Cesar Gracie Says Nick Diaz Deserves a Pass on Marijuana Use
by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 1:39 PM EST
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Cesar Gracie was recently on MMA Weekly affiliated TapouT Radio and discussed Nick Diaz's marijuana use. MMA Mania put the various statements into a readable format as follows:
"People who don’t like Nick Diaz, that doesn’t make sense to me because here’s a guy who has never put a syringe in his ass in his life. He’s a clean fighter. Obviously [marijuana's] not a performance enhancing drug, so therefore trying to take the guy’s win away – all of these guys testing positive for steroids, and we’ll focus on Nick’s weed thing forever. Oh, we did steroids, that’s fine. Let’s not talk about that. You did some cocaine or something. People have this fetish for the weed thing or something. Obviously he wasn’t stoned for Gomi, but Nevada State with that idiot over there. I can’t remember his name. The little moron guy that was only an athletic commissioner guy because his daddy owned the hotel. He was pathetic and he wanted to make an example of Nick because, who knows? There are theories. Nick wasn’t in the UFC. The day Nick’s not in the UFC he’s testing positive. That was kind of a weird thing because he always smoked the night before (UFC fights). Then all of a sudden he’s in Pride and he’s testing positive. Oh we’re going to take your win away. Pride actually paid him a win bonus after he tested positive. They said, ‘nah, this is just a bunch of Nevada (expletive), and he won that fight.’ He got the win bonus and he went on from there."
Really, all Cesar does here is highlight the reasons why some people, such as myself, have a problem with Diaz. I'm perfectly willing to accept that pot is not an especially performance enhancing drug. I'm also fine if Nick wants to smoke outside of competition. But the fact that he is constantly flaunting his use and bragging about being able to test clean despite smoking 24 hours before a fight is a real issue.
Cesar even says that Nick smokes the night before fights like it shouldn't mean anything. Getting licensed to fight is not a right, it is a privilege and the rules are the same for everyone across the board. Nick knows the rules and medical prescription in CA or not, those guidelines state that pot is a no-no if you want to be a fighter.
The NFL, MLB, and most other professional sports leagues have entire lists of banned substances, some of which are entirely legal over-the-gcounter supplements you can purchase at your local GNC. It's not an absurd concept for an athlete to have to adhere to a set of rules to participate in their sport.
If Diaz can't play by these rules for a few months at a time and instead flaunts his ability to get around them, then I have no reason to treat him like a guy who is operating on the same playing field as everyone else. It may not be as bad as someone using steroids on first glance, but this behavior by Diaz and by Gracie shows a lack of respect to the sport and the other participants in it.
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The NFL really has some OTC stuff on the ban list? I thought the NFL had a pure lax ban list? I say this because Dwayne Chambers was allowed NFL try outs because the PED he got banned from the Olympics for was legal in the NFL.
nfl has plenty of over the counter stuff u cant have
at gnc theres huge amounts of supplements that are banned in just about all sports
nfl has a lot of otc drugs banned, i believe this was the cause of the situation in minnesota
by Austin Martin on Feb 19, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
yup
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I do not wanna seem to be bashing you,
because I generally respect your point of view but I think you reek of Diaz bias. He takes them for anxiety and panic disorder and has a Ca card for it. I also take it for the same reasons and couldn’t perform on a daily basis without it. If you cannot have empathy for his situation, then you really should shut the fuck up about it. Respectfully.
by mrnice on Feb 19, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And if he needs something to function that doesn't allow him to qualify for a fighter's license
…then he should get another line of work.
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I think there's something being missed
If Nick was smoking before UFC fights, no reason to believe he wasn’t, who’s getting a pass on recreational drugs?
I respect the article but I’m not buying the “rule is a rule is a rule” argument in the sense that its actually hurting the sport… I’d say guys that are trained to maim and possibly kill another man going into a bar and getting sh*thouse drunk is probably the worst thing for the sport, but I digress.
Nick may come off as a dumb ass but the guy’s more intelligent than most people give him credit for – he actually believes smoking pot is a right and he’s willing to suffer the consequences for it. Who’s he putting in danger – absolutely no one.
Roids, cutting drastic weight, bad reffing, bad matchups and a myriad of other issues hurt the sport far more than a lone pot smoker.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
If he's willing to suffer the consequences, why didn't he take the test?
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because there’s consequences and there’s consequences. it’s not like he got away scott free here. he took the easier way out. who walks into a year suspension if you don’t have to?
by BradCr on Feb 19, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just saying:
This wasn’t a stand for civil rights. This was ducking out of a fight because he likes getting high more than he likes being a fighter.
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Yeah
I’m sure he’s skipping training to go get high behind the building with all his stockton thug friends… simplified reasoning on a subject that involves legal, addiction, personality trait, organizational politics themes.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, are you so naive that you think he gets high for the reason on his medical marijuana card?
Really?
Cause I think he likes to get high.
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who cares why he needs it, he’s got a prescription from his Doc for it. In CA that’s all that matters
by BradCr on Feb 19, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not a prescription.
Look it up.
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he cant get the card without a prescription
by BradCr on Feb 19, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No.
Look it up.
It’s not a prescription.
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“Upon obtaining a recommendation from their physician for use of medicinal marijuana, patients and their primary caregivers may apply for and be issued, a Medical Marijuana Identification Card”
by BradCr on Feb 19, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A recommendation letter is not a prescription.
Also, a car is not a bicycle.
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whatever man. tomato/tomahto. His Dr says he needs it….who are you to say otherwise?
by BradCr on Feb 19, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn’t matter if we say otherwise. But the people that say that every other fighter can’t take drugs that their doctor says they can are able to say otherwise.
EXACTLY.
And more specifically, a recommendation doesn’t carry the same significance of a prescription. There’s a very real difference – talk to your local medical board.
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it’s a piece of paper from a Dr telling someone that i can have access to a particular type of medication that i dont have legal access to otherwise. sounds like the same thing to me. but then again i’m not on a blog trying to play Dr either
by BradCr on Feb 19, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And again: it's not 100% legal.
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It is when you're so bad at it.
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…not familiar with the meaning of semantics are ya?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
we’re both talking about the same thing, just using different words. to me, a recommendation for a medication from a Dr and a prescription from a Dr are the same thing. They’re both a piece of paper that gives me access to medication that i couldnt legally possess otherwise. I dont see what the big deal is if i call if a prescription like most other people do.
A doctor can also say that a fighter needs a boost in his testosterone, but he isn’t allowed to use whatever method that doctor is willing to prescribe to get that boost. There are certain things that the commissions say you can not be on to fight…find a different medication
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So we should let all the fighters with prescriptions for drugs that are amphetamines or pain killers fight with those drugs in their system?
no
because those have performance enhancing effects.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It does allow you to put yourself in terrible danger...
…by fighting through a painful injury. We could call that an enhancement, I guess.
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Yeah
I guess I’m glad you see the reasoning of being hit in a compromised spot and not feeling it could be somehow construed to be an enhancement.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, if you want to see people fighting high on coke and stuffed to the gills on roids, go watch some Japanese MMA or something.
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And how does that relate to nick diaz and his pot smoking? I said those aren’t the same cause they’re performance enhancing… try to keep up.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a pain killer. Yes?
I mean, that’s the reason he has his little card in the first place? So that cancer patients could have some pain relief?
They didn’t pass the law for ADHD, my friend.
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Well
Lets do a test. Take a vicodin or some percocet and let me punch you in the face and then smoke a joint and let me punch you in the face and we’ll see if there’s a difference.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure
As long as you’re gonna give me some of those Nick Diaz pillow punches. :-)
Let me get this straight, are you now arguing AGAINST the medical efficacy of marijuana?
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No
but its medical uses are for more than death bed pain… I can assure you.
Are you now arguing FOR the medical efficacy of marijuana?
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure.
And I’m arguing that just like prescription painkillers, fighters shouldn’t be on it.
That’s called being logically consistent, my good sir.
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Actually
your argument was that the only reason he was using it was because he liked getting high.
I never touted him having a prescription as any part of my argument.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True.
What is your argument again?
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I don't know
I’m high as hell right now.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Dude, you're presenting that like it's news!
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Performance ENHANCING pain killers?
Gotta get me some of those.
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You ever heard of vicodin
you know, the one Brett Favre played many a game on.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Only if they fight with chainsaws
…in a cage with a moat filled with sharks.
Or was it alligators?
Whichever is more dangerous.
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Are you so naive
that you think that everyone that smokes pot is some dysfunctional malcontent.
Have you seen the guy in interviews… you don’t think smoking helps him get through the day without freaking out.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope.
I think most of them are people who like to get high.
Like most people who drink? They like to get tipsy.
Sure, there are some cancer patients and whatnot out there, but Nick Diaz isn’t one of those.
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Thanks for clearing that up
What’s the Diaz family like at home?
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
STONED.
Dude, you’ve watched as many of his videos as I have, right?
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Who gives a shit if he does like to get high… there’s a ridiculous amount of hypocrisy when we’re talking about what’s good or bad for the sport when the UFC show’s their fighters getting drunk and fighting, fighters sending twit pix of them taking shots, people treating this as it being the actions of some stubborn punk without once bringing up the word addiction…
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We're too busy bringing up words like
Juvenile.
Pathetic.
Cheating.
Unrepentant.
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I'm sure you're funny
to someone. Way to address the point.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that is the point.
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Well, he was a marked man. Being willing to suffer the consequences doesn’t mean he’s an idiot… weigh miss out on one paychech as opposed to possibly many paychecks.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What, is he going to finish his career fighting in Florida?
