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UFC 124 Preview: Can John Howard Overcome the Power of Thiago Alves?

Alves_howard_mediumOpening up the UFC 124 main card on Saturday night will be a welterweight contest pitting former UFC welterweight contender Thiago Alves (17-7, 9-4 UFC) against well-rounded veteran John Howard (14-5, 4-1 UFC). Both men are coming off losses. Alves most recently dropped an unanimous decision to Jon Fitch at UFC 117. Howard was hurt by wrestler Jake Ellenberger at UFC on Versus II in August, resulting in a doctor's stoppage. Alves has been battling much more relevant competition; he fought Georges St. Pierre for the title in July of last year before taking on Fitch. Injuries have curbed his regular schedule of appearances. He suffered a knee injury and was sidelined due to a malformation in his brain in the lead-up to his UFC 111 showdown with Fitch.

Despite those setbacks, Alves has proven that he's one of the sport's elite welterweights with victories over Josh Koscheck, Matt Hughes, Karo Parisyan, and Chris Lytle. He'll aim to get his career back on track on Saturday night, and while Howard is a bit of a step down from that proven level of competition -- Howard is hoping to carve out a spot for himself in the upper echelon of the division.

Howard had quite the run before losing to Ellenberger. He defeated current UFC fighter Charlie Brenneman at Ring of Combat 21 in September of 2008, then rattled of four straight wins under the UFC banner. Chris Wilson and Tamdan McCrory provided stiff challenges in his early bouts, but he knocked out both Dennis Hallman and Daniel Roberts in his more recent bouts, solidifying him as one of the more exciting welterweights in the division. He ran into one of the tougher wrestlers in the division in Ellenberger at UFC on Versus II, exposing some of the weaknesses that Howard needs to improve upon to become a top flight fighter.

Unfortunately for Howard, those weaknesses are areas in which Alves could take advantage. While Howard is a proven knockout threat on the feet, Alves normally neutralizes his opponent's stand-up game with a heavy barrage of leg kicks. His takedown defense didn't look phenomenal against the likes of Georges St. Pierre and Jon Fitch, but those are two of the top wrestlers in the division. I hold out more hope for him against Howard.

Howard's strategy would be more effective if he tries to fight in the context of an attrition war versus striking with Alves. After all, Alves has had plenty of trouble making the 170 pound weight limit. If he can press the pace and wear down Alves in the first two frames, it may pay dividends in the outcome.

In the end, I have to go with Alves' knockout power on the feet. He has an unpredictable stand-up game that includes all the trimmings: devastating leg kicks, powerful overhands, and the always exciting flying knee strike. His takedown defense is good enough to keep it standing against Howard, and he possesses a ground game that can escape Howard's control from the top. I'll bank on Alves finishing off Howard inside the three round limit.

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Great write-up. I see Doomsday taking it

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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 9, 2010 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

:O

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by TorQus on Dec 9, 2010 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I do hear you S.C

The brothas do tend to look like advertisments for a 1920’s mistrel show with that coloring/shading. But I digress I see Thiago taking it. Hopefully the “Dolce Diet” helped get Alves’ weight down preventing him from cutting a drastic amount. Thus allowing him to perform at a higher level than we saw in that Fitch fight.

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by Ze Pequeno on Dec 9, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Dolce is one of the best

If Alves does what he is told, he will make weight and enter the cage in peak condition at 192+

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by The American Ronin on Dec 9, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasn’t Howards loss to Jake a doctor stoppage?

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by TorQus on Dec 9, 2010 10:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Thank you for the reminder. I have edited the post to reflect that.

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by Leland Roling on Dec 9, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Alves will take it. He doesn’t want 3 losses in a row, regardless if they’re to the number 1 and 2 ww’s. Not to mention, Alves has much better striking than Ellenberger.

I also think Alves will definitely be coming in on weight for this fight.

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by Keren on Dec 9, 2010 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

Thanksto the DolceDiet!

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by TorQus on Dec 9, 2010 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

fact check: john howard wasn’t knocked out. TKO doctor stoppage, swollen eye.

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by slantedwindows on Dec 9, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

wow… i finished reading the article and it’s just… wrong.

john howard isn’t even a grappler, he’s a predominantly muay thai fighter.

everything dana white says is a complete lie

by slantedwindows on Dec 9, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Not true,

Howard’s fairly well-rounded with more submissions than knockouts to his credit. He also held a significant striking advantage against guys like Daniel Roberts and Tamdan McCrory, yet chose to take them down and work on the ground.

I wouldn’t classify him as a “muay thai fighter” at all.

by Scott Haber on Dec 9, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

you can analyze records all you want, but he hasn’t had a submission in 3 years. he also trains out of a gym called “wai kru.”

the article implies says that howard is going to try to take it to the ground, i assure you that’s not true. he’s going to stay on his feet and use his muay thai.

everything dana white says is a complete lie

by slantedwindows on Dec 9, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Apparently, you can’t read at all. And this is the massive problem I have with many of our readers who imply something that simply isn’t true.

Howard’s strategy would be more effective if he tries to fight in the context of an attrition war versus striking with Alves. After all, Alves has had plenty of trouble making the 170 pound weight limit. If he can press the pace and wear down Alves in the first two frames, it may pay dividends in the outcome.

Exactly where do I imply that Howard “is going to try to take it to the ground”. I actually stated that a ground strategy “WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE”. That isn’t saying that Howard has stated it would go to the ground. That is stating that it would be a more effective means to winning the fight.

