UFC.com Announces Anderson Silva vs. Demian Maia at UFC 112
by Nick Thomas on Feb 13, 2010 12:07 AM EST
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According to Heavy.com:
Very strong rumors are circulating from the West Coast that UFC middleweight Demian Maia (12-1) has been chosen as the replacement for the injured Vitor Belfort and will face Anderson Silva for the UFC middleweight title at UFC 112 in Abu Dhabi.
Sources close to the fight say the bout has been verbally agreed and will be signed shortly.
Update (by Kid Nate): I have to be skeptical that this match will happen but if it does it'll be because Abu Dhabi has no athletic commission. From the medical suspensions after UFC 109, via MMA Mania:
Demian Maia: Suspended until Aug. 6 (eyelid laceration) unless cleared early by an ophthalmologist or ocular-plastics doctor
Update (by Kid Nate): Well I'm eating my crow fresh tonight. From UFC.com:
"It’s always tough when a top fighter like Vitor Belfort has to pull out of a big title fight, but we have found a high quality replacement," said UFC President Dana White. "Top contender Chael Sonnen was not available due to injuries sustained in his fight with Nate Marquardt, so top six middleweight Demian Maia will step in to fight for the title. Maia is an Abu Dhabi grappling champion, a five-time Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champion, and he is 12-1 in MMA and coming off a win over Dan Miller at UFC 109. Anderson Silva vs Demian Maia will be a matchup between MMA’s best striker and MMA’s best grappler."
Unless Maia is cleared by a reputable medical specialist, I have to strongly disapprove of the UFC's decision to book a seriously injured fighter for a fight in a venue with no athletic commission.
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Soooo disappointed.
I would rather have seen Marquardt/Silva over this.
by Razzel on Feb 12, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It was a lose/lose situation once Belfort went out and Sonnen couldnt replace him
but if you look at it
Sonnen – Beat Marquardt but lost to Maia
Marquardt – Beat Maia but lost to Sonnen
Maia – Beat Sonnen but lost to Marquardt
I probably would have gone with Akiyama but that is me and there is a fair amount of people that think he lost to Belcher (I’m not 1 but they’re there).
As for Nate I dont see how you can justify giving anyone a title shot coming off a loss.
I Second that Motion
Marquart hands down is a more competitive and entertaining fight against A. Silva than Maia.
So what Nate lost to Sonnen. He was competitive and almost finished the fight against Chael a few times. Nevermind in Pride rules the decision might of gone to Marquart.
Come ON Zuffa! Give the fans a better fight for the belt not Silva/Leites 2. Drop this one like a bad habit. Ironic that it will be almost exactly a year from the Leities fight if Maia stays on this card against Silva. UGHHHHHH!!!!
by KillerInstinct on Feb 12, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Take a breath fellas.
A likely timeline for Anderson Silva.
Maia: NOW
Sonnen: NEXT
Belfort: AFTER
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to say it for Belfort’s sake, but I don’ t honestly know if he’ll get his shot now. He might, but I don’t think its a sure thing. He was the right man at the right time, but now he’s not so much. Keep in mind Shane Carwin.
Belfort has been around for a while though.
Carwin has only been around the MMA world for a couple of years.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
True, but interest really hsa only gotten big about him in his past couple fights, with two impressive first round KOs. I hope you’re right, but right now he might be third in line for a title shot. And Hendo was ’given" the title shot after UFC 100, remember.
The HENDO THING.
Jay Heiron is a free agent and Strikeforce is not really comitting to giving him a title shot until he signs a new contract.
Hendo’s victory at UFC 100 was his last fight on his contract. Hendo and Dana seemed to be on different pages when it cames to contract negotiations. I think that played a bigger part than people realized.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
wow I posted mine like 1 minute after you did.
The fact that new contenders emerged when Hendo was trying to negotiate hurt his cause and without a new contract, he had to know there was a 0% chance of a title shot.
But the Hendo situation was different
Dan had to know going in there was a 0 % chance of him getting the title shot without a new contract in place.
I believe if Hendo had resigned right after 100 and Affliction:Trilogy had gone down he probably would have gotten his title shot but not resigning right away and then Trilogy getting cancelled and Belfort koing Franklin hurt his chances.
This will be a ghastly murder scene.
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If Marquardt could level him in one punch, then what will Silva do…?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 12, 2010 9:06 PM EST reply actions
I'll wait for the UFC to comfirm this.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 9:08 PM EST reply actions
done
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 12, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm...so does Sonnen still get the next shot?
or maybe Sonnen vs. Belfort to determine the #1 contender?
Its still a damn good fight ...
and I dont mind. Id rather see this than have Silva not fight for another 5 months.
hard not to pick silva, but one takedown and this is a different fight entirely.
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And Maia has been KTFO’d by lesser men than Silva.
by ufc4 on Feb 12, 2010 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Since when is “men” a singular term?
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by FlyByKnight on Feb 12, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this exchange
sums the whole debacle up. If Nate hadn’t found a hole in Maia’s game in less than 3min, I could hold out hope for Demian to get it on the floor. I have no doubt that this fight end there, by way of a Silva beat down/ ko.
