Rumors About Fedor Emelianenko Fighting Alistair Overeem Mounting As Strikeforce Does Nothing to Clarify
by Kid Nate on Feb 22, 2010 8:03 PM EST
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From Fight Opinion:
One report states that Strikeforce will run an event in Nashville, Tennessee on 4/17 with Jake Shields vs. Dan Henderson as the main event, along with Bobby Lashley (and Herschel Walker?) on the fight card. Fedor is not expected to appear at the event.
Henderson vs. Shields should be fine and I don't see how Fedor on the fight card would have been a huge plus. Sure, it would be nice to see him fight Alistair Overeem, but I've always counted on that fight happening in DREAM because of the amount of money that K-1 could put up to make that fight happen. A suggestion perhaps - have the fight happen in Japan on the same day as a Strikeforce CBS event and just air the taped fight on the CBS telecast that same day.
From HeadKickLegend:
The fight that every fan has been calling for of late has been Alistair Overeem vs. Fedor Emelianenko, be it in the Japanese ring under the DREAM banner, or in the United States under the Strikeforce banner. The initial reports of the April Strikeforce card was it being headlined by Fedor vs. Fabricio Werdum, which has seemingly fallen through. Insiders have mentioned the amount of money involved in booking Emelianenko, including a seemingly uneven "co-promotion" with M-1 Global.
What we know so far about future plans for DREAM and Alistair Overeem is that Tanigawa has mentioned that Alistair Overeem will fight for the vacant DREAM Heavyweight title during the first half of 2010, and Overeem mentioned fighting for FEG in March or so, fulfilling his contract with K-1. FEG is never afraid to put a lot of money on the table when it comes to big fights, with Alistair Overeem the biggest name in heavyweight MMA in Japan right now and Emelianenko making a name for himself in the United States over the past few years. K-1 offered Emelianenko a contract worth well over a million dollars when his contract with PRIDE was up a few years ago. Emelianenko's stock has risen over the past few years, with international success, but with Fedor's recent fight contracts looking at around $2.3 million when all is said and done ($300,000 to Fedor, $1mil to M-1 co-promotion, $1mil to Vadim for 'consulting'), this fight could come at a steep price.
Again, the point isn't really the content of these rumors. It's that they're swirling around out there and Strikeforce is saying nothing on the record to debunk them. That's failing PR 101.
One well known MMA reporter I spoke with today said, "it's like (Strikeforce) dropped off the planet."
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Say what you will about how the UFC is run
But this is ridiculous.
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
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A business caring about profit….. SHOCKING!
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 22, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he was being sarcastic.
by ChiCubs23 on Feb 22, 2010 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly. If anything, this is the argument for exclusive non-copromotional contracts. Strikeforce is going to lose their top matchup. And aren’t saying a word? What the fuck are they thinking?
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
Who wouldn’t rather see AO/Fedor in DREAM? I hope it’s true, personally..
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Breaking up your big talent over a couple of CBS cards makes more sense. They could knock them out quicker than every 6/7 months.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 22, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
It's a matter of AO/Fedor HAPPENING
What makes you think it’ll ever happen here?
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Fedor vs. Werdum got dismissed by 95% of MMA fans the moment it was announced.
They don’t want a fight nobody is interested in. AO/Fedor is something people want.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 22, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
They’ve been trying to get AO over here for a while now. He’s eyeing late Summer for a Fedor fight and it’s tough to believe given the last couple of years. You do it in DREAM, you do it whenever FEG wants.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I'd rather see AO/Fedor
But its not like I wouldn’t watch Fedor/Werdum. I just want some Fedor.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Let me add. You let Hendo and Shields carry the April card. AO get free and you set up the Fedor fight for late summer. It’s a quick turn around for them on CBS.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 22, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Problem I think is that Shields/Hendo isn’t a strong enough main event to carry the card. CBS is a ratings game and I don’t think that garners any interest.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s say Fedor hurts his hand again. AO/Fedor could be pushed to the fall.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 22, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
These networks don’t give you second chances though. If your ratings are terrible, they could basically walk away. They do it with sitcoms all the time and wouldn’t think twice if Hendo/Shields as an event fails to do a 6.5 neilson rating.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Returning to my original point--
I don’t want to watch it in the Fall— I want to watch it by mid-Summer.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Breaking up your big talent over a couple of CBS cards makes more sense. They could knock them out quicker than every 6/7 months.
