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What Does Gegard Mousasi Leaving M-1 Global Mean for Fedor Emelianenko and Strikeforce?

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Sherdog reported this morning that Stikeforce light heavyweight champion Gegard Mousasi has parted ways with management company M-1 Global:

Mousasi, who won the Strikeforce light heavyweight title in August, said he has a fight contract directly with the U.S.-based promotion and will continue to compete for it. Mousasi said he also still plans to enter the first round of Dream’s light heavyweight grand prix, rumored to begin this May in Japan.

It's always news when a top fighter leaves his management company, but this one might have more significance than most business-side shakeups. There are two reasons that this matters:

  1. M-1 Global also represents (and it part-owned by) the world's #1 heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko
  2. Mousasi is not only one of the fastest-rising stars of the sport, he was the only other significant fighter represented by M-1 Global.

For the moment it appears that this move will have little noticeable difference for MMA fans as Mousasi will still fight for DREAM and Strikeforce. But the longer term implications are very interesting. Mousasi controversially claimed that he had been offered a contract by the UFC last year but M-1 hadn't informed him of the offer. UFC matchmaker Joe Silva later denied it. Here's what our Brent Brookhouse had to say at the time:

M-1 lied to Mousasi to get him to sign a deal they wanted him to sign.  They looked out for their own interests instead of his.  They violated their duty to the client.  The fact that Joe said they didn't make an offer is actually worse.  It means that rather than lying about the numbers offered they cut off any potential negotiations by claiming a poor offer was made before the UFC had a chance to establish a starting point for negotiations.

Here's what M-1 boss Vadim Finkelstein had to say in an interview last year with K-1 Legend (now Head Kick Legend) :

K-1 LEGEND: While I understand this has more to do with Apy than it does you, what exactly happened with Gegard Mousasi and why did he believe he was offered a contract by the UFC? There are many conflicting stories and it’d be nice to have something to put the rumors to rest with.

Vadim Finkelstein: Well, I believe the UFC has never made an official offer. Moreover, it was simply impossible. By that time the deal with Strikeforce was successfully signed after 3-4 months of negotiations.

For me personally, Mousasi's break with M-1 Global raises the hope that Fedor Emelianenko himself will reconsider his relationships with them at the end of his current two fight deal with them.

Mousasi is his own man, and has said in the past that he's not especially close to Fedor.  But fans can hope this is the first crack in the wall that has been keeping the world's #1 heavyweight out of the world's #1 promotion.

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nuff said

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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Feb 12, 2010 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

RUN GEGARD! RUN!!!

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

yes!

music to my ears! let my people go..

by cagefightonacid on Feb 12, 2010 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The other angle is that M-1 Global would probably push the same ridiculous clauses into a contract for Mousasi and tell Gegard its an “underlying” agreement that needs to be done if you want us to represent you.

Any smart fighter would say… SEE YA! Fedor is invested in the company though, Gegard isn’t.

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by Leland Roling on Feb 12, 2010 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

Frankly

I could care less about the implications of his joining the UFC Brent, and care more about what this means for the treatment of fighters. Good for Gegard if he is stepping away due to manipulation, but there are going to be lesser known fighters who buy into the M1 agenda and who will be exploited with little choice. Mostly the European and Asian fighters will be prone to falling into this terrible situation.

Also isn’t Fedor a part owner of M-1? I would think that relationship is unlikely to change.

by lightmyf1re on Feb 12, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Sorry

I credited Brent and meant Nate!

by lightmyf1re on Feb 12, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

As a matter of fact...

I know from my European sources that M-1 has a new contract policy on their M-1 Selection shows. Fighters sign 2 year / 6 fights deals which have a clause that if the fighter wins the M-1 Selection tournament, M-1 automatically becomes his manager/promoter.

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by Venom77 on Feb 12, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair, I respect that M1 is spending their own cash to develop these fighters. But, it does seem a little exploitive that M1 is then double dipping by assuming control of the fighters management.

by lightmyf1re on Feb 12, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

In fact they’re not spending any money on developing these fighters. Fighters train in gyms in their countries, the ones who lose are cut (contracts have the same policy as UFC ones). M-1 just holds shows, earns money on admissions , pays very little to competing fighters and then they grabs the winners under their wings.

