Freddie Roach, in an unconventional move, explains exactly how his pupil Georges St. Pierre is going to knockout Josh Koscheck.
"Koscheck jumps in from far away," Roach told FightHubtv.com. "I told (Georges) to not pull away from that and beat that on the counter. I told him, 'I think you'll knock him out with the left hook in that fight.'"
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Please let it be so. Paul Daley deserves to have his left hook KO be outshined within a week.
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Daley may have the best left hook in MMA
and his left hook didn’t drop Kos, even when his defenses were down.
It would be really nice to see though.
Will GSP throw his punch before going for a takedown or after securing it?
I’d say 5 rounds of boring decision though I do hope the ref accidentally pokes Josh Kosch just like Heath Herring got poked in his last fight.
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Only Gsp fight that has been boring was the last one. If he gives Kos why he gave to Fitch, Kos will break.
by pud333 on Dec 5, 2010 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
Super biased GSP fan here. I also think the Hardy fight was the only truly lackluster GSP fight in the last 3 years. His win over Fitch was epic and ridiculous at once; his domination of Penn was beautiful; Alves wasn’t as great as those two, but incredible impressive display of heart and athleticism for all of those haters who question his resolve. Hardy fight was disappointing. When I spoke to GSP recently, though, he brought up the point that nobody would be critical if he had secured that Armbar of that Kimura in rounds 2 and 4 respectively.
Obviously his argument would be stronger if he had delivered, though.
by Steven T. Kelliher on Dec 5, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
The Hardy fight was the first time I was disappointed in GSP. He forsook his standup and GnP to go submission hunting. I really think he could have had a better shot at subbing Hardy if he had used his GnP to soften him up. But whatever. He won anyway.
by pud333 on Dec 6, 2010 12:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You and Greg Jackson both
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When I spoke to GSP recently, though, he brought up the point that nobody would be critical if he had secured that Armbar of that Kimura in rounds 2 and 4 respectively
I love GSP, but that’s like saying Hardy could have KO’d him if he just punched harder. All that matters to a lot of fans is he didn’t get the finish.
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Agreed about the sub attempts
Hey, unlike Fitch, GSP went hard for the sub. If Hardy knew the meaning of “tap” no one would have complained.
BTW - the Armbar attempt was in Round 1
Just to be that guy who has to fact check everything ;-)
I doubt it
GSP could not break Dan Hardy. Depends how you define breaking. If you mean winning unanimous decision, I guess. He did not break Fitch, though mauled him. Did not break Alves, though dominated him. Did not break Hardy, though destroyed him. To me, breaking means getting knocked out like Scott Smith was last night.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 5, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well we can all agree that he broke Penn. And pud333 didn’t say he broke Fitch, he said if he does to Koscheck what he did to Fitch then Koscheck will break, which I completely agree with.
by Steven T. Kelliher on Dec 5, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Do I think GSP is capable of breaking Kosh? Yes.
Do I think he will? Probably not. I think he will win the first couple of rounds easily and then cruise from there. Maybe 5-0 or 4-1 in total. Josh is not going to beat GSP unless he pulls a Matt Serra or something.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 5, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know. Alves did not look like he wanted to be there after round three. GSP is like quicksand. He works away at you and you can’t escape. Eventually your will is taken away. GSP beat Alves while he himself was injured. He neutralized Alves’ standup with his takedowns and also repeatedly beat him in the pocket when they did exchange on the feet. Alves saw no way to win.
by pud333 on Dec 6, 2010 12:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He didn't break Hardy or Fitch
But he broke Alves.
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Say what you want about his style
Guy is pure grit and heart.
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by sitnam90 on Dec 6, 2010 2:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
IIRC
One of the concerns going into the Fitch fight was that GSP would be unable to finish him striking, get frustrated and try something foolish.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 6, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
A KO is not breaking IMO
Smith, despite being overmatched, was still trying to be the gritty fighter he has been known to be. Alves, however, lost all fire in that fight. After round 3 he wasn’t the same Pitbull who KO’d Hughes and Parysian. Gerald Harris’ last loss is an example of being broken. It was clear he didn’t want anything to do with Falcao at the end of the fight
Now if Daley had abused Smith for a entire round, and Smith came out tentative and scared before a KO, then that’s a breaking punctuated by a KO.
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by sitnam90 on Dec 6, 2010 2:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly. It doesn't even have to take a round. See A Silva vs Griffin.
Quickest breaking of will I’ve seen. You could tell Forrest had given up when Silva taunts him like “Come on, fight me!” and Forrest just throws his hands up like “I’m trying!”
Then he got smashed and quit outright. Then he ran away from the cage in shame. That is the pure destruction of another’s will. Not just simply finishing them.
How did Daley break Smith? Even as he was rocked and getting destroyed Smith still came forward. His lights got put out but if they hadn’t he still would have been trying to knock Paul Daley out with all his heart. Is it even possible to break Smith?
To me breaking would be the guy giving up or just doing enough to get by, looking like he wants to be anywhere but in the cage at that moment.
Yeah, becuase it’s totally like GSP has a history of being a boring fighter, rather then an excitingly dynamic athlete and mixed martial artist.
It’s funny, becuase lots of probably actually think this.
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by Goonisis on Dec 5, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I like how you put it as if believing GSP being boring is
like believing green men from planet Nabu are among us. Get real man. I did not criticize Jorge for being not a good mixed martial artist. He is great. I am just saying he is playing it safe in his last couple of fights. Don’t be too defensive
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 6, 2010 6:46 AM EST up reply actions
He didn’t play it safe in the Alves fight, so its one fight where he’s played it safe. Not really a trend or a mountain of evidence to criticize.
by Hardcharger on Dec 6, 2010 9:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
While I believe GSP could get the KO...
