Bloody Elbow T-Shirts?
by Beren on Feb 28, 2010 11:16 PM EST
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In some of the fanposts of late the idea of having a Bloodyelbow T-Shirt was brought up. The poll is simple would you buy or wear a BloodyElbow T-Shirt?
Maybe if the response is good; Luke Thomas would be willing to make it happen. Maybe a competition to make the best design would be a great way to get it started?
On a personal note, id love to have one when i go to UFC 110.
Bah.
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I’d definitely buy one. The idea was brought up a few months back but never went anywhere.
by ufc4 on Feb 16, 2010 11:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Here’s how this works: I’m always open to the idea, but my standards are so insanely high that it would take nothing short of me being blown away to agree to it.
Keep in mind BE is now trademarked, so this is a significant decision.
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For me; The idea of a BE shirt would be like site itself, classy and not the typical sherdog, mmajunkie, skulls, chains and all that rubbish. I am pretty sure if you decided to get it done right it would be a massive success.
simple and classy.
An MMA shirt without the usual skullchaingrimreapergothicscriptgarbage sounds like a good idea. Would I be allowed to wear one even though I don’t train MMA and never have?
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Feb 17, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think thats the point; you can be a member of the MMA community without being a fighter or training in something.
I dont want to pretend im a fighter, but i do want to be a part of the community and i would be completely fine wearing a bloodyelbow shirt…
Thats why i left the third option in the poll.
Seems prudent
Since they’re staffers (I think). Still, I’d hate to see them do the work and not have it go through production.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 16, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
"Portfolio building"
The crack cocaine of a young graphic designer.
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by Ubernoober on Feb 16, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha
More like, the crack cocaine of irresponsible business owners.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Tshirts are something you can sell or give away to people that do things for you that wouldn’t take money. Also, you can have any contest you want and just give away a tshirt and maybe people will forget about your YAMMA lamp that they want for themselves. Thing about how much Eliot, a local dj d-bag, gets out of the smell my face deal.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
i doubt many people will get the Eliot in the Morning reference
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
Why am I the only person who thinks Elliot in the Morning is funny? Is there something wrong with me? :(
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by Patrick Tenney on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
i, too, enjoy EITM. DC/MD/VA FTW
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
I'm from maryland
and all I have to say is that the Greaseman in Jacksonville is the best radio personality in the history of radio.
Regardless of city, host, level of sleepiness, I cannot remember the last time a “morning show” made me laugh.
I sometimes laugh during Mike&Mike in the morning.
But yeah, most drive time morning shows are Frankie and the COUGAR!!! and they have a distinct Jimmy Buffet fan voice.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
The other day on EITM he accidently sprayed a numbing agent (made for male genitalia) in his mouth because he didn’t read the label on it, I’m pretty sure I almost crashed my car because I was laughing so hard as one of his co-hosts read off the warning label.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Feb 18, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Obviously you’ve never listened to “Dingo & The Baby”.
by ufc4 on Feb 18, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
JUNKIES > ELLIOT. 10 times out of 10. It’s not even close.
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by Luke Thomas on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well just throwing this out there, since this is an mma site, get the shirt designed by a fighter. Tony Hervey does some work and I could easily get in touch with him about doing something and seeing what happens.
No, thanks
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by Luke Thomas on Feb 20, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
We've had this conversation before
I designed a shirt, Eugene designed a few and Anton designed a few, but nothing stuck. If they printed a quality shirt, I’d buy one. If they wanted to contract me to create one, I’d do it. Everyone around here knows I’m not a big fan of “contests” for shirt designs (or any other creative prospecting), but if they decide to do it and people bite, I’d observe and vote. Problem with that is, free work looks free (even my shirt wasn’t nearly the type of full-blown production I’d put together for a contracted client) and Luke (as stated above) has high standards for a prospective shirt. Sort of a lose-lose unless they hire someone to do it, in my mind.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Exactly, unless there is some sort of compensation for creating the shirt, designers (and there are a bunch on this website) will just submit designs that they wouldn’t feel comfortable submitting to a paying client.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 17, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
More that ppl dont want to be wasting their time designing something that will go nowhere.
