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Chael Sonnen Says - "I’m Five Strike Attempts Away From Being the UFC Champion"

On Nate Marquardt:

"Nate has a couple of holes but I'm not going to point them out because he's my only friend in this business. So for the next guy, you're going to have to study the film because I'm not going to give it away. But I stuck with it. We did some things out there that we noticed he had some problems with."

"On the way over here (to the fight) I told my uncle, I hope I get on top of Marquardt one time. I left the hotel to come to this fight at 207 pounds. I told my uncle if I could get on top of this guy one time, he's going to be exhausted. I'm a heavyweight right now."

On Anderson Silva: (at the 2:20 min mark)

"As soon as Anderson tries to punch me, I'm going to stick my forehead in his chest, run him against the fence, pick him up, put him on the canvas and that's the end of that round. As soon as Anderson tries to kick me, I'm going to stick my forehead in his chest, run him into that fence, put him on the ground, that's the end of that round."

"I am five strike attempts by him away from being the UFC champion."

HT: mmaweekly.com

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And about 50 sub attempts away

by HighNoon on Feb 10, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

There is nothing surprising here.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Feb 10, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

I hope Anderson plows through him worse than Forrest

by bucco69 on Feb 10, 2010 4:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

It’s pretty clear he has no intention of doing any weak 1-2 Headkicks like Forrest was throwing.

by Roujam on Feb 10, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

plus

Can it really get worse than it did for Forrest?

by CaptainSpaulding on Feb 10, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It looked like neo vs the agents at the end of matrix 1.

"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."

by spectaa on Feb 10, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ask James Irvin.

Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.

by FRANKIE on Feb 10, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed.

I find it quite scary that with 2 punches he took him out, broke his face(not 100% on that one) & made him cry (110% positive he cried like a little schoolgirl with a skinned knee & shit) all why he was doped up on painkillers..

Be like water..

by theredoctober on Feb 11, 2010 1:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

At least Forrest didn’t need reconstructive surgery.

by HarmlessNinja on Feb 10, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a believer Chael!

by Roujam on Feb 10, 2010 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

This is what I like about this guy

He comes off as a jerk and an intelligent, confident guy to me at the same time. I have no doubt that he’ll do what he just said. I just hope his forehead is faster than Andy’s strikes.

by Jigger on Feb 10, 2010 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

He’s gonna fight the fight dan should have fought. I’m more excited for it than Anderson/Vitor cause I think he has the best chance.

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by Matthew Roth on Feb 10, 2010 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Que the Mike Goldberg stat graphic on Anderson Silva’s precision. Does he really go 0/5?

by xDieseLx on Feb 10, 2010 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

nothing but air…

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Please

That’s no more real than the chupacabra……… Right, Chael?

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Feb 10, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd for chupacabra

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Feb 11, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Chael is going to stand in front of Anderson like that.

by grb on Feb 10, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

true

but it’s still awesome

Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."

by Stillberry on Feb 10, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I only count four strikes… Here’s what I see, and I’m not a boxer so this probably isn’t right, but Jab, left hook, right (straight?) left hook. What am I missing??

by verloc on Feb 10, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Two jabs to start… Not one

by Slices Right on Feb 10, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you mean that this gif is incomplete, that Forest already led with a jab? Or can I just not see it?

by verloc on Feb 10, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i never counted, just conveniently responded. yeah, it looks like 4. oh well

Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."

by Stillberry on Feb 10, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, it’s still sick, and was only one of the moments like the during the fight.

by verloc on Feb 10, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

im really starting to like this guy

and i barely gave him any thought around 4 days ago

idk if he really can beat anderson or take him down like that but hell id love to see him try

by milk72 on Feb 10, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

“I’m going to stick my forehead in his chest, run him against the fence, pick him up, put him on the canvas and that’s the end of that round.”