That presumes CBS is interested in more than two or three cards per year. I have seen nothing to indicate that is the case.
exactly…unless you have massive ratings all the time they aren’t renewing or giving you extra chances.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I really think that’s the perfect venue for it. Its a fight that would fit a Japanese card better really. Throw Aoki on that card somewhere and I’d definitely stay up for it.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Oh, for sure
I stay up for the worst Japanese cards imaginable— I’d be up drinking for this one.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
oh I’m not saying that, but if you’re strikeforce and you lose this fight? the entire thing was a waste.
Co-promotion only works if everyone gains…but CBS won’t get to air this fight if it happens in Japan and Strikeforce loses its biggest sell.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
I know
I was saying it.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
It’s not a contract problem… it’s a strategic problem.
Strikeforce is forced to sign stupid contracts with fighters and Networks (showtime and CBS) because they strategically decided to step up to the UFC. They have to sign open contracts to sign guys and give guys like Lashley cans… otherwise not a single one of these guys would sign with strikeforce.
The argument is they should not have… however they were facing a fork in the road… and they saw it with a guy like cung le. Their choice was to either accept reality and be part of the farm league or step up and create a model where hopefully they can generate enough revenue to keep fighters like that… they decided to step up.
Unfortunately they dont know what they dont know and there pipe dream is gonna end like every other one of these pipe dreams end… Dan Henderson is the new Tim Sylvia, he just doesn’t know it yet.
Part of me wants everything to go smoothly… with M1, CBS, showtime, etc… just so everyone can see 2 years from now they are still nowhere and people realize this game is like running in quick sand against Zuffa. Instead people are gonna blame M1, CBS or showtime… when in fact what they are trying to do is just a strategic improbability.
by mmalogic on Feb 22, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
It’s not so much strategic improbability, it’s that instead of growing at a healthy pace as they were and turning a yearly profit, they decided to try and directly compete and signed a bunch of garbage deals with a lot of people who have their own interests in mind. M-1 wants what’s best for M-1, CBS/Showtime need ratings in order to justify timeslots. And Hendo/Shields doesn’t garner the ratings to justify that slot.
There can be competition for the UFC if you take your time but when you take on investors, they want immediate results.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the thing… at a healthy pace they wouldnt be able to hold onto guys like Cung Le (when he beat Frank). There will always be a space in this industry for organizations like strikeforce but there is no pace where anybody can compete with Zuffa successfully.
Yes, if they didnt muck up their position and/or if Zuffa tripped up big time at worst somebody with money would have come along with some real capital and look at strikeforce as an asset worth purchasing to take the boys on… but with the contracts they have that is highly unlikely.
Strikeforce isnt worth shit. Bellator is now the defacto #2 asset outside of Zuffa in this space.
by mmalogic on Feb 22, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Bellator is run like the military compared to Strikeforce.
At least that’s the perception they give.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 22, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your opinion of Bellator if only because they know how to play the PR game. They aren’t the defacto #2 though. At this point I don’t think there is a #2 inside the United States. Strikeforce is dying a slow death and Bellator needs to have more cards for me to crown them #2.
It’s not so much the fight contracts though. They essentially gave up everything to get on CBS/Showtime.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I know what you mean, what I’m saying is that there isn’t a number two. Bellator and WEC are equally as popular and Strikeforce just doesn’t know how to run a business. At this point everyone else should give up and let the UFC be what it is, the sole professional MMA company for the best to fight the best. Be happy as a minor league as at least you’ll have an influx of washouts and the local markets are big enough to stay afloat.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, agreed, Deo Wade.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 22, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
gotta agree with you on that. hopefully the idea of open contracts has been shown to be as terrible an idea as it is. i want in my heart to be for it…but the freedom and quagmires it can cause is just hellacious.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Feb 24, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Nashville MMA has on his twitter that it will be at the Sommet (soon to be Bridgestone Center) on 4/17. He’s sticking to his story so he must have some sources that he trusts.
