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Will Paulo Thiago Be Rushed Into a UFC Title Shot Against Georges St Pierre?

Thiago talks to Tatame.com after his UFC 109 deconstruction of Mike Swick:

Do you think about the belt?

I'm not worry about it yet. On the right time UFC will give me the chance. I'm getting experience, feeling more comfortable. I'm not ready yet.

What is need to beat St. Pierre?

St. Pierre is very smart, it's going to be a chess game. Who gets calmer to annul the game of the other, takes it. He works a lot the takedown defense, the ground, the guard... You have to exchange with him, be aggressive. There are a lot of ways to study.

But despite his protestations to the contrary, Michael David Smith thinks that Thiago will be fighting for the title, barring a Dan Hardy upset of GSP:

But while Thiago views St. Pierre as a bigger challenge than he's prepared for, he might not have a choice. UFC President Dana White mentioned Thiago as a welterweight contender during a question-and-answer session with fans in Sydney, Australia, last week, and really, who else is there for the UFC to give GSP?

If St. Pierre beats Dan Hardy at UFC 111 next month, he'll have defeated all of the UFC's top welterweights other than Thiago. At that point, the UFC might need to throw Thiago in with St. Pierre simply because there's no one else to contend for the title.

My best bet: If Hardy upsets GSP, the winner of the Thiago Alves-Jon Fitch UFC 111 fight will get the first crack at Hardy. But if, as expected, GSP beats Hardy, Thiago would be the next man up, whether he thinks he's ready or not.

Personally, I think that GSP will likely face the winner of the Alves-Fitch fight before Thiago gets the title shot. GSP might have mauled both Alves and Fitch already, but either one of them is a more marketable challenger than Thiago, particularly if Alves or Fitch win in spectacular fashion.

Let's not forget that Fitch has already beaten Alves and done it in a really brutal fashion. In their 2006 bout, Fitch took Alves down and inflicted a beating against the cage that left Alves battered, bloody and utterly beaten. It was reminiscent of the beating that Randy Couture gave Vitor Belfort in their rubber match. Alves is much larger and his take down defense has improved dramatically since 2006, but I think either fighter stands a chance at winning dramatically enough to earn a second bite at GSP.

As for Thiago, I think he'll get the winner of Josh Koscheck vs Paul Daley and the winner of that will be next in line. And if he game plans for that fight as well as he did against Swick, he has an excellent chance of getting that title shot. Here's more from Tatame about that fight and how he beat the AKA fighter:

What did you expect for this fight?

We knew he's aggressive, so we trained a lot to catch him coming. And it worked. He hit me one, I gave two steps back and he thought I had felt the punch and came, but I hit him twice and he fell on triangle position, so it was easier.

Thiago's days as a fluke are over. It's time to take him seriously in the UFC welterweight division.

-- photo via ufc.com

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You mean against Dan Hardy, right?

by Boco_T on Feb 23, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Internally they are looking at the Koscheck-Daley winner for the title shot.

by Michael Rome on Feb 23, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

yes

Everyone seems to forget about that Koscheck -Daley fight, that’s for number one contender.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Thiago fights the winner of Fitch-Alves for the next number one contender (after Koscheck-Daley)

by Brian Hemminger on Feb 23, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Thats exactly what I was thinking too. Both Koscheck and Daley haven’t had a title shot, and when Kos lost to GSP was longer ago than either Fitch or Alves, plus he put up a better fight than either of those guys too. Not to mention he has had better more exciting wins in the interim as well. I don’t see how Alves could earn another shot one fight removed from his title shot. I also find Fitch to be about a million times less marketable than Thiago when it comes to a tile shot. One guy finishes top fighters in devastating fashion, the other squeeks out boring top control battles.

by IWillPartyHard on Feb 23, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it all depends on how both fights play out.

If the Fitch/Alves is has a nice finish and Kos wins, I could see kos/thiago while fitch/alves gets the title shot.

This is pretty good though, no matter how the 3 matchups end up they’ll be able to come up with some good stuff.

by Phildo on Feb 23, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If Alves wins, can you really justify giving him another title shot? That will be his first win since his title shot. I can’t. If Fitch beats Alves in devastating fashion is the only way I see him getting the next shot instead of the Kos-Daley winner. I don’t think Alves has a chance of getting the next title shot, unless GSP gets injured and they have time for him to take a Thiago or Daley fight in the interim.

by IWillPartyHard on Feb 23, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s only his first win, but he’s #3 in the division, and if he beats #2 impressively, that’s a good argument for a title shot in my book.