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
That too. But part of it is that you don’t put your best designs out for free.
Also if this does actually come to be, let me know. I can get a helluva deal on printing. My friend runs bandsonabudget.com and I’d end up getting the bro price.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 17, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
I vote for a Blackout/Eugene/Anton design co-promotion…
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As a colourblind engineering type I should stay 500m away from any type of graphic design work at all times.
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by Ubernoober on Feb 17, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I cant vote on my phone
But I would buy one. Like ufc4 said, we’ve been down this road and there were a couple cool designs but I think blackout hit the nail on the head; only so much work will go into a design when it may not even be used. I would do it if I knew how, but I work in law so even my handwriting is garbage.
by MauiPimpin on Feb 17, 2010 12:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Ive got a techno viking and a team roxy shirt and I dnt post there so if you guys start up some tee’s you can cunt on me to buy one!
YAMATO DAMASHII
by R.T. on Feb 17, 2010 2:06 AM EST reply actions 20 recs
Only idea I’d have to contribute is keep it simple with no skulls or splatter or anything else. A black American Apparel shirt with some white/gray script on the rib cage “Bloody Elbow”
Something like that would be tight.
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AA is overpriced bull-ish sold by a skeezer
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
It’s over priced when you buy them from the stores, yes. Not over priced when you have a buyer who can get things for you at cost.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Correct
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 18, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
If it looks good i’ll but it.
Make it more like RVCA’s shirts; their fighter tee’s are cool as hell.
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Criteria? Guidelines? Deadlines?
That would defintiely help set off the competition.
yes, some times I'm an old curmudgeon
I'll throw something together to get this started.
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Just a side note... for smoogy
I want a t-shirt that has the Minowa bust on it. For reals.
And Luke will take an Overeem one so he can look at his chest as get jealous of Overeem’s muscles.
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I want a shirt I can put on, like a tuxedo shirt, but with Overeem’s muscles on it. Maybe with built in balloons
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I want this on a shirt for myself
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by Leland Roling on Feb 17, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
He has one already…actually probably several.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
Why does he need a shirt? It’s probably tattooed on his left buttock.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 17, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't been paying attention...
When did Minowa and Damacio Page have a kid?
by Chris Nelson on Feb 20, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Can I put in an order for the Marissa Miller one?
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 17, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Could it be called the Bloody Elbow Signature Guillo-Tee?
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 17, 2010 12:56 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
For the win
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Excellent.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Feb 17, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I vote yes, with emphasis on the “es”, but not the “y” because it can’t make a decision on whether it’s a vowel or not, forget that stupid letter.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
Oh also can we have skulls and fire and chains and fleur de lis and tribal tattoo and eagles and like knives and stuff on the shirts?
Gotta make it classy ya know.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Feb 17, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
how bout
skulls made out of fire vomiting chains onto tatoo’d eagles
youre welcome, BE i’ll give you that idea for free
by phantasma475 on Feb 17, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Why the big to-do?
Isn’t it obvious that each staffer should design a t-shirt an dthen have their name across the back ala rampage etc and Affliction?
We could be wearing a Luke of Kid Nate t-shirt a size to small, to all of our local hang outs. I’m pretty sure that no one would ever mess with us.
Also, how about some BE wristbands to accessorize with?
They’ve been down this road before which led to a dead end. I doubt anyone could come up with something that Luke would sign off on.
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
Luke has high standards, yes. He wants everything to be perfect without taking steps toward perfection. Well, maybe that’s not him, but I have a friend who that description fits and I think Luke is a little like that. Anyway, I think a yearly BE tee release would do well and appeal to BE fans. It could be simple, not something so amazing it can’t be beat and that way it can be discontinued and a new one would come out next year. It would be a good step in monetizing the traffic a loyalty of the BE fans. MMA Nation would be a better logo on a shirt.
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For what it's worth
I have significantly more relaxed standards about any potential MMA Nation t-shirt.