Tomorrow people should (i will, but a journalist type person would be nice) call the box office there and see what they say. I’m still not going to read too much into anything though, because the Prudential Box Office told me there was going to be Strikeforce in Newark in October, but it would be nice info.
Also, Nashville MMA says he was on the local fox station talking about this, and it going on tapout radio to say something also, so he’s making a big stink, someone from Strikeforce should say something.
Hm
I’m confused about their media relations over the last week. Coker himself is normally very receptive to inquiries. This is unusual.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
These are literally the exact same rumours from before, just re-scraped and regurgitated by different people. There is nothing new, and nothing credible that warrants a comment from Strikeforce. If there was anything to them, I’m sure an accountable outlet like Sherdog or MMAWeekly would have a story.
by smoogy2 on Feb 22, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hes not confirming...
He just said that the venue is changing. Said his sources got a confirmation from SF an Sunday, though, no one can confirm his confirmation. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 22, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 22, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t know I think it would be nice if Strikeforce would make some kind of comment as this is getting pretty crazy and it is getting pretty tight on time for them to do an April show. Heck even an official “no that’s not correct, we will be making an announcement in a couple of days” would be a wonderful PR move at this point. Saying nothing gains them nothing and just adds to all the confusion about their show.
Dana White again hinted this Saturday in Australia, that he's talking to M1 about bringing Fedor over to the UFC.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 22, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions
Link?
Hadn’t heard any of that.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
This^
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 22, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
UFC 110 Q&A @ UFC.Com.
I don’t remember the time in the video.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 22, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
That might have been the Fight Club Q & A...
And I only heard about Mousasi
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
This. I just watched it and he said it in that Q&A.
Here is direct link to it:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=VideoPlayer.home&gid=78724
I don’t remember the exact time either but the whole Q & A is interesting.
Just BE.
Vadim gets 3X his fighter's take?
Wow, that’s just all kinds of wrong.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Not really
So is Vadim, and his take outside of M1’s is 1 mill to Fedor’s 300k.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
but people on the internet always tell me that it’s ok, I think i’m siding with the internet on this one, sorry blackout.
Ah
Yes, then it’s okay. Vadim buys Fedor all the complimentary ice cream he wants, and Subway gives him bread for free as long as he says it’s for a duck.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 22, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mitch Hedberg reference
very niceeee
Fan of Tiger 'Makin It Rain' Woods
by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Feb 22, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You win
Was waiting for someone to catch that. +5 Blackout Points fer you.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Mitch Hedberg
Bleh. I had a dream once that he was narrating my life
“Anthony’s waking up and pouring a cup of coffee. But what if the coffee woke up and poured a cup of Anthony?”
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 22, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you're kidding
That was absolutely nothing like a Mitch Hedburg joke.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
\/ look down \/
the site fuckin up rite now
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 22, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I find most of his jokes cheap wit that ain’t funny, so yeah, I think it was like a Mitch Hedburg joke
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 22, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
It clearly isn't
And you clearly haven’t heard much of his material, because that’s nothing close to anything he would have said.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 22, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, I’ve seen like all the stuff on youtube cuz my meathead roommates love that shit. There was one thing he did on like Letterman or Leno that actually gave me a headache
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 22, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Right on
Enjoy Dane Cook or whatever it is you find enjoyable.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 22, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Dane Cook blows
He steals jokes from good comedians like Louis CK. Everyone seems to need some gimmick to get over, like Zack Galafanakis playing the piano.