A hole
that was Demian throwing head kicks to start a fight. He’s learned. The Marquardt fight is not evidence of how this will turn out.
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I really thought you were calling him an asshole
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 12, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
...
I really should have thought about that before I posted.
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I didn't realize it
until it was pointed out, lol
How did carwin know? That’s random
by MikeD32 on Feb 12, 2010 10:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If this isn’t over shockingly quickly, it has the potential to take the award for most boring fight ever. It may beat out Silva vs. Leites.
Maia has said before that he won’t ever let a fight get boring. He’s going in there to finish fights regardless of it’s him getting finished or his opponent. I don’t think he cares if he gets knocked out.
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by jebushchrist on Feb 12, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not alone
in thnking this fight doesn’t make it out of rd 1.
This is MMA
We all thought that no way Sonnen would beat Mardquardt, Gonzaga would beat CroCop, Griffin would beat Shogun, etc.
Thought Maia was medically suspended til August 6th?
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The eyelid thing is freaking me out. Silva might blind Maia if things go badly.
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
by judonerd on Feb 13, 2010 3:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is what I thought would happen.
It sucks. But it’s a shitty situation. You can’t give someone a title shot who just got dominated for 3 rounds. (Nate) At least we’ll see two champions murder the comp that night.
by Myke25 on Feb 12, 2010 9:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
lame
1) Maia is going to butt flop just like Leites.
or
2) Silva is going to KO Maia if he stands with him.
No reason to buy PPV. I already gave you the results. Worst possible match up ever after seeing Maia get KTFO’ed by Nate.
I actually disagree
Because if you remember, after the Leites fight and all the backlash. Maia insisted he would not employ that strategy.
ok
but like I said.. If he doesn’t butt flop.. he is going to get KTFO’ed faster then Forrest.
Maia’s stand up has improved.. but his striking is like 15% of what Anderson’s is. That’s not competitive, and I for one wouldn’t buy a card with that as a main event that is already going to be on tape-delay.
I’m calling it right now 225k PPV’s!
by virginiatech on Feb 12, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
You do realize this card also has
Penn/Edgar
Hughes/Gracie
Besides you do realize you can order this card live you just have to do it saturday afternoon instead of saturday night.
lol
You’ve actually bought in to that DW koolaid? What the hell is this world coming to? You guys actually think these match ups are legit and worth your hard earned money????
Edgar is not that good, to small for LW, and his record is made of almost entirely of decision victories. Is that a match that is going to get me pumped up? No. The fucker hasn’t even secured his place for #1 contender (real one is Gray, and hes boring too), and hes getting a title shot.
Hughes vs. Gracie.. you can’t honestly think this justifies paying $50? A Matt Hughes that doesn’t really want to fight competitively anymore vs. a 41 year old guy who hasn’t looked impressive since 2006.
by virginiatech on Feb 13, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, I will be paying 50 bucks and like these matchups. Mind ya business.
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
by judonerd on Feb 13, 2010 3:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Because who really wants to see 3 of the best p4p fighters of all time on the same card...
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by Anthony Pace on Feb 13, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Good Lord
Please go back to the Sherdog forums and never come back.
Oh you're witty
Care to elaborate why you’re so butt hurt? Do you want Maia to wrap his big manly legs around your torso?
by virginiatech on Feb 13, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Are you enjoying proving his point?
or is that just an added bonus?
by Trysdor on Feb 13, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
At least, Anderson will be fresh to quickly turn around and fight Sonnen soon.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 9:14 PM EST reply actions
Very. Good. Point.
Didn’t think of it that way, but I like it alot. Anderson may not get hit once in this fight.
by CaptainSpaulding on Feb 13, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
For those saying Maia is going to turn into Leites, you’re dead wrong. Maia actually respects the sport too much to let that garbage happen again.
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I think they chose mia over nate since Mia is coming off a win and Nate just lost. And also Mia is a bjj guy and since bjj is huge in abu dabi it works out well.IMO
Maia.. HERE IS WHY.
Maia was the 2007 ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship which I believe is run by the guys who are co-promoting with the UFC in Abu Dhabi.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're right
Look at who they’ve lined up:
Renzo Gracie
BJ Penn
Demian Maia
Notice a trend on the main card with regards to style?
Maia via flying scissors heel hook
by ufc4 on Feb 12, 2010 9:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
He should practice this every day until the fight
by MikeD32 on Feb 12, 2010 10:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Carwin already said to look for a flying armbar when he fights Mir, so anything is possible. Lol.
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by FlyByKnight on Feb 12, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not bad, not bad.
Let’s remember that before Nate’s one-punch victory over Demian, there was a growing chorus of people who were of the mind that Maia’s ground game was just thing to potentially end Anderson’s reign atop the division.
Anderson’s takedown defense even remotely close to the rest of his game. If this fight somehow ends up on the ground, things could end quickly. I don’t think that will happen, but I wouldn’t exactly call it a long shot, either.
Besides, this makes it more likely that everyone will get to see the fight we wanted to: Anderson vs Chael.