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Unless he's a seer
How does he know where a big opportunity for him is going to be scheduled in the future.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Where by “big opportunity” you mean an athletic commission that will let him get stoned.
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And you think
he wasn’t getting stoned before his ufc fights… true believer eh?
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whether he was or wasn't isn't my concern.
I’m not concerned by what fighters do when I DON’T HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
One of the things I’ve tried to instill in my kids – without saying it explicitly, because it sounds terrible – is that it isn’t important that you’re good, it’s important that you’re responsible. If my kid spills milk all over the floor and leaves it for me to find, I’m PISSED. If he cleans that shit up and I’m none the wiser, then what do I care?
Same for Nick: If he were being discreet, getting high on his own time, passing piss tests, and winning fights, that’d be one thing. But instead he’s ducking fights, failing tests, and acting like a spoiled kid.
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I guess that's the difference
between us. I’m looking at it from the perspective of a guy who likes to watch martial arts whereas some of the rules are ridiculous, you’re apparently walking through life judging people like they’re you’re kids. Maybe you can adopt the Diaz bros and turn them around… great reality tv.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, when Nick acts less responsibly than my kids,
…it’s hard not to judge him by the same standards.
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So your kid passed the piss test?
Now I know why you’re so smug.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, my 10 year old is definitely not smoking weed.
I don’t give him enough allowance for that.
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you only have yourself to blame if he’s getting picked on by the cool kids.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
DUDE
I can’t figure it out, and I sure as hell can’t take credit for it, but he actually is the most well-liked kid in class. It’s a mystery to me.
And my daughter is one of the popular kids in her high school – I have no idea how to provide her guidance on her problems.
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Lots of opportunities
but I’ll leave that one alone… God Bless the little buggers.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Nick was smoking before UFC fights, no reason to believe he wasn’t, who’s getting a pass on recreational drugs?
UFC fighters have got busted for recreational drugs before too, it’s not like they get some special pass. Nevada only randomly checks fighters from cards unless it’s a title fight, unlike California that test everyone. Obviously in Nevada you may not get caught because they don’t have the money to test everyone. Lets also not forget that Nick knew from the start that he wasn’t supposed to be doing this, just because whatever system he was using to beat test failed before the Gomi fight doesn’t mean that it was some kind of UFC special treatment before that or that anyone else is getting a pass on recreational drugs here. Nick is in the eye of this hurricane because he keeps putting himself there and making such a big issue out of it.
I reek of Diaz bias? What tipped you off? The part where I said I don’t like Nick Diaz for his behavior?
But since you are too dumb to make a point without telling an editor on the staff to “shut the fuck up about it” I’ll see ya later
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Shhh!
They all just left! Don’t bring them back!!!
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Well…he won’t be coming back. He’d gotten enough warnings already
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
i see a big difference between supplements on the market that don’t have to be fda approved and someone having a legitimate prescription for something. This isn’t the first time Cesar had said something that makes Nick look like an ass, so he might think about shutting his mouth. Also, fighters with prescriptions to ritalin and aderol can’t test positive for those, so i see the point being made. Still though, those have much more performance improving capabilities than weed, unless someone has found a weed that doesn’t make you slow, hungry, and happy. in any case- bragging about this, dumb. the situation- dumb. the worlds take on mary jane- dumb. cesar gracie exacerbating an already bad situation- as dumb as training canseco
by Austin Martin on Feb 19, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
enhance performance is certainly a gray area. The fact of the matter is, its on the list.
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by szucconi on Feb 19, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
This is the same problem I have with steroid users: you can argue all day about safety and efficacy and whatever else you like, but there are two kinds of fighters: those that will follow the rules and those that will cheat.
Nick wants to be the guy that cheats.
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by jemaleddin on Feb 19, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and he doesn’t cheat to gain an edge, he cheats because he feels like it. That is ignorant.
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by szucconi on Feb 19, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Dude, if you don’t stop saying such awesome things, my rec button is gonna wear out.
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Not "cheating"
Why are you calling it cheating if what he’s doing is purely recreational and not to gain an advantage?
I find myself in the Cesar camp here.
because it’s against the rules?
What if someone wants to take some other prescription pain killer for recreational use? Is that ok?
So is this basically where everyone is coming from?
It’s cheating the licensing requirements of an AC to be allowed to compete, but not the actual competition. So I wouldn’t say Tito cheated against Forrest because he didn’t disclose his fractured griilbone and shattered spine, but he cheated the commission into letting him fight.
Whereas with a PED, it would cheat both the AC and his opponent, which I think is the moral divide here. Drugs of abuse endanger themselves and cheat the AC’s rules. Neither of these are high on fans priorities.
It doesn’t matter if it’s recreational or not. Melvin Guillard used coke for recreational purposes, doesn’t mean it’s not illegal. Any substance that is illegal in the United States automatically shows up on the ban list.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 19, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
yea but cmon
the california weed prescription thing is kinda a joke its not like its hard to get a prescription at all
it shouldn’t be illegal in the first place, this argument has taken place before. i would rather this discussion stay as it relates to mma
by Austin Martin on Feb 19, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t care if they put wheaties on the list. If its on the list, a fighter should avoid it. Working to get it off the list is an entirely different issue.
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by szucconi on Feb 19, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right...
It doesn’t matter if it SHOULD or SHOULDN’T be on the list. It’s on the list. And every fighter gets the same list.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
i didn’t mean to confuse my point. many different issues invloved in this one topic. He most absolutely shouldnt have so much bragadocio (sp?) about this, with all conceptions and morals put to the side. For now, its banned, he is not above the ban, so he cannot test positive. Simple.
by Austin Martin on Feb 19, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone care that you can test positive a month or so after you smoke, i.e. when you don’t carry any “benefits” of smoking? I understand that the banned list is the banned list, but if you’re not presently drunk, that won’t show up on a test, whereas there’s a lot of lag time for weed. I believe cocaine is a few days at most (Geez, Melvin!). Just an idea I hadn’t heard addressed.
Use all ten points.
unless someone has found a weed that doesn’t make you slow, hungry, and happy.
Sativa’s leave you hungry and happy, but your mind fires faster and no sluggishness or body effects. But like all weed your focus isn’t always controllable.
thats what i mean, as opposed to ritalin which is specifically for concentration purposes, there is no avoiding the whole “focus” thing no matter the type.
by Austin Martin on Feb 19, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Not neccesarily
I think one of the reasons its so allegedly big in BJJ culture is because of the dynamic subconscious trains of thought you go on. While rolling it feels like you’re working farther ahead that you normally do in the tactical/strategic sense even though you’re not focusing on choosing tactics or setups. Very weird, but efficient for jits.
I only tried it once and don’t smoke anymore, so that’s all I can say on it. I have no experience with it striking where it would theoretically slow your reaction time. I don’t know if studies have been done involving adrenaline plus custom-trained reflexes, which is a big difference from most civilians. Both alter muscle-connections and memory which could bypass the conscious focus control thats lost, but who knows?
The differentiating factor should be- and I think Cesar is ham handedly saying this- performance ENHANCEMENT. If there’s no enhancement, it’s none of the athletic commission’s business. This should be a privacy issue. If not, fighters should be tested for alcohol as well. Oh no, that’s LEGAL, so that’s fine. Just ignoring the scientific and sociological evidence pointing to alcohol being the significantly more damaging substance is clearly the way to go…
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by Drewplata on Feb 19, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
OK… but what does that have to do with anything? Who said anything about back stage?
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Nick was busted backstage at the Gomi fight. His test was taken minutes before he went out to fight.
Last time around, Nick did not test positive, he simply blew off the test and forfitted his chance to be licensed.
Marijuana stays in your system for 28 days
So that he failed a test just prior to a fight does not indicate when he was in fact smoking.
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nope, thats about the longest, depends on how many cals youre burning and the fat content of your body. he was cutting to 160, which is very low for him, so he had very little fat and it couldve been filted out less than 8 days before
by Austin Martin on Feb 19, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
For average, sit at home, eat cheetos all day stoner, 28 days is absolutely right. You can flush it from your system, and more specifically from your urine much quicker than that if you know what you’re doing.
regardless
If it’s 10 days, or if he used a masking agent, it is still ambiguous when he smoked it.
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oh really?
then what’s all that orange stuff on your face?
OMG, Nick does pot. :O
by The Real T-Bone on Feb 19, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Is this fight forum?
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You know, we all like to talk about how much safer MMA is/could be/might be
…than other combat sports, but having guys that want to show up high could really put the damper on that.
I personally don’t care if Nick Diaz gets stoned and beaten half to death, but I’d really prefer if it if he could keep that sort of thing reserved for when it wouldn’t be ruining MMA for everyone else.
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I think his whole point
Is that he doesn’t show up high. The only two people who have ever really been affected by his smoking are Jay Heiron and Nick Diaz. It is weird that this point has only been brought up since he left the UFC, and Nate’s name never seems to be mentioned.
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I would have a problem with Nate if he were saying he was able to pass a test whenever and putting out videos days before a fight where he steps off camera and hits a bong. But Nate doesn’t do that. So…yeah
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is
I don’t remember Nick doing things like that when he was in the UFC. Maybe he did, so maybe I’m wrong. It just seems like a PR thing. The UFC won’t let their fighters flaunt illegal drug use.
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The UFC doesn't stop them from doing a lot of other dumb shit.
I’d posit that once he left the UFC he started hitting the bong a little harder and stopped thinking so clearly.