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by Venom77 on Feb 12, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

If true, that is an even more exploitive relationship than I gave them credit for. International fighters need better alternatives than what M1 is offering.

by lightmyf1re on Feb 12, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a really, really shitty version of the TUF winners six figure contract.

by John Nash on Feb 12, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

again, UFC doesn’t become TUF winner’s manager.

Also, from what I was informed, M-1 selection fighters get less money for three fights than a fighter who loses a bout on the TUF finale.

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by Venom77 on Feb 12, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont waste your time with Zuffa haters… they come up with every excuse in the book for non-zuffa orgs but if Dana farts they go ape shit. The hypocrisy is crazy.

Rashad was a Tuf winner and for his last contract, HIS MANAGER negotiated a million dollar deal for him.

They dont seem to understand why M1 acting as manager and promoter and what they do amounts to nothing more than theft.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a really, really shitty version of the TUF winners six figure contract.

Yeah, I’m not trying to make a quick joke at M-1 expense but really trying to subtly make the statement that an m-1 selection winner and a TUF winner are treated the same.

My writing must be deeper than Melville’s because I don’t see the subtext.

by John Nash on Feb 12, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

They are???
but really trying to subtly make the statement that an m-1 selection winner and a TUF winner are treated the same.

by asa on Feb 12, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

that's an excellent point

M-1 is some shady and are worse for the little guys than the big dogs.

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by Kid Nate on Feb 12, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

isnt this what the media is for? instead of guessing how much Dana has been hurting Fedor’s feelings – these are the kinds of things the media is supposed to expose.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m really looking for the day when Luke, Nate, Fagan & Roling have enough shit to cover MMA full time.

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by vivero on Feb 12, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

copy. ill spread the word.

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by vivero on Feb 12, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

That gets a rec’d.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Feb 12, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

placement advertising has been hit recently because Visa and Mastercard are shutting down the negative option merchants (free trial offers that then keep billing your charge cards)… things will get better. Right now you could make 100k a day buying ad inventory and matching it up with the right offer.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

you should start a program

to teach us all these tricks — I hear lloyd irvin is quite the MLM sensei, maybe he could help.

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by Kid Nate on Feb 12, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

MLM is a horrible business model.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i know

I think sensei uses a lot of negative option billing to keep the $29.99 monthly payments rolling in from his “students” too

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by Kid Nate on Feb 12, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Negative option is a great business model… MLM is horrible.

Sell something once and bill the customer over and over… it doesnt get any better then that.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Is their method significantly different

from the Bellator system right now? Aside from becoming management, it’s a very similar situation. Oh yeah, and the “shadiness.”

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by pdl on Feb 12, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

One big difference is those Bellator guys get a monster payday for winning that tournament. I highly doubt the guys on M-1 selection make the same kind of bank.

by Steve4192 on Feb 12, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

there are going to be lesser known fighters who buy into the M1 agenda and who will be exploited with little choice. Mostly the European and Asian fighters will be prone to falling into this terrible situation.
I know from my European sources that M-1 has a new contract policy on their M-1 Selection shows. Fighters sign 2 year / 6 fights deals which have a clause that if the fighter wins the M-1 Selection tournament, M-1 automatically becomes his manager/promoter.

I’m more looking at those quotes. The monster payday is great, but you’re still stuck in the promotion for the long haul. This isn’t a knock on Bellator or an apology for M1, I’m trying to understand the difference between the two that makes M1 disastrous for fighters and Bellator a great place for prospects.

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by pdl on Feb 12, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If you win Bellator tournament they don’t become your manager.

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by Venom77 on Feb 12, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The bit about them becoming your manager and promoter is the big deal. Management gets a percent of earnings, thus M-1 has set themselves up in a situation where they book the fighters and get their sponsorships and the fighters have to pay M-1 a cut. That’s not to mention the obvious conflict of interest that comes into play in these situations, how hard is your manager going to negotiate things for you if he is negotiating them with himself or if his companies interest are different from the fighters. Having a manager who’s main goal isn’t to look after the fighter’s best interest is a horrible thing, particularly if it’s forced on a guy.