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by a tommy point on Feb 12, 2010 9:18 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Exactly. I love how everyone is wanting to see Silva/Sonnen. yet no one is remembering that Maia made Chael Sonnen look like a nobody just a year ago.
“Anderson’s takedown defense isnt* even remotely close to the rest of his game.”
Bah, I no can do typing. Stupid fingers.
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by a tommy point on Feb 12, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
How does it make that fight more likely? If Belfort is the #1 contender then Chael will most likely have to take another fight before his title shot where he could very well lose.
by ufc4 on Feb 12, 2010 9:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
- and #2 contendors are hurt. It was a tough situation.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly? Screw Belfort. He didn’t deserve this title shot. It was given to him mostly on name recognition and the fact that there was no one else in the division who had stepped up. Well now someone has.
Chael has actually been working his way up through the division and has earned his place.
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by a tommy point on Feb 12, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not blaming Vitor for anything. I just don’t think we should feel as though he’s getting a raw deal here, assuming Sonnen still has the next shot.
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by a tommy point on Feb 12, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
True, he has said as much.
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by a tommy point on Feb 12, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
That doesn’t answer my question- IF Belfort is the #1 contender how does this make Silva-Sonnen more likely?
by ufc4 on Feb 12, 2010 10:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kinda like how Wanderlei Silva doesn’t deserve any top 5 fighter anymore, but keeps getting them regardless, right?
It’s interesting to see ‘fan favorite’ Wandy get thrown awesome marquee matches over and over again, even though he hasn’t been the same fighter since..hell, Pride, and no one has a problem with it. Meanwhile, ‘The Phenom’ has actually made a nice little highlight reel of knockouts in his past few fights, but still can’t catch a break with the MMA fans.
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There’s a HUGE difference between appearing in a “marquee” fight and a title fight.
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by a tommy point on Feb 13, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
There was a growing chorus of people who thought that Maia's ground game was Silva's Kryptonite
That’s true, I was one of those people, and that’s why I think this is a much more interesting fight then Chael Sonnen’s ‘bury my head in his chest’ BS
The problem is that Nate could dominate the same way on the ground, has a better chin, and has better stand-up than Maia
The only thing that makes Sonnen more likely to ‘beat’ Anderson Silva than Maia, is that Sonnen proved he has a good chin in his Marquardt fight
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Him and Akiyama were the only 2 viable options at 185 so i am not surprised to see him getting the nodge as they have plan to use Akiyama in a return to japan late in 2010!
Thiago Silva at 205 would of been another good option…
I would of Seen Akiyama as a perfect plan but i guess they really want him to fight in there japan card since they did not use him since about 7 months!
As Kid Nate just pointed out Maia is Suspended until august 6 …. i think we will see more devlopement on this fight!
I still think Akiyama would be a better option!
Really?
He lost on my card to Alan Belcher. He presents zero threat to Anderson. At least Vitor had the hand speed and KO power, Maia has the sub game, sonnen has the smothering wrestling.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 12, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, but...
Belcher may be more interesting because he is a standup fighter who is going to talk some trash.
I think that if it hits the floor Aki as got little less chances to get a Sub but more chances to get the g&p finish then Maia and Aki would have less problem to take AS down …
Do not forget we already saw what a BJJ black Belt could do against AS and it was not impressiv… Maia is not that much better then Leites at this point of his career and that is in part why i think Aki would be a better matchup!
The take down factor plays a lot in my mind i do not even think Maia comes close to taking AS down!
Really the ufc is doing a show in late 2010 yesssssssss
Do u happnen to remember where u heard that at? pl send link if u have thanks man for the info,
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/2/10/1303993/winner-of-michael-bisping-vs
I hope this satisfy your curiosity!
confirmed by the ufc
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=71359
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yep...
it’s official
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 12, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
hope that there isn't a curse
that follows this card. Maybe maia’s striking will be improved by a stint training with james toney. He could at least learn the side check kick.
MMA's best striker vs MMA's best grappler
I like that.
I tought Maia had a cut on his eye. Will he get clearance?
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
The eye doesn’t look that nasty to me. This really isn’t a big deal
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
I don’t think it matters if it doesn’t look bad, if a doctor said he should be off until Aug. 6th than the UFC had no right in putting him against Silva. I don’t get it, if there is no commission there, and the UFC is just going to neglect what the home commission had to say, than they might as well do other things that are regulated in the US, such as roids.
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SI_JoshGross Talked to Keith Kizer about Maia’s med suspension. There’s no minimum sit-out date, so if a doctor clears him, he’s fine to fight April 10.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 12, 2010 9:35 PM EST reply actions
Thank you! i dunno why eveyone was so up in arms about the medical suspension. The cut isnt nearly as bad as Sonnen’s and Maia can be cleared to return well before the fight date, barring any hicups.
by sadface on Feb 13, 2010 3:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sure it can...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 12, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Demian Maia
Record: 12-1
Submitted Chael Sonnen last year.
2007 ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I agree...
I’m sick of this thales leites BS… This is the best p4p fighter in the world, why does the UFC keep robbing us?
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
if you think getting the #4 guy in the world on short notice because of an injury is being robbed, how on earth do you enjoy this sport?