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Dana's recent comments
seem to back this up. Dana said that Nick SHOULD be in the UFC but it’s his irresponsible behavior that makes that a difficult thing to do.
That's true
Remember Dana said if he could just “play the game”, he could be back.
I guess playing the game means going on a Rampage or taking the police on a wild goose chase like Neer. Doing those things are okay. Junie & Leben okay. Nick…not so much. Oh well. Gotta love the consistency.
by The Real T-Bone on Feb 19, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
It’s very consistent.
In the case of Junie Browning, remind me what his contract status with the UFC is? Oh yeah….
As for Rampage and Leben, isolated incidents. The UFC does have some compassion for people willing to work with them and change their behavior. Nick Diaz is defiant, the dude attacked someone in a hospital for crying out loud.
sorry, that was a totally incomplete thought. I guess what i was going to point out is that of all things fighters do that get us all stirred up, smoking pot should be pretty low on the list.
smoking pot by itself should be low on the list.
Smoking pot in a way that keeps you from fighting should be very high on the list.
This is the dumbest post in a sea of dumb posts.
Tell us all about how marijuana makes fighting any less safe.
by George Lucas on Feb 19, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'll show you!
Get REALLY high, then swing by my place. You will not feel safe.
(And you’ll never feel clean again.)
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Regarding the Gomi fight: I think Nick was smoking that day. The SAC officials were chasing him around backstage for hours, trying to get him to take the test. He only did it minutes before his fight when they told him he would not be allowed to fight if he did not submit a sample.
There was no conspiracy, Nick knew he was going to test positive, why else would he have made such a big deal out of being tested?? Plus, there were not trace amounts, it was a strong positive.
it was such a strong positive that i think it was a brownie. so much thc, and he was in locker rooms with other fighters
by Austin Martin on Feb 19, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Still doesn’t mean he was smoking that day. If he had smoked every day up to that including the night before (which he probably was) he would have had that strong a positive.
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That still makes Gracie’s suggest that Nick’s Pride test was rigged. Nick’s backstage behavior certainly suggests that he knew he was screwed.
To everyone that wants the rule to be overturned:
It is not going to happen. If anything, it is going to get tougher. More and more people are pushing for stricter testing and for blood testing and use of the WADA regs.
I can’t think of a single company or org that uses drug testing that was allow pot. Nick Pot licence does not protect him from anything other that criminal charges. That is how the Cali law was written.
Cesar needs to check himself. Why would anyone in the political system (therefore pro U.S. and pro UFC) want to discredit Nick’s victory over Gomi? Gomi was the biggest LW star in Pride – if the powers that be would want to make Pride look bad, they wouldn’t have messed with the results of this fight!
by MMAEruption on Feb 19, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Good point, sir.
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This is a good point
But its assuming the commission would only tamper with results to help a promotion and not for personal aggrandizement. And tamper is the wrong word here. Nobody is accusing them of tampering. I guess not tampering as opposed to other times when they did tamper.
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Can someone please give me a reason why Marijuana should be disallowed when it is smoked the day before a fight? There’s been lots of talk about this on the net but no one can seem to come up with a good reason.
Breaking a rule is wrong. But stupid rules are meant to be broken.
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by mma_dude on Feb 19, 2010 1:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
a rule is a rule is a rule. im not an advocate of the law, but there are other prescription supplements that arent legal to test for in a fight, so this shouldnt be any different
by Austin Martin on Feb 19, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think you mean stupid people are meant to be broken.
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I have always said, the guy that will succeed in pushing to get pot legalized in the states will not partake in it while he is doing so.
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Of course not - how's he gonna have the motivation to get that much shit done?
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lol
but this isn’t a legal issue of the states, only the athletic commision
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by mma_dude on Feb 19, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I brought it up, but the point is the same. A huge pothead like Nick would have a hard time lobbying to get it off the ban list.
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It seems like we're all in agreement that the rule is lame...
yet everyone is taking shots at diaz and no one at the commision. The athletic commision in nevada is seriously rediculous.
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by mma_dude on Feb 19, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
its the CSAC that has been in conflict with Diaz, not NSAC, although they mostly stand together on rulings.
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yeah... the commisions follow each other
It’s a good thing that at least the fans understand that these sanctioning bodies are just bureaucratic nonsense and that Diaz kicked the shit out of gomi regardless of what a commision says. I’m glad he got paid for that spectacular performance.
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Yeah
Anybody who saw that fight (and it should be every fan because that fight was awesome) knows who won. It’ll be like Jon Jones’ DQ. Or Fedor’s loss. Its a loss in name only.
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yeah...
It actually make me happy to know that these ‘losses’ don’t really effect their pay, their standings, or their ranks.
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Well, Gomi stayed number 1 after the Diaz win was NCed
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That is true, but at the time they were the top ranking body.
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I think most fans don’t need a body to tell them who’s good. Smart fighting promotions understand this, and act accordingly.
The UFC has learned from their mistake in cutting Nick. (i.e. if it was a few years ago, Nate would have been cut by now)
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by mma_dude on Feb 19, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The CSAC is, well, not so good. They have had issues. The ACs hold up rulings of other ACs, but NSAC and NJSAC are both the gold standard. CSAC has been plagued by corruption, but managed to avoid major scandal.
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CSAC has actually tightened up the testing. The Sherk debacle resulted in them adopting that WADA regs regarding testing and the handling of samples.
Yeah and hopefully nothing else crops up. But the commish stepped down due to a mini scandal. Thats really what I am talking about
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It will take time for them to prove that to me. They have had a limited number of events since.
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the same motivation that saw him compete in triathalons and the most demanding physical sport in the world? oh yeah. here comes the trolling.
by Austin Martin on Feb 19, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Blah blah blah.
Should I give you the standard “Put down the bong and learn to take a joke” or do you want something more personalized?
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Cesar even says that Nick smokes the night before fights like it shouldn’t mean anything.
He says in the full interview that Nick used to, but now stops 10 days out which is enough time to clear his head, and apparently pass a test.
Just not a random test.
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How about "previously unannounced" test?
Is that better?
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Meh.
Is it wrong that I just don’t particularly care one way or the other what Diaz does? I like watching him fight. Beyond that, it’s a big whatever for me.
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by pud333 on Feb 19, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Oh come on. Don’t you know how upset and personally offended you should be? I mean between this and trying to determine if Tiger really meant his personal apology to me I’m not going to sleep for a week.
by jrobb20 on Feb 19, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Actually, there should be two sets of rules.
You know, one set for most MMA fighters and another for Nick Diaz. That’s really what I get out of this. The debate over whether or not weed should be legal – in a sporting or general sense – is one thing, but to say some of the goofy shit that Cesar Gracie says is quite another. He’s just pushing his fighter. He’s not taking up the cause for all weed-smoking MMA participants.
Nick Diaz is a great fighter who goes out of his way to make a spectacle of himself which distracts most fans from just how good he is in the ring/cage. Now, this may be a prudent course of action from a marketing perspective. I’m really not qualified to say. Nonetheless, this stuff takes away from his credibility as an athlete.
i disagree...
I think gracie is taking a shot at this stupid rule, not just promoting his fighter.
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I also disagree: Nick isn't that great
He certainly seems better when he’s not fighting in the UFC, but you can draw your own conclusions about that…
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by jemaleddin on Feb 19, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Old argument is tired
Nick has been successful. Give him that.
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I've been very successful in the ring
…against second graders in a variety of weight classes.
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He was also successful in the UFC
He has improved greatly since then. He has beaten fighters that fans have really hoped would come to the UFC and expected them to make a splash. I know your argument, I’ve heard it a hundred times, but its unnecessary.
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It's also, true.
Look at the guys he beat in the UFC:
- Josh Neer (Meh)
- Gleison Tibau (155)
- Koji Oishi (Who?)
- Drew Fickett (HAHAHHAHAAHA!)
- Robbie Lawler (Overrated then AND now)
- Jeremy Jackson (No, really, who?)
Look at the guys he lost to:
- Sean Sherk (155)
- Joe Riggs (Meh)
- Diego Sanchez (155-ish)
- Karo Parisyan (CRAZY)
Seriously: name a top 10 UFC welterweight that he could beat.
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I would take him over #5 Hardy. It would be a fun fight against #6 Daley. I’d definitely take him over #7 Hughes at this point. I’d definitely expect him to beat #8 Swick. I think he’s better than #9 Paulo Thiago, but a case could be made either way. And I think he would rip #10 Kampann apart.
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maybe even Kos. might be able outpoint Fitch. he’s up there, that’s for sure.
by The Real T-Bone on Feb 19, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahahahahahahaahahaa...
Oh, you kids slay me….
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I wanna see Nick beat up a top wrestler first before I can say he’s going to be a top guy in the UFC.
by MickDawg on Feb 19, 2010 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okay, sober up and then give me your answers.
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Well, I look good in comparison to those idiots below.
And by “idiots” I mean that one guy and his 4 accounts.
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You do indeed
Good job looking on the bright side. We both look like brain surgeons in comparison.
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DAMN STRAIGHT.
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Really?
While I don’t doubt his ability to be one half of an entertaining fight, there’s nothing Nick has done or anyone he’s beat recently that leads me to believe he could hang with the top of the 170lbs division in the UFC.
those losses contain a couple of the best fights of all time
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by mma_dude on Feb 19, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
In the sense that on a long enough list, all fights are among "the best fights of all time"?
Sure.