Notice he doesn’t say he’s actually going to accomplish anything once he gets him down. Even he’s not THAT much of a bullshitter.

by agentsmith on Feb 10, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

well…at least he is confident…

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey

by JeremyShane on Feb 10, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully this also puts an end to all the people saying Marquardt was bigger than him. We now know that Sonnen had about ten pounds and a few inches on Nate.

by HarmlessNinja on Feb 10, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

He also had more legs and arms…

by dancingChicken on Feb 11, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

insert Chuck Norris-esque comment about Anderson Silva

by H8ff0000 on Feb 10, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Anderson silvas knees cure cancer!

Be like water..

by theredoctober on Feb 11, 2010 1:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Anderson Silva's balls have little knees that are built in defense to mites of any kind.

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by MrNorhtNashville on Feb 11, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

How cool would it be if Andy went to jacksons to work take down D with GSP.

by MikeD32 on Feb 10, 2010 4:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

See how well that worked of Marquardt?

by CSKit on Feb 10, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

for of Marquardt

by CSKit on Feb 10, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, but I don’t think he even attempted to stop a take down. All I saw was a sloppy haymaker and then Nate on his back…painful to watch

by MikeD32 on Feb 10, 2010 5:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Is that even possible? You’re being taken down, you try to stop it even as a reflex right?

"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."

by spectaa on Feb 10, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Once you are off your feet, you aren’t attempting anything. You saying GODDAMMIT as you stick your hand out towards the ground to break a fall.

Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.

by judonerd on Feb 10, 2010 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly. Sometimes you are saying GODDAMMIT before you are off the ground, because you know it’s going to happen when you failed to stuff the takedown.

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by kenpoboy67 on Feb 11, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Not only was there little takedown defense, he actually threw a flying knee. I mean, it connected and rocked the HELL out of Chael, but Cheal took him back down. What is Chael’s gameplan? The takedown. Flying knees are not the smartest move.

And that’s what he said later, that he should have worked on the takedown defense and not tried for the ko. Lesson learned I guess. But what a way to learn it!

by verloc on Feb 10, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Flying knees are a great response to takedown attempts if you are comfortable on the ground in the chance he completes anyway. A. Silva vs Newton.

Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.

by judonerd on Feb 10, 2010 8:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That’s true; Nate fighting off his back wasn’t up to par though.

by verloc on Feb 10, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If memory serves me correctly Silva was mounted in the Newton fight until Newton went for a sloppy armbar. Silva then body triangled Newton and the fight was stood up (and, interestingly enough, Silva was warned for stalling, which obviously wouldn’t happen in the UFC). The odds of Silva’s landing the flying knee were low and he had just been dominated on the ground; I would say that the flying knee wasn’t his best option, but he landed it and KO’d newton, so hats off to Silva, but there’s no way Silva should have felt comfortable on the ground with Newton after what just happened.

by The Darkness on Feb 11, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I suspect Mark Munoz will do just fine

drilling takedowns with Andy.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Feb 10, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

by MikeD32 on Feb 10, 2010 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting

Munoz looks like a monster so far. From what I’ve seen, his takedowns are top notch.

Anderson has so many top guys to train with – alot of them huge, too.

I just can’t see any way Sonnen wins this. It will be a beatdown.

by CaptainSpaulding on Feb 10, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It definitely was smart of blackhouse to add an accomplished wrestler to its roster.

by The Darkness on Feb 10, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope silva beats vitor and moves up to lhw. I like trash talking but this dude is really only getting a title shot because he is talking trash. He’s a little to WWEish for me. Beating Nate was nice but he needs another big win to deserve a title shot.

by goldmouth on Feb 10, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

He also beat Okami and Filho convincingly and both were consensus top five MWs at the time of the fight.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Feb 10, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Correction, he lost one fight and won one against Filho

And the one he won was not convincingly and one of the most boring fights in recent history. Not to mention in both fights Filho was an obvious mental shell of his former self. I can imagine it is very difficult to do anything with Delusional Bi-Polar Psychosis. I am certain it is near impossible to fight competitively.

by SimplePsych on Feb 10, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

this^^

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Nationalism.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Feb 10, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

ha

this has nothing to do with where I’m from, Filho really was a mental case back when they fought, that’s pretty much known as he spent quite a time in facilities trying to get away from his demons

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I watched the fight, he was clearly whacked out. It was just hard for me to feel sorry for him after the WEC ran the interviews with Chael promising his sick father that he would win the title only to have Filho come in overweight and make a title fight impossible (and then the quasi-promise Filho’s camp made to give Chael the belt if he won which to my knowledge never came through).