I miss George Carlin…
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 22, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Comedy is in a bad state
was my point, don’t know why I didn’t type that
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 22, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
That’s weird. I’ve always loved Louis CK and Mitch Hedberg, while I don’t think I’ve ever laughed at a single thing that George Carlin ever said. He and Lewis Black are the two comedians whose fame continues to baffle me.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Feb 22, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Not a Lewis Black fan
With Rodney Dangerfield gone and Dave Chappelle on hiatus, it’s slim pickins for me
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 22, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I do like Carlin
More for being so clever than for making me crack the fuck up, though. Absolutely love Louis CK and hate Dane Cook and his awful, awful no-punch diatribes. Not a big Louis Black fan. And Hedburg is right up there with Bill Hicks for me as my favorite comedian of all time. I saw Mitch’s last show in Minneapolis before he died. Saying he’s not funny is like saying Seinfeld isn’t funny, or The 40 Year Old Virgin wasn’t funny. If you don’t laugh at any one of those things, you’re simply trying hard not to.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 22, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Seinfeld
http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/6/9/633801847724396865-FlameShield-t2.jpg
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 22, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 22, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I don’t care for Seinfeld either. But I love Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Carlin and Pryor are the first two that go on my Mount Rushmore of standups.
You two have got problems
I’d like to say “to each their own”, but I don’t totally believe that in this case. Y’all don’t know comedy..
Though, yes, Curb is great.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 22, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
This coming from a man who has never said anything remotely funny
I think it’s Seinfeld delivery for me. On paper his material is funny, but there is too much “performance” in the way he delivers everything.
Quality assessment, internet text block
It’s a television sitcom, not an Academy nominee.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 22, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Curb is far better
It’s just that Seinfeld is a one-trick pony to me. He just complains about things in a loud, obnoxious voice, like a Jewish Chris Rock
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 23, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Larry David does the same thing, but I don’t mind it as much… weird
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 23, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Dmitri Martin
Is a great current comic. Especially if you don’t like traditional ‘over the top’ stand-up like Carlin etc.
Also, Ricky Gervais is suprisingly funny with his standup if you haven’t seen any of his shows.
Adam Hills is a great Australian comedian if you feel like checking him out. Dylan Moran is another current honourable mention (Although there are alot of funny Irish comedians on the scene)
Haven’t been to the comedy festival in a couple of years so not totally up to date with my comics anymore. I also like Arj Barker (but I think his appeal is because I am not American)
How is that like Goulet? That dude goes out cold in a drafty room - Blackout612
by Well Read Idiot on Feb 23, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Dmitri Martin is okay, I’ve seen his important things show. Also, can’t believe I didn’t mention Ricky Gervais.
My thing right now is sort of “Ghetto Comedy” like Katt Williams and Lavell Crawford. I like the absurdity of it, and I know exactly what they’re talking about
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 23, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Fedor gets paid by M-1 and Vadim as well
300k is the take from the promoter, it is unclear how much Fedor is truly paid. Vadim still probably makes more.
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I spoke to Strikeforce on Sunday to ask. They said everything being reported is just “rumors”. Though, I hear they will make an announcement soon for their 4/17 show. Most likely this week to promote during their 2/26 Challengers show.
Also spoke to Nahsville MMA, and he is sticking to his guns, and says it will be in Nashville on 4/17 at the newly announced Bridgestone Center. He says, SF can’t officially confirm anything yet because they need a few mot things officially signed…
LOL.com
Nobody in the MMA media can get a hold of a Strikeforce rep, but you spoke to them.
Nice to see you again.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Amazing what one can accomplish, huh? People can get in contact with them, just nothing to confirm other than nothing is confirmed…LOL.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 22, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah
I also remember why I don’t post on BE as much… I am going to regret it now…LOL.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 22, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Probably because those types of suggestions are dubious. You have to know that it’s going to be met with resistance. I’m personally familiar with many MMA personalities in Minneapolis/St Paul and I don’t name drop conversations with them because it’s “picz or ur a fatty” territory.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Just watch..heard an announcement is happening “soon”. By end of the week is plan…
Oh, and MMA_Nashville sounds pretty serious about what he’s saying, so wouldn’t be surprised if SF is just waiting to cross the t’s.
Coker was in New York last week finalizing everything with CBS. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 22, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Just watch what?
Your comment was the daily horoscope of MMA news. They’re going to make an announcement soon about an April show we already know they’re putting on? I’m tingling all over!
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
It's all good
You should post more often. I was wondering where the hell you went..