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by Leland Roling on Dec 9, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

we’ll see what happens tomorrow night.

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by slantedwindows on Dec 10, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

you can analyze records all you want, but he hasn’t had a submission in 3 years.

I didn’t analyze records, I analyzed his UFC fights, in which he opted to go to the ground quite frequently, even when he was facing someone with poor striking. Clearly you don’t know much about Howard’s style.

he also trains out of a gym called "wai kru."

Ah, so because it has an Asian name it must be a muay thai gym…brilliant analysis. You probably didn’t bother to go look up the records of the other Wai Kru fighters, where you’d notice that almost of them have more submission victories than (T)KO victories.

he article implies says that howard is going to try to take it to the ground, i assure you that’s not true.

Thanks for the insider info…how long have you been training with John?

by Scott Haber on Dec 9, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with everything you said...

I do want to point out though that Wai Kru is thai specifically, and is the prefight ritual performed by Nak Muays before they fight.

That said, howard is very game to take this fight on the ground.

Also, just because he represents a gym named Wai Kru, that doesn’t mean it’s his primary gym. I train at 3 seperate gyms, each with a different specialty.

I think when people go into articles and post with intentions to flame, it tends to not go well.

I wish more readers would kindly disagree instead of speaking like elitist.

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by JaeeJaee on Dec 9, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right about Wai Kru...

but the gym itself is very well rounded. No more focus on Muay Thai than on anything else. Just like AKA (American Kickboxing Academy) isn’t really a kickboxing gym.

Great matchup. Should be fireworks.

by POW on Dec 9, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

@scott – i’m at his gym, i dunno, 3/4 days out of the week. he’ll train jj, but he’s pretty much hitting the pads.

jaee – it is his primary gym. he’s there almost every day, training – again, mostly muay thai.

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by slantedwindows on Dec 10, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I read this… and it’s just wrong.

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by Leland Roling on Dec 9, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

hey man, if you’re going to edit an article, at least put a disclaimer that you did.

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by slantedwindows on Dec 9, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

A disclaimer that I corrected the article to state a doctor stoppage over an actual knockout?

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by Leland Roling on Dec 9, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

People forget that Alves stuffed all of Koscheck’s takedowns. Just because he lost to GSP and Fitch shouldn’t mean anyone should count him out.

Howard won’t make it out of the first.

by Newman24 on Dec 9, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

^^THIS^^

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by Ze Pequeno on Dec 9, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

People forget that Koscheck to that fight on 2 WEEKS short notice and at the time he was ONLY training striking and did zero grappling or wrestling sessions.

A in shape fully trained Koscheck will ASS RAPE Alves.

Alves striking is overrated. He’s a decent striker but not great. GSP out stroke him pretty easily and he was also having trouble with Lytle when they fought.

by Pimp_man on Dec 9, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Alves’s striking may be overrated to you, but I’ve seen Howard’s striking, and it’s not that great either. Howard really wings his punches. It’s not like Howard has good wrestling or anything, and I can see Alves throwing leg kicks taking away Howard’s power, and then TKOing or KOing Howard in the later rounds. I have to go with Alves to win this one.

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by chrisbboy82 on Dec 9, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

personally neither if them impress me too much as strikers. They have big power, and I’m sure in the gym they have a ton of knowledge and technique, but the technique isn’t there when they step in the ring.

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by JaeeJaee on Dec 9, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

How many excuses does Kos get for his wrestling? We were told that he wasn’t training it for his Ufc 74 fight with GSP, bit learned a lesson. Then over a year later, he still wasn’t training it, or is it just a convenient excuse?

Alves whooped him, fair and square.

by Hardcharger on Dec 9, 2010 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

People also seem to forget

That for the most part Kos tried to stand and trade with Alves and only started going for sloppy takedowns when he was rocked.

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by Neil Manich on Dec 9, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a TKO

Since always…

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by Drunken cutman on Dec 9, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah exactly!

but in the post it says that Howard got K.od

by Mohammedini Hussein on Dec 9, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I always thought Howard was one of the most overrated guys in the UFC. I felt he lost both the Wilson and McCrory fights and got lucky with the judges. He was losing 14:50 of his fight with Hallman till he got the KO at the end. He did rough up Daniel Roberts, but Ellenberger put it to him. I don’t think Alves is going to have a lot of problems with Doomsday.

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by Tim Burke on Dec 9, 2010 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Howard is a sloppy as hell "muay thai" guy

And I don’t think his wrestling is good enough to keep Alves down.

Howard will try to strike and end up going to sleep.

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by SSreporters on Dec 9, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

didn't Alves say...

the weigh cut before the 2nd Fitch fight was the easiest of his career, and then he missed weight?

I wouldn’t buy into anything he says about weight being on point.

by Discman2 on Dec 9, 2010 1:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

He is working with a top guy now (Mike Dolce)

if he does what he is told, he will make weight and enter the cage at 192+ in peak condition.

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by The American Ronin on Dec 9, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Alvez is going to wear Howard down with leg kicks and knock him out at the end of the second. Book it.

by Confucius on Dec 9, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

It's also worth noting that Howard....

was getting dominate by Dennis Hallman until that hail mary KO in the last 5 seconds of the fight.

by xfreekx on Dec 9, 2010 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

Howard was horrid vs Ellenberger.

He kept coming with the same telegraph 1-2 again and again. He very rarely connected with it and wouldn’t switch it up.

I say Alves takes this easily. Howard would have to have improved far too much than is feasibly possible.

by Cunny on Dec 9, 2010 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

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