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i was thinkin' diego and parisyan...
but it’s true that the list would be pretty long
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by mma_dude on Feb 19, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wait…you consider both Diego and Karo part of the elite “best of all time list”?
Wait…really?
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 19, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I completely misread that…but I still disagree. But only because in the past years after those fights, we’ve had some amazing ones.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 19, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
actually it doesn't matter...
Diego for sure (most people would agree)
and Parisyan, in his prime, was very fun to watch
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in all fairness to that list
and I’m NOT a Diaz fan at all, he’s looked very much improved the past year. His punches aren’t pitter-patter anymore, but strong, solid shots. Looking at the BE rankings, I think he’s almost certainly better than Hieron, Condit, and Kampmann and probably Swick, Daley and Hardy as well. Do I think he can beat the upper echelon of the division? No. Is he on that cusp? Yea. Let’s not forget he’s still only 26 and is on a 10-1-1 (11-1) fight win streak against some halfway decent competition.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
don't even bother
he’s not in the UFC so he must suck
by The Real T-Bone on Feb 19, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Not the point.
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In the last year?
Against Marius Hasn’tBeatenAnyone-us? Or against Frank “The Legend – No, Really, I think he was in my mythology course” Shamrock"? Or Scott “Hands of a UFC Washout” Smith?
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by jemaleddin on Feb 19, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know, right?
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I'm not trying to take anything away from him...
But I just am not sold on this Nick Diaz being drastically improved thing. He hasn’t fought anyone to suggest that he could go back and win a rematch with some of the people he lost to in the UFC. Nick still has glaring holes in his game that he hasn’t addressed, i.e. wrestling (which coincidentally is why I don’t think SF wants him to fight Hieron, as I think Jay wins that fight).
Let’s see Nick fight Shields (I know it won’t happen), then pass judgment on how far he’s come.
Seems to be a lot of Diaz hate around here.
Ask his teammates (and the guys at AKA) how Diaz is in the gym. Much, much tougher than people give him credit for! He might not be able to top GSP or Fitch, but he’d be okay against some of the others in the top 10.
And those “pitter patter” punches hurt. Ask anyone who has fought or sparred wit him. They’re fast and seemingly endless.
If you think he’s a prick, fine. If you think he should stop smoking, whatever. Just don’t try to discount the fact that he can fight.
by Michael Hatamoto on Feb 19, 2010 10:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know you can do that with some top ten Welters too right?
Dan Hardy, Who’s he fought in the UFC? Akihiro “I get my face kicked in” Gono, Rory “I’m just fodder” Markham, Marcus “I’ve been around forever but have never broken through” Davis, and Mike “Should be at middleweight” Swick. And now he’s fighting for the title.
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True, but Nick has literally been fighting nothing but nobodies, has beens and scrubs for a long time.
When was his last significant win?
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DUDE.
Name one top 20 guy that Marius has beaten.
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why don't you ask all of the rankings websites
that had him in the top 15 since his GP win?
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Zaromskis’ ranking was inflated due to the exciting nature of his wins, not the quality of them.
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Exactly
And: rec’d.
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EXACTLY.
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wait
so his win against Gomi is… what exactly? I don’t get it.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
The last time he fought somebody worth having a win over.
And then he went and screwed that up.
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I don't really think he screwed that up
so much as he did the same shit he’s been doing for years, but he just took it in the rear from the Commission for whatever reason – random testing, vindictiveness, whatever.
Also I’m merely looking at the fight itself, which he won. Yea it sits as a NC on his record, but seriously, he won the fight.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
He broke the rules.
He knew the rules and he broke them because he thinks they don’t apply to him. That’s what all of this is about: his shitty attitude.
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and the main reason I don't like him all that much
but you still need to be able to put aside what you feel about a fighter and objectively look at his accomplishments. I am not a fan of either Diaz, but Nick has certainly looked like he has improved lately and is winning fights against some OK competition in fairly dominating fashion.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
And none of that makes him a top fighter.
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except it does
in the opinions of most people. Witness the rankings sites. Sherdog updated theirs and Diaz is suddenly #9. I guarantee you on the aggregate BE/USA Today rankings, Diaz will also sit around that mark. Shit, just for a laugh I went and googled for rankings, http://www.mmafighterranking.com/ has him at 5, same as http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/welterweight/ and http://www.fightmagazine.com/mma-rankings/mma-welterweight-rankings.asp has him at 3 (wtf?)
While I think that’s a bit ridiculous, clearly your opinion is in the minority here.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Let's be clear
The rankings are a tool for analyzing fighters, not an absolute list of who beats who.
And MMA Rankings suffer from a HUGE number of problems. (My favorite is the “whoever gets scheduled to fight Fedor slowly creeps up to #2” problem.) One of them is that a few fighters outside the UFC always end up too high on the list just so the people making the rankings will seem unbiased. Robbie Lawler and Nick Diaz have DEFINITELY benefited from that, as have their opponents.
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says the guy...
with a Lesnar av. Hah.
Is that a young Brock you got going on?
by The Real T-Bone on Feb 19, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
What?
Dude, that’s me. That name? Is my name. The pic? Is my pic. My email address linked on my profile? That’s my actual real email address. Not all of us are playing pretend around here.
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ok then...
do you also have a “cool” chest tattoo? just kidding
jemaleddin sounded made up and it looks like Brock…or you look like Brock.
Either way, my apologies. ;)
by The Real T-Bone on Feb 19, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
DUDE
I don’t look like Brock!
Take it back!
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My hand looks like it could take Frankie Edgar, doesn't it?
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Certainly
I dislike the creep that a lot of fighters get for various reasons. I still think that Diaz, based upon his record and showings in his last three fights, has deserved to climb the ladder back to second tier status.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think TAKING a fight against Frank Shamrock should lower your ranking
Different strokes.
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by jemaleddin on Feb 19, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
cute nicknames don't change the fact that they're still
and I repeat, “HALFWAY DECENT” competition. Durhur. Like it or not, Zaromskis was ranked 12 in the BE rankings last month. Gomi is the hot shit new UFC signing and generally considered to be one of the top 3 155’ers ever. And I don’t really care how much you want to dismiss his level of competition, going 11-1 in this sport is NOT an easy thing to do. People sometimes lose fights they aren’t supposed to – GSP is a prime example of that.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
lol
both Nick and Nate have never “lost” a fight, they just got screwed by the doctors and judges. Part of the reason I dislike them, but thats another story.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
My point is...
comparing Diaz’s losses to guys like Sanchez, Riggs, Noons, etc… to GSP’s loss to Serra doesn’t work.
nono
I’m not comparing his losses to the Serra loss, I’m merely pointing out that even the best people get fluked in this sport every now and then. He’s nowhere near on GSP’s level, but he’s still 11-1 in his last 12. That isn’t easy to do.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's a lot easier when you're fighting scrubs.
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If you think they're scrubs
you’re either a moron or trolling, I think the latter, personally. They’re certainly not amazing fighters, but to call Gomi and Zaromskis scrubs is just laughable.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not calling Gomi a scrub.
But then again, he didn’t EXACTLY beat Gomi.
And Zaromskis won a tournament – great – but he didn’t beat any top guys in doing so. He’s untested.
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I would say nick would give gsp a lot of trouble on the feet and from the guard…. if gsp would stand with him for 3 minutes in the first round it would be bad for him and might even result in a loss
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I think it’s laughable to think that Nick Diaz has anything for GSP that he hasn’t dealt with before.
Add that to Diaz’s biggest weakness being GSP’s biggest strength and you have what is ostensibly a squash match.
listen gsp has never been in a guard as dangerous as diaz..yes his guard is better then bj’s and he has never faced someone with such crisp boxing and reach as diaz not to mention diaz has been training with shields forever now and his TD defense has had to get better…i mean look who he trains with in boxing …fucking andre ward
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1st of all, Nick Diaz’s guard is is not more effective than BJ, while Nick might try and throw up more subs, it leaves him so wide open to be smashed (GSP’s specialty) that he wouldn’t try anything against the champ.
2nd, Diaz’s boxing isn’t that great, and benefits from volume over technique.
3rd, if you think Nick Diaz is going to be the guy to start stuffing GSP’s takedowns, you need to put down the pipe.
WOW
I didn’t realize you were crazy.
I take back all those mean things I said about you. I just want you to get the help you need.
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GSP
would apesmash Diaz. In all fairness, he does that to everyone in this weight class, but Diaz would be no different.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
diaz would beat all those guys u mentioned today….and he would give gsp more trouble then anyone he has faced lately bad matchup style wise for gsp
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Nick Diaz gets beat by wrestlers, what do all those guys plus the top guys at 170 have in common? They’re all wrestlers.
Listening to people like you imply that Nick Diaz is the only threat to GSP really makes me rethink my ideas about the legalization of pot, because if this the crazy talk you get from pot heads, maybe it’s a good thing it’s illegal.
diaz would hurt gsp on the feet is all im saying
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But not top guys.
You can’t be a top guy if you’re not beating top guys.
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He's beaten
everyone they’ve put in front of him except for a doctor’s stoppage at the hands of Noons. You go 11-1, win a few good-looking fights in dominant fashion and people will start consider cracking you into the top10, which is probably where he belongs right now.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
But it’s who he’s gone 11-1 against. What’s a win over Frank Shamrock really worth these days? Does beating Scott Smith make you a world beater?
no
but beating Sell the way he beat him and Shamrock and Zaromskis might vault you to around the 10th best fighter in your weight class status. I don’t think anyone is arguing he’s a world beater, just a top10 welterweight. Again, look at those rankings – they aren’t the deepest in the world.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I would completely disagree, 170 is very deep and I’m not sure Diaz is anywhere near top 10 based on what he’s accomplished and who he’s beaten.