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
cosigned, while you may not be impartial, you’re a helluva lot better than the trolls that have been showing up.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Understatement of the year! The sooner those trolls go away, the better (as I say from my lofty lurker perch).
Don’t leave us.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
God, I’ll actually rec this. Supremacy, I’ve called you names and mocked your predictions in the past, but you do know MMA and as near as I can tell you don’t dribble when you smile. Welcome back.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
I’ll hop on that train, too
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 23, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
since there was some confusion last time this happened, are they going to announce a show on 4/17 soon, or are they going to announce “a show” soon.
Respond A for “a show on April the seventeenth two thousand and ten”
or B for “a show”
Well, considering that the Super Six Tournament fights are being moved from 4/17 to 4/24 and many fighters like Erin Toughill (who is trying to get on the card and possibly fight Cyborg), one would tend to think that the event is happening on 4/17.
Thea reason? Because HBO is putting on a hell of a boxing double header on HBO on 4/17 and Showtime wasn’t too thrilled about it so they moved the fights back a week.
WEC PPV will go against Super Six (Frock vs Kessler, Ward vs Green) and HBO Boxing (Arreola vs Adamek) on 4/24. Strikeforce on CBS on 4/17 will go up against HBO’s Kelly Pavlik vs Sergio Martinez & Bute vs Miranda.
That is how it is all lined up at the moment.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 22, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Just read this from Gross:
“Strikeforce is considering Calif. for April 24 card, according to CSAC’s George Dodd …
It just means WEC’s PPV (Aldo-Faber) and Strikforce’s CBS card could be in Calif. the same day."
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 22, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Two major shows running in NorCal on the same day?
It will be interesting to see if they will both be able to pack their respective venues.
Which show? Strikeforce or WEC?
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
If Strikeforce is just going to let rumors swirl
Let’s just keep it going. Hershel Walker vs Dan Quinn on CBS. A freak athlete vs Maitreya player.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Feb 22, 2010 6:58 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
STEVVVVVVVVVVIAAAAAAA!!!!!
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
*starts chant
WE WANT FEYDOOR! WE WANT FEYDOOR!
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The japanese are too smart to make this fight...
Why push your biggest peach under the bus before you’ve been able to fully juice it?
peach = fedor
bus = alistair
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Good point. I think Megareem has a good 30% more room for expansion.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
yeah...
These are probably the top two in the weight class — they should build this up a little more. It’s like a porno that begins (and ends) with the money shot.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
No, I mean Megareem hasn’t stopped growing yet! Let the little fella fill in a bit!
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
How does that dude not test positive? He’s been putting on 15 pounds a month for 3 years.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
By not getting tested.
I’m morbidly curious how far this Megareem expansion program keeps going. I thing another 18 months until he explodes like a veiny balloon.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
I’m seriously surprised that the WWE hasn’t contacted him.
twitter.com/thisredengine
by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Dammit, yeah you’re right. But do they test for horsemeat?
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
It would be hard to rank overeem very high because he hasn’t really fought anybody. At the same time, he only has one mma loss since he’s been roiding and that was against a very game Sergei Kharitonov nearly 3 years ago. Prior to that, he lost against Shogun Rua — he was a middle weight then, he weighs 265 now!
On the same token, who has Fedor beat to prove he’s #1?
Just sayin’ that this is a dangerous fight for Fedor — Strikeforce could profit by throwing him some cans. After all, that’s why Fedor didn’t join the UFC — he didn’t want his first fight to be a loss.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Between those too... they are the top 1 in the weight class
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
Man...
I had faith in Strikeforce. I thought they were pulling things together and ready to roll with the big dogs. Apparently not.
Lamesauce.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
So the fight for the Strikeforce HW title could take place in Japan in a Dream ring?
I <3 co-promotion.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
I wish I had HDnet
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Comcast refuses to pick up HDnet
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
I think it would be for the DREAM title.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
They're just stalling to sign epic beard man
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Feb 22, 2010 7:07 PM EST reply actions
put Beard Man on TUF
he will do better than Kimbo.