All that aside, my point was simply that in Sonnen’s last three fights he has beaten guys that were considered by many rating systems as the second best MW in the world at the time of the fight.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Feb 10, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

well, in Filho’s defense, he was having issues. can’t really blame a sick man for not coming in fully prepared (I can blame his camp though, damn you BTT!). I can blame guys like Lutter not coming in weight for a title shot because he wasn’t having any mental issues, but Filho’s was so apparent that I just can’t make myself blame the guy and I actually feel bad for him.

I understand Chael had made a promise for his dying father, and from what I heard in one of Filho’s interviews he said he was going to mail Sonnen the belt. Sonnen has never said anything to the contrary, so I assume he did in fact mail him the belt. This should be a question a reporter should ask Sonnen so we can put this to rest, but they never do…

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

holding the belt, and actually being the middleweight champion are different things. chael got his hand raised as the winner, not the new champion.

by Austin Martin on Feb 10, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s garbage.

I’ve read that some boxing organizations say that if you are the champion and miss weight you lose the belt at the scales, and then if the challenger wins the fight, he is crowned champion.

It’s not an ideal situation, but it seems a lot more fair than what happened in that mess.

by Phildo on Feb 10, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

sure, strip the man’s belt, I would be okay with that. I’m sure he would be too, given his interviews after that fiasco.

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

you guys are putting too much hate on a guy who was clearly not himself.

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems funny you’d put this in the past tense. I haven’t really seen anything from Filho since that leads me to believe he’s put this behind him. He still looks like he’s in a bad way.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Feb 10, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

well, I put it in the past tense because I haven’t caught him talking to himself again (or whoever it is he was talking to that night) :p

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

and if Lutter had beaten the spider he would also have his hand raised and not be the champ. Filho did not make weight, he was having mental issues…

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

and his management shouldnt have let him fight. im no stranger to that type of thing, but not only did he have mental issues he had substance abuse problems. he was in no shape to fight.

by Austin Martin on Feb 10, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed 100%, and I recognized as much in my comment above:

can’t really blame a sick man for not coming in fully prepared (I can blame his camp though, damn you BTT!)

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

None of your points are corrections. I never said he was undefeated against Filho. Also convincing and boring are not mutually exclusive.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Feb 10, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It bears noting that at the time of his second fight against Filho Sonnen apparently had a serious arm injury: http://mmajunkie.com/news/14026/how-two-bizarre-fights-with-paulo-filho-led-chael-sonnen-to-ufc-95.mma. That may in part explain his lackluster performance.

by The Darkness on Feb 10, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

so we can scratch the rematch, and what we have left is their first bout :p

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think talking to ghosts was probably more distracting than a tweaked arm.

Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.

by judonerd on Feb 10, 2010 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sonnen beat two top 3 opponents in a row.

Hendo, Nate, Vitor, Santiago, Lawler, Khalidov, Maia, Akiyama, Filho, and any other MW can’t say that. Anderson can’t even say that right now.

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by pdl on Feb 10, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Andy beat Nate, Rich Franklin and Hendo in a row, who are three top MWs. that list is better than Miller, Okami and Nate IMO.

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I said right now.

Forrest was top 5 but not top 3, Thales Leites was hardly top 10, Cote was fringe top 10. I’m not discrediting Anderson by the way, just showing how rare of a feat it is to do what Sonnen has even for a champion, who’s only job is to fight the #2 guy (in theory).

