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if I hadn't done time in the Navy
I’d think Submarine duty was the least appealing job. I mean, months spent cramped underwater doesn’t sound cool, no matter how many torpedoes you get to fire off.
by black dragon on Feb 24, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he'll be rushed
Even with a nice win over Koscheck, I think he’s still a couple of fights away from title contention, especially with the winners of Kos/Daley and/or Alves/Fitch knocking on the door of a title shot.
Paulo Thiago / Daley/Koscheck winner / Alves/Fitch winner
I wont complain whoever gets the next shot for the title. These are legitimate contenders in my eyes. I like GSPs current crop of contenders.
GSP should just move up to MW. The WW title picture is much more exciting w/o him. Can’t complain though, we still get to see them fight it out to get a shot at the almighty St. Pierre.
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