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History Proves Quality Performances Are Essential to Title Aspirations

Is Jon Fitch right? Does Dan Hardy truly deserve the title shot? Photo by UFC.com

Mixed martial arts is a sport that works off an unique theory. Matches are created by promoters who have shown that entertainment and business are above the actual precedence of fighters working their way up the perceived rankings. The UFC works off the basis of "what have you done lately", and that ideology can be seen in many of the divisional title pictures.

Gray Maynard and Frankie Edgar were two fighters in contention for a shot at UFC lightweight champion B.J. Penn, but Maynard's lackluster performance against Nate Diaz at UFC Fight Night 20 gave Edgar the nod as the divisional contender despite Maynard holding a decisive win over the New Jersey native.

Chael Sonnen's out-of-cage smack talk and dominating performance over Nate Marquardt at UFC 109 vaulted him into a contender role despite a very quick submission loss to Demian Maia, who also won on the UFC 109 card. Ed Soares is calling for a title eliminator bout with Demian Maia to determine the next contender to Anderson Silva, but the 0:21 second loss to Marquardt and Sonnen's "heel" status have no doubt caused Soares' comments to be ignored.

The same can be said for the welterweight division. Dan Hardy's impressive wins vaulted him into title contention due to a mix of quality showings and his antics out of the Octagon. Jon Fitch is now speaking out in regards to the current situation in the Welterweight division:

"I think there are other fighters in the weight class that have done more work and fought tougher opponents," the American Kickboxing Academy trained athlete told MMAWeekly.com.

Fitch isn’t the only one with those sentiments. Training partner and fellow welterweight contender Josh Koscheck has gone on record saying he doesn’t think Hardy deserves the fight with St-Pierre as well.

"No. He doesn't deserve a title shot. It's simple, but I don't make those decisions. They're just trying to get someone for St-Pierre to beat up," Koscheck recently told Heavy.com.

While the "what have you done for me lately" ideology that the UFC seems to be using to justify the title match-ups is evident, there are plenty of other factors. That concept also includes how impressive you've been in your performances, your drawing power, and the ability to produce hype around fights. Jon Fitch hasn't shown any of those attributes in his performances, and some would say he's putting himself into a problematic situation of being the next Yushin Okami.

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Fitch has been involved in six straight fights that have gone to decision. He was soundly beaten by Georges St. Pierre back at UFC 87, and the UFC's past moves have indicated that changing title contenders is a way to keep title fights fresher. Why else would Randy Couture be given a chance at a title shot after beating Mark Coleman? Couture has drawing power, plain and simple. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua's shot at Machida after a win over a downtrodden Chuck Liddell? Exciting knockout.

Furthermore, Josh Koscheck may be the lone American Kickboxing Academy team member who will truly put himself back into a situation in which he can earn a title shot. Not only has Koscheck finished three out of his last four opponents, but he's also been a pleasing employee who has come in on short notice and performed well.

I imagine that Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves has the potential to be a contendership bout, but I'm skeptical about the UFC allowing Fitch to fight for the title once again if Koscheck crushes Paul Daley. AKA team members have been reluctant to fight one another, but that hasn't stopped them from being indirectly in competition with each other when it comes to their performances.

While Fitch has a valid complaint since he's beaten all comers with the exception of Georges St. Pierre, this isn't a sport that rewards non-finishers. The UFC will easily take a guy who has buzz surrounding him due to an impressive display of power in the cage over a guy who grinds fighters out over three rounds. He also has to understand that both himself and Koscheck have already battled the current champion, and the UFC has always been reluctant in giving rematches because they'd like to exhaust other options first.

If Fitch wants his shot, he needs to become more explosive in his striking or develop a better submission game. He needs some sort of selling point for the UFC and fans to become interested. Hardy may not deserve a title shot due to defeating Mike Swick, who was laughably justified as a possible contender after defeating some average competition, but he had some much more exciting fights to lobby with.

The UFC may be a "what have you done for me lately" promotion, but MMA promotions worldwide have added the "how have you looked lately" ideology into the same formula in determining match-ups. A win is a win isn't going to cut it anymore.

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Koscheck fought GSP, but it wasn’t for the title. GSP fought him as a rebound fight after he lost the title to Serra

by Brian Hemminger on Feb 11, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

“himself and Koscheck have already battled the current champion”

Your statement doesn’t make this comment any less correct. They have both fought St Pierre, they have both lost.