It depends on how it all plays out, they will have to try to fuck up this situation.

by Phildo on Feb 23, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure if Koscheck wins they give him a title shot. Not only is he good, he is probably the most marketable WW they have next to GSP.

by John Nash on Feb 23, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure it’ll be the winner of this. Kos already lost to GSP, but he hasn’t fought a title fight against him, and Daley, well, he’s new blood.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Feb 23, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I was hoping to see Thiago fight Matt Serra but Serra’s taking some time off.

by MMAEruption on Feb 23, 2010 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Serra?

I like him and everything, but after fighting Volkmann and three AKA guys that would be a step down in competition IMO.

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Feb 23, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

But it might be a big name that he could tool in impressive fashion…

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Feb 24, 2010 3:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Paulo Thiago vs. Kos/Daley winner is the proper way to go. Or, if they wanna give the Koscheck/Daley winner a title shot, I’d say give Paulo a match against Alves if he wins against Fitch. Damn, a fight with Karo Parisyan would be so clutch right now if… you know.. Karo hadn’t fucked up so much

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by Anthony Pace on Feb 23, 2010 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

If Daley beats Kos I think he should get the next shot. If Kos wins then have him rematch P. Thiago with the winner getting a shot.

by Niles on Feb 23, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

Just skip that last part, GSP hasn’t fought in forever, lets keep him busy. Unless he gets injured in the Hardy fight, giving him the Kos-Daley winner right away makes the most sense. Otherwise he will be inactive another 6 months while we wait for the results of the Kos-Daley winner against Thiago. Thiago says he needs more time, Kos said he’s ready for a title shot a long time ago. So let Thiago get the winner of Fitch-Alves.

by IWillPartyHard on Feb 23, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If Daley loses to Kos then GSP should just move up to middleweight and be done with it.

by Niles on Feb 23, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

If funny how things work themselves out

Not too long ago, Paulo Thiago was not even in talks of Title contention, and one fight later, he is. The same goes for George Sotiropolous in Lightweight and Chael Sonnen in Middleweight. It just goes to show that even when a division looks to be cleaned out, some fighter or fighters will always step up to the challenge. I would like to see Paulo Thiago get one more good fight in there before a Title shot, and there are actually many fighters that he can fight like the winner of Koscheck vs Daley, Martin Kampmann, the winner of Saunders vs Ellenberger, Diego Sanchez if he beats Hathaway, and the winner of Almeida vs Brown among others.

by chrisbboy82 on Feb 23, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

*It’s funny how things work themselves out.

by chrisbboy82 on Feb 23, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but like I said, at least there is one fighter in each of those divisions that is stepping up. I mean, none of these fighters in those divisions are BJ Penn, GSP, or Anderson Silva level, but they are nonetheless stepping up in the ranks.

by chrisbboy82 on Feb 23, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The divisions aren't shallow

It’s just that 4 out 5 have dominant champions, and when they destroy challengers it can make it hard to come up with new contenders.

by Mocha Shaka Khan on Feb 23, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Paulo Thiago is a top 10 fighter

who nearly subbed the consensus #2 WW in a competitive fight, KO’d a top 10 (now #4) WW in his UFC debut, and most recently subbed the consensus #6 WW after a beastly knockdown.

Paul Daley stepped up to fight Kampmann on short notice when the bout was previously for #1 contendership and KTFO him. Then KTFO’d Hazelett. If he beats Koscheck, he’s streaking through a top 15, 10, and 5 WW, with a 5 fight win streak total.

Josh Koscheck gave GSP a decent fight before in a non-title affair. He’s now improved his striking, on a win streak, the best credentialed wrestler in the division, and has conditioning to compete.

That’s three pretty legit contenders…

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by pdl on Feb 23, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't remember him "nearly subbing" Fitch

He had a hold but Fitch never looked in trouble to me.

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Feb 23, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

If anything it’s an illustration of how deep the divisions are.

by Worldisart on Feb 23, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Please one more fight for Thiago before title contention

I’m completely on-board with Paulo since he beat Kos. His dismantling of Swick means he’s serious as a contender, but I think he needs 1 more fight and win before taking on the GSP mountain.

Winner of Kos/Daley seems very appropriate and if he wins that then title contention. It works well with the general schedule of WW fights too.

Winner of Fitch/Alves would be the better test, but it may not work with the WW schedule. Perhaps if GSP wants an exhibition match at MW after the hardy fight.

by Cocytus on Feb 23, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

I think the UFC would prefer if Daley beat Koscheck, so they could throw Daley in as the next title contender to GSP.