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MMA Nation wouldn’t have to be overly cool or hip, just a basic logo tee and I would wear it. While I love this site, I have always not enjoyed the name. While MMA Nation is simple, descriptive, and not so cluttered with imagery. A BE shirt would be an insider shirt for people who are aware of the site. Also, being a radio show, having swag is kind of a big deal. It kind of fits to have some crappy tshirts with sponsors on it to give out at events. A once a week if ever show is not really at the need for swag yet, but it would be cool swag.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
For you deigners ect;
What would the basics for a t-shirt design entail?
Also luke, I think since you have Trademarked BE (MMAnation?) then your have pretty much created the brand already. Having T-shirts that people can wear to events ect would be a great way to get that brand out to the market.
If you are expecting a high level of professionism them having a designer do it by contrat will enable you to make sure that you are getting the outcome you want. I am pretty sure that to do limitied releases or yearly releases and still turn a profit.
Here's a rule
The shirt has to be red, black or white and have a collar. No, that’s not a joke.
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I vote red,
to many black pos shirts around. Red with white logo, maybe bloodyelbow.com on sleeve in small letters.
I will take 2 xxl in red and 2 xxl in white, where do I send my $150?
by Riney on Feb 17, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What about track jackets?
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 17, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
No
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by Luke Thomas on Feb 17, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lost me on the collar bit, I can’t visualize anything with a collar. Although, any BE-t would be the first MMA t-shirt I would buy.
The collar thing was Leland's idea
Like this:
by ufc4 on Feb 17, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Collar as in three buttons so people with giant fat heads can fit there melons though the head hole? Red is not my color, Black is cool, but I prefer white so I can wear it as an undershirt int he winter and rep things secertly at work. Most of my tees are from the redcross. I am a major blood producer.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
I get the color scheme, but why the collar?
Is it hard to cut the collar off a shirt?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 17, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Graphics are fine.
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by Luke Thomas on Feb 17, 2010 9:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Graphics on a collared shirt?
ugh. there’ s no way that shirt would ever look good.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Sure they can
I have a Strhess black polo with graphics over the shoulder. It’s a nice shirt.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 18, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I.E. (but in the colors specified)?
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@deowade
I vote something simple
A small “B.E.” where the crest is, a large “Bloody Elbow” on the back, and perhaps “Bloody” on one sleeve and “Elbow” on the other.
I seriously said the same thing to deowade on twitter
deowade
that’s tight too…like just the letters BE with some sort of something around it embroidered. I’d rock that for sure.
about 1 hours ago
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 17, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
How aboot a plain sweater with red patches on the elbows?
Aah? Aah? Get it?
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I don't know what I'm talking aboot.
Fedor's Sweater doesn't find that funny
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It can be poppable
But if I see you wearing it popped in public you’re going to catch a savage, savage beating from yours truly.
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by Luke Thomas on Feb 18, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Thinking about it i think a version that is black /w red dress shirt with a smallish BE logo would be great; classy with the whole bloodyelbow/mma/cage fighter thing going on.
A black polo with a red dress shirt?
Umm….
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Feb 18, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno
I want it to be a little more presentable than a t-shirt, but not pretentious. People have to be able to wear it. This might stray more towards pretentious.
But I do think we might – MIGHT – be onto something here.
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Its just an idea; im not really into polo shirts to me they scream popped collar or IT NERD.
i guess its how the person wears it and acts. But there is no rule saying that a MMA shirt needs to be cheap or stuck up…
I am an IT nerd. I wear polo shirts to work. This shirt is sounding like something I could wear to work. Piss on that. As much as I hate skull tshirts and shiny letters, I don’t want an MMA work shirt.
Once I wore a shirt that buttoned all the way down the front. An uncle I have that works in IT (I saw him after work) was pissed about it. he explained that in IT, you are not to wear anything fancyer then a polo shirt. He said “Its our right as geeks to be comfortable”
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
I’ll just say we have different views on clothes wearing and leave it at that, but it sounds like what I’d prefer is not what you’d prefer.