The Bellator contracts are strict and sort of sketchy in some areas but at least they aren’t saying you have to sign for them to manage your career and represent you in negotiations too.

by who me on Feb 12, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for covering this Nate

I’m sure most American fans care more about the implications on our market, but talent being treated fairly outside of the US needs to become the norm. You might not be the media but BE certainly has an influence on what the media covers.

by lightmyf1re on Feb 12, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

we try

to push things in a good direction. and our readers push us, so thanks!

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by Kid Nate on Feb 12, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It means M-1 Global has just lost half of its fighters… lol.

The other half has one more fight left on his contract. Do you honestly think his 20% in a worthless shitty promotion that steals from him is worth an 8 figure guaranteed contract from Zuffa? Let’s hope he’s as smart as Gegard realizes the answer.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

one more… I meant 2 more fights.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you have proof that M-1 has stolen from anyone or is that just you trying to be dramatic?

by smoogy2 on Feb 12, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Through the legal battle with affliction you could see that later Vadim negotiated a 7 figure consulting arrangement… but you’re too busy with his nuts in your mouth trying to spin what happened to Gegard.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Right, so you're just being a drama queen as usual.

I love how you’re all over the place with your usual “church of mmalogic” schtick, offering nothing but hysteria and more of your patented predictions that never pan out, yet apparently my one post on the matter means I’M the one trying to spin things. Show a little maturity for once.

by smoogy2 on Feb 12, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

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by xFenixKnightx on Feb 12, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

DAMN

Somebody put some uppers in Nate’s Cheerios.

And by Cheerios, I mean “Pure Bolivian Snow.”

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a blizzard!

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by Kid Nate on Feb 12, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

What news? That Mousasi changed his management? LOL. Sorry, your efforts to get everyone whipped up into a frenzy over a minor news item don’t really take hold with me.

Seriously, as a gimmick poster, you need some serious re-tooling. You’ve reached Mike Goldberg-levels of repetitiveness.

by smoogy2 on Feb 12, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No one deserves to be compared to Goldberg, that’s just a low blow.

by HarmlessNinja on Feb 12, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it’s not news… rolls eyes

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by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Read what I said. MINOR NEWS ITEM. If you want to convince me otherwise with a fact-based argument, go ahead. So far you’re just doing the usual song and dance where you don’t add any actual substantive information, just a bunch of vague innuendo about how “Strikeforce better watch out!”

by smoogy2 on Feb 12, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me explain this to you…

M1 was representing a whole new paradigm in how business could be done by “managers”, not only making Don King look like a saint but by challenging Zuffa’s entire business model.

Half of M-1 is gone. Are you starting to get the implications?

You dont want to get it because you’re nothing more than a nuttgurgler jumping from one nut sack in your mouth to the next.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL you are simply incorrigible!

By the way… the constant testicles-in-mouths imagery in your posts? Kinda gay. Kind REALLY gay A LOT.

by smoogy2 on Feb 12, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

… not that there is anything wrong with that.

by MMAWrestling on Feb 12, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

as do i.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Feb 12, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

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MMA history
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Smoogy2 vs Logic

in that order.

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by vivero on Feb 12, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly...

Your comments would be fine if you weren’t adding these ridiculous last paragraphs of adolescent name calling. Cut the shit. Smoogy asked for a “fact-based argument” to which you replied and ended with “nuttgurgler”.

Just stop. Arguments with elaboration and points being made are fine, even if fueled with a bit of anger. As long as you aren’t “shitting” on someone in the process, we’re fine with that. Let’s not resort the community to hooligans fighting over which soccer WAG is hotter.

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by Leland Roling on Feb 12, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Dempsey’s wife is pretty attractive for being a girl next door type. She’s in the new sports illustrated swimsuit edition.

by MMAWrestling on Feb 12, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

logic is just saying that the money they take off the top by way of management and co-promotion fees is theft.

Which is a little silly. I mean, just think of how much value M-1 ads with their co-promotion services!!

Also, are the KY ads on this page just part of the overall site or specifically here to celebrate M-1 fucking it’s fighters?

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

it's a valentine's celebration

for our two readers who actually have girlfriends and get laid. There’s a lot to look forward to when you grow up and get a job and a woman kids!