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Feb 10, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

well the reason he hasn’t been fighting top MWs as of late is because he beat them all, there were no one else left (you could argue for Okami, but that was UFCs fault), which is why I don’t mind him fighting Chael next either, there really isn’t anybody else unless it’s Maia (who beat Chael), but he’s 1-1 in his last two.

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Not blaming Anderson, just praising Chael's record.

Andy has done the best he can fighting who the UFC has told him to. Chael deserves this title shot.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Feb 10, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m cool with him getting the shot :p

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It means more when those guys are ranked higher than you.

Only god is ranked higher than Anderson right now, and that is bullshit politics.

by Razreshat on Feb 10, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Okami was his other big win and Dana said his fight w/Nate was for a title shot. Dana doesn’t lie.

"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday

by MyFistYourFace on Feb 10, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Really really really really like this act

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Feb 10, 2010 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe he gets a couple takedowns and possibly even wins a couple rounds but there is no way he is going to go 5 rounds without Silva catching him with something.

by Brad Ackerson on Feb 10, 2010 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

I’m going to stick my forehead in his chest

but I thought you were republican Chael! why put your head on a guy’s hairy chest?

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

This is just the beginning, there will be a tremendous amount of talk in the next year

Before the match is finally made. But as we all know, talk doesn’t win fights. In fact, in MMA, only about 10% of the matches turn out the way the competitors say they will. So take it all with a sip of scotch, because that’s about all its worth.

by SimplePsych on Feb 10, 2010 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

Lol

10% of the guys can predict their victory? that means 40% of those guys actually predict their loss but win.

"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."

by spectaa on Feb 10, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I freakin cant get enough of this guy! hes hilarious!

by ThaiGae on Feb 10, 2010 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

In 2 weeks,

Chael has entered my top 3 favorite fighters. I am praying Vitor loses so Chael get’s his chance to own the biggest upset in the history of MMA…

Diaz
Aoki
Sonnen

by mrnice on Feb 10, 2010 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

Haha, yeah, that’s exactly what politicians and real estate agents do… they own you..

by dancingChicken on Feb 11, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

He's a funny dude

and he isn’t acting like he’s gonna try to “Stand n’ Wang”. Chael knows what he’s good at, and that’s what he’s gonna try to accomplish. I do actually agree with Soares though, that he should face off w/ Maia for a title shot.

Interesting little MMAth triangle there. Maia > Sonnen. Marquardt > Maia. Sonnen > Marquardt. Funny that the 3 top contenders @ 185 all have recent wins & losses over eachother.

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by ElliotMatheny on Feb 10, 2010 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

rock, paper, scissors :p

Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever

by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That guy’s no more the top fighter out there than Bigfoot is roaming the woods

I think this applies to any kind of high level competition. All of those guys are amazing fighters, and it seems any one of them could take each other out on any given night. Can Sonnen do what he says Anderson? I don’t think anyone can honestly answer that question (fan hype aside)- and thats why we must see them fight.

by grb on Feb 10, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he deserves the fight next as much as anyone

But here’s the problem— when (okay fine, if) Anderson beats Chael, his stubborn detractors are going to claim “Chael wasn’t any good anyways— Anderson should have been fighting Ultraman or Skeletor”.

I fucking hate that about MMA.

I’ve grown to quite like Chael Sonnen and it would be a remarkable story if he won— given the promise he made to his dying father and how he was cheated out of the WEC title. Love him or hate him, it’s really compelling stuff and helps to illustrate just why he’s so relentless and determined. I was thinking about that the whole time he was pounding on Nate and saying “man, good for him”.

So here’s my hope, or at least my most-wanted outcome. Chael puts up a good fight, but Anderson wins. Not too good of a fight, because people will say “look at all teh holez!”, but a spirited one nonetheless. It’ll lend them both credibility in victory and defeat.

Though, honestly, I don’t see any way that Anderson detractors don’t find a way to bend that fight to their liking. Revisionism is a bitch.

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by Blackout612 on Feb 10, 2010 5:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

all he has to do is win two rounds in my opinion and he’s won in my mind, noone expects the W, i just want a good fight. Demian wouldn’t give anderson that, and its become obvious that nate had too many holes at this point. Chael is going to bring a determined, single skillset that can overwhelm anderson.