If you noticed an earlier post in this thread
I think he’s better than Swick, Kampmann and Condit among others. I can see a legitimate argument that he’s better than Daley and Hardy to throw in a few other names as well.
170 is only as deep as the top five, imo. GSP, FItch, Alves, Thiago, Koscheck is about where you kind of stop and say OK, there’s questions about everyone else below the list.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
There’s questions about every fighter below the top 5 in every division, that fighters have flaws doesn’t make the division shallow. That’s just silly and short sighted reasoning.
I think you missed my point
Not that they have flaws, but that you can make an honest case for most of them to not even be top 10 at all.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
not the division
the top rankings. I think that outside of the top 5, its a great dogfight for that second tier. And I think Diaz certainly belongs in that second tier discussion.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'll say the same thing I said to leddin
a number of posts up. Go look at the rankings sites. Updated rankings lists that I found on a quick google search: Sherdog has him 9, two others have him at 5 and Fight Mag even has him at 3! That one’s kinda ridiculous, but let’s just say that your opinion seems to be in the minority here.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Being in the minority doesn’t render my opinion invalid or make you the winner of the argument.
I’ve asked it before, and I’ll ask it again, who has Nick Diaz beat to justify being a top 10 or in the ridiculous case of those rankings, top 5 at 170lbs.
Gomi?
/ducks
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he beat
three people in a row who are solid enough fighters in a convincing manner that the matches were almost close to being non-competitive. He beat 8 out of his last 9 opponents before that as well. I’m more with Sherdog and think he’s deserving of 8-10 somewhere. No clue how he got to #3, but I believe Fight Mag uses some bizarre tabulation system.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I believe their system involves a bong.
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gomi, sanchez, smith, sherk, lawler, parisyan
I can easily see how these outstanding performances could put him into the top ten.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
by mma_dude on Feb 19, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like that you have to include his losses to make him sound better.
Nice.
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That's the point...
A loss is a loss in the judges minds — not necessarily in the minds of the fans, the promotion, or the dudes who make up the top ten lists.
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Wait - would you disagree with any of those losses?
I wouldn’t.
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Are you kidding?
After watching the Gomi fight you came to the conclusion that Gomi should be higher ranked than Dias?
Get outta here!
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
But that's not a case of he judges ruling it a loss.
I’m talking about the fights where he lost decisions in the UFC. I agreed with every one of those.
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The question of who should be a higher ranked fighter doesn’t factor into a judges decision. But if it did, then you might not see the same results from the judges. After those fights did you say to yourself that karo is a better fighter than diaz, or sherk?
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
I gave you names
about half a dozen posts earlier in this thread. Stop being dumb. Smith, Shamrock, Zaromskis. Want me to repeat them another time?
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
so he’s beaten all of the people put in front of him except for the one that beat him so badly the doctor had to stop it, gotcha.
And Noons?
Not exactly a world-beater.
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A problem in and of itself.
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Nick Diaz Rocks
Listen up Brent Brookhouse you probably never trained or fought anything. ‘Couse if so you would know that smoking does not afect your perfomce at all, and marijuana as everybody knows should be legal already.
And as we all know it’s very common that jiu jitsu figther smoke weed before trainning and even before competitions! Not only jiu jitsu figther , but all the xtreme sports pratitioners do smoke weed!
Don’t blame nick for saying the truth!
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and the trolls a come runninnnnnnnnnnnnnn
by Austin Martin on Feb 19, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I train IFL.
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I'm thinking of transitioning to GFC
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Everytime I disagree with somebody I’m going to start my comment like this “listen up [insert name] you probably never trained or fought anything.”
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Yeah...
No.
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So, if I beat up a stuffed animal....
does my opinon matter more. I mean, he said anything, and I’ve laid a few beatdowns in my day.
by black dragon on Feb 19, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
He's not kidding.
One time he beat the SHIT out of a Pound Puppy right in front of me.
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vOOOOMMMMM there goes the point over everyones head!
in CA it is legal for diaz to smoke, its almost unanamously agreed that its not performance enhancing, most americans agree it should be legal. why is this even a debate?
brent your point that he is purposely breaking the rules is the most retarded arguement ive ever heard in my life.
go hate all you want.. ill smoke my weed and watch nick diaz prove you wrong over and over.
by waldog on Feb 19, 2010 2:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
"most americans agree it should be legal"
I would debate that statement greatly.
Pot smokers are probably the worst people to ask as to the effects and dangers of using pot, especially in relation to training or competing in MMA.
You're right
It is legal for him to smoke marijuana in California. However the commission that grants him permission to fight does not allow it. Funny you missed the point so bad after you made a joke about it.
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To quote Vincent Vega
It’s legal, but it ain’t a hundred percent legal.
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by jemaleddin on Feb 19, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BS
This whole article is bullshit. So what if he smokes weed. He has a presciption for it and it’s not performance enhancing. The reason he talks openly about it is because he believes it should be legal. There is absolutely no advantage to smoking weed before a fight. None. It’s just something he likes to do and he should be allowed to do it without getting penalized. All the people who criticize him for using it our goodie two shoes little punks that have never even smoked in their lives and have no idea what effect it has on you. I’ve smoked for years and I’ll go to the gym and lift and it doesn’t give me super human strength. Nick Diaz is a great fighter and the fact he smokes weed only helps to break stereotypes about weed smoking. Weed makes you lazy…really, well then how come this guy does triathalons, etc. Give me a break. All the haters are just hypocrits…so have another drink.
by MMAFAN FO SHO on Feb 19, 2010 2:12 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I don’t see it as flaunting the rules so much as showing how ineffective the current testing is. We see Nick Diaz out there competing, and we know he smoked the night before, yet he passes the drug test. What does that say about what other fighters are doing?
Personally, I could care less what a fighter wants to put in his body. But lets be honest with ourselves. Weed is not a PED
From now on whatever event I am planning will be know as the ‘Bas Rutten Invitational ____’
If it’s so easy to pass the drug tests why did he fail after the gomi test and screw hieron over by skipping a drug test?
not performance enhancing, so STFU, this useless bickering is retarded, the guy is a dope ;) fighter
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions
The potheads got wind of this article and suddenly everything started sounding irrational and undereducated.
by nastyem on Feb 19, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dude, look at the threads. A lot of talk about the rules of the game, questions of ethics and law, then
“DUDE! POT IS COOL! PEOPLE WHO DON’T SMOKE POT ARE DUMM!”
Seriously. nastyem has a point.
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Present company EXCLUDED.
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No
Cause he’s a fucking pussy. While all the kids were smoking weed and drinking and getting laid…he was jacking off in his room with his morals.
by MMAFAN FO SHO on Feb 19, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You can use morals to jack off?
Where can I get morals?
by MauiPimpin on Feb 19, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What the hell is going on here
Brett! Come back and delete some of this.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Sorry...
I had to run out. I didn’t think things would get…this bad
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Awww - how sweet!
You have WAY too much faith in this community, pal.
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I just came back to this.
It’s a monstrosity, and you sir are to blame or be congratulated.
Nah, you never know what will aggravate the natives. There seems to be a lot of different wheels turning here.
by Cannon Jacques on Feb 19, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
White trash?
Alone with your morals. I don’t see how smoking weed makes you white trash. Now if you smoke weed with a “get er done” hat on while chewing tobacco…you are white trash. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
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You know you're never posting here ever again right?
If they don’t ban you I give myself a life time ban.
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boohoo i have other usernames and if they ban my ip ill use a proxy so fuck off
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Pulling a Nick Diaz
And flaunting his disregard for the rules. You sir are a grade a Heel.
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u sound like white trash whether ur smokin or not, retard
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:20 PM EST reply actions
BAN ME I DONT GIVE A FUCK PUSSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry...sorry...
I left for a bit. I’m back
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to talk comment on the subject but
Their are too many people trying to be funny
"My fighting career is getting in the way of my Marijuana smoking" - Nick Diaz
"May 8th, whoop a fraggle" - Paul Daley
i love arguin with these republican types :)
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh don't even go there.
As the most liberal green party member here, I think you’re acting like a tool.
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your a tool of the environment, TOOL!!!
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
So how's third grade treating you?
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dont remember it was fun, my cat ran away from home that year so it was a lil hard but i got over it
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it'll be easier the second time around.
Don’t worry, I’ve heard a lot of people had to repeat that one.
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The word you're looking for is "us"
But don’t worry – you’ll catch onto this grammar stuff eventually.
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by jemaleddin on Feb 19, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no the word i was looking for i found, thanks for looking but didnt need help
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
u really suck at this whole insult thing? think a lil more b4 u post
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
You don't sound nearly as stupid
on Watch Kalib Run.
by Jamison Weir on Feb 19, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
im just fishin, whoever wants to bite, we can have some fun
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Your posts say no,
but your lips say, “I’m an idiot.”
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YOU CAN SEE MY LIPS FROM THE INTERWEB?!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
WE"RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that shift thing is cool
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I can smell your breath, that's for sure.
And you forgot to brush.
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u suck, low iq and tryin to insult someone, hahaha, may as well insult yourself
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, are you even trying?
You really need to up your game. You started off so well.
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Hahahahahahaa...
“Oh, it’s irony on a base level, but you can get a hoot.”
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I think you're still getting it wrong.