Marquardt is a better fight for Silva — and he has been for Silva’s last few fights.
Can’t you see that?!
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What about a highlight reel showing nate’s destruction. the knock outs, the pile drive, the choking of chael…. They were able to promote leites for christ sake — give me a break
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I really don’t see why that’s important. This is fighting — not the world cup.
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It’s important because he just lost. If Nate Marquardt couldn’t beat Chael Sonnen last week how can anyone pretend he has a chance against Silva next month?
We should have let the vikings play in the super bowl/
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 13, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Something tells me the style of a guy who just got dominated by Chael Sonnen isn’t going to matchup well with the best fighter in the world.
Exactly
Are people just being difficult on purpose, or does the idea of LOSING a match not matter at all anymore? Even WWE/pro wrestling respects the notion of a ‘winner’ moving on while the ‘loser’ has to deal with non-title matches until they win again.
The figher with that style you’re so high on has been TKO’d by Anderson already.
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by a tommy point on Feb 13, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
A fighter with EVERY style
has been TKO’d by Anderson already. If you only give Anderson matchups against fighters with styles he’s never beaten, Anderson would have to retire today. There would be no one to face him. Maybe bring in some Rex Kwan Do blackbelts or something. That’s part of the whole “Anderson’s one of the best fighters of all time” thing. He’s beaten every kind of fighter you can think of. He’s beaten a fighter with a style like Nate Marquardt, even if you don’t count Nate himself.
Not sure how that's relevant to my comment.
I’m not arguing for anyone’s style here. Merely replying that Nate’s style, which mma_dude claims should be the reason for giving the title shot to Nate over Maia, didn’t do much of anything the last time he fought Anderson.
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by a tommy point on Feb 13, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
My bad
it’s just a pet peeve of mine when somebody says Anderson’s already beaten a striker or a wrestler or whatever. Thought that was what you were doing. All the the threading was confusing me. I apologize.
Who Cares About Nate's Loss
Make fights fans want to see & pay for. Nate/Silva is 100 times better than watching Maia/Silva.
Nate has been “next in line status” for a while. He KO’d Maia, & it could be argued in Pride rules the decision might of gone Marquarts way against Sonnen (Nate inflicted more damage, nearly finished Sonnen a few times etc).
After Penn/St. Pierre I, GSP won but got injured & couldn’t fight Hughes. So they brought in BJ Penn even thou “he just lost”. We all got a very entertaining fight as well (3 round exciting fight).
Nate will be WAY more competitive & exciting against Silva than Maia hands down!
by KillerInstinct on Feb 13, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
it cannot be argued by any rules that nate beat sonnen, he got his ass kicked.
If you are completely insane and think that he would have won under pride rules it doesn’t matter, because the fight was not fought under pride rules.
Don’t bring up fights from 4 years ago for precedent for bringing someone in after a loss, the sport is in a completely different place today.
Nate wouldn’t have won under Pride rules, dominance + damage are the bases for winning a fight, not just damage.
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I'm Talking About How UFC "Could Promote" a Potential Nate/Silva Fight
Guys relax all I saying is it could be argued under Pride rules that Decision could of gone his way if they wanted to promote it.
All I care about is seeing a more entertaining/competitive fight than watching A. Silva/Leites 2.0
Nate/Silva is way better.
by KillerInstinct on Feb 13, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
but there is no way Nate would have won that under Pride rules. The only place Nate could have potentially won is under the old Rings rules where GnP was illegal and Sonnen would have gotten DQ’d.
Under Pride, they give more emphasis to the submission aspect of the ground game more than they do for GnP, if someone is taken down and just does GnP and does not appear to be finishing the fight, they would stand them back up. But given how the fight went, Sonnen would continue taking him down at will, and by dominating, he would definitely have won the fight, no doubt in my mind.
If you’re talking about how the UFC could disingenuously say that Nate would have won under Pride rules just to promote a fight for Nate/Silva, I don’t think they’d ever do that because it would harm their scoring system. They are not going to promote a fight saying that in another promotion fighter X would have won, that could potentially make people second guess their own scoring system.
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Not Arguing with Your Points
Just saying you can spin and promote a fight anyway you want.
You can look the totality of his fights after his intial loss to Silva to now and easily see that no one else in the MW division besides Sonnen is more deserving of a title shot nevermind be more entertaining & competitive than Nate.
IMO fight fans even yourself Orcus would prefer a Nate/Silva over Maia/Silva. And if your trying to use squential rational that Nate just lost, your depriving yourself of enjoying the best fights possible.
Nate has great wrestling, he was just trying to go out there and give a dominating performance and was over anxious. Throwing haymakers, flying knees that were damaging and entertaining to see but cost him the fight. He could of fought a conservative boring fight since he was a virtual shoe in for next in line title fight. But no he wanted to be convincing without question so another future upstart like Vitor would not come in and cut in front of the line.
