George Sotiropoulos is basically wearing pants says Haole on the UG:
"He just so happen to have injuries to both knees and both ankles?"
"I have no issue with it at all - but between the giant knee and ankle braces and long tights under his shorts - the dude is essentially wearing pants in the octagon - less than 20% of his lower body is not covered in neoprene."
"Pants are cool, they should be legal, Aoki pants or Gi pants - its just funny that he just comically skirts the rule against 'pants'. I can see an opponent questioning his attire if they wanted to."
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lol
It’s funny I made the suggestion that guys wear these braces over a year ago….using Sotiropoulos as an example…no idea why more fighters don’t use them.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Feb 21, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, never really noticed that.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Rogan also mentioned it on a few of his earlier fights.
that it wasn’t for injuries and stuff, but rather for traction.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 21, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I have no issue with it at all
Anybody else think that he might be fibbing just a little bit here?
If the rules say no pants, and he’s not wearing pants, I don’t see the issue. An realistically speaking, as the photos clearly show, he always wears the same stuff. It only gets brought up now because he beat somebody relevant.
I don’t think this is the first time it’s been mentioned, maybe just the first time anyone has bothered to pay attention.
by Worldisart on Feb 21, 2010 8:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was wondering the same thing when I saw it and Rogan said something about Mirs legs being strapped up against Brock.
Anyway who believes its not an unfair advantage for a submission guy is deluding themselves.
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New Mexico by chance? They seem to be really opposed to being unslippery in that state.
by Raycetpfl on Feb 21, 2010 11:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m so glad we FINALLY got Haole from the UG’s take on things!
Personally, I think George can’t win without his magic almost-pants, and this makes him a coward and maybe arrogant somehow. Also, he’s ducking somebody. I’m not sure who, but he’s definitely ducking somebody.
by JRN on Feb 21, 2010 8:46 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
If you happen to read Eddie Bravo’s book Mastering the Rubber guard, he explains that he personally almost feels naked without compression shorts and tubbygrip on his knees and shin wraps to create the traction needed for rubber guard. it’s not illegal because he is wearing compression shorts, knee pads, and ankle wraps. The fact that he figured out a way to legally play his jiujitsu game should be commended and doesn’t make him a coward.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 21, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, long weekend of drinking means that meter is pretty much kaput for the next 24 hours.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 21, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Who the fuck is Haole
and why should I care about his opinions on clothing?
by George Lucas on Feb 21, 2010 8:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Haole?
Isn’t he that obnoxious, flamboyant guy who critiques fashion on the red carpet?
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 21, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Fashion in the octagon, more like it.
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by Charles Awad on Feb 21, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
If it makes you feel better Jonathan Snowden was discussing this with Kevin Iole on Twitter last night.
by ufc4 on Feb 21, 2010 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because he has opinions
And, according to Wikipedia, he’s pretty omnipresent in Hawaii:
Haole means “White person, American, Englishman, Caucasian; American, English; formerly, any foreigner; foreign, introduced, of foreign origin, as plants, pigs, chickens” in the Hawaiian language; it can be used in reference to people, plants, or animals.
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by Scott Schroeder on Feb 22, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Pants should be legal anyways
How many advantages do strikers have? It’s about time grapplers receive some of their own.
by timetosaygoodbye on Feb 21, 2010 9:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He isn’t doing anything against the rules or that another fighter could not also do if they wished; so I don’t see the big deal.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
I can see an opponent questioning his attire if they wanted to.
let’s not give bj and his mom any ideas
by woooburn on Feb 21, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
boooooo
just 'cause you pour syrup on shit, don't make it pancakes
by imnotjohnlong on Feb 21, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Mir was wearing about the same thing in his fight against Kongo.
by TannerMatthews on Feb 21, 2010 10:21 PM EST reply actions
Personally, not a fan.
But he is getting away with it for now. I can see him getting called on it now that it is getting wider attention, though.
I guess this is over my head since I don’t know members of that messageboard very well.
Is this guy known for pointing out obvious stuff and this is supposed to be funny?
Don't know how to penalize George or Aoki if he ever came over but....
It is obviously a big advantage for a skilled submission artist. It’s the exact reason gi’s and shoes are not allowed. It should be a level playing field without externally influenced advantages. If they have an injury fine, but to use it as an device advantage is BS.
Props to BJ for not using this advantage… even tho he proved he is a douch after the GSP2 fight.
MMA gloves already give an advantage to the striker. They cushion the fist and make it easier to defend RNCs.
"hey cushion the fist and make it easier to defend RNCs."
In what way that isn’t against the rules. Additionally, those gloves are important for the longevity of a fighter’s career.
They help prevent broken hands, which helps virtually all the fighters. They also do help prevent RNC’s, that’s true. However, where do you draw the line? I’m not the guy in charge but I really do feel that tools such as neoprene ankle, knee and upper leg wraps are specifically for the purpose of helping sub guys is simply unfair.
Remember back in the day, Royce would choke out guys using his gi sleeve. We’re way beyond that now but the principal remains the same. Even the playing field as much as possible. Don’t take away the gloves, fists break on heads, only for that reason.
???
Your comment reads to me as such: Giving strikers unfair and unrealistic advantages just so they can still compete is fair. Giving grapplers unfair and unrealistic advantages just so they can compete is unfair.
So far you mentioned gloves help everyone, but they only help people punch. Pants only help people grip with the leg(s).
Not attacking you, but I’ve seen this pov mentioned before but never explained. I’m trying to understand why many feel this way.
I can't really explain my meaning further
It really is a feeling, not a specific technically justified reason. To me gloves help prevent hand breakages, especially for the strikers but even for the grapplers too because they punch too… albeit much less frequently than do the stikers. Gloves also hinder grapplers because of the RNC “protection” they provide. So those points tend to favour your argument. My “feeling” is that grappling pants (or a gi) provide much more directly purposed effect. That is they are used to help submit people. They of course help with sore ankles and knees but that’s not their purpose in these cases. Their purpose is purely to assist in technique. Gloves are not purposed that way, their effect does help strikers and hinder grapplers but that is an external effect due to the requirement to protect all fighters hands.
I’m not sure that I explained it very well. It is a debatable point and certainly not one that can be won on an internet chat forum. However that is still my feeling and my position. You are welcome to disagree but I thought I’d just try to as best as possible explain my position.
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hey its in the rules… I think its fair… You already arent wearing a shirt that makes it very hard on the grapplers… The gloves are a huge advantage for the strikers and a disadvantage for the grapplers again..
The grappling is what makes this sport mma so I’m ok with it….There are always some loopholes. How about weight cutting… Thats another advantage for wrestlers… They are trained to do it from being high school kids.. It was never intended to be used the way it is but thats how things are
At this point most camps know how to help with weight cuts. So wrestlers don’t carry that big of an advantage. ATT is great at helping people with massive cuts.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 22, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
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