Also, you should really look into that shift key. It’s SWEET.
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Is that Dr. Drew in your av. picture?
"My fighting career is getting in the way of my Marijuana smoking" - Nick Diaz
"May 8th, whoop a fraggle" - Paul Daley
Man, sock puppets are getting easier to make...
…Walmart must have socks on sale.
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Wut?
"My fighting career is getting in the way of my Marijuana smoking" - Nick Diaz
"May 8th, whoop a fraggle" - Paul Daley
GO AWAY.
And stay off my lawn.
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Ok
Be a dick?
"My fighting career is getting in the way of my Marijuana smoking" - Nick Diaz
"May 8th, whoop a fraggle" - Paul Daley
Oh, you can keep doing that.
Just somewhere else.
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Whatever.
I asked you a question and you gave me some smart ass comment thinking I was attacking you. Get off your horse
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This is actually a chair.
A horse also has 4 legs, but it’s a little different.
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Jemaleddin, you seem like an angry person who takes things too personally. Do you want a hug?
by bigstupidsmile on Feb 19, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but not from you.
And I’m not angry – you should see my smile! (Actually, scroll up and you will!)
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Yeah, you might be afraid of the THC leaching from my bloodstream into your own. I give great hugs though, no man pats or anything.
by bigstupidsmile on Feb 19, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What's your cup size?
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ONE PINT. Heeeeey. I see what you are doing though, equating emotional and physical openness with being not properly masculine and ladylike. Nice zing, duuuuuude. Just let me know if you change your mind.
by bigstupidsmile on Feb 19, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, I just assumed that if you wanted to get in my pants
you were a lady. Haven’t had as much interest from dudes lately – I think I’m too fat to be hot and not fat enough to be a bear.
But I can understand why you’d find me so sexy.
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I do like something to grab on to and I am a gayist. But come on man, hugging not about sexy times.
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When you get to my age you just go for the sexy times.
It’s all you have times for.
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Just became a fan of "Cheyenne Erfani"
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About to become a fan of "Ban Hammer"
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I don't get it.
But that bearded broad’s stuff is hangin’ out.
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People are really Flocking to this thread.
I MADE A WCW JOKE! The good old days.
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"Sock Puppets In Love."
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Its pretty obvious...
….that brent doesnt like diaz much and saw the ceaser gracie interview as a chance to voice his hatred yet again….i thought journalist were supposed to be a neutral party when they report…hmmm….but anyways pretty much 99% of all the bjj peeps i know smoke herb all day and before and after tournaments not to mention all the mma fighters i know that smoke all the time as well…..who cares if he is flaunting the fact that he can beat these tests, you should be reporting on the fact that he is looking better then ever and is a serious threat to any SF ww as well as any UFC ww and what he does when he is not fighting shouldnt be a priority of yours brent. Dont let your hatred of a loud mouth fighter make you look like a amateur journalist at best….horrible article…
Shane Cawin....the next UFC HW champ....Mir......another puffy face with an added broken jaw....Brock you're next
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
First of all, to the haters, y’all need to relax and not pretend like his use is a personal attack on you as individuals. Relax and think about it under the context of his use being used to treat a condition…a condition that has pharmacological treatments that are perfectly acceptable. Let’s not forget that the medications used to treat ADHD are amphetimines! It is flat out absurd that an individual can fight with amphetamines in their system and not THC. I realize there is a commission that has deemed, due to their puritanical and antiquated opinions, THC as a banned compound, but that doesn’t make it right. One should not conform to unjust and unreasonable laws. How many of you here download things? It’s wildly different, but it’s an illegal act that most have deemed ridiculous and worth ignoring, so please, throw no stones.
Also, Cheyenne Erfani, really, cut it out. I am a enthusiastic herb consumer and would be happy to put some in the air with you anytime, but you’re really not making any sort of reasonable argument, you’re trolling. If you ARE going to try and represent yourself as anything but a faded and immature waster, you need to start using punctuation and attempt to spell better. You’re giving the opposing side mad ammo.
by bigstupidsmile on Feb 19, 2010 2:39 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
im not on any side, are we fighting? im just havin a laugh at work, i hope u all dont take this personal, whatever make fun of me, im killin time till lunch
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
oh and im in finance as long as my math is correct i dont care for punctuation
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
me too……used cars?
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The word he's looking for is "Lincoln Logs."
And by that I mean “He plays with his poop.”
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Which is what makes it okay.
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let me rephrase, and im in third grade?
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
No, you had it right the first time.
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Trust me, I have a 3rd grader.
And your sense of humor is RIGHT on his level.
“Knock knock!”
“Who’s there?”
“I FARTED!”
Oh, you kids.
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trolling? u from sherdog or something?
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, trolling, and you admitted it:
“im not on any side, are we fighting? im just havin a laugh at work, i hope u all dont take this personal, whatever make fun of me, im killin time till lunch”
You’re saying shit to get a rise out of people to make yourself laugh, which makes you a troll.
by bigstupidsmile on Feb 19, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he's a troll!
I think he’s exactly as dump as he’s acting.
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Dude
A lot of free time on your hands tonight? ;)
by Michael Hatamoto on Feb 20, 2010 12:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Slow day!
Also: love trolls. They’re delicious in milk.
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i wouldnt call that trolling….to many people throw that word around nowadays..a real troll is someone like OMA…someone who invests there time into the troll and makes it worth it….he is just fucking around…so humor=trolling to you i guess
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Wait, this is funny?
In what way? Like a Tom Green kind of thing? Or more like Borat?
WAIT! JACKASS! That must be it.
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just because it isnt funny to most doesnt mean it isnt funny to him….and i think tom green humor would be over your head…just my thoughts
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Yeah, fart jokes are complicated.
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tbh sonny chiba movies > jemaleddin
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Sonny Chiba is the greatest.
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chris rock is my favorite troll but im starting to like rogan’s material
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
You, young man,
are not allowed to watch Chris Rock until you’re older.
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this jokes gettin old, u need some new material, u need to go to troll school
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
for some good trolling check out jtv mma channels
you can get some practice there
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THANKS!!! soon i will be 10th degree red belt troll
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, are you still here?
Shouldn’t you be working on your homework?
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling
Though that isn’t a be all end all definition, of course…you can even add your own if you don’t agree. I really believe this to be a perfect example and not a misuse of the word….due to the admission of his intent. No biggie though.
by bigstupidsmile on Feb 19, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Individuals may not compete with amphetamines in their system.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6546&zoneid=4
Well stated. Also when has Diaz ever really FLAUNTED it???? Really? The only times Ive ever heard him discuss it is when he’s been asked about it and he is/was just answering a question. Or when someone posts an artice with no real bearing or facts on his Situation, or any sign of him flaunting or discussing it.
How do you Know where Im at? If you dont Know where Ive been...Understand where Im coming from??
diaz>brent in mma and dare i say feature reporting on a mma site
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Yes, Diaz is a better fighter than me.
This was clearly not “feature reporting” this was clearly an opinion piece.
But hey…whatever
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
OK ladies off to lunch, been fun, toodooloo!!!! ;)
by Cheyenne Erfani on Feb 19, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, my bad.
Sorry.
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Not referring to you. You’re points are valid. This entire discussion got out of hand.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 19, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously? A lot of fighters drink- and thats a hell of a lot more destructive. Just because its banned, and still largely illegal- doesn’t have anything to do with whats right or wrong.
I’m sorry, but not all of us live life on the straight and narrow as defined by rules and regulations. I for one fully support Nick Diaz.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but
If they drink before a fight, they get suspended, yes?
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As it has been stated, in the article, in the comments, etc, Nick stops smoking ten days out. That whole aspect of the debate is moot.
by bigstupidsmile on Feb 19, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but are we taking Cesar at his word here?
Because he’s not exactly… unbiased in all of this. And his recollection of the facts seems to change from time to time.
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Nothing Cesar Gracie does or says about this matter is going to make an ounce of difference.
Nothing Nick Diaz does or says about this matter is going to make an ounce of difference.
Nothing Brent Brookhouse does or says about this matter is going to make an ounce of difference.
Nothing any one of us does or says about this matter is going to make an ounce of difference.
It. Does. Not. Matter.
It does not matter if every BJJ practicioner smokes before, after and during their training and during their matches. It does not matter if every person on the planet suddenly decided to get stoned.
It clearly says on the rules that marijuana is a banned substance. If anyone – Nick Diaz, John Doe, whothehellever – wants to fight, they will have to follow those rules. If they do not follow the rules and get caught, they will face the consequences.
If any of y’all wants to light up a joint right now, fine, whatever. If any of y’all thinks it’s less harmful than alcohol or caffeine, fine, whatever. But if any of y’all or anyone else wants to fight under the rules in place, they will have to either follow the rules or face the consequences – completely regardless of what I think, what you think, what Cesar Gracie thinks, what Brent Brookhouse thinks, what anyone thinks.
Why the bloody hell is this so difficult to understand?
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Feb 19, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions
My thoughts...
I enjoy watching Diaz fight and i could care less about him smoking weed; I just dont’ like the guy b/c he’s a cocky sob inside and out of the ring. He puts off a lack of respect for the sport and his opponent that goes beyond talking trash. He just comes across like a douchebag.
Im sitting here at my desk with my bong laughing at all the weed haters.
Diaz should just keep smokin.
by SilverNBlackZach! on Feb 19, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions
If they suck it, they'll piss hot.
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This is really tired, Brookhouse
Marijuana should be a non-issue in this sport and the only reason it isn’t is because of politics.