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Feb 11, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Haha

Owned by ihateemo.

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by Dragon101 on Feb 11, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice insight guy.

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 11, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

See Fitch post St. Pierre was given pretty cakewalk opponents with Gono and Pierce…we didn’t think that Thiago was as good as he is, but not being able to finish a single fight doesn’t really scream title shot. Koscheck has Marquardt disorder where he finishes fights but when it matters most (Thiago fight) he gets knocked out. If he can finish Daley I can see them putting him next for GSP. Thiago vs. Fitch/Alves winner would be nice for the fight after Kos/Daley.

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 11, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

It’s definitely an interesting division due to the top of the division having some guys who have had decent fights going to decision. Hardy’s countering and talk out of the cage gave him this shot. Fitch’s fight with Pierce wasn’t bad at all, but I could see the UFC once again passing on Fitch if Koscheck beats Daley impressively.

Furthermore, Koscheck was able to, at least, takedown GSP a few times. I think that adds some intrigue to it. Koscheck will be mouthy as always as well.

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by Leland Roling on Feb 11, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think that as far as being impressive, Fitch is towards the bottom of the top 10. He’s like Clay Guida, he finishes you by decision. Unlike Guida, he doesn’t have that hyperactive monkey 100mph for 15 minute attitude.

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 11, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Unlike Guida, he’s beaten everyone the UFC has put in front of him.

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Feb 11, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Win streaks are impressive but when the last fight you finished is Thiago Alves…you aren’t impressive…especially when it’s against piece, gono, wilson, carneiro, fiorvanti, hironaka.
Guida has taken on Din Thomas, Griffin, Aurelio, Huerta, Danzig, Diaz, Sanchez, and Florian. That’s like a who’s who.

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 11, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

For most of his career, Fitch was a mid or undercard fighter. Aside from his title shot with St. Pierre because of his 9-0 streak, Fitch has never been put in the position of fighting as a main or co-main even attraction and his opposition has reflected that. Perhaps the UFC doesn’t do it because of his lack of finishing prowess, but Fitch has kept his mouth shut and done his job by winning fights.

The UFC is finally stepping up to the plate and giving him his toughest opponent since GSP – a much improved Alves. If he wins the fight decisively, I absolutely believe he deserves his #2 ranking.

Though in my opinion, he earned it by refusing to be finished in his title fight. That was gripping stuff.

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Feb 11, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is that the division is deeper now, not finishing Gono/Pierce doesn’t really help the argument of title shots. If he can dominate Alves and finish him that would be the first finish for Fitch since finishing Alves 3 years ago. THAT’S INSANE!

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 11, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I wasn’t arguing for another title shot – just the fact that the only loss he’s had is against St. Pierre (and the fact the GSP couldn’t finish him despite wailing on him for five rounds) cements his position as a solid #2 in the division. If he loses to Alves, his position will suffer. If he wins, he’s still the guy to get through for a belt IMO.

Not to nitpick, but according to Wikipedia (the site that makes everyone an instant MMA historian!) he finished Carneiro and Fioravanti after he did Alves in. But yes, two and a half years is a long time to go without finishing a fight.

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by ihateemo on Feb 11, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Fitch is a tough SOB, but I don’t think a rematch is deserved by just surviving the first title fight. Only way Fitch gets another shot is if he KO’s Alves. But if Kos finishes Daley, expec thim to get the title shot no matter what Fitch does, simply because Kos can hype up a fight, and though he was beaten by GSP once, it wasn’t for the title, so technically this would be his first title shot.

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by pud333 on Feb 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, the way I see the WW title picture is

Kos/Daley #1 contender
Thiago
Alves needs another win after Fitch
Fitch needs some impressive finishes and starting with Alves is great but string them together. Finish Hardy after GSP mangles him.

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 11, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Paulo Thiago? You mentioned:
Thiago
Alves
but what about Paulo Thiago, he’s in contention? (I’m just kidding by the way).
Seriously though, I agree with your list. I totally see the winner of Koscheck vs Daley fighting the winner of GSP vs Hardy.

by chrisbboy82 on Feb 11, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I just said above...

I’m not making the argument for a title shot, just that he’s clearly the #2 guy in the division right now.

If he beats Alves I’d like to see him fight Hardy (if he loses) or Daley (regardless of whether he wins or loses to Koscheck).