HOWEVER. i think people are vastly underrating chael in terms of the rest of his game. His striking truly is not bad. Its nowhere near anderson’s level, and obviously if he thought nate was fast he’s going to be in a world of trouble with anderson, but i think his boxing style can be proficient.

Plus, he has probably 7 months to round himself out. Getting hurt aside, thats 7 months to work on sub defense and striking. He’s such a grinder that i see this fight being much much closer than everyone thinks.

by Austin Martin on Feb 10, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Anderson subs him. He hasn’t improved his sub defense after this long, don’t imagine it’ll get much better by the time they fight. Shame, really.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
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by Blackout612 on Feb 10, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Chael too.

And I hope he beats Anderson. I think it would be a great story and ultimately rejuvenating for the MW division.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Feb 10, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree. Although i think his reign on top would be as long as forrest’s was, i think he can tackle the titan if he can impose his will for 3 rounds, and manage to not get finished in the other two.

Obviously Silva is incredibly well rounded and proficient at everything, but at some point his frame and body mechanics HAVE to have a weak spot. I hope Chael can capitalize on it, carpet, wear, and tear or not.

by Austin Martin on Feb 10, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe 5 strikes with a handgun

by jks9202 on Feb 10, 2010 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

I think you misunderstood the post.

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by Richard Wade on Feb 11, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think

anderson would need a handgun to take Chael out.

by cr0wat on Feb 10, 2010 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

The scariest thing out there is a motivated Anderson, just look what happened to Forrest and Rich.
I think all this shit talking is gana be a big no no for Sonnen when the fight happens.

"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson

by mma is #1 on Feb 10, 2010 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

This isn’t the same thing but it is similar, Thiago Alves was on a seven fight win streak before fighting GSP with his TKOing Parysian, Hughes, and destroying Koscheck for three rounds. Many were saying that Alves’ standup may give GSP problems, but when the fight happened, GSP dominated. The point that I am trying to make is that the fighters that Sonnen beat were very good, but the disparity between Sonnen’s best win (Marquardt) and Anderson is huge. We see that Sonnen has very strong wrestling, and Anderson’s biggest weakness is wrestling, but then it just gets ignored (by some) that Sonnen’s weaknesses have been Anderson’s strengths (standup and BJJ). I think that there is a contingent of MMA fans that would like to see Sonnen beat Anderson and believe that he will, but they emphasize Sonnen’s strengths (wrestling), and more or less just ignore his weaknesses.

by chrisbboy82 on Feb 10, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

There are two (or three) likely outcomes to this fight:

Either Sonnen pounds on Silva for five rounds, or Silva TKOs Chael or hurts him and then submits him at some point.

I think there is very little chance that this fight ends with Andy submitting Chael off his back. Armbars don’t seem to be in Silva’s repetoire and a sloppy triangle isn’t going to hold a strong wrestler in place long enough for Silva to submit him from strikes. Silva doesn’t appear to me to be that limber and Chael’s posture is excellent so I don’t think we’ll see any successful omoplatas, although you never know.

Chael’s chances at a TKO seem very low given his lack of past TKOs and Silva’s iron chin and general toughness.

Silva’s odds of winning a decision seem very low. Chael is not going to stand with Silva and Silva is not going to be able to keep the fight standing unless he miraculously improves his perpetually mediocre takedown defense. (I don’t see him vastly improving his takedown defense any time soon, but he is a good athlete so maybe he’ll surprise us.) If the fight goes to the ground, which it will unless Silva can hurt and finish Sonnen, Silva has very little hope of sweeping Chael or even getting a stand up. Sonnen despite being in NM’s guard for most of the fight wasn’t warned even once “to keep active”. As a result, once this fight hits the ground, Silva will in all likelihood lose that round.