No, it's because of law.
The law banning pot.
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Funny you should say that
Because the law says Nick Diaz can smoke weed. Oops.
by George Lucas on Feb 19, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
The LAW says that he can't if he wants to get a fighter's license.
This was all covered up above about 40 times. Get with the program.
Also, you haven’t made a decent movie in YEARS.
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There's a difference between laws and rules
One is made by democratically elected officials or voted on by the people and applied indiscriminately to all citizens , the other is created by unelected bureaucrats with obvious conflicts of interest and applied inconsistently when it’s convenient to “make an example” out of someone.
by George Lucas on Feb 19, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
People will bitch about it. But here’s the truth…
No one has the RIGHT to compete as a professional athlete. If you can not follow the rules of your sport…you don’t get the privilege of competing.
As I said, there are plenty of completely legal substances on MLB and NFL banned substance lists. The lists are the lists, regardless of your or my personal feelings about any substance. If it’s on the list…it’s not allowed.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
If you can not follow the rules of your sport…you don’t get the privilege of competing.
That’s the crux of the argument and what Cesar was saying… many people don’t follow the rules and still compete. I don’t think his argument has anything to do with Diaz’ right but more about the obvious hypocrisy coming from the commission whereas his same behavior wasn’t being called out when he was with another, politically connected organization.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What hypocrisy though? That they give a pass to steroid users? No they don’t. They need better testing for everything under the sun, yes. But there’s no hypocrisy that I see.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
The hypocrisy
of him fighting in the ufc while using pot… if that’s true, what other recreational drugs are ufc fighters getting a pass on… that’s the hypocrisy.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I guess that could be his point. But I don’t necessarily believe it. I mean, maybe he just fucked up passing his test using his special method he has bragged about in the past.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
That could be definitely true… but its naive for any of us to believe that the UFC doesn’t have some incredible pull in Nevada.
With so much money on the line, I wouldn’t be surprised if fighters were getting a pass with coke or pot in their system in the fight game.
by bleve_ on Feb 19, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's obviously his point
and it’s astounding that you wrote a whole blog about that quote and missed it.
by George Lucas on Feb 19, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
No, seriously, it's tired
The “list is the list” is the most hackneyed premise about this.
The “list is the list” because of politics. If the regulators can’t justify their regulations in terms of fighter safety or other legitimate concerns, they have no moral high ground to stand on when they and critics such as yourself grandstand against people who break their completely meaningless rules.
“The Rules” do not have any intrinsic value beyond what they do to protect those involved in the sport. If they have no such protections then arguing for their strict obedience is pointless and insulting.
by George Lucas on Feb 19, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Fine. Lets remove any substance that can legally be prescribed by a doctor from the banned substance list. Deal?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
As long as they don’t have any substantive effect on the outcome or safety of a fight, why not?
by George Lucas on Feb 20, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
454 post of the same old crap. It’s hilarious that pot gets so much attention in such a short time span and really disturbing that the same old already been disproven arguements keep coming up. Pot logic just doesn’t work.
It’s really damn simple, fighting MMA is a privilidge not a right, if the athletic commission says peanut butter and jelly sandwitches are banned and you eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwitch before a fight than you are a freaken moron. Legal or illegal is irrelevant, hell steroids are legal with a prescription(most of the drugs on the banned substance list are legal drugs, the medical marijuana card doesn’t affect this issue at all), if it’s on the banned substance list then it’s on the banned substance list and if knowingly you take it before a fight then you are an idiot. All the guys has to do is not smoke pot for two weeks before a fight and before he gets licensed every year and everything will be fine but he can’t seem to even do that.
No one is telling the guys he can’t smoke pot, just that he has to quite before a fight and have it out of his system then, it’s not too much to ask. Heck they ask the same of every guy out there but only Nick seems to be constantly having problems with this. Good grief if you can’t give it up for a couple of weeks before a fight then perhaps you do have a problem with it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
you should have read the quotes instead of the comments. The point is there’s obvious hypocrisy and political manipulation going on… from their perspective.
They didn’t say he should be allowed to use it, they just said he was being targeted… Brett’s perspective that its hurtful to the sport is his prerogative. Those, like me, who could give two shits if he smoked the night before the fight and believe it does absolutely nothing to degrade the sport, have a different perspective… and its ok. Are we really trying to declare a winner on this?
*Brent
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
No worries. A life of “Brett? Brian? Brad?” has gotten me used to it
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm terrible with names
but I thought it was only remembering them when spoken, apparently its translated to reading and writing.
Happen to disagree about this post, but great writing in general, keep up the good work.
It’s hurtful for the sport and himself because he blatantly flaunts it and keeps this issue in the spotlight. His own brother doesn’t have any of these kinds of problems at all (although we know he smokes it too). It’s not hypocrisy or political manipulation at all, it’s Nick Diaz mouth keeping all this negative attention on Nick Diaz instead of just letting it go and getting on with his life. Good grief Cesar is still griping about a fight from three years ago, perhaps if they would stop bringing it up every couple of weeks and griping about it and telling everyone how he still does it and they can’t catch him then most people just wouldn’t care. He gets all this attention for it because he has made himself a target due to the fact that he just won’t shut up about it not because anyone is out to get him for it.
Weed being illegal is a joke and I'm glad Nick's found a way to work the system....
Just because there is a “rule” doesn’t make it right. It’s utter BS. As long as it doesn’t effect the outcomes of fights what’s the harm?
Toke it up Nick!
by JimJoe on Feb 19, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
On a related note......
How awesome would a Amsterdam trip be with Nick and Joe Rogan? I think I’d sign up if that vacation package was offered. haha!
Well that’s irrelevant. Guys who are on Adderall have to stop taking it before a fight too. No one has ever said that Nick has to stop smoking pot just that he has to test clean before a fight. Shit he can light one up the day after a fight if he wants to, it’s not working the system at all it’s what he has always been allowed to do to start with.
Eh, let him take the risks he wants to. Thinking its ridiculous, as Diaz and Gracie do, don’t change the fact that they have to abide by it.
I don’t get how what Gracie said is so offensive.
Nick Diaz has already paid more for smoking up than probably any other fighter in MMA history (i might be wrong?) Bottom line is, he’ll make the adjustments if he doesn’t want to get caught. If doesn’t make them, he’ll get caught again and pay the price. SImple as that.
by TLow on Feb 19, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Word up. This might have been a lot more relevant after he refused to piss, but now that he seems to be playing along with rules, has fought and we haven’t heard of him failing…it seems a bit more like a case of not liking someone and finding an opportunity to shit on them and their beliefs. I respect brent’s right to write an op-ed piece, of course, but really, this just seems more of a personal beef towards some folks he doesn’t like…which he is upfront about…
It’s not like cesar said, “fuck that rule, it’s bullshit and we will purposely snub our noses to it by having nick come to the ring carrying a volcano vaporizer and then we will help him cheat his drug test, for we are an unholy union of Diaz and Gracie…”
And, as for nick being the one who has paid the most in his career due to weed smoking, I think you are right, can’t think of any others…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 5:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You can’t leave after posting something like this man. Shit gets out of control.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 19, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t plan on it. But I saw that early on it was going well. There was a nice discussion going. And then I walk out the door and it blows up
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
It's a stupid rule, everyone knows it's a stupid rule..
And when Nick breaks the rule, nothing happens, ‘cause it’s a stupid rule. The Gomi fight was a no contest? — so what? That hasn’t stopped him from gaining in popularity — everyone knows he’s a better fighter than gomi. These rules are B.S. and Gracie is simply stateing that.
Now if it was real performance enhancers, well that’s a different story, just ask Parisyian or Sherk or Barnett
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by mma_dude on Feb 19, 2010 5:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It doesn’t matter if it’s the most retarded rule ever, it’s still a rule and there are consequences if you don’t follow the rules of the sport. If you want to get the rules changed then that is a completely different topic for discussion but as long as that rule is in the books it has to be followed, stupid or not.
Consequences?
Apparently there are no consequences if you break the stupid rules — only the not stupid ones.
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by mma_dude on Feb 19, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shit it looks like Nick Diaz faces consequences all the time for his pot use, how many fight has he had to pull out of to avoid testing? He had his biggest fight overturned and he’s lost a lot of money due to missing cards, not to mention the whole entire point Cesar was trying to make about how everyone hates on Nick because of pot. Dude racks up consequences like frequent flier miles.
1. I don’t know, how many? — I always watch him fight, he’s been fighting allot lately. There was a gap after elite xc but now he’s with SF. If he did have to pull out of a couple fights, it’s only made him more of a desired commodity (it was probably a good thing).
2. His biggest fight was only overturned in the record books. Not in his wallet, not in the fans minds, and not in the promotions minds (the things that matter)
3. People hate on him — so what? His semi-heel status is helping his career, not hurting it.
Yep, I thought so, no consequences!
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by mma_dude on Feb 20, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1. I don’t know, how many?
He hasn’t been fighting a lot lately. He only fought twice last year which is less than normal, that was due to missing the fight with Jay Heiron.
2. His biggest fight was only overturned in the record books.
Yep but you seem to forget that he was also fined 20% of his earnings and suspended for 6 months after that fight too. Overturning the fight wasn’t the punishment here the fine and the suspension was.
3. People hate on him
It’s becoming unreliable in promoters eyes and having athletic commissions become wary of you that matters here, how many cards getting messed up due to pot issues does it take before promoters start shying away from him? He better be real careful if he goes back to Japan too. Reputation with fans is one thing but reputation in the industry is something entirely different.