Here's the bus fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB95LJ_htbQ&feature=player_embedded
Rogan referenced the video during 110 with “ambalamps.”
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Feb 22, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
The funniest part was when he was talking about beating up his friend for taking his cocain.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 22, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
jake shields vs dan henderson headlining a cbs card would pull shit numbers
hendos not a draw neither is sheilds, herschel walker being on the card will only draw so many views and bobbys lashleys not as well known as everyone thinks or wants him to be
this card will tank they need fedor, with fedor they can draw casual fans by having the best heavyweight in history plus all the foreign viewers and interest that come along with him
cbs obviously isnt that sold on SFs ability to pull viewers (they dont even refer to SF its saturday night fights), and the impression i got from the last cbs card is they pulled lower numbers than expected, otherwise they’d have a few more than a show every 6 months and one bad card could put an end to this
Does Fedor add that much interms of ratings? What's the difference? 1 million or 500k viewers.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 22, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
The good thing about all this contreversy is the real possibility that Fedor reconsiders a UFC run.
M-1 has already lost their #2 stud (Mousasi), likely due to lack of actual promotion. Fedor does own stake in that company but this April card fiasco is feeling like more bull shit. Does he care about fighting or this M – 1 garbage? I would hope the former.
I’m not against other promotions, but as a fan, I just want to see the best fighters compete.
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin
no way!!
“a seemingly uneven “co-promotion” with M-1 Global"
by cagefightonacid on Feb 22, 2010 8:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
All of these “articles” about StrikeForce not doing what they’re supposed to in order to promote the show, and debunk rumors are garbage. It seems to me someone isn’t getting fed enough information for their blog, so their trying to stir shit up to get a response.
Fight Opinion and Headkick?
You can go over to their site and flame them if you like.
because they don't respond to rumors
the rumors are true?
good for Fedor that he’s getting paid.
I’m for people making a profit, and those crying outrage that Vadim or M1 makes money off Fedor: try comparing Dana’s salary to the UFC payroll, and decide who’s really “greedy” here.
Fighting = big business
Because they don’t respond to rumors, it makes them look like a Mickey Mouse organization. They could very easily quash all these rumors by having a simple press release, instead they have chosen to stay silent.
And if you don’t understand the difference between Dana’s role with the UFC and all those fighters and Vadim’s role with M-1 and Fedor’s career, I can’t really help you.
Because they don’t respond to rumors people believe there may be something too them and Strikeforce looks like they don’t know what they are doing. Smart PR people control the narrative about their product as much as possible.
by who me on Feb 22, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m for people making a profit, and those crying outrage that Vadim or M1 makes money off Fedor: try comparing Dana’s salary to the UFC payroll, and decide who’s really "greedy" here.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read on this thread, hands down. If you can’t see what’s wrong with Vadim making 3x more money than Fedor, then there’s no hope for you. Even as a fan, I don’t see how you can justify saying that sort of thing is okay. How about this: How about you do all the work, taking all the risks, and I “manage” you, and I get 3x more money than you. Sound good? Cause after all, you’re still “getting paid.”
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
Meanwhile
While these idiots try to put together an event Fedor gets another year older. At this pace how many more fights can we expect Fedor to be a top tear Heavy Weight?
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
Fedor in UFC
Within the next 6 months I expect mosassi in the UFC and Fedor to be within the next 12 months.
That would be awesome
I watched hat Q&A last night and it gave me hope. Like others have said at least the UFC would find him work.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
The good news is no matter what happens Werdum wont know about it until April 17th.
by mmalogic on Feb 23, 2010 12:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Last 6 months
The last 6 months were basically handed to Strikeforce on a platter. UFC lost the biggest free agent in Dan then were hit with a string of injuries which results in headline fights like Randy vs Vera. Yet it appears like strikeforce were unable to capitalise on that.
If by lost you mean sent packing because they refused to overpay for him, basically even with all the injuries and any big signings SF had they were never in any position to compete with Zuffa. Now it’s just a matter of how badly things will blow up in their faces, i’m actually getting a laugh of seeing yet another mma company fall on their face when will they learn.
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