Silva’s striking is very precise and he’s the best finisher in the game so any small opening could spell doom for Sonnen. I’m favoring Silva 60/40. I’m guessing when the line opens (assuming Silva beat Belfort and doesn’t somehow look bad doing so) Silva’ll be around a 5 to 1 favorite.

by The Darkness on Feb 10, 2010 6:59 PM EST reply actions  

I am going to bring up Silva’s body triangle from the guard. Sonnen was able to posture up and rain down punches, but utilizing a body triangle may not allow Sonnen to posture up. Sonnen can still get strikes in, but not the type that wouldn’t allow a referee break and subsequent standup. Simply put, I feel that if/when Sonnen gets the fight to the floor, unless he gets half-guard or better, I feel that the referee will stand the fight up if Silva utilizes the body triangle.

by chrisbboy82 on Feb 10, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you make a fair point although I disagree.

I think that using the body triangle will not be in Silva’s best interests and generally be ineffective. Although it can be used to control your opponent’s posture and set submissions up, the body triangle is generally just a stall tactic (especially as employed by Silva) since you can’t submit anyone from that position. I think that Sonnen can stay busy enough that even if he gets stuck in his body triangle that he’ll be able to keep the fight on the ground. As a result, the body triangle will ultimately likely do little for Silva but allow Chael to beat on him without having to worry about a submission. Even if you’re stuck in someone’s closed guard, refs don’t seem inclined to stand the fight up if one guy is thrashing around (a la Guida) even if he isn’t accomplishing much.

The body triangle also can be countered with a neck crank. Silva hasn’t fought any wrestlers who he’s used the body triangle against, so it’s unclear whether he’ll be able to hold the position if someone powerful starts cranking on his neck while he’s got the body triangle locked in. In fact I’ve never even seen anyone try to crank his neck when he locked it in. That’s probably because he’s fought mainly bjj guys (who’s first instinct isn’t usually to go for the neck crank for a variety of reasons) and strikers (who generally don’t want to ground and pound him anyway).

In any case, it’s going to be interesting to see if Sonnen can deal with the body triangle, because it’s definitely coming, at least if this fight ever happens.

by The Darkness on Feb 10, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I’ve seen, fighters who were active in an opponent’s guard but not in any type of position to do any real damage do get stood up. It all depends if Sonnen gets to posture up, but if he doesn’t, I can’t see him not getting stood up if he just throws hardly damaging strikes (pretty much, rabbit punches) even with a lot of frequency. Besides the body triangle, I just have to wonder how his long legs will come into play, and Silva has great hips. If Sonnen postures up and stands while raining punches down in Silva’s guard, I have to also bring up Anderson Silva’s upkicks because Silva has some of the best upkicks in the UFC.
As far as the neck crank goes, as far Sonnen is concerned, he hasn’t shown any other type of offense except for ground n pound in his last three victories, so I can’t see him utilizing it if he fights Silva.

by chrisbboy82 on Feb 10, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen Chael use the neck crank either, although I haven’t seen anyone try to put a body triangle on him. The neck crank seems pretty easy to execute even if the guy’s head is sweaty but I’ll admit that I’m just speculating here.

I think that Guida is the perfect example of someone who never tries to pass but appears to be active enough to never have his fights stood up. I think Silva is taking a real gamble if he just plays the let’s hope for a stand up game. I think he’s better off trying to push Chael off him with his feet, but he has a great camp so I’m sure they’ll figure out what works best with him.

Silva does have dangerous up kicks. If Chael postures up, though, as long as keeps his head somewhere over and beyond Andy’s hips it will be very difficult to hit him with an upkick, but again a small mistake can spell doom.

by The Darkness on Feb 11, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Silva hasn’t fought any wrestlers who he’s used the body triangle against

Henderson, of course if he’s considered a wrestler, because it’s not so obvious anymore…

by dancingChicken on Feb 11, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

When did he use it against Hendo? (I don’t mean that in snarky rhetorical way — I actually don’t remember.) I know that Hendo passed his guard (and he only had Silva in his guard in the first round) and that Silva, near the end of the round, recovered his guard. Was it then?

by The Darkness on Feb 11, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

He may have then, but definitely on the ground in the 2nd round. I believe that he used both a front and a back body triangle during that sequence; he definitely sunk in the choke from a body triangle.