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Feb 11, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I just hate those AKA boys so much.

just 'cause you pour syrup on shit, don't make it pancakes

by imnotjohnlong on Feb 11, 2010 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

The entire 170 division appears to be AKA vs GSP and AKA vs Paulo Thiago lately.

I would rather see GSP fight Daley or Paulo Thiago than anyone at AKA.

Fitch vs GSP would probably be good but I can’t see it going much differently than their first fight.

If I had to pick 3 fighters to fight GSP over the next year after Hardy I would choose; Paulo Thiago, Paul Daley and a rematch with Thiago Alves if he beats Fitch.

Other than that, GSP move to 185 and let the AKA-catastrofuck implode unto itself when they’re the top 3 contenders and all refuse to fight each other.

by DirtyML on Feb 11, 2010 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

Swick/Koscheck/Fitch vs. GSP/Thiago/Daley

Elimination tag!

only at: Survivor Series!

by Trysdor on Feb 11, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think anthony rumble johnson is being overlooked here. However, i would really really like to see Paulo Thiago vs GSP

by Rocejize on Feb 11, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Rumble just lost to Koscheck, he has to win atleast 3 fights to be even considered for a title shot.

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by vivero on Feb 11, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Rumble has a couple of things working against him. No wins against top level competition, trouble making weight, and can’t put together a streak.

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 11, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Also apparently has no ground game.

by George Lucas on Feb 11, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

If I was Fitch I wouldn’t be in too much of a hurry for a title shot. If he does get another shot at GSP (considering GSP is still the champ at the time) and loses again, I can see the UFC releasing him. Yes, he’s one of the top WW’s but he does not benefit the UFC. He’s not a draw and he pulls out boring decisions against fighters trying to climb the ranks. I’m sure he makes decent coin fighting for the UFC and I can see Dana saying he’s not worth it.

by steveoc24 on Feb 11, 2010 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

Fitch being cut because he cant defeat GSP is pretty ridiculous.. As long as he keeps on winning fights other than St. Pierre, he is a good commodity for the UFC.

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by vivero on Feb 11, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at the Franklin/Silva situation. Franklin dropped two to Silva and the UFC sent him to LHW because they didn’t want him to beat future contenders. Fitch is too small to fight at MW and too big to drop to 155.

by steveoc24 on Feb 11, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

actually the UFC didnt send him to LHW

he could have stayed at mw and the UFC wouldnt care but they told him they had no interest in doing Silva/Franklin 3 and so if he wanted any chance at getting a shot at a title he either

a) had to wait for Silva to lose the mw title

or

b) move back to 205 and put together a good win streak

by bigdmmafan on Feb 11, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Franklin specifically said he was told by the UFC they didn’t want him beating top contenders in the MW division which makes sense since they had no interest for a third fight.

by steveoc24 on Feb 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Franklin wasn’t cut. Don’t see why you have to reference to him.

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by vivero on Feb 11, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said he was cut. I was using Franklin’s scenario since Fitch could possible see himself in the same position.

by steveoc24 on Feb 11, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

 “I can see the UFC releasing him” – I thought we were discussing this.

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by vivero on Feb 11, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Fitch is too small to fight at MW

Fitch has fought a 205 and 185. He’s a big, tall guy.

by dancingChicken on Feb 11, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The UFC will not

release Fitch. If he goes 5-5 over the next 3 years he still wont get released. He is a company man pulling the company line. Anytime they need a solid fight Fitch steps up. He might be boring but he wins…a lot, and that is what matters.

I think Fitch needs to go spend time at Black House and pick up striking from Machida/Anderson etc. His wrestling and top control is top notch, I think he can learn to finish from they crew in Brazil.

by Riney on Feb 11, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean the time

that they did drop him?

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by pdl on Feb 11, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that time.

Rec’d.

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by pdl on Feb 11, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

they had a dick measuring contest? Isn’t that discriminatory?

by WestbergIDFC on Feb 11, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

All penises involved were metaphorical. No penises were harmed in the making of this contest.

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by AJB on Feb 12, 2010 4:03 AM EST up reply actions  

It would force a stand up fight. Which would be hilariously terrible.

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 11, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think they would fight. Shields trains with the AKA boyz!

by steveoc24 on Feb 11, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

"Deserve's got nothing to do with it" - Clint Eastwood (Unforgiven)

While I don’t disagree with the point of this article, I don’t get the outrage (the outrage in general – not necessarily from this article) either.

