Tim Sylvia on the denied fight against Wes Sims
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Did they specify who exactly they thought would be uncompetitive?
Tim might be getting ahead of himself.
by Razreshat on Feb 17, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
If I were a betting man, I would guess it is because Profato watches TUF and Strikeforce and saw Sims get demolished. Meanwhile, he does not follow unsanctioned shows in Alabama, therefore he is unaware of Tim getting destroyed by Ray the Merciless.
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by Luke Thomas on Feb 17, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I’m not hep to the new jive lingo, but what the heck does that even mean?
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Lunching
If you’re lunching, you’re crazy.
Perfato is reasonable, educated guy. To suggest he takes his cues and makes decisions about fighters lives from a smattering of various television programs is both incorrect and insulting.
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But, Profato saying Sims “sucks” would be unprofessional and ignorant so maybe I am confused or it was a shitty paraphrase. Maybe Sims is not so good, but Big Tim got trucked by a big Ray. Sims has a resume to warrant the fight happening. Squashing the fight seems like a reach given other matches that are made around the country and world. Given this is the only thing I have to judge the man on, it does not lead me to think “reasonable, educated guy”, what else might I remember him from so I can try to trust his judgment on this?
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OK, but let's be fair here
Ray Mercer, whilst not an elite level MMA fighter, was an Olympic boxer and (in Jens Pulver’s scarily prescient words) “can still thump”. On the other hand, Sylvia showed up weighing about 320lb and looked like his training for the fight consisted of sitting on the couch, eating Pringles and doing bong hits. He lost because he didn’t take Mercer seriously and got smashed in the face with a wicked punch from a guy whose day job involves punching people!
Sims can’t really say the same thing. He lost to an amateur in Justin Wren, a blown up amateur in Bobby Lashley and looked like his training consisted of drinking Mad Dog 20/20 under a bridge and hasn’t really shown the fire he has for giving interviews translates into actually, you know, training for fights.
A heavy handed former UFC heavyweight champion vs. a guy who can’t even be bothered to go to the gym? I have no opinion on whether nixing the fight is the right call, but you can’t blame them for not wanting to touch it.
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on Feb 17, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, like others have said, its a rematch. Sims has a resume that certainly should allow him to fight big tim. Is there anything about the match that will compel me to watch? no, not at all. But that is not grounds to reject a fight. I don’t think Sims is in any emanate danger if the fight happens. Saying it will be a great fight would, I think, be wrong. But nixing the fight is a slight overstep. These are vets with records over 500. In fact, Sims had more pro fights.
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(well aside from the fact that Sims only lasted a minute and a half against Sylvia then)
Have you ever actually looked at Wes Sims record? His biggest career win by a very wide margin was Kimo Leopoldo back in 2006, he hasn’t beat anyone of any quality ever. The fight with Tim Sylvia was six years ago after Mir broke Tim’s arm and Sims only lasted a minute and a half against Sylvia then. Sylvia is a better fighter now than then and Sims has gotten worse. Wes Sims doesn’t even seem to be taking the sport serious now, this was a horrible match up.
Let him fight Lashley, that would be the right thing to do
I’m surprised his name hasn’t come up in these negotiations.
Lashley doesn’t want Rogers either, Coker wants that but Lashley basically said he wants either another low level fight or a title shot against Overeem next.
Lashley doesn’t want to fight Sylvia, not to mention at this point in Lashley’s career that would probably be viewed as a mismatch too.
People like to rag on Big Tim (and lord knows he gives people plenty of reasons) but he is a former world champion who is only a couple of fights removed from fighting the best heavyweight in the world. He should be able to find better opponents than Wes Sims.
I agree. Tim’s got wins over Andrei Arlovski, Jeff Monson, Brandon Vera and was beating the shit of Nog until Nog did what Nog does. No one’s gonna throw Kyle Kingsbury at Chuck Liddel, even though Chuck is far from what he used to be.
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 17, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
People are putting way too much stock in one embarrassing loss where Tim showed up ridiculously out of shape.
I don’t see anyone claiming Benji Radach is a bum, yet his loss to Danny Lefevre is WAY more embarrassing than TIm’s loss to a former boxing HW champion and gold medalist.
his loss to fedor was real embarrassing too
he put up 0 resistance and let fedor destroy him when he was still considered a top hw
"Let Fedor destroy him"
Heh, just like the other 30 guys that Fedor has pummeled into oblivion “let him” destroy them.
Fedor just straight up tooled him. There was no “let”.
Get rid of the ramp!
This is the worst argument ever
Have you ever seen Fedor fight?