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by AJB on Feb 11, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, at the end of the first round. He had it for about 10 seconds, though.

by dancingChicken on Feb 11, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

can opener

Neck cranks are hard to hold on slippery, bald heads. Just sayin’.

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by kenpoboy67 on Feb 11, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow… I can’t wait to see chael burry his head into Anderson’s chest — this’ll be a real barn burner. ; )

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by mma_dude on Feb 10, 2010 7:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

God, can it shut up now? Silva still has to go through Vitor for fuck’s sake. If he’s gonna be running his mouth for months…DNW.

by funkdabootiest on Feb 10, 2010 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

Vitor will lose bad, just like Sonnen will too :p

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by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I’m crazy, but I think Vitor stands a better chance than Chael. I think he has the speed to keep up with him.

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by Neil Manich on Feb 10, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

naw

I just don’t see it, Vitor’s best attributes is what the Spider does best. Although I do agree if Vitor connects with a few shots Anderson will be in trouble, but on paper I just don’t see it.

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by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Granted Vitor is a huge underdog as he should be. But he’s the fastest fighter Anderson has ever gone up against. He won’t be able to do to Vitor what he did to Forrest.

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by Neil Manich on Feb 10, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

time will tell hehe

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by Orcus on Feb 10, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

0.03 seconds to be exact.

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by Ubernoober on Feb 10, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Not crazy

Vitor has been with and beaten much better guys than Chael. And Vitor has actually won fights in less than 15 full minutes, something Chael has never done against a quality opponent.

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by Monte Fisto on Feb 10, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I think Belfort/SIlva would be at least competitive!

All this talk from Sonnen is really just turning me off him any fight he’s in. I mean he’s been dominant in his last fights, but he’s just not exciting and unwilling to take risks to finish fights.

by funkdabootiest on Feb 10, 2010 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

ewps, meant that as a reply to my above comment. Sorry!

by funkdabootiest on Feb 10, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Go Chael! Keep doing your thing.

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by Ubernoober on Feb 10, 2010 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

chael sonnen is not a good fighter he just won by unanimous decision

by amigea_1 on Feb 10, 2010 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

i'll take the bait

Sonnen is an amazing wrestler but I still havent seen the finishing ability that would make me qualify him as a good great fighter

by 20dawkins20 on Feb 10, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It was this type of attitude that led me to write my (poorly received) fanpost (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/2/7/1300071/did-sonnen-do-enough-to-beat-the).

Im not saying its right/wrong/possible/impossible but Sonnen could follow that game plan to a T and still lose a decision. If he (or anyone else here) thinks Sonnen wins those 2nd and 3rd rounds 100% of the time in a title fight against anderson silva they are sorely mistaken. I said it in my fanpost and I’ll say it again… A fighter’s gameplan that is consistently built around going the distance to a decision is a poor gameplan.

by 20dawkins20 on Feb 10, 2010 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

That post sure was a train wreck.

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by Richard Wade on Feb 11, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I find Chael’s honesty here kind of refreshing. Most boring, one-dimensional wrestlers who can’t finish fights at least like to pretend they’re going to try and stop their opponents in pre-fight interviews. Chael comes right out and acknowledges that his path to victory lies in preventing a fight from actually occurring.

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by Monte Fisto on Feb 10, 2010 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

He’s a nobody who humped his way into contention. And he wants us to know he’s gonna try to hump the belt off of Anderson. We’ll all soon forget about him, and his preference for being between a mans legs rather than them between his legs. As if one was less gay than the other.

by MrJobro on Feb 11, 2010 12:16 AM EST reply actions  

well played

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by kenpoboy67 on Feb 11, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

He’s only 5 strike attempts from Anderson Silva away from dying a horrible, painful death

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by mburtoni on Feb 11, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

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