The fact that he takes risks like that would be way more entertaining against Silva. I don’t want to watch Anderson avoid Maia’s guard for 25 mintues everytime he butt flops because Maia has no stand up skill or can’t take Silva down.
by KillerInstinct on Feb 13, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry, but I don’t agree with you. I really don’t think Nate is deserving of a shot right now, Sonnen for sure is and Maia needs another win (perhaps a rematch with Nate) before getting the shot. I would rather have them wait until Sonnen is ready to fight or have Andy fight at LHW right now instead of a match with Maia, but between Maia and Nate I think Maia is more deserving of a shot right now. For one, his fight with Nate was over in the first exchange of that fight, it wasn’t a dominant performance as we saw last week (and by dominant I mean a dominant fight, obviously KO’ing your opponent in the first exchange can be considered dominant too), if they were to fight again I’m sure things would not go the same way it did (I’m not trying to take anything away from Nate’s victory though). I really didn’t buy Nate’s hype as most people did.
But you can’t just assume Maia is going to fight Silva the same way Thales did, they are two completely different fighters. Maia actually always tries to engage, so I really don’t think he’ll be "butt flopping" for the whole 25 minutes, I think he’ll definitely engage and lose by TKO or KO.
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He would have still lost under Japanese rules but....
The fight would have been stood up more often. Chael had to take some punishment everytime he took nate down. In pride that would have equalled more punishment for chael. Also, the submission attempts and possibly the damage from the bottom would have weighed heavier in the judges minds. Finally, knees to the head of a grounded opponent, there was that instance in the fight where Nate would have finished if he had that weapon.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
If knees to the head were allowed, maybe chael would have moved to the front and kneed nate’s head instead of riding his back when he had the chance.
Also, Nate would have been DQ’d for elbows.
Also, none of that is relevant, because Chael kicked his ass.
I guarantee you that Nate would be up to the fight against Anderson. Why isn’t Sonnen?
Answer: Because Sonnen got his ass kicked, not nate!
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Too bad Nate isn’t up for the fight because he lost.
He didn’t get his ass kicked, he got cut, and he has other plans for the month
Has the fact that you haven’t been able to convince anyone that Nate won since Saturday really escaped you?
I'm not trying to convince anyone that Nate won...
Only that Chael is a bore who doesn’t belong fighting the P4P greatest.
He layed on Nate for 3 rounds and after all was said and done, Nate was fine and chael was gashed up.
But yes, your right, Chael won.
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naw man, the rules in Pride much more favors Chael than it does Nate given the fight we saw. and one attempt at submission does not erase the GnP Nate received. GnP is scored in Pride just like it is in the UFC, they only stand you up if you don’t seem to be able to finish the fight from there (think Kimbo vs Roy Nelson), but if they are doing damage like it did in this fight, I think it would have continued on the ground. Maybe only one or two stand ups throughout the whole fight in Pride.
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
Honestly
and this really is not that I’m a Nate fanboy, I didn’t see the damage some people are saying that chael gave nate. Those ‘slaps’ would have prompted a standup in some japanese promotions — although the slaps would have prevented a penalty card in dream.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Stop with the japan nonsense. It’s just nonsense. The fight wasn’t fought in japan.
If the Super Bowl was in a football league that gave you 20 points for throwing interceptions, the colts would have won, but it wasn’t so they lost.
Nate lost. Get over it. You can say you aren’t a nate fanboy all you want, but your whining since saturday shows otherwise. Every other reasonable nate fan in the world has gotten over it, he got beat. Get over it.
Dude... What's your problem?
I’m over it. I’m not whining that he lost. I’m saying that just because he lost shouldn’t mean that he can’t fight Silva.
Why do you even watch these fights? All you care about is who’s #1? Is that it? Thales Leites was a good match-up for silva ’cause he beat nate and some other dude.
Man… you don’t get what this is all about.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
I do think they were damaging but I do agree that it would have got stood up in Pride as well, just not that frequently and the end result would have been the same. I do have to agree with Phildo though (although not with the same language he’s using :p), the fight was in the US (even though I think the end result would have been the same in Japan). It’s really a moot point.
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
btw
I’m a Pride nuthugger and love their scoring system, I just think the end results would have stayed the same there as well.
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
Maybe you're right...
This is really a tangent to what I’ve been argueing in the thread:
Nate/Silva would be the most interesting match-up given the circumstances
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Seriously?!?!?!
Not only did he just lose, he lost by getting thoroughly dominated by a fighter below him in the rankings. None of that warrants a title shot.
Why not give Rolles Gracie the next crack at BROCKLESNAR while we are at it?
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 13, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
because Rolles does not have 8 wins in the UFC and didnt knock out the next title challenger in 21 seconds.
Everyone keeps sating Nate lost, so what. Maia is on a 1 fight win streak, ONE! Come on styles do make fights and Maias TERRIBLE striking is not a good match for the best striker in the world. Nates only weakness is wrestling so does he match up better w/ silva? I think so. I also think Silvas ground game is underrated. If this fight does hit the ground(it won’t) its not gonna be over just like that.
by xbuckeyex05 on Feb 13, 2010 10:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nate lost, so what?
You dont lose a fight and then fight for the belt in your next fight. This logic is beyond absurd and anyone who subscribes to it is either crazy or nut-hugging.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 13, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Way too early for Maia.