You're right...
I did forget about the suspension… But, unlike you and many of the people on this thread, I strongly believe that being popular with the fans far outweighs these other things. If you are a draw, and there is money to be made off you, people will look the other way especially when it comes to something trivial like smoking pot. You’re right, he has to be more carefull then in the past, and he is.
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by mma_dude on Feb 20, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t care about his popularity issues, I don’t think he cares about that either. He worries about paychecks and those are affected by this issue. You don’t get paid if you don’t fight. Nick can smoke all the pot in the world but when it’s causing him to miss fights then it is a problem. I don’t think them asking him to cut it out a couple of weeks before a fight just like every other MMA fighter is too much to ask of him.
I do have to wonder how many fans he would have if he wasn’t a huge pot head? It seems like Nick smoking weed is more important to a lot of people than Nick being a damn good fighter.
That might actually be more to the point...
Is his pot smoking hurting him, or helping him to put money into his pocket. The arguement that he is making less money because of his pot smoking is absurd. He got suspended, took a little vacation, and won’t make that mistake again. Is he still smoking pot the night before a fight — apparently so. Is he one of the biggest draws in all of MMA — obviously. A steroid user could not make these same claims — agreed? Reason being that everyone, probably even the commisions, agree that steroids is worse than pot and should be handled differently, even though it is technically a breach of the same rule.
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by mma_dude on Feb 20, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is he still smoking pot the night before a fight — apparently so.
What makes you think he is? He wouldn’t be passing test if he was. That’s why he has had to drop out of fights and put off getting his fighter’s license in the last couple of years, because he couldn’t pass the test. If I tell you that I will pay you $100,000 for a one day job but you have to stop smoking two weeks beforehand yet when the time comes you blow off the job to keep smoking then pot just cost you $100,000 (you could buy a lot of pot with $100,000). It has directly affected Nick Diaz pocketbook multiple times because if you don’t fight you don’t get paid and there have been times where he hasn’t fought because of this issue.
Athletic commissions treat it the same way they always have, which is why Nick Diaz has missed fights and licensing’s over this issue. Athletic commissions do definatly test him now because he has made such a issue about this and if he’s not clean then he will get fined and suspended again. If it wasn’t a real issue with the athletic commissions that consistantly hounds Nick Diaz career then we wouldn’t be having this article or discussion at all.
As far as him being one of the biggest draws in the sport, I think you may be way overstating that. He does good for himself but he isn’t that big of a draw in the sport. He’s got a hardcore following but how many casual fans know who this guy is or even care?
I'm not sure what your argument is anymore...
Is he a pot smoker or isn’t he? Are you just saying that he is able to cheat the tests? or Are you saying that Diaz doesn’t smoke anymore? Here’s the point I’m trying to make: If we replaced the words ‘smoking marijuana’ with ‘injecting steroids,’ in regards to nick diaz, this post, the fans, the sanctioning bodies, the sponsors, and the promotions, would all look at Nick Diaz in an entirely different way — an unfavorable way (he is currently looked at in a very favorable way by the people that matter.)
In other words, a rule is not just a rule — at least when it comes to the people that matter. All you right wing, by the book, hall monitor’s, don’t really matter (you are the minority and I don’t see the tide changing).
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by mma_dude on Feb 20, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In other words, a rule is not just a rule — at least when it comes to the people that matter. All you right wing, by the book, hall monitor’s, don’t really matter (you are the minority and I don’t see the tide changing).
I may be the most left wing guy you will ever meet politics wise but that doesn’t mean that I’m stupid enough to know that if you piss hot for pot before a MMA fight then you will get fined and suspended for it every damn time. If Nick fails a piss test he will be fined and suspended again and that is just what it is. Sanctioning bodies don’t look at it any differently than any other drug on the banned substance list but you better believe that they do treat Nick differently now, I would imagine he gets tested by them all due to the fact that he keeps bringing it up. If you stop smoking pot a couple of weeks before the fight then you probably aren’t going to fail the test and the athletic commissions won’t care, that is the end all and be all of the story. Political BS is irrelevant to this point, heck I can’t even figure out what the hell you are talking about or what you are trying to acuse me of, perhaps you should lay off the bud yourself for a bit.
If Nick Diaz fails a drug test before a fight, he will be fined and suspended — agreed. And maybe you’re right: Sanctioning bodies don’t look at pot any different than steroids. This has happened once in his career, he claims that he still gets high before his fights, and he is one of the most relevant fighters in mma. But, you’re right, if he tests positive for a drug he will be punished.
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by Tonley on Feb 19, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Its people like you, who write blogs like this, and stick up for this “war on drugs” that are the real problem.
Nick is nothing more than a hero and icon for those of use who fight for personal pot rights. He fights at the highest levels, is successful for all intents and purposes, and enjoys a smoke to relax himself. Some people like bubble baths, some people like a bong hit. To each his own.
Just because “the man” says its wrong, doesnt mean its wrong.
One day, pot will be legal, and this blog will be nothing more than a jealous rant from someone who cant enjoy pot for what ever reason, and therefore, doesnt want anyone else to enjoy it if they cant.
PATHETIC.
by Jesse Taylor on Feb 19, 2010 7:16 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Fellow herb smoker, I could make a point of agreement here, and even claim that access to safer and more effective treatment is in fact a civil right, but you just made yourself seem like a paranoid stoner, and for that, I must roll my bloodshot eyes at you.
EVEN IF I AGREE.
by bigstupidsmile on Feb 19, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
We don't care IF you
smoke, you just can’t fight a sanctioned event with it in your system.
Again…
I have no problem with pot. I have smoked pot in my life and have many friends who do. I.don’t.give.a.shit about pot.
I do give a shit about my sport though.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
How does pot negatively affect “your” sport?
by George Lucas on Feb 19, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I think its fair to say
that those with an opposing viewpoint on this particular subject also care about the sport.
What in the hell are you talking about? Perhaps you should put down the bong and stop with the irrelevant pot logic here. Nick can smoke until his eyes fall out of his head if he wants, no one is stopping him from smoking pot and the legality of it is 100% irrelevant to it being on the banned substance list. The vast majority of the drugs on the banned substance list are legal drugs, hell steroids are legal with a prescription but that doesn’t mean they are allowed in the sport of MMA.
And stoners wonder why the majority of average people won’t take this arguement seriously or get behind the legalization of pot? When your talking crazy talk it just makes your cause look worse.
by who me on Feb 19, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, guys
Wait…what? Oh yeah. IF like, pot is ok for you, then wouldn’t it be, like, better if, like, it was cool to not be on the banned substance list?
Wait, wait, I mean…weed is cool, so even if it’s on the banned list, it should be ok for fighters to smoke it. I mean…wait, yeah. That’s right.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Feb 20, 2010 12:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
my whole deal
on the entire “medical marijuana” argument is that, they have already created pills that allow the “beneficial” aspects of THC to be extracted.
You can pop a pill and get the good parts of weed without all of the effects of getting high. If that’s the case, what’s the point of smoking? you can’t honestly say that smoking weed is not a health hazard. Inhaling anything that’s not normal air is not beneficial to your lungs in any way. Breathing in smoke is not good for you, i don’t care how “natural” it is.
If he’s got a prescription, pop the pills, feel less anxious, or whatever it is that’s plaguing him, and just fight..
people defend weed like it’s some great humanity saving construct. It’s not.
Riding a motorcycle is also a health hazard. Perhaps we should make a rule that limits fighters to only using certain forms of transportation?
by George Lucas on Feb 20, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Well if you want to get technical
many athletes have clauses saying they can’t do certain activities, such as riding motorcycles, skydiving, bungie jumping, because what good are they to their organization of they’re hurt and can’t perform?
So what? they enjoy doing those things, but they have to realize that they are an investment in a larger scale.
Signing a contract relinquishes you of certain rights.
Even if you want to use that arguemnt
That’s fine.
I own a motorcycle. I’m aware of the added dangers of that as a mode of transportaiton as opposed to driving my car. I use the bike a lot because it is MUCH cheaper on gas than driving my car.
But if i’m given a very lucrative contract, that is requiring I stay in top physical shape as often as possible, then ya know what, I’m going to swallow my pride and concede some of the things I enjoy or for the sake of my job. that is, if I want to keep my job.
I have the alternative of driving my car, as opposed to riding my motorcycle to work. I may be spending more money on gas, but because of my contract, and other rules/laws that I’m bound by regarding my job, I’m going to drive my car just to keep things on a good footing.
That’s just common sense. If I don’t want to keep my job that badly, i’ll ride the bike.
It’s as easy as that. But it’s not a necessity since I have other means of transportation.
Jesus, I go to the movies in the afternoon just ONCE, and you all get like this. Apparently I’m the voice of reason around here or something.
Brent, I hope you’re swinging the ban hammer. And feel free to buy a bigger hammer if it will help; the rest of the community will pitch in to cover the cost.
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Brent, don’t be a rules bitch. If you know it’s not a performance enhancing drug, stop being the kind of person who says “EVERYONE MUST FOLLOW THE RULES, EVEN IF THEY DON’T MAKE SENSE”. He’s flaunting the marijuana usage, because it’s illegality is bullshit. And if he wants to get high before every fight, not that he does, it would do nothing but negatively affect his performance, and it is still his choice. He’s exercising his right to civil disobedience, while you’re displaying that you’re the kind of guy who would wait until the traffic lights change before crossing the street, even if there’s no traffic.
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