Jose Canseco Calls Out Herschel Walker
by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 2, 2010 11:56 AM EST
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Following Herschel Walker's successful MMA debut with a TKO win over Greg Nagy the always media desperate Jose Canseco is starting to make some noise. On his Twitter, Canseco stated that he "wants in" for a fight against Walker. One can only hope that Strikeforce has absolutely no intention of ever calling Jose.
While the very idea of Herschel Walker vs. Jose Canseco inside a cage is fairly disgusting, you also have to admit that it would create an incredible surge of interest from the mainstream sports media. Jose's fight with Hong Man Choi was mostly just laughed at in the media's coverage, and the takeaway for many following Herschel's fight was that he just beat up some nobody. But, if you put these two very recognizable names in a cage and let them throw hands. Maybe it would create a buzz.
Then again, Celebrity boxing only managed two episodes.
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what a joke..
I like that Anton guy’s idea of Green Ranger vs Herschel better.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 2, 2010 11:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
i’ve got to agree, this matchup is intriguing. both have shown they are real 1-0 martial artists (which is what separates them from 1-0 and 0-1 spectacles). why not put them up against each other, rather than putting them against people who are known to suck?
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
the big difference between them, aside from their records is that Jason David Frank is serious about the sport and actually TRAINS.
If they want to go to the freakshow-ish / PR route, Canseco isn’t the right way to do it.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 3, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
I think he called a ‘media press conference’ to field questions about his fight against Choi. Only nobody cared lol.
by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 2, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
who is the most embarrassed of these three men? i’ve gotta go with the lone reporter. “oh crap! i told my boss this was going to be the #1 story of the day”
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by MicahW on Feb 2, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
lmao!
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by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Walker brings people...
Conseco brings person.
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by poundnground on Feb 2, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is pathetic
……How is Canseco going to pass the drugs test?
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
lol at the outrage!
I called for this fight when Herschel signed and it makes sense. How is this any worse than the joke of a fight last Saturday?
If you are going to go the PR route and put on fights like Walker vs ???, then you might as well do it all the way!
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions
Because Canseco would get finished in 10 seconds.
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
I doubt that. I know Walker showed tremendous finishing skills, but give me a break.
Yes, Walker showed a few signs, but he was flat footed, stiff, etc…
Besides, this wouldn’t be a fight about skill and win or lose, it would be about bringing eyeballs to the tv, so like I said, if you are going that route, why not go all out?
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
That's stooping to a boxing-like sideshow.
I mean, Walker/Nudge already was one, but this is even worse.
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
That’s what I’m saying. If you are going to depend on this type of crap, you might as well do it right, lol!
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
And Hell, I would rather see people tune in and realize they are watching 2 ex pro athletes putting on a show, than see Nagy and think that is what real MMA is about. Or Sims for that matter.
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
And I don’t mean that to bash on either guy, but rather point out that neither one belongs on high level MMA card, which is what Strikeforce is/trying to be.
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Canseco claims to have black belts in MT, Taekwondo, and Karate
I guess this will be a very intriguing matchup….
Um. Yeah. I’m going to watch Canseco getting blasted by Sikahema.
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
man, bring in Vai, he has a legit boxing background!
Or maybe Screech?
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
oops, that sounded like I was comparing the two, Vai was a GG boxer.
Screech beat up Horshack.
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Vai lost to Sugar Ray Leonard in that GG tournament, actually.
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
See, and I think Screech is undefeated, lol!
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Black belt in MT
That should tell you something right there… Those guys do not wear belts.
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by Well Read Idiot on Feb 3, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Boxing-like? What the hell is boxing like at all about a sideshow like that?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 2, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure that was the right term for me to use, but
Boxing (and I’m a massive boxing fan) has put up fights like Larry Holmes vs. Butterbean. To me that’s a sideshow. It’s even more of a joke when some of Butterbean’s fights were actually televised on ESPN’s Friday Night Fights.
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
My biggest problem with teh Walker fight, wasn’t that he is a 47 yo, ex-NFLer, etc…, it was that here is guy with limited MMA training making his debut on a televised card from a major promotion. I know it put viewers in front of teh tv’s, but it still isn’t the type of fight I expect from a major promotion.
Legit guys like Hieron and Riggs get no exposure. just doesn’t seem right to me, but i understand the why.
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, maybe we can get a book by Jose, chronicling the PED usage in MMA? Who wouldn’t want to see that?
On a side, funny how almost all of Jose’s claims have been come to fruition.
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
This is absolutely not what MMA needs...
no matter how many new sets of eyes it will bring to the sport.