If we look at this situations on a case by case basis, even the fighters we considered “deserving” at one point were anything but. Okami pre-Franklin loss had wins over Starnes, Singer, Belcher (this was around the time that Belcher got thrashed by Grove), and Swick (the same Swick nobody considers seriously as a contender, not then, and not now). Not exactly a murderer’s row there.

Same with Fitch. When he beat Alves, Thiago was only two fights removed from his loss to Spencer Fisher. Literally his biggest win before getting obliterated by GSP was a very close fight with Diego Sanchez.

All this means is that MMA is still young enough, that even in deep divisions, hierarchy’s aren’t always firmly established. Some of it has to do with matchmaking – yes Dana loves a great performance against lesser competition over a lackluster performance against better competition but so do MMA fans – but a lot of it also comes from the fact that a guy on a 4-0 run can be just as a viable as another guy on a 4-0 run.

Contendership in this sport is a function of matchmaking.

And sometimes people mistake a good run with good matchmaking, and vice versa.

Hardy may not deserve a title shot, but this puts him into a bigger boat than a lot of people would like to admit. If Fitch would show signs of improvement, or if there was any inkling in his recent performances that would make a rematch with GSP interesting, then his words might have credence, but he hasn’t, so they don’t (he’ll lose to Alves anyway – Alves’ game has improved tenfold since they last fought).

by David Castillo on Feb 11, 2010 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

Ditto.

Good article. All the outrage over fighters getting a title shot needs to take into consideration the history of the UFC.

Really quick title shots:

  • Anderson Silva title shot after finishing Chris Leben in a destructive fashion
  • Brock Lesnar? But then again the HW has always been tricky
  • BJ Penn vs. GSP II was questionable to some
  • Randy Couture probably had one too many gift title shots. Don’t be surprised if he gets a shot at the LHW title by the end of the year or early 2011.
  • Serra and Lutter . . . gifts from winning TUF
  • Cote received a gift title shot because Okami was injured
  • Leites . . . perfect timing, I guess he because the fight proved he didn’t deserve a title shot.

yeah yeah yeah . . .

by VeeisAnimated on Feb 11, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I didn’t want to make the article take hours to read. THere are tons of examples.

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by Leland Roling on Feb 11, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Just one correction, I believe Swick was considered a contender when he fought Okami, which says a lot about the lack of depth in the division.

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 11, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Swick had just beaten David Loiseau when Loiseau was fresh off his title shot against Franklin. So Swick was the first to beat the last challenger—why wouldn’t he be taken seriously as a contender?

by JRN on Feb 11, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

This post makes the point that I think is important here….there’s no point in rehashing the same fights over and over again.

I’m a big fan of Fitch, but nothing I’ve seen in his last few fights makes me think another fight with GSP would go any differently. As a result, I’d rather watch GSP fight someone else. We know how GSP-Fitch goes…let’s see how GSP-??? goes. If Fitch had come out and started wrecking people or showed a major change in his game, he’d be getting another shot. But he’s doing same ol’, same ol’.

by Jason H. on Feb 11, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

um....

“this isn’t a sport that rewards non-finishers”

when was the last time chael sonnen finished someone? seems he’s being fast tracked….

maybe if Jon Purdue started acting like a dick too he’d get another shot.

or he could always run for congress….

by glassjawsh on Feb 11, 2010 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

Chael hasn’t finished anyone under the Zuffa umbrella but his last two performances were brilliant. He humiliated Okami with his top control game and there’s a reason he and Marquardt were equally awarded Fight of the Night.

yeah yeah yeah . . .

by VeeisAnimated on Feb 11, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but they were fairly exciting performances. And his talk outside the cage only adds to it.

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by Leland Roling on Feb 11, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent Article.

Dear Mr. Roling,

I really enjoyed your article today. It is laced with excellent talking points that are well supported, and relevant. I also commend you for your encapsulating title, a captivating introductory sentence, and a well structured introduction that perfectly summarizes the content of work. I could have read your title, intro and conclusions and understood the viewpoints you presented perfectly. This is a rare find in mixed martial arts blogs.

I am sorry if I was perhaps a little over-critical of your Monday’s endeavor.

Continue the good work,

Daniel.

by dhurtubise on Feb 11, 2010 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

Personally, I'd rather see new and exciting matchups, instead of who's more "deserving."