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by Kid Nate on Feb 12, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

look at the bright side, at least it’s the one for men and women, so at least they don’t think we’re all gay like some people.

by Phildo on Feb 12, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, they don't think WE'RE gay.

Now you on the other hand… :-)

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really want "woman kids"

…so you can have all of them you want. :-)

Meantime, my kid could kick the ASS of anybody else’s kids around here.

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

8 figure guaranteed contract? really? So at the very least you’re saying he’d be guaranteed $10,000,000. Dunno that I buy that.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 12, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ask meltzer about his last contract offer… at the very least he would have made more than 10m. this assuming he LOST all his fights.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

So are you saying he would have made a minimum of 10m if he completed this hypothetical UFC contract, or that they literally offered him a guaranteed contract? Because those are two totally different scenarios.

by smoogy2 on Feb 12, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

They lost 1/3 of their fighters

They still have Fedor and Karl Amoussou

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, who?

EXACTLY.

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Karl Amoussou

He one half of the main event on the next Strikeforce Challenger Series card.

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The key words there are ‘Challenger Series’.

He is a solid prospect, and might develop into a top fighter and a marketable commodity, but he ain’t there yet.

by Steve4192 on Feb 12, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I never mentioned a word on his credibility as a fighter.

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You're just proving my point, man.

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

your point is that you don’t follow anything but UFC?

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by keyboardwarrior on Feb 12, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

His point is that Karl Amoussou is no different than any other prospect.

M-1 has dozens of guys under contract, but only two of them who are anywhere near the top of their profession. They just lost 1/2 of those guys.

by Steve4192 on Feb 12, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

THANKYOU

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The things you have to explain sometimes…

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Feb 12, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, right?

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Incorrect

M-1 has dozens of guys signed to fight contracts as a promoter.

M-1 had 3 / has 2 guys signed to management contracts as an agent.

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

There are more guys they manage...

…Cindy Dandois, Mikhail Zayats, Kiril Sidelnikov. They also manage some other Russian fighters and Apy Echteld has some more fighters under his umbrella in Holland (Karatas, De Groot).

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by Venom77 on Feb 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If I got chit of for even mentioning KA’s existence. You had better watching. Somebody may snipe you.

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If this is true, my bad and they do a really crummy job managing and promoting the other fighters. To not even have them listed on website is bad.

My understanding is, Apy does have fighters, but he is their manager. M-1 doesn’t manage them directly. Apy and M-1 just have a business relationship. Case in point, Apy is still managing Mousasi even though he left M-1. I thought the others you listed were the same.

My understanding of M-1 is that they do promotional management stuff and uses their pull to get better deals for bigger fighters, but only brought on a select few to deal with directly.

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No, that having Karl Amous-who signed

is not even worth mentioning in a discussion about the importance of Gegard leaving M-1.

Which you still don’t get.

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand the point, the comment wasn’t complex. You were being aloof and you are telling me I am incorrect for being less aloof. That is all there is. I am not incorrect for mentioing KA.

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The title of this entry is:

“What Does Gegard Mousasi Leaving M-1 Global Mean for Fedor Emelianenko and Strikeforce?”

The point logic was making was that half of their stable was gone. You decided to be pedantic and say, INCORRECTLY, that they had 3 guys which misses the point by a mile.

They only make money off of Fedor and Gegard. They lost HALF their income from managing fighters when Gegard left. Why you can’t get that is beyond me. Bringing up some dude that got paid 30 rubles to fight in a parking lot is dumb.

And finally the point I was making is that Karl is NOT GERMANE TO THIS DISCUSSION OF THE IMPACT OF GEGARD LEAVING.

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ok, now explain this to me like im a fourth grader…

by sadface on Feb 12, 2010 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Consider it done…

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

because this was lulzy

Bringing up some dude that got paid 30 rubles to fight in a parking lot is dumb.

by Chris Barton on Feb 12, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You are a strange fellow. This is how I saw it...

1st) Someone made a joke about M-1 losing half of their stable. The most important word there is “joke”. You can tell it was a joke because of their use of an “lol”…

2nd) I jokingly stated how they still had Karl as well as Fedor. I never said he was talented. I never said he was a draw or a money maker. I just said that he existed. (Maybe I should have added an “lol” for the sake of clairity.)