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by Luke Thomas on Feb 18, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I actually wish I could wear a suit to work. If I did, I would stick out like a sore thumb and feel like a ra-tard. I don’t like thinking about what I should wear and suits are easy. But what I prefer to wear and what I do wear don’t always intersect. But I would get the most out of a white simple MMA nation t-shirt. And if I went to a gym I would order one a size too small to show off the guns. If I ran in the mornings, I would order a long sleeve tee to keep the top warm. I am just thinking about when I would wear a shirt like this. And the time I want an MMA Nation shirt for I don’t want a collar. Unless I were the host of the show, so I see why you want something like that.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
A black button down with a Fred Perry type emblem would be pretty tight. So would a polo though with Fred Perry type emblem.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Getting warmer.
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by Luke Thomas on Feb 18, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Luke,
Black Button/Red/White button down with embroidered logo with the letters BE.
Any clue what you’d want as the logo?
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Gimme a day and I can get clearance for that logo. I’m hanging with Alex Eyeball tomorrow night.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
the real United Nations wouldn't even allow the band to get clearance for that right?
haha.
PS
holy mother of god, Glassjaw was so awesome the other day…Hong Kong crowd sucks though.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 18, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the UN kinda came down hard on them. Band puts on a helluva show and Geoff is legitimately one of my favorite people. But the Logo Exists and replacing the UN with BE and United Nations with Bloody Elbow would be awesome.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
I watched a Thursday gig already, but I haven't met Geoff yet.
Darly though, was a pretty funny dude.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 18, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sitting at the bar with Pete from the bouncing souls. New Jersey is alright. Love it here.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 9:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
are there UN shirts available?
I’d buy one in a heartbeat.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 18, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit and again, awesome, love Glassjaw. How many kids on this forum love the hardcore?!
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Feb 18, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
im posting random twitpics of when we met them on my twitter page.
I will use the real concert pics i got for my deviantart. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 18, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I love Glassjaw
But Glassjaw is not hardcore.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
True, whatever genre you want to call them, I pretty much just lumped everything that I don’t classify as punk and hits a little harder as hardcore.
Speaking of, if you haven’t heard Blacklisted, Verse, or Have Heart before do yourself a favor and listen to all three of those bands.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Feb 19, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Saw Blacklisted with the Bouncing Souls in December. Weirdest fucking show.
Still nothing pumps me up more than Cro-Mags or Bad Brains.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 19, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
UN was freakin amazing, I got to see them live before they got all hammered down and shit, was a crazy show man, absolutely crazy.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Feb 18, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I saw them on friday. They were awesome. East coast has such a good music scene it’s retarded. Also, the record could have been huge but the PR guy freaked out when the UN issued a cease and desist and basically just stopped working the record. It still sold 5k but could have been a lot bigger.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I will pop the shit out of that collar. I’ve been watching since UFC 1.
by Jamison Weir on Feb 19, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
sweet lets all get matching tattoos!!!…I’ll go first……guys?…..hay.
Kimbo wants to take your caterpiller and do bad things to it.
perfect timing: story here
Check your spelling people!
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
JUSTIFY YOUR EXISTANCE?
Fuck, that’s terrible.
I mean I have a bad tattoo but it’s the correct spelling. Just a reaaally tattoo.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 6:10 AM EST up reply actions
Since Bloody Elbow is by far the most respected MMA news site,
we need something classy, yet still says we know how to party. Take this idea, and run with it.
Tuxedo rash guard shirts for everyone, you can train and be classy.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
HOLY SHIT.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE THESE UP?
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
not BE related, I just think a tuxedo rashguard is hilarious.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
HOLY SHIT!
Yeah i’m gonna be the weirdo rolling in a tuxedo rashguard.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
weirdo is the right word. Rash guards are hot as shit.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Even Radder
Is I can wear it while surfing.
OH FUCK
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Dude. I'm excited.
Totally want one for training. And my friend is like “Don’t show my fiancee so we can get them for the groom and groomsmen as a joke-gifts.”