I also don’t see that happening, I sadly also see a 5 round decision. Though, having this low expectation of GSP is a good thing, if he knocks out Kos it’ll be great and unexpected.
I could see GSP getting the TKO if he tries the left hook
Remember that uppercut-left hook combination Paulo Thiago threw? He drilled specifically to counter Koscheck’s bread-and-butter punch, the lunging overhand right. If Saturday’s fight fight involves any striking from Kos, it will almost certainly include that punch, and GSP is more than smart enough to make him pay for throwing it.
Well if Kos is to be believed
Then he is gonna force that nerdy, froggy frenchie to stand with him so he can light his ass up (in preparation for the motorboating I presume)
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by sitnam90 on Dec 6, 2010 2:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t agree. The style of his opponent dictates how Georges fights. Against Kos, much like Fitch, a good wrestler who can probably stuff a few of the takedowns, Georges will beat the hell out of Kos on the feet, mix a few takedowns with ground and pound, and choke Kos out within 4 rounds. Koscheck’s standup has improved, but it’s still not that good, though he does have knockout power. I think Josh is probably overconfident in his ability to stand with Georges, and once Georges owns him there, Josh will have nowhere to go but to try to take GSP down, and he’ll get owned in the clinch and on the ground as well. I’m excited for this one. Perfect opponent for Georges to show the full range of his skills, and I think Josh is going to get embarrassed and finished.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Dec 6, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
I think Kos suspects GSP to try to take him down and control him immediately, and I think GSP will work him over on the feet, wear him down and then mix in takedowns.
Kos is the top WW most capable of beating GSP right now, but I don’t see him having the fight IQ to do it.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 6, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
It would be hilarious if training with Freddy Roach is just a smokescreen for GSP planning to outwrestle Koscheck, but the dude has made some ridiculously accurate predictions within the past year.
I could see GSP wrestling with Kos for a round or two, but ultimately I do think he wants to contest this one on the feet. Just a feeling.
by Steven T. Kelliher on Dec 5, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
3:41 ?
I admire your confidence, but I doubt that result.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 5, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Someone remember this comment and who posted it.
by Steven T. Kelliher on Dec 5, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I will remember it.
and if it happens … I CALL FIX
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 5, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
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Has Gsp ever Koed anyone in the UFC with a punch?
I know he Koed Hughes with a kick, but what about a punch. I mean a real Ko, like put them to sleep .
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Never has.
All we’re saying is with GSP’s poise and Kos’s very open, wild, wingy Kickboxing style…not as bad as Brookins, but still, he has a real chance of leveling him.
by Steven T. Kelliher on Dec 5, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think he is gonna drop him like he did Fitch
But he will pound him out or tap him afterwards
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 6, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I just went and re-watched it.That was a legit ass tko from punches.
But i meant like “soul theft Ko”. I am not saying he wont Ko Kos. I was just wondering if he has ever one punched anyone.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 6, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
No one punch KO's
But he has had a good share of Knockdowns throughout his UFC career.
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by sitnam90 on Dec 6, 2010 1:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i dont know if GSP has the power in his hands to ko someone on the feet
he definately can stun them and finish on the ground, but i dont know if he can pull off a one punch ko like everything from SF yesterday
i expect complete domination and a finish from GSP, and i hope roach is right. if GSP starts displaying one punch ko power he’ll be firmly planted as the great mixed martial artist of all time
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Roach has knack for accurately predicting a fight.
But this is MMA and not boxing.
Plus Roach was only one of GSP's many trainers, training him in one aspect of fighting.
Roach has no idea of what he will decide to incorporate because he hasn’t seen GSP’s entire training camp.
You are a legend Mr. Roach but what you say is very unlikely
GSP will brutalize him on the ground, but he doesn’t really take many risks on his feet nowadays so I don’t see this happening. He’s never really had one punch fight-ending power, plus his refusal to engage in slugfests all tell me that this has very little chance of happening Mr. Roach. I’m putting my money on the GSP specialty, one-sided 5-rounder.
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Except much like in the Fitch fight
He has a far greater advantage on the feet than on the ground, at least until he wears Kos down.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 6, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
well i'd love to see that happen
..cause not everybody loves kos!
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Koscheck has never actually beaten a competent striker on the feet.
Look at everyone he’s KOd (Diego, Hazelett, Yoshida, Trigg) and they’re all sub-par strikers. Hazelett was even tagging Josh in that fight and he’s nowhere near as good as GSP standing. Koscheck leaves himself too wide open with his offensive output, particularly that overhand right he wings. If Paulo Thiago, who always looks stiff to me, can KO him, then GSP can too. Plus GSP was lighting him up standing last time around.
It'll be really interesting to see how Koscheck approaches this fight
Whether he’ll try to go toe-to-toe with GSP in standup or just try for takedowns and engage grappling. If he’s retained enough knowledge from his training with Ben Askren he could potentially find an advantage in creating scrambles during ground grappling and end up controlling GSP — provided that GSP doesn’t just spring back to his feet the second there’s a bit of space.
Freddy Roach is awesome
And I think he’s spot on with his analysis.
Kos’ winging style will let Georges pick him apart from range, wouldn’t surprise me at all if GSP rocked Koscheck a couple of times in the course of their fight.
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