If Alves beats Fitch, and Kos beats Daley, then things get tougher for the UFC in determining who gets the next crack.

by Hardcharger on Feb 23, 2010 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Even if Alves beast Fitch or vice versa, I’m sure it’ll be Kos or Daley getting the shot. Kos has improved a lot since his loss to post-Serra GSP, and if Daley can beat him, it’ll be huge. Alves just lost, and Fitch has looked no better than he did against GSP the first time. Personally, I’d like to see GSP fight Kos or Daley instead of the other two.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Feb 23, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d agree with you, but I’d have to give Fitch the shot if he wins and if Kos wins.

That would mean that Fitch had won 4 straight since losing to GSP, and beat Alves and Thiago during that stretch, 2 guys who beat Kos (and beat him handily). Hard to deny him the shot, even if I don’t think he matches up well with GSP.

If Alves wins (and I think he will), he’s the clear #2 WW in the world, but it’s far too soon for him to have a rematch, so the UFC has to find someone else.

Daley beating Kos is the UFC’s best outcome, as it’s a new opponent, and another one who will talk trash and hype the fight with a huge UFC PPV draw in GSP.

by Hardcharger on Feb 23, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. If Fitch beats Alves, he would deserve the shot the most, but we all know deserving and getting are two different things when it comes to title shots :)

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Feb 23, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

My only problem with Fitch/Alves as #1 contender is that Alves hasn’t had a fight since losing to GSP and Fitch looked like dog shit against Mike Pierce.

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 23, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

I like Fitch

but doesn’t he look like that against everyone?

by Riney on Feb 23, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm more interested in the Kos/Daley winner

If Kos wins as expected, he presents an awesome matchup for GSP, and if Daley upsets Kos, he will have demonstrated that he’s capable of hanging with a top-tier wrestler.

Both guys have more charisma than Thiago and will be happy to play the heel in that fight.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Monte Fisto on Feb 23, 2010 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

“if Daley upsets Kos, he will have demonstrated that he’s capable of hanging with a top-tier wrestler.”

After the way Shields handled him in EliteXC I’m curious to see if he’s stepped up that area of his game.

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Feb 23, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

me too

I will be rooting hard for Daley, who has one of the cleanest, nastiest left hooks in the game, but I have a hard time seeing Kos getting suckered into trading with him. We’ll see if he’s been able to put together some takedown defense.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Monte Fisto on Feb 23, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

the only problem with that theory is that GSPS wrestling and takedowns are on a much higher level than KOS. When he fought alves he dint come close to taking him down, meanwhile, fighting on one leg half the time, gsp took alves down at least 10 times.

by dat on Feb 24, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

In a somewhat related note, things would be much more exciting if BJ, GSP and A. Silva all moved up a weight class.

by Niles on Feb 23, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

no shit

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by CC11 on Feb 23, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

As dominant as they all are, I don’t see BJ faring as well if he moved up as the other two probably would. I think Koscheck, Alves, and maybe a couple others would give him the shits…and I say this with BJ being my favorite out of the three.

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by slapjaw ackrite on Feb 23, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I think if BJ was

smart and slowly built lean muscle like GSP is, he would be fine. His problems of the past have been with not cutting to make the higher weights. He literally just ate more and trained less.

by Riney on Feb 23, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No need to rush this fight. I think he needs at least 2 more wins to warrant a title shot. Let him go on a 4-5 winning streak … in the end it will be for a better fight. I have no problem seeing gsp fighting Kos or Fitch again. Would be interesting to see how the rematches would go. I think Alves has the best chance of all the fighters who would potentially rematch gsp but i think only one fight removed from ufc 100 is a bit to soon. Maybe if Alves wins over Fitch you have a Paul Thiago vs Alves for the #1 contender.

by logan00 on Feb 23, 2010 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

Who gets calmer to annul the game of the other, takes it.

great quote

by woooburn on Feb 23, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

I want Alves vs. Daley more than other fight in the UFC’s welterweight division – could be a standup war for the ages.

by MMAEruption on Feb 23, 2010 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

His Days As A Fluke Are Over???

I know I’m not the only person that thinks Thiago’s victory over Koscheck was a fluke.

"There's nothing cool about taking punishment" - Floyd Mayweather Jr.

by VeeisAnimated on Feb 23, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

What he’s saying is that it no longer looks like Thiago is merely a fluke. He’s a major talent, not a guy who landed one lucky punch.

by JRN on Feb 23, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

oops . . . I meant to say that his victory over Koscheck was not a fluke. He had Koscheck timed well. - whatever too many errors. Dropping Koscheck is not difficult.

"There's nothing cool about taking punishment" - Floyd Mayweather Jr.

by VeeisAnimated on Feb 24, 2010 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

This is not really relevant, but...