"I love it when a guy is bleeding on top of me." -- Diego Sanchez, post fight interview about his fight with Clay Guida
Yeah I have and wear one during training. booyah.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Feb 18, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
A far better gauge of whether people will buy the t-shirt: make them put down $10 deposits. If enough people do it, they get shirts. If not enough do it, they get a full refund.
People will say they’ll buy all kinds of stuff as long as they don’t have to put any money up.
"an excellent example of why most MMA "journalism" is a joke. Pseudonyms like "toxic" and shitty writing like that dopey article"--- Joe Rogan.
You need a design first though. Just so you have idea of if you really would be willing to wear it.
If it’s a button down (pocketless) with a sweet embroidered symbol on it? Yeah I’d wear it. If it’s some dumb graphic covered tshirt? No, I wouldn’t.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
i guess the idea i had and the reason to put up the post was to A) find out if anyone would be interested, B) get an idea of what luke would be willing to do, C) work out what type of shirts people would be willing to buy/wear.
From the looks of it, most people would be willing to buy/support a shirt if it is not chains, fire, skulls, swords, guns, toothpicks, dragons ect and had some class to it. Also if its clear that its a shirt for the community and not fighters or people who pretend to be fighters it would get even more people wearing it.
I made a few designs
I didn’t know what Luke wants so I just went with really basic, random plays with the BE name. I don’t think Luke likes them though, but I’m willing to try other stuff if he wants. :)
I like 6 the best, although the font could use a change. And drop the BE. And yes, Luke will hate these. Unless he creates it, he will hate it. And if he creates it, 85% change he will hate it.
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yeah, i guess.. haha. I just made these things really quick and really simple without thinking much about them. I didn’t want to make a real conceptual, or more detailed one without knowing what kind of stuff Luke would prefer.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 18, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Luke wants: pocketless black/red/white polo or button down with some sort of simple emblem. Try doing a mock up of the UN logo how I described it. I think that’ll be close. Think Fred Perry.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously. I think that’s close to what he’s thinking.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 9:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What should change?
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 9:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anton that’s tight. With my creative direction we can’t be stopped!
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the polos are even nicer, probably a lot more affordable, and please no white or grey stripes on the collar or sleeve….
by ironic sumo on Feb 18, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
yep,
I don’t like that either. That’s just from a random google image search.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 18, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
According to Luke’s twitter
@thisredengine I have to say: we are so close. This is the closest we’ve ever gotten. Needs a few tweaks.
So maybe just find out what he’d change.
I really would wear one of the polos/button downs cause that design is awesome.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 19, 2010 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I’d definitely wear both the button down and the first polo design.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
How about that logo on one of these
Also if you could find buttonless ones those are pretty slick, kinda like a short v-neck with a collar. Still classy looking but a bit more casual.
Seriously
Would the graphic be put on female polos too?? Guys t-shirts on me work alright, but guy polos really don’t work out so well. I like the designs, pretty awesome.
"I love it when a guy is bleeding on top of me." -- Diego Sanchez, post fight interview about his fight with Clay Guida
Seriously, either design here would instantly get my purchase. Make sure us larger men can get one and I’m sold. Subtle, yet kickass. I love it.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Feb 19, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
The top pic without the graphic on the back = win.
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by Patrick Tenney on Feb 19, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
I would wear that to work.
The shirt, I mean. Just weird wearing a pretty lass to work. Nothing worse than the, “Did you bring enough for the whole class?” lecture.
The first picture here is definitely still the best in my opinion, the faded logo and everything kills the bright logos.
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by Patrick Tenney on Feb 24, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
What if you were to add a little red, spider web tatooey thingy on the right elbow of this shirt? Sort of simulating a bloody elbow. Something really subtle.
by WestbergIDFC on Feb 19, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
my above post referring to the black long sleeved shirt
by WestbergIDFC on Feb 19, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
#5 is nice and ugly. I’d wear it.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 18, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rock 3 or 4
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 18, 2010 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
3, 4, and 6 are rockable
but I don’t get along with White Shirts. I’d do 6 if the letters were white.