In my opinion, it places mainstream MMA in the same ballpark as Celebrity Boxing.
Instead of where it deserves to be as a serious sport.
But that is the point. How is it any worse? Just like I posted, viewers tuned in to see Walker take on a flabby, low level fighter that had no business on a televised major promotion’s card. Is putting Canseco in, where the viewer at least knows it is for publicity worse than having that person think a guy like Nagy represents high level MMA?
And I’m not bashing Nagy, he was in a no win situation and took the opportunity to make a name for himself. I blame SF for entertaining this as a method to gain viewership. If someone who regularly watches the UFC, tuned in to see that last Saturday night, it probably only reinforced their view of the UFC as the only real MMA. Not saying that is my opinion, just what might have resulted.
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well, for one thing, a second show creates a precedent.
Right now, the Walker fight was a one shot deal (granted, one I wasn’t in favor of and don’t want to see repeated), however a fight with Canseco moves Strikeforce, and MMA as a whole toward that sideshow kind of entertainment that so many main stream sport journalist and media professionals are just now starting to realize it isn’t.
Additionally, the last thing anyone who enjoys MMA right now wants is the general perception being that it is the place for washed up athletes from other sports to go cash in for a while after retiring from their “real sport”.
If you think the UFC is trying to take Strikeforce down now, just let the promotion start to “threaten” the progress made in the sport by booking matches like this regularly. Dana will go EXC on them, and in my estimation be justified in doing so.
Not sure
One side of me never ever wants to see this happen but another sick side of me would like it if Walker could guarantee a massive Canseco beat down.
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If Strikeforce is going to play the gimmick card with Walker, why play it half-assed?
I say go whole hog and bring on fights with guys like Canseco. It would have been much more enjoyable than watching him punch Greg Nudge in the armpit.
If Strikeforce is going to go the freakshow route, they should really embrace it.
Yeah and throw ButterBean in the mix and Tank Abott.
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Oh crap…now we are going to hear how Tank and the Bean are/were legit.
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
When you say that in all caps
all I can think of is GOB Bluth. It’s like when somebody says “Good news, everyone!” it’s always Professor Farnsworth’s voice.
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by pdl on Feb 2, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Arrested and Futurama in the same post? You are a master of teh internet!
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Two shows, brilliant beyond the average persons ability to comprehend and both cut short before their time by a short sighted Box Network ;-)
They were ground into a fine pink powder.
It’s got a million and one uses!
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by pdl on Feb 2, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
What?
Of course he is. If he was an up and coming 20something fighter instead of a 47 year old Heisman winner, no way would his fight have been on the main card, if in Strikeforce at all.
I finish beers at 1:55.
I'm all for it
As soon as Canseco agrees to donate his purse to charity, like a certain Mr. Walker did.
Why should that matter?
Who cares what the guy decides to do with his purse. It’s great that Herschel is donating his to charity, but that should have no bearing his status as a fighter.
Because MMA does not need to get the rep...
as being a place for retired athletes from other sports to cash in.
So you are OK with MMA getting the reputation as the place where retired athletes from other sports do their charity work?
Well, there's two options:
So You Think You Can Dance or So You Wanna Be a Fuckin’ Fighter?
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by pdl on Feb 2, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
That’s partly what makes Herschel palatable – he’s not jumping on the mma bandwagon to make money. It would truly be a “freakshow” if this was purely a money making scheme. But as it stands, StrikeForce and Herschel are basically donating a $100,000 to charity to use him as a promotional tool.
Now we can watch it without feeling guilty. Or having to take a shower afterwards.
At this point, that would not even surprise me.
by ultimatefightsource on Feb 2, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think we should all be like the above GIF
And ignore the insignificant. It doesn’t even merit commentary.
Chasing Jose
It’s a bit of a long read, but once you read it you’ll completely understand just how attention whore this guy is…
Not a bad match, seriously
For someone fighting against an established fighter like Choi for the first time, Canseco didn’t look too bad and in a weird sort of way actually held his own for a while. Compare that to someone like Bobby Ologun against Choi.
Walker didn’t do anything great in beating up an undersized kid who was handpicked for him and had nothing to offer as a threat on the ground or on the feet.
At least Canseco would put up more of a fight. Bring it on. It would be nice to see two amateur fighters against each other.
If by "held his own"...
…you mean “ran away” and tapped out as soon as Choi landed more than two successive blows.
I finish beers at 1:55.