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
uh yea i have
he always wins but never in 36 seconds the only fighter fedor ever beat faster was zuluzinzo fuck even gary goodridge lasted longer
sylvia was humiliated in that fight many other fighters have offered plenty of resistance to fedor until eventually losing and sylvia had the ability to at least go a full 5 min round against fedor
"Tim showed up ridiculously out of shape"
To me, this is more than enough reason to give shit for a former Champion. The fact that he lost the fight only makes it worse.
but it could be the wakeup call he needed to get his shit together and not sulk in the aftermath of being Fedor’d
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 17, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think they said yall suck. Timmy
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by pitbull187 on Feb 17, 2010 12:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
have him fight arlovski again
makes perfect sense for both guys idk what organization would have this though…. SF?
Spoken by someone who didn't watch Tim Vs. AA III
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I find this odd
It was a REMATCH. Is Sylvia that much better at this point? Is Sims that much worse? They’re both six years older, and they’re probably both clearly worse. Just seems like a really strange choice.
Look at it this way, Sims just lost to Lashley who nobody is going to accuse of being a world beater, and one could probably infer is a lesser fighter than Tim at this point. If I was running an AC I wouldn’t be to keen to have a guy who just lost to a fighter on his fifth fight step up and face a former world champion.
If I was running an AC I wouldn’t be to keen to have a guy who just lost to a fighter on his fifth fight step up and face a former world champion.
But what if that champion was coming off a loss to a guy who just making his official MMA debut?
SIms loss at least was after more then a year layoff. They are both vets with over 500 records.
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Who cares about their records? Look at the quality of their fights and the quality of the opponents they have beat. Heck look at the fact of how many fights Wes Sims has been uncompetitive in during his career. Look at the fact that 6 years ago when Sims was actually taking MMA seriously he was lucky to last a minute with Tim Sylvia, now Sims isn’t even training for fights. Just having a lot of fights doesn’t mean you would be competitive against a former world champion, you have to look beyond just the number of fights.
by who me on Feb 17, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That was not Tims last fight, it was his penultimate fight. The arguments against this are ridiculous. If this fight went through the odds would have been something like Timmy -1000 and it would be safe money.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
It was more of a mismatch
in 2004, and that fight went through. Tim Sylvia was one of the best heavyweights in the world. Sims was…not. Now they’re two past their prime fighters. I still don’t see what the problem is. Sims needs the money.
Hawaii did not have officially sanctioned MMA back in 2004. That’s why they could book fights like Mayhem versus Gamlin.
What about Vegas when they booked Sims vs Mir?
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what was wrong with those?
And if there was something wrong with those, a bad decision by a different athletic commission should not have much bearing on what a different athletic commission is doing years later.
I don’t think they are bad fights. at least not bad enough to prevent. Wes Sims, while not an upper level HW, is a vet with an over 500 record. He has more fights then Tim. I think denying this fight is not an objective decision. Its based on the impressions that they have of these fighters and not records or experience.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
The impressions need to be taken into account. You can’t tell everything about a fighter by looking at their fight finder.
What, outside of Wes Sims over 500 record and more pro fights then Tim, say “don’t let this fight happen” to you? Yes, the odds say Tim will win in a big, but this isn’t a fighter safety issue. This is denying a man the right to work because you think he’s no good. Not because he doesn’t have the level of experience to step into the cage with Tim.
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by szucconi on Feb 17, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s about quality not quantity, number of fights means nothing if they were against complete nobodies or were horrible uncompetitive losses against little known fighters. Wes Sims has never in all those fights beat a quality opponent, hell he’s never beat a half assed opponent in his career. 38 sub par fights doesn’t mean that he is on a level anywhere close to two time former world champion who is only a couple of fights from fighting the best heavyweight in the world. They didn’t say Sims was inexperienced they said the fight would be uncompetitive and they are right about that.
To reiterate what you wrote
In the last couple years, besides Ray Mercer and Jason Riley, Tim has been facing names like Fedor, Couture, Big Nog, Arlovski, and Vera, while Sims’s toughest opponents during that stretch have been Bobby Lashley and Travis Fulton – two fights he lost badly in.
I still don't believe that is Sylvia's Twitter
No matter what anyone who “knows him personally” says. There is not one shred of evidence pointing towards it being him. I could have made every single post on there and nobody would no the difference. I bet this is a fake account.
Listen son...
It’s his account. Let it go.
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by ANance on Feb 18, 2010 2:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Piss off, I'm not your son, asshole
I’m sorry that you’re so buttsore about this, but if this is really Tim’s twitter, then tell him it sucks, since you guys are best friends.
Tim used to be my favorite fighter, so this is FAR from an attack on him. All I said is there is no evidence that it is his Twitter, and guess what? THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE THAT IT’S HIS.
Has ANance weighed in yet? I feel really bad for Tim, but I bet they probably meant both were uncompetetive. He just doesn’t have the body type to pull it together at his age.
He has been training 2-3 times a day. He still has some good fights ahead of him. With another win here I would think strikeforce would be silly not to sign him. Tim will fight anyone, anywhere, anytime. You ain’t gotta love him to respect that.
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by ANance on Feb 18, 2010 2:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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