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by Benicio on Feb 12, 2010 9:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
1. Belfort is hurt. Out 6-8 months.
2. Sonnen is too hurt to recover in time and he’s running for political office.
3. Nate: Just got beat for 3 rounds.
4. Demian Maia:
+ Just won.
+ Is 12-1.
+ He submitted Chael Sonnen.
+ Abu Dhabi guys know him because he’s fougt in their submission championship. 2007 Champ.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
not trying to speak for benicio, but i dont think he’s arguing with the matchmaking. that makes fine sense. giving maia a title shot this early in his career on the other hand…
how complaining about maia getting a title shot this early in his career not complaining about the matchmaking, he’s number 4 in the world, sometimes you get the shot before you’re ready, but if you’re the best available, why not take it?
He’s not the best available — Marquardt is. Why Marquardt had to fight Sonnen first is beyond me. It’s almost like the UFC is protecting Silva. After all the UFC has done to diss these boring fighters (Sherk, Maynard, etc.) why did they first make the marquardt/sonnen fight and then tell Joe Rogan to promote Sonnen so heavily during that fight.
THE UFC DOESNT WANT SILVA TO FIGHT MARQUARDT!!!
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
do you work for the ufc?
He’s already smashed everyone. He’s the best p4p in the world. Why give him more foder?
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
lol
I’m a fan that wants to see the p4p best get tested.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Do you really think that Maia is a more competative fight? Why?
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
that doesn’t matter when you are talking about a championship fight.
But if i did need a reason to think that maia was more competitive, I would say because he has a better record against Anderson Silva than Nate does.
But I don’t need to say that, because it doesn’t matter.
I’m not bogged down by your artificial rules. The UFC could promote Nate/Anderson if they wanted. The UFC could sign that fight if they wanted. If they did sign that fight, you wouldn’t be seeing all these posts about Silva’s next victim because everyone knows that Marquardt is more competative. This isn’t a tournament structure, the ufc could actually produce the best possible fight, if they wanted.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
look at what’s happening here.
They picked maia, you are whining that you want nate. If they picked nate, there would be 7 million people whining that they picked a guy coming off of a loss. I think they made the fight choice.
that said, what about my awesome reason that I came up with for your answer? How is a guy that got TKO’d in one round more competitive than Maia/
First of all, Marquardt is not the same guy. I already sound like a Nate fanboy so I can’t say more. All I can say is that why would Nate be able to knock Maia out like that and Silva wouldn’t?
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Maybe I'm wrong,
but I think Phildo can say with some confidence that Maia is not the same guy as Nate.
I would think
that Nate would be Silva’s next victim after the performance he put in against Chael. Nate will get destroyed just as Maia will. Belfort and Chael have the best shots at dethroning the champ. And this is coming from a HUGE Nate fan. He’s probably my second favorite fighter behind Silva.
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I'm not all about dethroning the champ...
especially when it’s lay and pray
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Silva already beat up Nate.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 13, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Things didn’t work out like they should have but it is what it is.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
oh absolutely. i guess my point is that i’d rather he get a couple more fights in, since he COULD potentially challenge anderson. just don’t feel like he’s there yet. same way i’d feel if they gave someone like jon jones a title shot.
Got it exactly Woodburn. I’m a massive Maia fan and although this is a good solution to get the UFC out of a bind, it’s not a good move for Maia’s progression.
Train that crazy Aoki-type-guard-pulling-craziness Maia! Yoo can doo eet!
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I think when someone reaches the top 5 you stop worrying about their progression. he would have had this fight already if he beat nate.
i think its the way he lost to nate.
It was embarassing. I mean its a shitty situation but how can u justify a guy getting ko’d in 21 seconds. Then wins 1 lackluster decision and he’s ready for a title shot? I honestly worry for Maia’s health in this fight, he’s gonna get hurt very badly.
by xbuckeyex05 on Feb 13, 2010 10:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
getting KO’d in 21 seconds means you made a mistake (Maia losing to Nate), getting your ass beat for 15 minutes means you were outclassed and didn’t have any business being in the ring with your opponent (Nate losing to Chael).
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Pride is Forever
That’s how I see it too… I almost think Maia would have deserved the shot less if the match had been longer with Nate and he had been more clearly dominated. That’s paradoxical, I know, because he got a 21 second knockout, but it’s still how my mind works.
Hmm, where have I heard this before?
Anderson Silva defending his title against a fighter coming off a shaky last few fights who’s a pure grappler with no striking?
Montreal comes to mind . . . last spring maybe? A fellow named Thales Leites flopping around?
Same thing will happen, Maia will find out he can’t hang on his feet, but can’t take him down either so he’ll run away and try and pull guard. Anderson won’t bite by jumping into guard.
F-it, should have given it to Cote, at least he would engage.
I love people who have no idea what they’re talking about. Maia has said before that he’d much rather get knocked on than put on a terrible performance.
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by FlyByKnight on Feb 12, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
It's easy to say that in an interview
I do think Maia will avoid pulling a Leites, but I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in him saying he’d rather get knocked out than being boring.
by Scott Haber on Feb 12, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Did this really have to happen at 112?