As a fan, I don’t want to see GSP/Fitch II, GSP/Kos II, etc. We all know the Hardy will get beat by GSP for the most part (minus the puncher’s chance), but I’d rather see that fight than watch GSP humiliate Fitch again.

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by pud333 on Feb 11, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Dan Hardy’s impressive wins vaulted him into title contention due to a mix of quality showings and his antics out of the Octagon.

I get the antics part… but that seems to be it with Hardy. The quality of his opponents is pretty impressive, but he’s no finisher either… going the distance 3 out of 4 fights and squeaking by with split decisions in 2 of the 3.

He dominated Swick, but we just watched Swick get destroyed by a real finisher. He was solid against Marcus Davis, then we watched Ben Saunders nearly decapitate the man in his next fight. I just wonder about calling his wins impressive if he cannot finish guys that other 170lb fighters can.

by Stanlee on Feb 11, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

This is very true, but I think the fact that Hardy dropped Swick a few times and countered nicely gave credence to him as a title contender.

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by Leland Roling on Feb 11, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed; as I recall, Hardy broke Swick’s face. At that point, the difference between whether or not he knocked Swick out becomes fairly technical. Hardy kicked Swick’s ass, badly, and in reference to Ben Saunders, this was just after Swick TKO’s Saunders. Swick got owned by Thiago, true; but that doesn’t take anything away from Hardy’s performance over Swick any more than Saunder’s win over Davis and loss to Swick take anything away from Hardy’s win over Davis AND Swick.

In this division, all these guys end up fighting each other at some point. That Hardy is the only one not losing to any of the others right now should be enough.

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by AJB on Feb 12, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Another Leland

must read article. Keep up the incredible work.

by Riney on Feb 11, 2010 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

After GSP-Hardy, I anticipate the UFC wouldn’t mind if Daley beat Kos. They could easily then put in a new body against GSP, and a guy who is exciting and talks trash.

If Kos wins, I’m not sure he can get another crack at GSP right away. It would depend on other things, like Fitch-Alves.

If Fitch beats Alves, then Fitch will have beaten 2 guys Kos lost to, with Kos having more recent losses.

You also have Paulo Thiago out there with a W over Kos.

If Kos and Alves win, then the UFC will have to use Kos, Alves, and Paulo in some iteration where 1 guy gets the next title shot, and the other 2 are matched in a #1 contender fight.

by Hardcharger on Feb 11, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

I think that’s a possibility as well, and I actually think they’ll justify Daley if he bombs Koscheck.

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by Leland Roling on Feb 11, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

And why shouldn't they?

Hazelett’s not a huge win, but Kampmann is fringe top 10 and Kos is consensus #4 right now, likely to be #3 by fight time after the loser of Fitch vs. Alves drops. A title shot would be well earned.

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by pdl on Feb 11, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a Daley vs. Thiago contention bout would be ideal if Daley wins. Because Thiago and Daley have both beaten Koscheck, and it’s obvious the UFC isn’t high on Fitch right now. Unless they give Fitch vs. Daley a try simply because Thiago was beaten by Fitch. Either way, I’m down with both.

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by Leland Roling on Feb 11, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The only way daley/kos will need another fight is if Fitch or Alves destroys the other one, because if you make Daley/Kos fight Thiago who will GSP fight while that fight is happening?

by Phildo on Feb 11, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear daley/kos is Chael Sonnen’s favorite website.

by George Lucas on Feb 11, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think the winner of Daley/Koscheck is a no-brainer as the next title contention fight. Whoever wins that one will definitely have earned it. GSP/Koschecks last tilt is a pretty distant memory by now so I doubt it’ll come into play.

If Alves gets by fitch as we all expect him to, set him up against Paulo Thiago for the next title contention shot.

by nastyem on Feb 11, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Alves vs Thiago – I think I like this one.

by klown on Feb 12, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Timing-wise, the UFC would also like to not wait for the winner on May 8 to fight another contender fight before earning a crack at GSP. They need GSP on another PPV late this summer.

With Alves, I don’t think the UFC is in a rush for him to get a rematch, since his loss is the most recent. So Alves beating Fitch would make the contender list Daley-Kos winner, and perhaps Paulo Thiago (only if Kos wins).

by Hardcharger on Feb 11, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If Daley beats Kos

I want to see Daley fight Paulo Thiago. Give the winner of that fight a title shot.