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I just end up getting them dirty.
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I like a dark blue/red cause those are two colours I can see well.
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I would buy number 8, 6, and 3
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Polo shirt? WTFZ? I like #7. It’d have to be a Tee, no ?
Minimalistic, ya? Something tight like what they do here at Brooklyn Industries.
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I was just about to re-up on some t-shirts. Thank you, sir.
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If you want a cleaner, simpler and cheaper design,
without the messy texture and shading…
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 20, 2010 6:30 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Needs a touch of white somewhere IMO
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okay, I'll try to add some...
but do you think this cleaner version is better than the other one with a grungy-ish texture?
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 21, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yes – it looks crisper, more professional, less douchey.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 21, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
I prefer the grungy-ish texture. But you aren’t going to please everybody 100%. This looks good too.
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I know.
I’m just trying to get what Luke wants, cause all the other opinions won’t matter much if he doesn’t like the design. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 21, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
I like the logo on the back.
With the black & dark red, white will be an eye-sink, drawing all attention to it. Maybe cream or light gray for better balance?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 20, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I think it needs white. Maybe just the letters “BE” in white, with a few touches of white in the laurel
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 20, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
pearl white buttons would stand out without being distracting. The plain laurel on the front is great, but the font on the back is bothing me. Something about the font doesn’t seem right. Maybe BE needs a logo that doesn’t have text for the circle on the back. Then make the letters B and E white in the “BLOODY ELBOW”.
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Personal view is maybe use the white as you would shade a tattoo. Not a ton of it, just enough to add some accent points either at the bottom of each leaf within the laurel or at the top of the leaves. I think maybe just drop the words all together. The BE in the circle alone is really tight.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 20, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I resist calling this site “B.E.”, not sure why, but it grates on me.
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I would never say it aloud, but for expediency in typing..
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 20, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
just so that were clear..
this isn’t the real design.. this was just me fooling around with GSPs picture.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 20, 2010 7:28 AM EST up reply actions
Dig them both.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 23, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
I would prefer not having an enourmous logo on the back...
I like the first one better.
by KyleAskine on Feb 23, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Although I would buy any shirt Luke likes to support the site.
To be honest, I liked the faded look of the first shirt farther up above the best. Maybe integrate a little white in there…
by KyleAskine on Feb 23, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The faded shirt up higher in the posts with the white collar/sleeve cuffs is so far the best looking in my opinion, I think that one just needs a few tweeks to be perfect.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Feb 23, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The only thing I don’t like is the huge graphic on the back, I think it looks better just having the blank back, but that may just be me.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Feb 23, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
I prefer that too,
just putting it out there in case that’s what luke likes.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 23, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
but i would be happy with either...
I just want a BE shirt.
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 23, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
The front logo could use a little downsizing too, still the faded one from up top kills.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Feb 24, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Love the logo
Not digging the mural on the back though. Good work, sir.
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The thing is
I actually like the mural on the back, but would be willing to make two kinds of shirts – one with and one without the back piece.
What do folks think of the latest design?
I like it a lot. I feel like there’s one last tweak to really make it special, but I can’t put my finger on it. These are great, though.
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by Luke Thomas on Feb 23, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Needs some Judo Chop
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by Damon O. on Feb 23, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the red circle on the back, but make the BE black negative space (i.e. no black print, just black shirt). The white letters take too much attention from the circle, which reminds me of Japan.
I doubt it would work or you would get away with it, but maybe try using an eight sided, circle type object instead of a circle. Just an idea.
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Like the name Bloody Elbow, that eight sided object has also been trademarked.
I do agree though about the negative space.
I’m a fan of design 1 just because I’m not a fan of back graphics, especially on a semi-casual shirt. On t-shirts I think you get away with it a little better.
At this point though, I’d buy a polo and a button down just because I would like to support this site.
Maybe instead of pinstripping the outline, maybe just like some tattoo style shading to add some depth?