Be perfectly fine if it were moved to 113 or 114 and let the hole in Chael’s face heal.
Keep firing Assholes!
I don't know what I'm talking aboot.
I don't get the hate.
Demian is worlds better than Thales Leites on the ground, and has a totally different style anyways. That argument is stale and baseless.
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by pdl on Feb 12, 2010 10:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. Maia is really the only guy in the UFC I can imagine beating Anderson – it’s hugely unlikely but he has an advantage and a clear, plausible way to finish the fight in a way that no-one else in the UFC does.
by An0nymous on Feb 12, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“I see myself ready to fight for the belt. I would go at Anderson and it would give him the chance of knocking me out or give me the opportunity to finish the fight. That’s what I expect. I’m not saying I will win, but I will fight to end the fight before the judges decision. I want to do an aggressive fight and expose myself more.”
http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Demian-Maia-would-be-aggressive-against-Anderson-Silva.html
For those who think Maia will go Leites on everyone, think again.
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and tito ortiz says he fights with a broken back and neck or whatever. Wes Simms says he beat Mur.
Point is you can say whatever u want in an interview but when your in the cage it might be different. Don’t get me wrong I hope your right but I have heard fighters describe what I call the “I’m fucked” moment where they realize they can’t take the guy down or strike w/ him. That’s where Thales was at. Maia will be there to but its all how u deal w/ that. Hopefully ur right and he stays aggressive. That’s the only way he gets it down imo is to just come forward aggressively for the td.
by xbuckeyex05 on Feb 13, 2010 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well
Just sayin…
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by poundnground on Feb 12, 2010 10:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I thought his stand looked the same to be honest. Not that we got to see any of it in his fight with Nate, but the way his hands were etc.
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by poundnground on Feb 12, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Nahh, I think the general consensus is that he was much sharper on his fight this last fight.
That doesn’t really matter against Silva though.
It was better, not good though.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 12, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I think people are buying the “He looked great standing up!” but Miller was a little concerned about the takedown!
that gif looks like a smaller version of Fedor v Arlovski.
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This makes 0 sense to me. How can Maia be an option but Chael is not? Maia was supposed to be suspended longer than Chael right? Doesnt that mean that his cut was more severe? My head hurts.
It's also about who wants the fight
they could have offered it to Chael and he could have said he wants more time to train.
We will probably never know who was “offered the fight” but Maia could have been first but he could have also been the 5th person to be offered the fight.
I believe Dana said Chael would not be offered the fight.
by ufc4 on Feb 12, 2010 10:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Could always be some wordplay
“hey, does Chael have any interest?”
“not right now”
“okay”
That’s not “offering”
Not saying that’s what happened. But hey..
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 12, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
UFC can’t afford to thumb its nose at the Nevada commission, and risk pissing those guys off. I’m sure Maia will be cleared long before this fight. When UFC has cards at places without commissions, Marc Ratner steps in and heads up the commission responsibilites.
This should be interesting, Maia is not Leites, and up until the Miller fight, he hadn’t had a boring one yet. I think the Miller fight was slow just because of the way the styles matched up.
This is actually pretty good. As much as I think another Cote fight would be entertaining (I think Anderson would actually fight him more this time) this is about the most credible threat they could put forth at this time. Nate was just dominated by Sonnen.
Only thing is that eyelid injury. Presumably its not as bad as it looks, or else this is a little greasy. I’d thought it wasn’t a possibility, but if its not as bad as initially appeared, this fight makes sense.
they should make it a non-title fight..
Maia dosnt deserve a title shot yet, especially since he got KO’d in 21’s in Aug.
by ThereWlLLbeBlood on Feb 12, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions
I really hope some mma journalist get on their job because this makes zero sense on multiple fronts. First off Maia has no reason to even be in consideration after only beating Miller in his last fight. Second, if we ignore that which I won’t he was suspended for longer than Sonnen was.
There has to be a bigger story here because right now this is one of the few decisions the UFC has made that makes no sense whatsoever and that isn’t like them.
Chael would have had enough time to prepare for Andy, he was the clear choice and let’s face it Maia vs. Silva will have no heat if it happens. Cote would have been a better option, he actually fought Silva even until a freak accident took him out.
Like I said earlier we need answers because right now i’m baffled by this decision and I can’t be the only one.
Maia holds a decisive win over the current number one contender Sonnen. Although Maia’s suspension was longer, unlike Sonnen, Maia was given the option to be cleared earlier by a doctor. Sonnen suffered mutliple facial lacerations, while Maia had one cut on his eyelid. Sonnen’s suspension would’ve only given him a month or less to train. Maia has apparently already received word on medical clearance, or the UFC is confident he will be cleared quickly.
it doesnt matter
all will lose to Silva. the order is not important.
Botter says
There’s more to the story of Chael not being chosen for the title fight. Needless to say, it’s not all injury related…
Anyone care to elaborate?
its a conspiracy being propagated by the liberal media to silence conservative republican voices and keep them out of the spotlight.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 13, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He’s running for office and the election is in may.
I’d say he wants to spend time doing that and there might be campaign rules/laws preventing the ufc form promoting him during that time.