3rd) You asked who he was? I thought you were seious. (There are lots of people who might not know because is is an unknown commodity.)

4th) I answered you simply and politely.

5th) You said I proved you point! (I didn’’t know you were making a point)

6th) I jokingly stated “Your point was that you have incorrect math?”

7th) You got offened and started actuling like a little whiney girl.

8th) You claimed I don’t understand that Karl is not important to the discussion.

9th) I say I do understand he is unimportant to the conversaion.

For the record, that is why I brought him up (in response to a joke) in the first place.

10th) You still think I don’t undertand that Karl in not important to the conversation.

11th) I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you still talking?

How clueless are you? Seriously: you’re acting like a crazy person.

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by jemaleddin on Feb 13, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Mous and E-Fed could only dream of one day main eventing the Challenger Series.

by MickDawg on Feb 12, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

CHURCH.

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The Challenger Series gets about as much veiwership as the M-1 Breakthrough show the co-headlined.

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

EXACTLY.

Not that you’ll get the point of that either…

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

NOBODY WATCHES ANY OF THOSE EVENTS IN COMPARISON TO THE BIG SHOWS

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

...aside from stating the obvious...

Oh, and I never said they had substantial viewership. You are arguing points that I didn’t make.

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Amouswho?

just kidding.

Karl is a solid looking prospect, but that is all he is. He has yet to beat anyone of significance, just like dozens of other young fighters with sparkling records.

by Steve4192 on Feb 12, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the story on the Mousasi contract offer from the UFC first came from CindyO on the UG and that Mousasi never said much on the part about contacting Joe Silva.

by rabrown on Feb 12, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

LOL! Where the hell is that from?

by fedorade on Feb 12, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

TMNT?

Just a guess. Looks like their… genre.

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by AJB on Feb 12, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  


though Van Damme seems close to Fedor so I suppose he really isn’t dancing up a storm with this news.

by pr0cs on Feb 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

There were rumors 2 weeks ago, i think from an MMAJunkie story, that Mousasi had just signed a long-term Strikeforce contract after lengthy negotiations between M-1 and Strikeforce. I guess that was incorrect and whatever contract offer M-1 came out of the negotiations with did not please Mousasi very much.

by Stanlee on Feb 12, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

As of today Gegard has not signed any contract for any “planned” fights in Dream’s Tournament.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, he had something (table napkin with notes on it) which he fulfilled in the NYE fight.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Anything legit is handled on napkins.

by fedorade on Feb 12, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Gegard doesnt want to enter the tourney… the whole thing came about when He wouldnt renew his contract with strikeforce so strikeforce wouldnt give him a schedule for his final fight. So he used this to either force them to schedule him or have something to do incase they delay his final fight as long as possible (end of the summer).

If Gegard gets his last fight in April… It’s highly likely he wont be in the tourney.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Mousasi himself said he signed a new contract with DREAM, last week on Inside MMA.

by smoogy2 on Feb 12, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re not even going to TRY to get whipped up into a frenzy?

by smoogy2 on Feb 12, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

oh noez!

an article that may be negative for a promotion other than UFC!

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Feb 12, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Uh… did you respond to the wrong person?

by smoogy2 on Feb 12, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Since Fedor owns, I believe, 20% of M-1 I don’t think he’ll be parting ways with them any time soon even if his fight contract is up.

by The Darkness on Feb 12, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

unless 20% of nothing = nothing.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

I hear that they’re HUGE in Kazakhstan.

Of course, people pay for PPVs over there with potassium…

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

you know you’re name “jemaleddin” is Kazakh.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

HELL YEAH IT IS.

You got a problem with that?

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

no, I just know an Uzbek with the same name.

by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's also an Irish name.

Or it is now!

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Does Strikeforce implement Champion's Clauses?

That’s somewhat a relevant question here.

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by Leland Roling on Feb 12, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

I would be surprised if they had that kind of leverage

That a fighter like Moussasi would want to tie himself to strikeforce for life.

by SES 84 on Feb 12, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

i think i remember reading on here a while back

That when AO won the title in 07 there was nothing like that in the contract, but now that SF has grown they do implement the champions clause. I am very interested to know for sure.

by xbuckeyex05 on Feb 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

They would have to do so before the contract was signed.

by truck on Feb 12, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

GSP's manager probably gave him the pitch.