Am I crazy for being under the impression that Kos is the last person to have won a round against GSP?

by stingrza on Feb 23, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

He won Rd 1 of their fight on one judges scorecard, at least, although I’m not sure how scoring it that way could be justified.

GSP was obviously stopped 2x in the UFC. Once by Hughes in Rd 1, in a round GSP was arguably winning. The other by Serra, in a round Serra controlled. Other than that, guys just don’t win rounds against GSP. Heck, amongst the last 3 contenders to GSP (Fitch, Penn, Alves), GSP as an abundance of 10-8 rounds in addition to not losing any of those 14 rounds. Pretty amazing given the level of those 3 opponents.

by Hardcharger on Feb 23, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Thiago just get sat on for three rounds by Jon Fitch?

If he can’t threaten Jon Fitch, what kind of threat could he possibly pose to GSP?

by sacterre on Feb 23, 2010 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

Just want to point out that apparently GSP has already caused the first in-ring UFC death

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by Anthony Pace on Feb 23, 2010 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

wouldnt that be conspiracy to commit murder?

On account of Jackson applying the grease. That sir is a tainted W. BJ is twice the fighter gsp is. He got robbed the first time they fought. Lost the second fight. They are 1 & 1 in my mind and many others.

by Raycetpfl on Feb 23, 2010 5:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Jackson didn’t apply anything.

FAIL

In thousands of people’s minds, Jim Jones was a prophet. You’d have fit in well in his colony.

by Hardcharger on Feb 23, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

not so much

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Did-GSP-s-corner-cheat-to-give-him-an-edge-?urn=mma,138156 sorry phil nurse applied while Jackson supervised. Still sat there and did nothing while it was done. Epic fail as a head trainer! Unless you were OK with the cheating. Which he was. So previous statement stands. Part of the conspiracy.

by Raycetpfl on Feb 23, 2010 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL at you. Another FAIL of a post title.

It wasn’t Jackson, as you claim. If you want to accuse people, having a minimal level of facts may prevent you from embarrassing yourself in the future.

BTW, the NSAC determined no cheating occurred. BJ quit, and GSP is 2-0 against Penn.

by Hardcharger on Feb 24, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Get out.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Feb 24, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

You're forgetting

That Paulo Thiago does that whole special ops thing, which is extremely marketable. That vid they assembled before his last fight was wicked.

by superflat on Feb 23, 2010 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Frankly the video they assembled before his last fight was totally contrived. Following him around on training missions doing things he probably doesn’t do often, if at all, in real life.

Trust me. I was on a Submarine. Sounds cool right? Yeah. Basically you jerk off and talk shit; a lot.

So, anyways, just saying, view with discretion… but don’t believe it all. I highly doubt Thiago went back to work on Monday tossing hand grenades at drug dealers and parachuting out of spaceships.

by Postpubescent on Feb 23, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

wait…people are parachuting out of spaceships? that was supposed to be classified information.

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 23, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

ummm, I’ll have you know sir that I saw a commercial innforming me what it’s like in the military and it had some guy on a freaky hanglider after he had jumped out of a plane, wearing some kind of special high-tech infra-red goggles. Turns out they were rescuing a guy, they were waving around wicked machine guns.

by Dooda on Feb 23, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s already stated that he’s on modified duty because his commanders are fine with him moonlighting in pro MMA.

by Chortles on Feb 23, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

All you do is jerk off and talk shit? Where do I sign?

by dreamers_12345 on Feb 24, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Even if I hadn't done time in the Navy

I’d think Submarine duty was the least appealing job. I mean, months spent cramped underwater doesn’t sound cool, no matter how many torpedoes you get to fire off.

by black dragon on Feb 24, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he'll be rushed

Even with a nice win over Koscheck, I think he’s still a couple of fights away from title contention, especially with the winners of Kos/Daley and/or Alves/Fitch knocking on the door of a title shot.

by Hardcase on Feb 23, 2010 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

If Paulo couldnt get past fitch’s wrestling, he sure as hell wont get past GSP’s. That said, I see him being 2 wins away from a shot, ready or not.

by brooksto on Feb 23, 2010 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

Paulo Thiago / Daley/Koscheck winner / Alves/Fitch winner

I wont complain whoever gets the next shot for the title. These are legitimate contenders in my eyes. I like GSPs current crop of contenders.

GSP should just move up to MW. The WW title picture is much more exciting w/o him. Can’t complain though, we still get to see them fight it out to get a shot at the almighty St. Pierre.

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by vivero on Feb 23, 2010 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

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