Sonnen is better off waiting. He can recover, heal, and come up with a good game plan. Otherwise, he would rush in beat up and with a short camp.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 13, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
UFC on Facebook comments are so retarted. Have you guys looked over there. awful.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 13, 2010 12:23 AM EST reply actions
I wonder if they spell “retarded” right.
by TLow on Feb 13, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Sick burn.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 13, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I’m calling Sarah Palin on you. Is that satire? haha.
Well played sir. I got burned. It happens.
by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 13, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
You’ll bounce back.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 13, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
thats nothing
remember the kick vera did to keith jardine?
Yes we can!
Jacare i think could beat A LOT of the UFC MW. His standup looked so clean in his last fight too. I hope he beats Shields, Hendo and goes to UFC.
Shame Maia already owned him in a grappling match.
Paniczoo reincarnated.
by ziiiiing on Feb 13, 2010 2:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jacare owned Maia TWICE in a grappling competition, both times by submission. Maia won once, on points.
by dancingChicken on Feb 13, 2010 5:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt they would fight
Some places have Jacare as a member of Black House others say he just trained with Silva before fighting Leites.
Either way A. Silva has this “loyalty thing” about not fighting friends and training partners.
But Jacare would be awesome in the UFC.
Overall I'm happy...
I like this fight better than the Silva/Sonnen match-up. Maia actually has a chance at finishing Anderson if he can close the distance without getting punched in the face. The only thing we were going to learn in the sonnen fight is how good sonnen’s chin really is.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
Seriously....
I’m hoping for the Immaculate Reception of Submissions to occur…
and by that I’m hoping the ball is Andy’s head….
by Koob on Feb 13, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Careful
You guys play us at Heinz this coming season. I can’t wait.
by CaptainSpaulding on Feb 13, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
The shot is justifiable and the fight is an interesting one. Maia has a real shot at pulling of a submission win here. If Silva gets careless and starts throwing flying knees and leaves himself open, Maia can get a takedown and make things pretty miserable down there.
I don’t think they offered the fight to Sonnen because I really think they can make Sonnen/Silva into a pretty big fight.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
This matchup surprised me, but what the hell, Anderson’s probably going to fight Maia, Sonnen and Belfort eventually. The order is out of whack, but I’m alright with this. I don’t think Maia will pull guard from the other side of the Octagon, and I truly believe that someone’s going to have to surprise Anderson and finish him to ever beat him, at least at MW in a five rounder. Belfort and Maia have the capacity to finish someone, and Chael doesn’t, so while I’d have preferred Nate, I can understand why they picked Demian.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 13, 2010 1:07 AM EST reply actions
Jordan Breen pretty much summed up my feelings on this fight during his latest chat:
…it’s the same thing as the Hardy-St. Pierre fight. People will write it off because Maia is likely to get blasted on the feet, and that’s true. But, that dismissal belies the fact that Maia is about 50000 times more likely to actually beat Anderson if he gets a takedown than anyone else the UFC has to offer.
Silva vs. Randy
See Silva vs. Griffin only worse. Sure Randy might be able to do a little pinning against the cage but he would get hit with a shot sometime in the fight and unlike Vera, Silva would finish him.
Great fight
Marquardt took advantage of his main stand up weakness, dropping his hand when he does his headkick.
I think he’s learned from that.
I look forward to a battle of tremendous techniques
UFC new partners at work
This smacks of UFC new partners at play. Maia is a well known name in Abu Dhabi, I am sure he is a fan favourite there.
I know its unlikely but I hope that Maia shuts Anderson up.
Unless Maia is cleared by a reputable medical specialist, I have to strongly disapprove of the UFC’s decision to book a seriously injured fighter for a fight in a venue with no athletic commission.
NSAC suspensions apply worldwide. He WILL be cleared, or the UFC wouldn’t have booked him for the fight. If he were to fight without clearance before his medical suspension is up, he would face further NSAC penalties regardless of there being no athletic commission in Abu Dhabi.
Suspensions do not apply worldwide
There have been fighters who have been banned due to drug test failures that continue to fight in other countries.
However I can’t see UFC putting the fight on unless Maia gets clearance in the US
Of course one CAN fight outside the U.S. while under NSAC suspension, but they would be in violation of the suspension and face further penalties should they ever want to fight in the U.S. again.
Vitor had no problems fighting in the US after violating a suspension.
But yeah, Maia will be cleared (really, it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s already been cleared by a doctor) well before the fight. I think Nate is overreacting to the NSAC suspension. Those types of suspensions happen all the time and are never an issue.
lol no
its a state athletic commission, they dont have jurisdiction outside of their own state
by yukkurishiteittene on Feb 13, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
i will only be pissed about this if Sonnen ends up getting screwed out of a shot later on. like if they give it to belfort right when he comes back in lieu of Chael. that would be lame.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 13, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
well this fight definitely isnt as intriguing as belfort but why bitch? its a fight we know wont go to decision so it cant be that bad, i personally think anderson will slaughter this guy in the first round but hey it will still be worth watching, quit being tree hugging hippies and stop bitching, ur making my eyes hurt pu*sies
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