She’s got GSP in all sorts of indorsements. UFC? The only problem is that Mousasi likes to fight overseas. I don’t if the UFC will let him do that.

by snakecharmer1340 on Feb 12, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

There will be probably 5 overseas UFC events per year. That should satisfy Gegard’s wishes. That, and making truckloads of money if he gets Shari Spencer as his manager and signs with the UFC

by Hardcharger on Feb 12, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

less activity

I think the change is really being less active. I’m not sure he needs to fight guys in Japan for his fans. Its also such an easy way to make money, if he was a star in the UFC the money aspect wouldn;t be there.

by SES 84 on Feb 12, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

True didn’t think of that. Working w/GSP lately and seeing all his success could have moved Gegard in the right direction.

by fedorade on Feb 12, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.

I’d cream my panties if Gegard made it into the UFC. And thats really saying something since I don’t even own a pair of panties, nor do I wear them.

I think Mousasi leaving M-1 is a pretty big statement. It’s not huge, but he obviously has his reasons, and now people know that SOMETHING is up. Weather it be an insignificance, or something big.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Feb 12, 2010 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

This was a pleasant surprise to come back to after having gone to see Gov. Schwarzenegger carry the Olympic torch.

With Mousasi’s stated goal being to just earn money for a few years, it’ll depend on the UFC’s offer once his SF and DREAM contracts are up and on how much Coker wants to keep one of his only top fighters.

by HarmlessNinja on Feb 12, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

To clairify, I don’t think this makes it a given that he’s coming to the UFC anytime soon and almost certainly not until towards the end of the year and after the DREAM LHW tourney.

by HarmlessNinja on Feb 12, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Mousasi will be dead of mysterious radiation poisoning within 6 months.

by CaptnAmerca on Feb 12, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I doubt it

it’s far more likely that Vadim is going to steal a car and send his attack dogs. We’ve all heard them in horrifying action.

by Chris Barton on Feb 12, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

What does this mean for Fedor and SF?

I have no idea. As a longtime fan, I have been met with disappointment after disappointment. So for once, I’m gonna shut the fuck up, hope for the best, and just let things happen.

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by pud333 on Feb 12, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

Reason. Logic. Sanity.

You’re doing it wrong, idiot.

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by AJB on Feb 12, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

According to mmajunki Apy Echteld is still his manager, and the split was because m-1 wouldn’t give him a “lifetime security” offer, like Fedor’s. In other words, someone nixed the idea of him becoming a partner.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/17926/after-m-1-exec-nixes-mousasis-lifetime-security-offer-strikeforce-champ-takes-career-reigns.mma

Also, according to this same article,:

However, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation said Mousasi signed a long-term contract that could tie him to the San Jose, Calif.-based promotion for as many as seven fights.

After King Mo and Henderson I really want to see him against Rua, Lyoto, Anderson, and eventually Bones. Looks like I may have to wait a little longer.

by John Nash on Feb 12, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

given the Dutch-Armenian fighter “lifetime security” – a deal similar to one held by Fedor Emelianenko.

Fedor will never fight for the UFC unless M1 bankrupts.

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by vivero on Feb 12, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

So in about 6 weeks?

That’s what I’m down for in the pool anyway…

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by jemaleddin on Feb 12, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

M1 did not want to give the same deal to Mousasi that Fedor get?

Well, it makes sense, Fedor is unique and deserves much more than Mousasi.

M1 must be paying Fedor very very well. The UFC only incentive is money. It seems that it does not even is a argument with Fedor having such a good deal.

So, it seems that Fedor will never fight in the UFC.

For Mousasi, he made a business choice and I am eager to see him fights. Defending the Strikeforce belt , fighting in the DREAM LHW championship and trying boxing/kickboxing is going to make for an exciting year.

2010, a future great year for Mousasi.

by JackO on Feb 12, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

M1 must be paying Fedor very very well.

Yes, if you consider 20% of his own money to be paid well.

by ufc4 on Feb 13, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

YUS!

That’s the best MMA news I’ve heard for quite some time.

by brad23 on Feb 12, 2010 6:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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