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 23, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
what do you like better,
the red circle or the unfilled/black one?
by Anton Tabuena on Feb 23, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Some thoughts
…from someone that deals with the production and distribution of graphic apparel on a regular basis.
I know Luke has said in the past that he doesn’t care to profit off of these shirts (and I’m certainly not holding him to that, merely addressing it in the context of this post), but if he does wish to profit from the sale of a quality printed polo shirt (and polos have a very wide range of qualities, so you need to be weary of that), you’re going to be nailing a near 40 dollar price tag on this shirt before shipping. A two color, two sided print on a polo is a four screen print (meaning, consider it the equivalent of printing four colors on one-side), and even rag-tag polo shirts are going to run you close to $5 per (with good quality polo’s running at 7-8/per in high quantities, and exceptional quality going upwards of that). Can you get better deals? Certainly. But not by much. And you’d have to resource someone with a US distribution license and account with a major apparel provider (of which I have w/American Apparel, but doubt I would be able to expedite this process). Now, that’s considering that you’ll order the shirts separate of the printer, then provide them to a screen print shop. Quality screen printers aren’t easy to come by (believe me), and it’s likely that Luke will have to find one local to him if he’s having product shipped-to-shop. Most shops are going to find ways to recoup what little they make from the physical shirt sales w/set-up costs, “color separations” (basically making a few extra bucks for nothing), screen charges, handling charges, etc. Basically, there’s a lot to think about here. I’d be happy to provide some know-how, so long as it is in writing or over the phone. Luke is determined to do a polo (something I am not averse to, though I’m not interested in the current iteration— just my personal taste), so I hope it turns out well and sells well. From a marketing perspective, selling a polo as the first piece of apparel is really daring— small clothing lines don’t usually introduce the likes of thermals/polos/front-print zip-up’s/head gear until the second or third line. A t-shirt is most prudent, most cost effective, easiest to quality control and most consumer/twitch buy friendly. I see a lot of people saying they want to buy the shirt, but I’ll believe it when I see it. The only creative advice I’d add (considering this current design seems to be going forward in some form, no matter what) is that I’d make it clearer what the shirt is representative of. It contains two fonts, neither of which is the font that is utilized on the header graphic, and it isn’t supported by a web-address (which I understand may be aesthetically undesirable, particularly on a polo) or any allusions to the product it represents (the graphic is something of a crest, which could, for instance benefit from a creed/keywords bounding the outer circle). The olive branch/garland has been done to death in likeness graphics, but apparently this is a reference to a band I wasn’t previously aware of.
Just my two cents. Be happy to volley some conjecture with anyone, and weo can email me if he desires. I hope something gets nailed out this time, but either way, people should make certain to thank Anton for dedicating so much of his time to prospecting all of these potential graphics.
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by Blackout612 on Feb 23, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I might have a deal with a place to lower some of the costs, but this is helpful info. Thanks.
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Awesome
You know a lot of people in popular media/marketing, so I figured that was pretty likely.
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Yeah, I think T-shirts would be ideal, but a polo works fine. All I’m saying is the T-shirt is more versatile and can be worn more often. Maybe down the line a Tee will be available with the Polo
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 24, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I hate polo shirts, I may buy this one.
I much prefer the filled logo (top) than the empty one. Also not digging the white outline, though I like the white “BE” on the red.
I can go either way with the backpiece.
Great job on doing all this, by the way.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 23, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll probably buy one regardless of what the final design is, but I like the faded/worn looking red design up above best. Out of these options here, I like the empty circle more.
TBH, I agree with Blackout that the fonts don’t really work well together. And I also like the idea of the tattoo-style shading that’s been mentioned a few times rather than the outlining, it just seems a bit too harsh of a contrast to me, IMHO. All the designs are great though and thanks for doing so much work on this!!!
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I actually prefer the polo myself. I think the logo is too big. Don’t like the mural on the back.
My opinion…
Just have BE with bloody elbow below it in a small font. Dark red. The current ‘red’ looks more like maroon. Perhaps a cherry red would work.
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by timetosaygoodbye on Mar 5, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Or..