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by Llewdor on Feb 11, 2010 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

There is something else to consider that hasn'ty really been discussed

And that is the fact that as MMA progresses. The fighters get better, more technical and yes, smarter. When you bring these elements together, you will see more and more the top fighters having longer, tighter and closer fights. And more decisions. Should these fighters be forced to take more risk in order to make a bigger impression?. Should they be punished for doing what it takes to win?. The same things that are being said about Fitch easily apply to Sonnen. But yet here he is being touted as a “Grinder” that can give Anderson Silva a challenge and take a “decision”. Allot of variable mixed messages in this issue. And then we always have the debate on what is better, doing what is right based on merit or doing what is more potentially exciting?

by SimplePsych on Feb 11, 2010 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

The difference is quality of opponent.

No one should Fitch’s decision against Thiago against him, but he should be able to finish Chris Wilson, Gono, and Pierce.

beating Okami and Nate is impressive no matter how you do it.

by Phildo on Feb 11, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. If Fitch does to Alves what Sonnen did to Marquardt, he should be given a standing ovation and a title shot.

by Hardcharger on Feb 11, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think so. Just because of his recent fight with GSP. I’m not going to give Fitch shit if he can’t finish Alves, but I’d rather see someone new if Fitch doesn’t bring something exciting to the table against Alves.

by Phildo on Feb 11, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

but he should be able to finish Chris Wilson, Gono, and Pierce.

Should he?

by George Lucas on Feb 11, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

this is why antonio mckee....

isnt in the ufc!! hes got one hell of a record and hardly ever loses but he doesnt inspire interest in the sport or even his own fights for that matter…im fine with this

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by baldspot23 on Feb 11, 2010 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

Fitch has a bad rap

Pierce – never been finished
Thiago – was undefeated
Gono – had never been finished at welterweight
Wilson – had only ever been finished once
Sanchez – had never been finished
Hironaka – besides a cut, had only been finished once
Larson – was undefeated

Meanwhile, Hardy is 1-3 in finishing his UFC fights, his one KO against a guy with a dubious chin, and 2 out of those 3 decisions were splits. Zero fight, sub or KO’s of the night. I don’t see how that adds up to “impressive wins”.

If having a stupid haircut, an obnoxious personality and some middling wins against non-contenders is all it takes to get a title shot then they should sign Mayhem back up for a run at the belt.

The fact of the matter is that there are no compelling fights for St. Pierre at welterweight, and he should either seriously pursue the olympics or vacate and move up to 185 to fight Anderson. Let Alves/Fitch be for the belt and suddenly the Pierces and Hardy’s of the world become viable contenders.

by George Lucas on Feb 11, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I tend to agree with you about Hardy being a garbage contender. BUT he did decisively beat Swick who was considered the only other top contender (at the time). The title can’t sit idle and GSP has been pretty clear that he’s not ready to move up in weight just yet.

Things get better at WW soon though, Paulo Thiago made a pretty big statement the other night, and the winner of Koscheck/Daley will create a pretty clear cut contender for the next defense.

by nastyem on Feb 11, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

what is the last lay and pray victory you’ve seen from a UFC contender?

by George Lucas on Feb 11, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Randy Couture against Vera could arguably be lay n prey seeing as very few strikes were thrown. Fitch vs Pierce was lay n prey from Fitch. As far as the last lay n prey victory I’ve seen from a UFC contender, Rashad Evans vs Thiago Silva had Evans utilize lay n prey. It obviously depends on the fighter. Lay n prey was just an example of what would be considered as a non-“quality performance” (in context with this article). Demain Maia vs Dan Miller was a snoozer, and so was Gray Maynard vs Nate Diaz even though both fights were mainly standup fights. Maynard didn’t get a Title shot for beating Diaz because the fight was a snoozer, and Frankie Edgar did get a Title shot for subbing Matt Veach and just looking impressive.

by chrisbboy82 on Feb 12, 2010 4:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think you understand what the term “lay and prey” (sic) means.

by George Lucas on Feb 12, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

As far as I can tell, it is taking an opponent down and staying in top position and holding an opponent down. There is no attempt to pass guard, or even throw any ground n pound that would cause any real damage. A fight that really exemplifies this is Gray Maynard vs Rich Clementi. In the Rashad Evans vs Thiago Silva fight, Evans took Thiago down and did nothing but attempt to hold him down for two rounds, and the third round was Thiago Silva’s. What are you implying by that response you made?

by chrisbboy82 on Feb 13, 2010 4:55 AM EST up reply actions  

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