Dude, wtf is that...
it looks like a real life Shrek! Either that or some footage of ‘Bigfoot’ Silva as a child.
by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 2, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s from “Freaks”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0022913/
It is
It’s a must see if you’re a fan of horror movies.
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Look at the guy on her left....
lol
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Just noticed
There’s alot of Ginger’s in that crowd.
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Hey, this fight sounds like a great idea
I thought having Herschel Walker on the card was ridiculous in the first place, but since it was main card worthy simply because it brought viewers in I don’t see how this is any worse.
Winner gets Fedor.
I finish beers at 1:55.
Agreed
Strikeforce already proved they are willing to sacrifice quality for a little bit of PR.
Walker versus Canseco would generate HUGE amounts of PR.
I really don’t see how this any different than what they are already doing.
you keep talking about quality….what quality did we miss because of Herschel on sat nite? If it wasn’t Herschel, it would have been the snoozefest that Heiron/Riggs put on, and then the walker fight would have been replaced with an undercard we wouldnt have gotten to see. I get what you’re saying and have said like 1000 times. you want quality, but in this instance, it wouldnt have worked out any better if Herschel hadnt fought.
Walker match was a TUF Heavyweights match that ended up on the main card guy. Not good.
UFC got blasted for most of those awful matches. Respect to Walker but none for Strikeforce.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 2, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Please stop comparing Hieron-Riggs to Walker-Nudge just because neither fight was particularly exciting.
Hieron-Riggs wasn’t a barn burner, but it was a highly technical chess match that is a good representation of the skill and technique involved in MMA. The Walker-Nudge fight was about the level of a local amateur show. There is no comparison between the two.
Crap like Walker-Nudge on the main card of a major event reflects poorly on the sport. But, since Strikeforce has already made it clear they are willing to sacrifice quality fights in order to attract a few extra eyeballs, they might as well go all out and full-fledged freakshows like Walker-Canseco rather than half-assing it with a guy like Nudge.
I’ll make the comparison because it’s valid. to the average person tuning in to see a fight, highly technical means boring. it’s a simple question of understanding what they see. We may see the transitions and positioning and chess match that is going on, but to the layman, it looks like 2 dudes wrestling or to some people two dudes humping. it wouldnt have mattered which fight was shown, the card was what it was, and i’m not sure why everyone thought it would be any different. There is no UFC/Strikeforce comparison because they’re not even in the same ballpark as far as quality of talent and consistency of shows. I recall a time when everyone bitched because the UFC was the only kid on the block and people wanted competition to help improve the sport. Strikeforce is trying to get viewers which is how you get better network deals which means more money, and to bring in the American moron, you need dumbshit like “Pant’s on da ground” because that’s the stupid shit that interests people long enough so that the ones who actually pay attention will learn enough to say hey this is kinda cool. i’d like to watch more of this.
how about winner of this faces the winner of dmx vs Dennis rodman. I think we can throw Danny bonaduce in somewhere too
by kanodogg on Feb 2, 2010 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
actually I’ve got it, 8 man tourney
walker vs canseco
dmx vs coolio
bonaduce vs Dennis rodman
having hard time coming up with 4th fight
by kanodogg on Feb 2, 2010 2:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bobby Olegun vs. Minowa.
Every freakshow tournament gets Minowa.
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by pdl on Feb 2, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
don’t see what the problem is here, canseco been training mma just as long as walker, sure he got demolished by hmc, but don’t you think walker would have too?
wonder how long till shaq retires from bball, he called out hmc, and choi accepted.
by kanodogg on Feb 2, 2010 1:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
he said he had trained for the hmc fight in a pre fight interview
by kanodogg on Feb 2, 2010 1:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I give it a 100% chance they are considering it and a 25% chance of happening, this is SF afterall and being the #2 promotion they clearly only show the best of the best. Or best of the 2nd best, whatever.
Honestly I wouldn't be opposed to it.
Conseco has to be more competitive than Nougat or whatever his name was. Just keep it out of the main event…stick it at the bottom of the televised portion of a Challenger’s card or something.
by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 2, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Strikeforce is going to keep going with these stunt matches and go to far.
Showtime is going to keep pushing for matches like these.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 2, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions
These sorts of stunt matches sort of justify Dana White's change in attitude towards Strikeforce.
He’s always said that he will support anyone that respects the sport, and he used to have good things to say about Strikeforce as a result. Now that Strikeforce has made the “big time”, they are treating the sport less seriously and resorting to sideshow fights to get more viewers.
Of course the real reason for the change of heart is the increased competition, but this certainly gives him something to point to.
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Canseco, he needs to go home.
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