BE on the front left(cherry red)
And bloody elbow on the back (top left) in a small white font.
Simple and classy.
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by timetosaygoodbye on Mar 5, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Leaf design on front alone. Leaf, circle and BE on back. “Bloody Elbow” on sleeve or along the bottom on the side, very small. My two cents.
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The cost to screen this would be ridiculous. In reality as blackout said, more color used means higher prices. different designs means different screens.
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by Matthew Roth on Feb 23, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Should we add a “.com” somewhere on the shirt? I mean, we are going to be walking advertisements. People should know what exactly Bloody Elbow is.
As per the previous thread about this; These shirts are not designed to be advertising or else it would just have a big font with the words Bloodyelbow.com across the shoulders.
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wait….no rhinestones?
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by theworldsoldestsport on Feb 24, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions
Again, I'm not sure if you guys will like this,
but here’s another alteration of the design:
and if for some reason we aren’t allowed to use the octagon shape:
This is ridiculous
I went from being all hyped up to buy one, to being really perplexed by some of this chatter. I mean honestly, are we trying to start a new fashion line??
I thought the purpose of the shirts was just to show support for the site that we spend so much time on, all the while spreading the good word.
I didnt know that Luke and Co was considering a foray into the business-casual fashion industry. The whole Burberry style button ups with an MMA news logo (or crest, rather) on it is ridiculous. I am a fan of good design, and I wear a shirt and tie almost every day. But to create shirts that aren’t even identifiably Bloody Elbow is baffling.
You guys need to remember/reconsider what the purpose of the shirts are.
1) The fact that the leading designs all have “Bloody Elbow” on them makes them “identifiably Bloody Elbow”.
2) Look at Fightlinker’s shirts – they don’t have the site’s name plastered on them, yet sell well, so it isn’t “baffling”.
3) Ultimately, Luke is the client, so he gets what he wants, and most people on here will buy a polo, making it profitable.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Here’s a simple solution: if you don’t like what we propose, vote on it with your dollars. That means don’t buy it if you don’t like it.
But if what your conception of shirt making for websites doesn’t match up with mine, don’t assume yours is better. It’s not.
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so is the latest design closer to what you want,
or farther?
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 1, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
So we are still doing T's for the siite?
With all do respect I do casual (T-shirt) and formal (button down) and would love to support BE. I don’t work in a cubicle though and can’t do a polo.
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This needs to happen NOW
I’ve always wanted a way to recognize fellow BE members when I’m out watching the fights, and now that they’re going to be showing UFC 112 at theaters, this is the perfect time to do it.
Just slap the logo on a shirt. Even the words “Bloody Elbow” in the font and without the background if it would be too expensive. We’re just looking for a way to self-identify in public so we can recognize each other in person and have the same kind of interesting conversations we have on this board.
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comments on the hexagon/octagon design?
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 1, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Hexagon = White Cage
Which = Awesome
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So far this is the cleanest design IMO
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by Benicio on Mar 1, 2010 4:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Second that.
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me too
maybe with some shading under it to help set it off?
RE: the cage + white borders it seems a little too bright or overstated, i like the simpler versions.
I'd like a design that reminds me of the website
If not this exact logo, then at least the words “Bloody Elbow” in this font:
I think a lot of fans of the site are looking for a way to self-identify and distinguish themselves from potential douchebag fight fans, so the more it is immediately recognizable and associated with the website, the better.
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by thetakeover on Mar 1, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That said ...
Put me down as the first order for whatever t-shirt gets Luke’s approval—assuming the popularity of this thread and the upcoming UFC in theaters is enough to overcome his well-earned skepticism on this longtime Fanpost subject …
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
*"identify [with bloody elbow] and distinguish themselves from potential douchebag fight fans"
that is exactly how i feel and why i put in the third option in the poll.
re:the shirt : i like the logo font but after reading some of the advice blackout and co had about printing that would be a nightmare to screenprint me thinks.
not to mention that logo would look shit on a shirt.
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by Benicio on Mar 2, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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